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Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by gawgeousnezz(f): 12:22pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Reference:thanks for the correction |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by Nobody: 12:23pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Jesus Christ was not speaking Parables when he said "You must be born again" to see the Kingdom of God. There is no complex word there, but most Christians search for meanings of plain word all in an attempt to confuse others. Humans in the generation of Jesus were incapable of seeing the kingdom of God, and needed to be re-born again and again to a state of refinement which most people havent still attended yet. There are few people who have attended the Conscious of Christ, one of the was Paul, the former Saul, the persecutor. In modern times as at year 2000, there were only 6 people on Earth that attended the conscious capable of seeing the Kingdom of God, including on man from Africa, Cross Rivers State to be precise. To be born again, means to be reincarnated after a particular life time until one attains perfection and exits the wheel of 84 and become an angel, a guiding spirit and the way-shower. This is a painstaking research as practical chela of over 20yrs. |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by nnadychuks(m): 12:23pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
If you people don't repent you don't wish to go to heaven, repent now, we don't know when Jesus christ will come, he has endured but the world is not listening to his word, we are not reading the bible. We should repent so that the blood of Jesus christ at the cross will not be in vain |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by Nobody: 12:24pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Billyonaire: Jesus Christ was not speaking Parables when he said "You must be born again" to see the Kingdom of God. There is no complex word there, but most Christians search for meanings of plain word all in an attempt to confuse others. 100% False , stop reading those mystic books. |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by edubest(m): 12:24pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Water baptism! Immerson |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by maximunimpact(m): 12:27pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
What Did Nicodemus Understand by "Born Again"? Nicodemus was a Pharisee and a teacher of Israel, a ruler of the Jews (that is, a member of the Jewish governing body, the Sanhedrin), who is mentioned only in John's Gospel. Nicodemus was impressed with the signs that Jesus performed in Jerusalem at Passover time of 30 C.E. Consequently, he visited Jesus one night and confessed that Jesus must have come from God. (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, page 497) According to John's account, the discussion went like this: 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him." 3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." 4 "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" 5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." ―John 3:1-8. (New International Version) Nicodemus was puzzled by Jesus' reply about the need to be "born again," although Jesus told him that he "should not be surprised" at this. Since he was a teacher of the Jews Nicodemus should have been familiar with God's promises and prophecies, and that is why Jesus chided him, saying, "Are you a teacher of Israel and yet do not know these things?" (vs. 10) What did Jesus mean when he told Nicodemus that "no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again," and why should Nicodemus have understood this? When we understand his answer we realize that with these few words Jesus focused on the very heart of what Nicodemus had just acknowledged, the evidence that he had come from God, the purpose of his coming and how Nicodemus and all the Jews were involved, and the changes that were about to come upon the entire nation of Israel in fulfillment of God's promises as he had extensively foretold by means of his prophets. But before we can understand what Jesus meant we must first determine whether Jesus had told Nicodemus that he must be born "again" or born "from above," for the Greek word used, άνωθεν, anothen, (pronounced an'-o-then), can mean either. That is why some Bibles translate Jesus as saying, "I tell you for certain that you must be born from above before you can see God's kingdom." (CEV) In the King James Version the word an'-o-then (Strong's 509) appears 13 times: three times it is translated as "the top" (Matt. 27:51; Mark 15:38; John 19:23), twice as "from the very first" or "from the beginning" (Luke 1:3; Acts 26:5), five times as "from above" (John 3:31; 19:11; James 1:17; 3:15, 17), and three times as "again" (John 3:3, 7; Gal. 4:9). Therefore, how can we determine whether Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born "again" or be born "from above"; or do those two terms mean the same? The simple answer to this, of course is, what did Nicodemus understand Jesus to say? According to his reply, "How can an old man go back into his mother's womb a second time," indicates that he understood Jesus to say that he must be born "again" or "a second time," (δεύτερον - Interlinear Translation). He did not understand Jesus to say that he must be born "from above" as this would not fit his reply to Jesus. That is why the majority of Bible translations render Jesus as saying "born again." (NWT, KJV, NKJV, NIV, NLT, NIRV, HCSB, NLV, ESV, NASB, RSV, ASV, Amplified, Young, Darby, Webster, HNV) We can also be sure that Jesus said born again by understanding what it was that he meant, why there was the need to be born "again" or a "second time." For anything to happen "again" the same thing must have taken place at least once previously. Did Jesus indicate to Nicodemus that he was first born in the flesh? That is what Nicodemus thought, according to his words. But, Jesus quickly ruled that out, saying, "What has been born from the flesh is flesh, and what has been born from the spirit is spirit." (vs. 6) In other words, being born in the flesh has nothing to do with being born again in the spirit. They are not the same at all. Nicodemus and all the Jews had to be born again in the same way or manner that they, as God's people, had already been born on a previous occasion. Jesus and Nicodemus belonged to a nation that had come into existence solely because of the promise that Jehovah had made to their forefather Abraham. God had chosen Abraham to be the one through whom he purposed to fulfill his promise of a future seed by means of which blessings would come to all the nations of the earth, and that time was now at hand. —Genesis 22:17,18. |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by Nonybb: 12:27pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Whether u are a paganist, muslim, traditionalist, an atheist, animalist, budhist, OR a church goer, u must certainly be born of the spirit of God for u to experience an everlasting or eternal relationship with the Father through Jesus |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by Nobody: 12:28pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
frosbel: Believe what you want, know what you will and allow others the luxury of understanding what they understand. Believing is different from knowing. You believe, but I Know the truth and understand the truth, and the truth has set me free. Being born again means reincarnating. Jesus said it direct, that you have to be born of water and of spirit. Water is the source of life, and spirit birth is reincarnated soul. |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by yomalex(m): 12:35pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit if born again equals to born of the spirit if you are born again it means you are a spirit |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by Nonybb: 12:36pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Billyonaire: Jesus Christ was not speaking Parables when he said "You must be born again" to see the Kingdom of God. There is no complex word there, but most Christians search for meanings of plain word all in an attempt to confuse others.u have the spirit of canality and it had profited u nothing. Dat was why u had to read bible like literature book thinking that u are deceiving anybody but urself. Look my friend u must consciously seek God for u to experience the revelation that comes frm His word. Most of u ppl always try to negotiate with God due to ur sturbborness of heart and wickedness of mind. The problem of man is that God that lead a fountain of all things in the body of christ yet u took the wrong path, seeking after the fantasy, frivolities and tradition of men because the devil have tricked u into believing nonsense and philosophical crap. First of all became born again through spiritual rebirth, then consciously seek the knwledge through His word by studying ur bible Ok |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by trolling(m): 12:36pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
it means undergoing fiery trials to purge out the old man,tribualation works patience,being born again doesnt come over night as you so called Christians say..Anyways i dont know about hey.Zeus but i know about Yahshua which translates to Yah's salvation...Blessed is He that comes in the name of Yah,so we can see the name of Yah present in Yahshua's name, in english you can call him Joshua but we know that the letter j is an english alphabet, and during Yahshua;s time they spoke,Aramaic, Herew not english,and up till date there are now j's in Aramaic,Hebrew,latin, so how could they have called him jesus morever jesus was transliterated from greek and latin,well Yahshua wasnt greek or latin so how could his Hebrew Israelite parents call him by a greek and latin name,do your research Yahshua is a man of color,his brethren that hated him that is the jews delivered him up as our Passover lamb but the Euro-Gentiles killed him as required by the sacrificial law. |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by maximunimpact(m): 12:52pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
