tpia@:


that's interesting, is this Ado related to Egbado, not too familiar with the area.

the thing with ancient yoruba is the records are very deep and mostly hidden.

Tony Spike:

There were three generations of Sumerian/Akkadian/Assyrian kings with the name SARGON: Sargon the Great (2334 BC-2279 BC), Sargon I or Sharru-Ken (1920 BC - 1881 BC) and Sargon II or Sarru-ukin (722 BC - 705BC). Of the three dynasties, I would place my bet on Sargon II as SANGO. This fits into the time frame of 'Iwo Eleru' you stated above. It was during the time of Sargon II's descendants that Nineveh (Ile-Ife ?) fell and was destroyed by the Babylonians. Nineveh was said to have housed a lot of Hebrews, from the Northern Kingdom of Israel, in captivity. It is said that near the time of the Assyrian kingdom's collapse, an alliance was struck with the Egyptian army. Unfortunately, the Assyrian and Egyptian armies were driven Southwards into Africa (Sudan?) In their fatal war with Babylon. Did you know that Asshur was the name of the country of the Assyrians? Today it is corrupted as HAUSA. The word Sarru-u-Kin (Sargon's other name) is a title in Hausaland today known as Sarkin (or Seriki in Yoruba).

Alagba Negro could give an extra hand to this Hausa side of history. Unfortunately, it is said that the Fulani jihads in the 18th century have suppressed a lot of Hausa history. This might have been the best clue we have to help us unravel some of Yoruba histories since Oyo Kingdom was proximate to theirs. Even at that, the Yoruba history is very rich with many clues even in city names e.g. Ile-Ife, Igboho, Igbo-ora, Ila-Oragun e.t.c.

I personally have a belief that our Yoruba ancestors might have had links with the famous religious cult of HORUS in Egypt because a lot of religious words in our language were developed from there (Ori, Oro, Ora, Oriki, Orisha e.t.c.). I'll stop here now, sir...

prexios:

You are on the right part that Yoruba have links with all this places. i believe as much. but where i may digress is that we can not really seek deep into the more obscure to find out about the Yoruba history. i will like you to crosscheck this passage in the holy scripture:


"I will also appoint a place for My people Israel and will plant them, that they may live in their own place and not be disturbed again, nor will the wicked afflict them any more as formerly, —NASB


i think when the yoruba says Daodu, we agree to some extent that is has dto do with David. then he reigned almost at the time of the Iwo Eleru. granted. Daodu means Da[make] Odu[ oduduwa]. if our claims were right, Daoudu is the man who make Oduduwa. that is, we might be close to the players who authorised the foundation of Yoruba. i am given my own thesis for free here. i do not really know how long i will like to go. But you have everything i know already. nothing more to hide.

prexios:

Yes, it is. but it helps that we see the Ado as the Ado invoke everywhere in Yorubaland. the reason is, it help us to trail the path of the ancestors from the north to Onitsha- Ado to Edo, Ado Ekiti, Akure Ado-Odo and to Lagos where he was seen as the first king of the island and so fort. the individual is the same, the people were so very industrious at that ancient time.

tpia@:


Is there an edo link with ado, as in is ado linked to what is now known today as edo.

Tony Spike:

Ado-Ekiti, as well as many Ekiti towns, was a vassal territory of the Bini Kingdom for a long time. The Bini empire spread from Akoko to Owo and then some parts of Ekiti. I'm always fascinated to see the similarities in the style of singing and dancing of the Ekitis. It tells us that a lot of cultural assimilation of the Bini ways did occur.

Infact, I think Edo-Ondo-Ado was a name progression indicating the influence of the Bini kingdom in ancient times.

PhysicsQED:

I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but I think I should comment on just this one thing. The 'Ado' in Ado-Ekiti is probably not a version of the name Edo (Bini). It probably has some other meaning in the Yoruba spoken in that area.

There is a claim of a connection with Benin in their traditions, but that connection isn't about Ado being founded as a territory of the Benin kingdom or anything. This claim of a slight connection with Benin is about an era before Benin's expansion into that area.

The name itself (Ado-Ekiti) probably preceded any Benin expansion into Ekiti. The book Kingdoms of the Yoruba by Robert Smith gives a short summary of the historical traditions of the people of Ado (as given by an indigenous historian of Ado) in part 1 of that book.

