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Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by benalvino(m): 2:36pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
hisblud: cor 1:14 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, [b]but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[c] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified. the bold is the key... Now he says speak not pray... i am repeating again... someone speaking to a group of people... he is not praying to them but addressing them like the pastor address the church. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by benalvino(m): 2:39pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
FrostyZonn: Speaking in tongues stimulates faith and helps us learn how to trust God more fully. if speaking in tongue like paul speaking in another language like french and the holy spirit directs it i will understand... but if speaking in tongues is the non sense people do in church today... then nope... God cannot direct you to pray to him. Did Jesus speak in tongues when praying to the father? |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by kimco(m): 2:42pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
FrostyZonn: Speaking in tongues stimulates faith and helps us learn how to trust God more fully.The problem is that the words we speak might not be our own, since God is the one doing the prayer himself, according to some posters here. eplain dat I jux wanna learn. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Nobody: 2:44pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
benalvino: And how did you came to the conclusion that they are speaking "nonsense"? Certainly the holy spirit doesn't thinks so, and it takes a high evolved level of understanding that can only be achieved by faith to comprehend the significance of speaking in tongues. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by benalvino(m): 3:04pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
FrostyZonn: since when kikikikikakakakakokokokopapapapalalalala you see in church is not nonsense? how can you say you are praying to God when you dont know what you are praying to God? was the corinthians 1:14 talking about praying or communicating to the church? this is the thing you people dont understand... did Jesus, Abraham, Moses ever speak in tongues while praying? or since God talk to Abraham and adam, moses directly was he doing kikikikikakakakkaakookokokok or he was speaking their normal hebrew? in John 3:16 did he use kikikikikakakakaaka to say this is my beloved son? or did he speak their normal Greek. you guys just take verse out of context and build doctrine on it... I use to believe it.. studying the bible shows me its madness... I can speak that tongue those pastor speak without the gift as they say... cause such thing don't exist |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by FearGodAndLive: 3:14pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
kimco:Not to blindly follow. You get me wrong.. Hebrews 11 1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for. 3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. 4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. 5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. Our assurance comes from the Word of God. The Holy Spirit helps us to understand the Word as we make efforts to study it. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Nobody: 3:26pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
benalvino: To each his own. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by benalvino(m): 3:47pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
FrostyZonn: yeah... |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Nobody: 5:35pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
benalvino: would you care to take a verse by verse of 1 cor 14 so we can understand it in its context... NKJV and Strong concordance .. do you agree so that we might enlighten ourselves? |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Somethingelse: 5:53pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
There is nothing like speaking in tough now because Jesus Christ came and died for us so three is no tongs only exercise faith in Christ ransom sacrifice |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by benalvino(m): 5:55pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
hisblud: it has been explained countless times... If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. (1 Cor 14:27-28) speaking in tongues the way you see it in church is fake period. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by benalvino(m): 5:56pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
Somethingelse: There is nothing like speaking in tough now because Jesus Christ came and died for us so three is no tongs only exercise faith in Christ ransom sacrifice you see madness in church... |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Nobody: 6:04pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
Somethingelse: There is nothing like speaking in tough now because Jesus Christ came and died for us so three is no tongs only exercise faith in Christ ransom sacrifice Wow, some niggaz be trippin... |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Nobody: 6:27pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
benalvino: your opinion or bible opinion? |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by FearGodAndLive: 8:13am On Jul 25, 2013 |
Somethingelse: There is nothing like speaking in tough now because Jesus Christ came and died for us so three is no tongs only exercise faith in Christ ransom sacrifice Speaking in tongues is biblical. But people, thoug sincere in their purpose, have mistaken this for speaking gibberish. Like 1 Corinthians clearly states, every language has a meaning, there should be an interpreter for it to edify the church. If it doesn't edify the church but the person's 'spirito level' to use my Scripture Union lingua, then it can as well be chucked out as gibberish. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Nobody: 4:23pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
@ben and feargod No one feels like taking verse by verse of 1 cor 14? |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by benalvino(m): 5:06pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
hisblud: @ben and feargod We have already done it. Plus the last verse I quote about they should keep quiet if no one is there to interprete it. But you keep ignoring it. Ok you take it verse by verse to verse 20 |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Nobody: 5:09pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
benalvino: Ok ben, should we start from verse one then... |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Emusan(m): 8:36pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
benalvino: Ben just one question for you, have you ever received Holyghost baptism? |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by benalvino(m): 8:51pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
[quote author=Emusan] Ben just one question for you, have you ever received Holyghost baptism?[/quote] I don't understand what you mean by holyghost baptism... Sir But about the gift of the tongue... It simply means gift of languages for communication between 2 people.it is never said to be used in the sense of praying to God |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Emusan(m): 8:58pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