The Conception and Birth of Israel, God's "Firstborn Son" The most precious, profound and personal gift that we can offer to Jehovah, from his standpoint, is for us to have faith in him and his promises. It indicates our complete trust in him, his care for us individually, while acknowledging his wisdom and power; and this in spite of never having seen him or personally heard his voice. There have been countless individuals throughout history who have been known to have had that sort of faith. —Hebrews 11:4-40. Faith results in love and obedience. We cannot love Jehovah if we have no faith in him, which we get by coming to know him; and we obey him because we have faith that obedience brings blessings. (Heb. 11:6) Faith is something very personal, something tangible by which we prove what sort of person we are. No wonder that "faith is not a possession of all people." (2 Thess. 3:2) Abraham was a man who had such faith. In fact, he is called "the father of all those having faith." He set the example for all of us. — Romans 4:11. Abraham had first proven his faith by leaving his home city of Ur, moving to a distant land, as Jehovah had commanded him, and arrived in the land of Canaan when he was already an old man of 75 years. He had no offspring, and yet, God promised that he would make a great nation out of him. And Abraham put faith in that promise. —Genesis 15:5,6. Another ten years passed, and as Abraham's wife Sarah continued barren she now offered to Abraham her maidservant, Hagar, in order to have a child by her. Perhaps this was their attempt to help fulfill God's promise. And so at the age of 86 years Abraham became father to his son Ishmael, by Hagar. (Gen. 16:16) But Ishmael was not the son according to Jehovah's promise through whom the seed would come, and by means of which all the nations of earth would bless themselves. Jehovah confirmed to Abraham that his own wife, Sarah, though barren, would give birth to a son, whom he was to name Isaac, and with him Jehovah would conclude his covenant. —Genesis 17:15-21. True to his promise, though another 14 years went by, Jehovah miraculously enabled barren Sarah to become pregnant by her husband and to give birth to Isaac their son, when Abraham was a hundred years old and she was ninety. With the birth of Isaac was conceived the future nation of Israel. “Listen to me, YOU people who are pursuing after righteousness, YOU who are seeking to find Jehovah. Look to the rock from which YOU were hewn out, and to the hollow of the pit from which YOU were dug out. Look to Abraham YOUR father and to Sarah who gradually brought YOU forth with childbirth pains. For he was one when I called him, and I proceeded to bless him and to make him many." ―Isaiah 51:1-3, 15,16. It would take time for the nation to grow, much longer than the nine months it took from Isaac's conception until his birth. (Ps. 139:13-17) In the case of Israel it's development would be gradual, over a period of more than 400 years from its conception to the actual birth as a nation at Mount Sinai. During all that time Jehovah, as their Father, would watch over his "son," his people, protecting them and helping them "even from the belly," which is "evidently referring to the very beginning of their development as a people." (Isa. 44:1,2) ―it-2 pp. 997-998 Son(s) of God. The nation started to form when two sons were born to Isaac and Rebekah, namely, Esau and Jacob. Jehovah chose Jacob, and repeated the covenant that he had made with his grandfather also with him. (Gen. 28:14,15) Jacob's name was changed to Israel and he came to have twelve sons. (Gen. 32:27,28; 35:10-12) The danger now presented itself for the developing nation to be integrated with the nations round about, as became evident when Dinah, Jacob's daughter, became involved with a son of a chieftain of the Canaanites. (Gen. 34:1-31) In order to protect his as yet unborn nation, Jehovah maneuvered matters to bring them into the safety of Egypt, where he had made Joseph, one of Jacob's twelve sons, a powerful ruler, only subordinate to Pharaoh himself. Also, his families were left unmolested by the Egyptians because they were shepherds and "every herder of sheep is a detestable thing in Egypt." (Gen. 46:33,34) There, Israel could increase in numbers, but when they started to grow mighty the Egyptians began to fear them as a threat and began dominating them by enslaving them. Jehovah had foretold all this to Abraham, the gradual growth of the nation and the time it would take for them to return to the promised land and take possession of it. "And he began to say to Abram: 'You may know for sure that your seed will become an alien resident in a land not theirs, and they will have to serve them, and these will certainly afflict them for four hundred years. But the nation that they will serve I am judging, and after that they will go out with many goods.'" —Genesis 15:13-16. The years progressed. The four hundred years came to an end, and the few family members of seventy, that had gone into Egypt, had grown into a nation of over 600,000 male adults.