Tony Spike:

David = Daud = Duat = Dud
This actually makes sense. I actually made this proposal in your "Jibiti - Egypt" thread but pyguru hid my three attempts to post and banned me. I consequently lost hope on posting that. You see, the Yoruba language has undergone lots of evolution. The pro-Nilotic influence on our language absorbed many words with Canaanite/Egyptian origin.
One way of unravelling some hidden words is by removing the preceding O or A letters. These letters (O and A) originated from our ancestors' stay in ancient Sudan (Nubia) as far back as almost 3000 yrs ago.

tpia@:


Is there an edo link with ado, as in is ado linked to what is now known today as edo.

prexios:

Well, you have a dept of research.
Ado in all Yoruba tradition remains Ado, irrespective of what anyone of us think. Ado was an explorer of the ancient Yoruba who allocate places for people. Odu Ose, which treatise about Oba Ado gave us an excerpt he gave in celebration of his team thus:

Awa donile,
Aoku mo,
Awa dopitan ile.
Awa donile bi Ado,
Adigba Oke,
A legboingboin.

In this particular passage, ifa was speaking for his team member because he was their spokesperson [enu-owa: mouthpiece of the seekers]. "Aoku mo" means "we are no longer presumed dead." that is, they were involved in a deadly exploration of which their people thought they wont make it alive.

Then, coming to this point you see Akure, which speaks about aku-re [we shall die snap! meaning the notion that we shall die has snapped]the same notion is expressed in Ikare [iku-are:death will snap]. Now in my own community, when someone perplex you, the next thing you say is "wori-woku" [you then Add the phrase "orisha Ado," if you want to make complete statement].

If you isolate wori, you can stabilize it as iwori, that is a title of the origin of Ifa, given as "iwori-meji", if you however stabilize it with vowel sound 'A', you have Awori. Wori in old Yoruba is "view of discovery," woku is "view of death." since Ado was a mouthpiece for the search party of the ancient Yoruba settlers, he was saying that his team are in the exploration for discovery or for [their] destruction. That sort of perplex the settlers that the exploration has become a do or die affair (apology to OBJ)

Now when they came to the west coast, they changed their slogan, and that permeated place names along their path, hence he said "adigba oke" we have become 200 high-places, ale gboin-gboin, we are secured for certain. Ado is the same person in Yoruba history, if we seek deep, we find the secret, but if we stay at the surface we find common variants that is so speculative you do not know what to believe.

Back to Ado Ekiti, it simply mean that "Ado is no shaking", or "Ado wont get pushed". And if Ekiti is highland or okiti, it harmonized with the saying "adigba oke" Oke is anothe variant of okiti, as the Yoruba would say, okiti ogan-the ant hill.

Tony Spike:

"Ado-Ekiti, as well as many Ekiti towns, was a vassal territory of the Bini Kingdom for a long time. The Bini empire spread from Akoko to Owo and then some parts of Ekiti. I'm always fascinated to see the similarities in the style of singing and dancing of the Ekitis. It tells us that a lot of cultural assimilation of the Bini ways did occur.

Infact, I think Edo-Ondo-Ado was a name progression indicating the influence of the Bini kingdom in ancient times."

i concur, but with this

Ado is the one who says "Bini" that is, "Ibini" that is: "this is it!" or "here is the place." Benin may have been the explorers way of saying "eureka", we found it at at last. But the name does not change as the pilgrims progress.

Meanwhile, bini in Ifa is the curse or retributions that the priest of the Yoruba preferred against the leadership of the Yoruba for forsaking the fellowship of their brethren, it says "Oun tii bini a maa bini, ewo (the scroll, the law) asi berewo: what will query will query, the law will recompense.

It is not by accident then that Yoruba was divided into pieces too by the colonial authorities and countless dialects, inclusive of Ogu, where some missing links were trapped. the place also came to be called Benin republic. the ancient prophets who were annoyed with the Yoruba project sees the young men as breaking the law for their migration.

PhysicsQED:


The place called "Ado-Ekiti" is just the main town of Ado, which was a small kingdom in the Ekiti area in the past. The name of the actual place was just Ado. I think Ekiti in Ado-Ekiti is a qualifier to indicate location, not part of a phrase, but that's just my guess. Also, I think we were talking about different things.