benalvino: I mean when the spirit of God come upon you. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by FearGodAndLive: 10:36am On Jul 26, 2013 |
Emusan:The Spirit of God is upon all his children. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Emusan(m): 2:24pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
FearGodAndLive: Who are the children of God? Why do christian need Holyghost baptisn? |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by benalvino(m): 4:37pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
if you really want to know the truth https://www.nairaland.com/1373638/leave-church-speaks-tongues-gibberish#17041458 well explained.. hisblud it will help you understand... |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Nobody: 5:24pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
benalvino: if you really want to know the truth its a monologue and am inviting you for a dialogue, would you be willing to dialogue? |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by kimco(m): 9:16pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
FearGodAndLive:your explanation failed to account for the context in which you made that statement |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by FearGodAndLive: 3:06am On Aug 01, 2013 |
kimco:Sorry, I didn't quite get you.. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Ken4Christ: 10:56am On Aug 01, 2013 |
Nothing is compulsory in this life. The life you live is a function of choice. You can make e good choice or a bad choice depending on the information at your disposal. University education is good but it is not compulsory. Heaven is real but lots of folks will not go because they have made their choice to go the other way - Hell. If you want to have a fulfilled and productive Christian life, you should take advantage of the gift of tongues. It is the physical sign that follows the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Born again experience without the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a very shallow experience. The Bible likens it to a well of water. "But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." (John 4:14) The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a much deeper experience. It is likened to rivers of living water. "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) (John 7:38-39) The other point is this - After you are born again, your salvation needs to be sealed. And the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the seal of your salvation. "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (Ephesians 1:13). Paul said the same thing in the book of Corinthian - "Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. (2 Corinthians 1:22) If you study the book of Acts carefully, you will notice that whenever people give their lives to Christ, the first thing the Apostle do is to immediately minister the Holy Ghost to them. "Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." (Acts 8:14-17) "And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." (Acts 19:1-6) There is no way you can serve God effectively without the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Jesus himself did not start his earthly ministry until he was filed with the Holy Spirit. The early disciples where told not to go anywhere until they receive the Holy Spirit. Why do you think you can serve God without the Holy Spirit? The gift is for everyone that believes. "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues." (Mark 16:17) "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." (Acts 2:38-39) Jesus called it a good gift, "If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? {offer: Gr. give} If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:11-13) If you want to know more on this subject, send your e-mail to my mail box - kenmacaulaylive@gmailcom. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by being(m): 10:53pm On Aug 03, 2013 |
Joagbaje in my opinion gave a very good answer. It's not compulsory. U'll get to heaven without it. However, u'll b missin a lot spiritually without it. It's for every believer. It edifies(builds up). So just enjoy it- for several minutes, hours. |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by ajayikayod: 7:44pm On Oct 19, 2013 |
benalvino: Bro, I came across ds thread and i wonder if i could ask u some questions for clarity of wat u posted. U said 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. Pls if d man who speaks in tongues is about speaking a foreign language to d church (Ijaw to US), wat language exactly is d same man speaking whn prophesying? Also does dt means everytime we communicate (eg in English) in UK churches, we ar prophesying, since we d audience can here d preacher? |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Nobody: 11:08am On Oct 20, 2013 |
It is not compulsory not every1 can do dat and if you speak in tongues some1 can interpret wat u said. Go back nd read wen d disciples locked demselves in a room. Just dat dis days everyone believes dat if u don't speak in tongues or fall down during anointing it means u are not on d anointed. I watch foreign churches and I don't see d pastors speak in tongues |
Re: Is Speaking In Tongues Compulsory? by Nobody: 11:22am On Oct 20, 2013 |
Most people do not really understand that there are really two forms to speaking in tongues.They think what obtains in most pentecostal churches today is similar to the events of the day of pentecost,this can not be farther from the truth.Speaking in tongues in reality could be classified into two main groups namely Xenoglossia and Glossolalia. What is Xenoglossia? This is used to describe what happened on the day of pentecost where someone is able to speak a language he had not learned before and is understood by users of that language.it is like an igbo man with no prior knowlege of yoruba suddenly preaching to a yoruba man in his native yoruba dialect.Xenoglossia can hardly be faked and is a very rare phenomenom and only very few cases have been observed in christendom over the centuries. Glossolalia is another term which is used to decribe what st paul wrote about in 1 corinthians 12-14.People under the influenve of the holy spirit are made to speak heavenly languages or the language of angels not normally discernible to humans.It can easily be faked as the languages are not normally discernible to humans and as such except you are gifted you will not be able to discern if a person is faking it. Glossolalia which the scripture clearly describes as an inferior gift to prophecy and teaching has been so flatly abused in our present generation. It is no longer practised as directed by the scriptures(maximum of three people in a church and one after another and if no interpreter exists the person should shut up) Nowadays the mad house described by paul in our churches are what is obtainanble in most of pentecostal churches.People now do it for show,at times more than 100 people at a time.These churches now impress upon their members to compulsorily speak in tongues and as a result most of them fake it so as not to appear as if there are the only 'sinners' in the midst of 'holy people'. I think its high time these churches retraces their steps and use these gifts as directed by scriptures in the 1st book of corinthians. https://www.nairaland.com/1416521/speaking-tongues-xenoglossia-vs-glossolalia 2 Likes |
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