* (Gen. 46:27; Ex. 12:37) The time had now arrived for the momentous occasion of giving birth to Jehovah's "son," his "firstborn." But this delivery would not be without labor pains. Jehovah sent Moses to appear before Pharaoh: "And you must say to Pharaoh, 'This is what Jehovah has said: "Israel is my son, my firstborn. And I say to you: Send my son away that he may serve me. But should you refuse to send him away, here I am killing your son, your firstborn."'" (Ex. 4:22,23) (*Possibly more than three million left Egypt. For details see Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 1, page 778-9.) Of course, Pharaoh refused to release God's "son," and it took ten plagues, including the death of every firstborn among the Egyptians, before Jehovah procured the release of his people. Even then Pharaoh changed his mind and chased after them, resulting in the destruction of his entire army when Jehovah trapped them in the Red Sea. To add to the birth pains was the fact that they, a vast crowd, had to wander a long distance through the wilderness, where they and their little children suffered from the heat, cold, hunger and thirst, before Jehovah brought them to Mount Sinai (also known as Mt. Horeb). Here, in the year 1513 B.C.E., the nation of Israel, as Jehovah's son, was born when Jehovah concluded a covenant with them, with Moses as their mediator, validated by "the blood of the covenant" of animal sacrifices. —Exodus 24:7,8; Ezekiel 16:3-6. Jehovah could rightly expect his people to learn from Abraham's example of outstanding faith, and imitate it, as it is natural for children to look with pride to their forefather, as did the descendants of Jehonadab, the son of Rechab. (Gen. 18:18,19; compare Jer. 35:1-19) Especially should this have been the case since they knew that their very existence came about because Jehovah himself, the Creator of the earth and everything upon it, was their Father, having caused their conception and now their birth as a nation. (Isa. 41:8; James 2:23) Along with the covenant Jehovah made this promise to them: "And now if YOU will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then YOU will certainly become my special property out of all [other] peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. And YOU yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation." ―Exodus 19:5,6. If the nation of Israel would prove faithful to his covenant, as a loyal son, Jehovah would choose exclusively from among his sons the full number of those who would be kings and priests in his future kingdom, by means of which blessings would come to "the whole earth," the details of which God kept as a "sacred secret" until his appointed time. —Rom. 11:17-27; 16:25,26; Eph. 1:4; Col. 1:26,27; Rev. 20:6. |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by eyenCalabar(m): 12:53pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Monimatic: To be born again you must"confess You've said it all brother. Or should I rather put it another way: the re-awakening of the human spirit to the realities of the kingdom of God. |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by mcfynest(m): 1:01pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Ghydyon: **yawns** can sum1 tel me wats going on be born again....Lord av mercy on us |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by Nobody: 1:03pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
To understand what Born again means in the context of Jesus's precious words, we have to understand what Gospel Jesus preached. Jesus preached the good news of the coming Kingdom of GOD which was prophesied in Daniel as follows : “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever." - Daniel 2:44 And we see in Daniel 7:13, both the resurrection of Jesus and the Power and rulership bestowed upon him by the Ancient of days, Yahweh. "13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed." - Daniel 7:13-14 Which is why we always pray ' thy kingdom come ' , which means we pray for the hastening of the establishment of God's permanent kingdom in this world, when all the wicked kingdoms will be abolished and the wicked destroyed. We also are asked by Jesus, to 'seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness ' first and all other things will be added unto us. Our first priority should be the Kingdom of GOD and to bring others into it, not into our church membership, but into the Kingdom of GOD. To be part of this kingdom you MUST be 'born again' into it supernaturally , by the Spirit of GOD. This means you believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and Son of GOD sent to deliver us from sin and death , by his sacrifice, death , burial and resurrection , so that we are justified before God to be counted worthy as citizens of his Kingdom , where we will live forever and ever and never see death. "For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son" - Colossians 1:13 Question : Are you 'born again' into this kingdom of GOD which is to be shortly established or do you love this present wicked world like Demas ? |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by telim: 1:10pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
To be born again In computing terminology means to format an infected/vulnerable operating system and install same or upgraded operating system that is free from virus and follow all the relevant steps involve in protecting the operating system against all forms of virus and malwares by installing an anti virus, password e.t.c Relating this to human beings means a process of resetting the mind and brain, in such a way that they correlate with the teaching and practice of our lord Jesus christ. |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by maximunimpact(m): 1:11pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