PhysicsQED:


I was talking about a group/kingdom name, while you seem to be talking about a possibly mythological figure. While I haven't heard of this "Ado" figure that you believe existed, it is of course possible that he may have existed but is now long forgotten. Anyway, your post was interesting nevertheless.

PhysicsQED: I was saying that Ekiti in "Ado-Ekiti" probably indicates location, rather than completing a phrase - the same way that "Odo" in Ado-Odo probably refers to the river 'Odo' (a.k.a. the river Yewa). I wasn't saying the association of the two words was 'by accident.' But I did say that that was my guess - your own theory about 'Ado' could be true instead.

As for the person Ado, the intended meaning of 'Oba Ado' does strike me as ambiguous, but if one takes it to mean what you take it to mean, then I just said that he is possibly mythological - not that he probably or most likely was mythological. I also said that it's possible that he was real but is now long forgotten. So I wasn't making a declaration either way about what is "fact" vs. what is "myth." All history is a mixture of both.

MetaPhysical: Very deep and insightful contributions. I am loving it.

There is a lot in here to provoke the brain. On the topic of Ado and all its variants, I made an observation. The letter D seem to me, at its minimal, to be an anchor or interface between two forces. Consider the Yoruba root sounds DA, DI, DE, DO, DU. Also AD, ID, ED, OD, UD.

Here D acts as a bridge interfacing the authority of creation with the functional manifest and producing a sense of FOUNDING, ORIGIN, FIRST-TO-BE, SETTLEMENT, ORDER and so on.

Ada
Adi
Ade
Ado
Adu
Ida
Idi
Ide
Ido
Idu
Eda
Edi
Ede
Edo
Edu
Oda
Odi
Ode
Odo
Odu
Uda
Udi
Ude
Udo
Udu.

tpia@:
^seriously, your posts are rather deep, i dont even know what to say.

MetaPhysical: Very deep and insightful contributions. I am loving it.

There is a lot in here to provoke the brain. On the topic of Ado and all its variants, I made an observation. The letter D seem to me, at its minimal, to be an anchor or interface between two forces. Consider the Yoruba root sounds DA, DI, DE, DO, DU. Also AD, ID, ED, OD, UD.

Here D acts as a bridge interfacing the authority of creation with the functional manifest and producing a sense of FOUNDING, ORIGIN, FIRST-TO-BE, SETTLEMENT, ORDER and so on.

Ada
Adi
Ade
Ado
Adu
Ida
Idi
Ide
Ido
Idu
Eda
Edi
Ede
Edo
Edu
Oda
Odi
Ode
Odo
Odu
Uda
Udi
Ude
Udo
Udu.

amor4ce: Tony Spike, I forwarded an email about those word comparisons to the email address that you listed. Did you get it?

tpia@:
^seriously, your posts are rather deep, i dont even know what to say.

Tony Spike:

David = Daud = Duat = Dud
This actually makes sense. I actually made this proposal in your "Jibiti - Egypt" thread but pyguru hid my three attempts to post and banned me. I consequently lost hope on posting that. You see, the Yoruba language has undergone lots of evolution. The pro-Nilotic influence on our language absorbed many words with Canaanite/Egyptian origin.
One way of unravelling some hidden words is by removing the preceding O or A letters. These letters (O and A) originated from our ancestors' stay in ancient Sudan (Nubia) as far back as almost 3000 yrs ago.

MetaPhysical: Thank you guys for your responses.

I have a picture in my mind, of a matrix! This matrix can feature in the following formats:
-------------------------------
A
---
1. Audible sound, as in "ra"
2. Inaudible sound, as in "r"

Where "r" is infinitely undefined, emanating as an energy and having the defined properties of "ra", "re", "ri", "ro", "ru", and their higher attachments, ati bebe lo...
--------------------------------
B
---
1. Visible light, as in "yi"
2. Invisible light, as in "y"

Its properties will be "ya", "ye", "yi", "yo", "yu", ati bebe lo...
--------------------------------

Imagine that these properties can be calibrated.

Therefore, the effect of facing Eastward and chanting ya, ya, ya....a thousand times produces a particular spectrum of visible light.

When you face Westward and chant ya, ya, ya...a thousand times you get a different spectrum.