The "People that is to be Born" "You were once not a people, but are now God's people." ―1 Peter 2:10. The covenant that Jehovah made with the nation of Israel at Mt. Sinai, that gave birth to them as his sons, was not the end of the journey, as if this was all there was to God's purpose in fulfilling his promise made immediately after the rebellion in the Garden of Eden. (Gen. 3:15) From the very beginning Jehovah had purposed to redeem all of Adam's descendants, all mankind "who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam." (Rom. 3:21-25; 5:14, 19; 1 Cor. 15:22) Abraham's seed and the covenant God had made with them would be the means by which he was going to accomplish this. For that reason the time would come when the Law covenant, once it had served its purpose, would be replaced by a new and better covenant. —Galatians 3:24,25. 31 “Look! There are days coming,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant; 32 not one like the covenant that I concluded with their forefathers in the day of my taking hold of their hand to bring them forth out of the land of Egypt, ‘which covenant of mine they themselves broke, although I myself had husbandly ownership of them,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.” 33 “For this is the covenant that I shall conclude with the house of Israel after those days,” is the utterance of Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people.” 34 “And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, ‘KNOW Jehovah!’ for they will all of them know me, from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them,” is the utterance of Jehovah. “For I shall forgive their error, and their sin I shall remember no more.” ―Jeremiah 31:31-34. Nicodemus, as a teacher of Israel, would have (should have) been very familiar with Jehovah's promise of a new covenant, as foretold by Jeremiah. The time had now arrived for Jehovah to bring this about and Nicodemus, along with all the Jews, should have been in expectation of it, especially since he confessed that the signs that Jesus performed provided evidence that he had come from God. —Luke 3:15. One striking difference of this new covenant was that God's law would be written in the heart of his people, instead of on stone tablets and parchment as had been the case with the old covenant, and to which the Jewish religious leaders had added abundantly. (Matt. 23:1-4) Yes, instead of obeying God because of some written code—made up of rules and regulations, as is common among man-made organizations—under the new covenant God's people would obey him because of their faith and deep love for him, all of them having come to know Jehovah "from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them." Please note that Jehovah says concerning the house of Israel and the house of Judah that "I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people." (vs. 33) Was Jehovah not already their God, and were they not also his people who were born to him at Mt. Sinai, due to the covenant mediated by Moses? Yes, the Jews had enjoyed their relationship with God as sons on account of that covenant. Since it was about to become "obsolete" their relationship could no longer continue based on a covenant that no longer existed . The end of the old covenant would also end their special relationship with God! Therefore, for them to again become God's people, and have Jehovah once more become their God, they needed to be born "again," a "second" time, by being brought into the new covenant. —Colossians 2:13,14; Hebrews 8:13. Also, an outstanding feature of the new covenant is the forgiveness of sins. (Jer. 31:34) How is this different from the forgiveness the Jews obtained from their animal sacrifices at the temple? The life of an animal is never equal to that of a man, and thus can never fully compensate God for the sins committed by his people. Paul explains that "it is not possible for the blood of bulls and of goats to take sins away." (Heb. 10:4) God's people were guilty of sins by failing to live up to all that the Law of the old covenant required of them, and were in need of forgiveness. (Gal. 3:19) The new covenant made that possible because of the superior sacrifice of the perfect man Jesus. (Heb. 9:12-14; 1 Peter 2:24) The Jews needed to accept the mediator of the new covenant in order to have their transgressions forgiven and inherit the promises God had made to the nation. The apostle Paul explains it this way: "Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant." (Heb. 9:15, ESV) Having their sins thus forgiven would make it possible for the nation to get a fresh start, in a cleansed condition, by being born again. This new covenant was not "like the covenant that [God] concluded with their forefathers." (Jer. 31:31,32) Nicodemus, as a "teacher of Israel," should have understood most of these things. This new covenant would further fulfill God's promise to Abraham that "all the nations of the earth must bless themselves by means of him." It would embrace not only Abraham's natural descendants, as God's firstborn son, but now also people of all the nations would be "born" to God as his added sons. — Gen. 18:18; Ex. 4:22; Matt. 5:9; 2 Cor. 6:17,18. 27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn back to Jehovah. And all the families of the nations will bow down before you. 28 For the kingship belongs to Jehovah, And he is dominating the nations. . . 30 A seed itself will serve him; It will be declared concerning Jehovah to the generation. 31 They will come and tell of his righteousness To the people that is to be born, that he has done [this]. ―Psalms 22:27-31. Jehovah is a faithful God. (Deut. 7:9) Abraham's faith in him was not in vain. Not only did Abraham's seed become as "the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore," but also through them blessings would come to all mankind. (Gen. 22:17,18) It was his seed who was entrusted with the sacred pronouncements of God, and from among them the promised "seed" or Messiah appeared. It was Abraham's seed that got to know Jehovah because of their covenant with him, and now the ones who put faith in Christ and were born again could "tell of his righteousness" to "all the families of the nations," yes, "to the people that is to be born." —Romans 3:1,2; 9:4,5; Galatians 3:7-9. Under the new covenant people of all nations would be born to God, but only the Jews who had been in the previous covenant could be born "again." The mediator of the new covenant, Christ Jesus, validated the new covenant by means of his own shed blood. Anyone who exercises faith in "the blood of the covenant" will have his sins forgiven and be "born" from God by being brought into that new covenant. —Galatians 3:14-16; Revelation 7:14. Everyone believing that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God , and everyone who loves the one that caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one. 2 By this we gain the knowledge that we are loving the children of God, when we are loving God and doing his commandments. 3 For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome, 4 because everything that has been born from God conquers the world. And this is the conquest that has conquered the world, our faith. ―1 John 5:1-4. Everyone born from God "conquers the world" as Jesus did, by keeping integrity and not being any part of the world of which Satan is the ruler. (John 12:31; 15:17-21) How different this now was for people of the nations who previously were "without Christ, alienated from the state of Israel and strangers to the covenants of the promise, and had no hope and were without God in the world." (Eph. 2:12) They now had the same opportunity as the Jews of being born from God and becoming his sons. 13 But now in union with Christ Jesus YOU who were once far off have come to be near by the blood of the Christ. 14 For he is our peace, he who made the two parties one and destroyed the wall in between that fenced them off. 15 By means of his flesh he abolished the enmity, the Law of commandments consisting in decrees, that he might create the two peoples in union with himself into one new man and make peace; 16 and that he might fully reconcile both peoples in one body to God through the torture stake, because he had killed off the enmity by means of himself. 17 And he came and declared the good news of peace to YOU, the ones far off, and peace to those near, 18 because through him we, both peoples, have the approach to the Father by one spirit. ―Eph. 2:13-18. There would no longer be any distinction between a Jew and a Gentile under the new covenant, for they would both equally be born as sons of God. It is to these believing Gentiles that Jesus referred when he said, "And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd."—John 10:16; Rom. 10:11,12; Gal. 3:26. The new covenant is actually the restored original covenant of life that Jehovah had made with Adam, which now makes possible for all of his offspring to be completely reconciled to God through their faith in Christ Jesus. (2 Cor. 5:18,19; Col. 1:20) There is no other future third covenant necessary. Jesus did not make "a covenant for a kingdom" with his disciples on the night he was arrested, as is taught by the Society. On that occasion he simply promised that they would receive the kingdom, the means by which blessings will flow to redeemed mankind under the new covenant, for God's kingdom will replace all present oppressive human governments. —Dan. 7:13,14, 27; Luke 22:29,30; Rev. 3:21. (see Did Jesus make a covenant for a kingdom?) The only distinction that will endure forever will be regarding the "Israel of God," which had its root firmly planted in the covenant Jehovah had made with Abraham. Since the root was holy, the 144,000 branches would also be holy, even though some of the domestic branches had been broken off [unfaithful Jews] and replaced by "wild" branches [believing Gentiles]. —Romans 11:16; Revelation 7:4-8. It might be good to note at this point that although the Jews were born from God as his sons, none of them had the opportunity of ruling with Christ in his heavenly kingdom, that is, not until the time of Christ's actual appearance; no, not even John the Baptist who prepared the way for him. That is why Jesus said regarding him: "I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he is!" (Matt. 11:11, NLT) King David certainly was God's son, yet he did not have the heavenly hope. Therefore, Jesus told Nicodemus, "No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man." — John 3:13; compare Acts 2:34. It is evident, that to qualify as being born from God as his son, one does not need to have the heavenly hope. There is no scriptural basis for suggesting that this designation has changed. Those who will rule with Christ are chosen from among God's sons. Such future rulers may be viewed as God's sons in a special sense, as God spoke of his king designate, Solomon, "I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son." (2 Sam. 7:14) All who will "inherit the earth" will be sons of God just as Adam was a "son of God" before his rebellion. (Matt. 5:5; Luke 3:38) ―it-2 pp. 998 Son(s) of God. |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by thaoriginator: 1:12pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Wait o, you guys call jesus ur lord and saviour, yet you also said he will be resurrected by another lord/god. What is wrong with you guys? Are guys confused? 1 Like |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by thaoriginator: 1:14pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