You can do these for North facing and South facing and tabulate the results.


For sound properties, you stand in a stream, lake, river, sea or even ocean, and chant ra, ra, ra...thousand times.

Build a fire and as it sparks and crackles, chant ra....thousand times.

Sit in the forest or on a mountain and chant ra...thousand times.

Stand in the wind and chant ra...thousand times.

At the end of these practices you would begin to uncover the Yoruba crypt and the esoteric meanings behind words such as Ado, Idu, Edu, Odu, and so on and so forth and the science our ancestors applied in locating cities and shrines on the axis of earth's magnetic lines.

MetaPhysical: Very deep and insightful contributions. I am loving it.

There is a lot in here to provoke the brain. On the topic of Ado and all its variants, I made an observation. The letter D seem to me, at its minimal, to be an anchor or interface between two forces. Consider the Yoruba root sounds DA, DI, DE, DO, DU. Also AD, ID, ED, OD, UD.

Here D acts as a bridge interfacing the authority of creation with the functional manifest and producing a sense of FOUNDING, ORIGIN, FIRST-TO-BE, SETTLEMENT, ORDER and so on.

Ada
Adi
Ade
Ado
Adu
Ida
Idi
Ide
Ido
Idu
Eda
Edi
Ede
Edo
Edu
Oda
Odi
Ode
Odo
Odu
Uda
Udi
Ude
Udo
Udu.

amor4ce: i think it is best to start from here as a sort of nairaland collaborative project with the aim of producing an encyclopaedic dictionary of yoruba monosyllables and associated vowel prefixes aka stabilizers . i have been wondering if there is any such book with which i could learn the language better. from there the deep aspects of the monosyllables will be revealed to the learner as the oluwa deems fit and ready.

amor4ce: Does "ya" also have anything to do with "intervention"?

prexios:

Well i know as the source of this thought or idea, this might be very easy and the result spontaneous for you. But what do you think could be the repercussion for someone less virtuous in this esoteric respect that might get hook to this imagination from the face value of it? You don't know. It is the same beloved illumination that destroy the ant.


If i must do what you told me, i will end up with Eckankar or something else. "he that love gold will not be satisfied with gold" i will start looking for "what i don't know, and what i don't know will know me, yet in time, i wont know anything anymore, even what i know will be taken away from me" i will start well and end in the well. i will be deluded. i know my frame, i know what i am doing.

While i do not believe in esoteric secrets other than open secrets such as readily available Odu-ifa, oriki and insight from peoples names, I do go a long way to exercise care and patience for the sake of other individuals that may not be presently as deep in interpreting oral tradition as i am.

My talent that i have engaged this far is "discerning spirit" or "gift of word interpretations". i engage Yoruba and English vocabularies, and it worked. if it worked for me, it can work for anyone that can exercise patience. genius is eternal patience. wanting it now from supernatural is engaging the wrong formula. i don't like short cut, ready made answers from any source. it is escapology.

My dept of tradition is not because i am an occultist. I AM NOT. my angle is historical on Yoruba oral traditions. Yoruba traditions are not occultist traditions, but it may have been hijacked by practices that points to occult. the practitioners are Yoruba anyway. i am a bona fide traditional scholar born, i am from the house that should be interested in Yoruba tradition.

I wont go esoteric to get information, i will sleep and wake up fresh sometimes and my mind will just remember a Yoruba word, then i will interpret it in ENGLISH. once i am convince i have entertain all possible shades of such words without bias to any shade, i assume it as fact.


Yes, it may be bias writing Yoruba history with a long pole, out of tradition. But it is as bias as this writing Yoruba history as vanguard of the occult. Esoteric? No. If you ponder deep enough, you will find all you need with your God given angel.

Do not end in secret society because of your talent, whereby you will have to nurse conscientious issues and justify that as having power. i don't want strange power. my life is precious enough to me and am grateful to The Giver, i want to use my life to add light to dark areas, not to take children of God into the dark and keep them there as undercover priest.

I am not going to lead anyone astray.

Jeremiah 15:19 NLT

New Living Translation

The LORD replied, "If you return to me, I will restore you so you can continue to serve me. If you speak words that are worthy, you will be my spokesman. You are to influence them; do not let them influence you!