gawgeousnezz: Being born again provides you the means to see God's Glory...it explains seeing the kingdom of God but John 3:5 went further to explain that being born of water(baptism) and spirit(Word) then you can ENTER the kingdom of God. So it's not enough to SEE God's kingdom but we need to ENTER into it.... Shalomlol... Very funny! |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by igala1(m): 1:18pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Monimatic: To be born again you must"confess |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by igala1(m): 1:24pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
curfew: the bible explains itself, but the wise men of this world go to and fro looking for knowledge, deceiving and being deceived. here is the meaning of being born again: |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by Nobody: 1:26pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Christians and many others believe that being “born again” means to profess your sins and believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins. Then they falsely believe that they will go to heaven when they die based upon that shallow belief with no other effort. Why would eternal life be that easy to obtain? You have a choice to believe the truth or continue in the false perception that Jesus will save you without you doing anything to save yourself. Jesus was only the metaphor for demonstrating how to realize the Divine already within each of us and escape the pain of return after endless return. Almost all of us have been here before or in some other lower realm. Some have even fallen from higher realms. We lose our memories when we return so that our previous lives do not hinder our progress in the current life. Being born again means disconnection from the "I" or the ego mind. The part of you that thinks you are seperate from the God mind. Truth is we all make up the God mind and reincarnation will contineu until we correct that. Bible verses are not needed to do the right things or to know the right things to do. We are multi-dimensional beings who have the gift of dreams and visions. These our our God attributes |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by esere826: 1:28pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
My understanding of this scripture: Biblically, being "Born again" was not initially used to refer to what modern xtians have now come to ascribe it as being. You can always do an electronc search through the bible to see for yourself. Jesus used the term in a very simple way. Let me show you - Nichodemus: “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” Jesus : “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again/from above.” INTERPRETATION: You Nichodemus, have a NEW MIND that is why you can SEE my actions and ACKNOWLEDGE that I am from God. Nichodemus did not understand what Jesus was saying, so he asked: Nichodemus : How can someone be born when they are old?” “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” Jesus : “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit/wind. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." INTEPRETATION : You see that you could not understand me. This is a lesson to you, that although you have SEEN the kingdom (have a new mind), but you need to ENTER into it. This goes beyond just having a NEW MIND to actually being able to DICEPHER/SOAK/UNDERSTAND the language of the kingdom. Whereas SEEING is tangible, UNDERSTANDING is as intangible/elusive/flexible as water and wind. Jesus : "You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You all must be born again. The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” INTERPRETATION : So guys dont be surprised when I speak in parables saying you must be born again. Those that have ENTERED the kingdom (born of the spirit), are able to understand the kind of GOD TALK I have just said |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by dewaskillz: 1:44pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
What a well thought out article but am still confused cos I have not listened to d back up evidence of our priests who believe jesus meant spiritual resurrection |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by Sunglow: 1:45pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
@monimatic i knew u were a christ embassy person.thank God 4 dat ministry n d revelatns we rec.d answer u gave is so on POINT.God bless u brother. |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by dewaskillz: 1:45pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
dewaskillz: What a well thought out article but am still confused cos I have not listened to d back up evidence of our priests who believe jesus meant spiritual resurrection |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by badassnigga(m): 1:53pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
mcfynest: dnt deceive urself u gullible peeps. u ppl r in bondage. 1 Like |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by maximunimpact(m): 1:59pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
"A Nation Born at One Time" "Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her children."—Isaiah 66:8, ESV The new covenant came into operation at Pentecost 33C.E., which, according to the Jewish calendar was Sivan 6; and with that the old Law covenant became obsolete. It is interesting what Insight on the Scriptures notes regarding this date: "The Jews traditionally hold that Pentecost corresponded to the time of the giving of the Law at Sinai, when Israel became a distinguished people. It was early in the third month (Sivan) that the Israelites gathered at Sinai and received the Law. (Ex 19:1) Just as Moses as mediator was used to introduce Israel into the Law covenant, so Jesus Christ as Mediator of spiritual Israel* now brought that new nation into the new covenant." ―Vol. 2, page 599. (*Note: The term "spiritual Israel" is not found in the Bible.) It had taken the nation of Israel a period of several hundred years to form; and its birth, with the covenant made at Mount Sinai, had been accompanied with great birth pangs, labor pains. But their new birth, with the new covenant, was going to be astonishingly different. It would take place in one day, before there could even be any "birth pangs." Before she began to come into labor pains she gave birth. Before birth pangs could come to her, she even gave deliverance to a male child. Who has heard of a thing like this? Who has seen things like these? Will a land be brought forth with labor pains in one day? Or will a nation be born at one time? For Zion has come into labor pains as well as given birth to her sons. ―Isaiah 66:7,8 Zion, in Jerusalem, was where Jehovah's temple stood and where God's sons were worshiping him according to the old Law covenant, although they continually broke it. But it was not this Zion that Isaiah prophesied would give birth to her sons. Because the sacred ark was situated in Jehovah's temple on Mount Zion, Zion came to represent Jehovah's presence and heavenly realities. Quoting Insight on the Scriptures, "Zion became a mountain especially holy to Jehovah when David had the sacred Ark transferred there. Later, the designation “Zion” embraced the temple area on Mount Moriah (where the Ark was moved during Solomon’s reign) and the term was, in fact, applied to the entire city of Jerusalem. (Compare Isa 1:8; 8:18; see MOUNTAIN OF MEETING.) Since the Ark was associated with Jehovah’s presence and because Zion was a symbol of heavenly realities, Zion was referred to as the place of God’s dwelling and the place from which help, blessing, and salvation would come." ―Vol. 2, page 1236. Before his ascension to heaven Jesus had told his disciples not to withdraw from Jerusalem, "but keep waiting for what the Father has promised." While his disciples had already been baptized by John the Baptist in water, showing "that they had repented of their sins and turned to God to be forgiven," they were about to be "baptized in holy spirit not many days after this." (Mark 1:4, 8, NLT; Acts 1:4) As the Father had promised by means of the prophet Isaiah, Zion was about to give birth to her sons and his new nation was about to be born in one day, "at one time." The account in Acts tells us what happened when Jesus' twelve apostles and 108 disciples were gathered together: On the day of Pentecost all the believers were meeting together in one place. Suddenly, there was a sound from heaven like the roaring of a mighty windstorm, and it filled the house where they were sitting. Then, what looked like flames or tongues of fire appeared and settled on each of them. And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability. ―Acts 2:1-4, NLT. Regarding the Spirit, Jesus had told Nicodemus that "the wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." (John 3: On the last night with his disciples Jesus had promised them "the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you." (John 14:26; 15:26; 16:7) Now, on this day of Pentecost, God sent the promised helper by pouring out the holy spirit upon the 120 disciples. Since the holy spirit is not visible to the eyes, God made it evident when it was accompanied by the sound from heaven "like the roaring of a mighty windstorm" (NLT), so loud that it brought the multitude, that had gathered in Jerusalem for the festival, running to the house where the disciples were gathered. They could hear the sound but could not see where it came from. Inside, the holy spirit made itself evident when "flames or tongues of fire" settled upon each of the 120 individuals receiving it. —Acts 2:2-6. The disciples had previously already been "born of water," having been baptized which made forgiveness of their sins possible once Christ had paid the ransom, resulting in their clean standing before God. (1 Cor. 6:11; Heb. 9:14) Now they had been baptized also with holy spirit which filled them with "all the fullness that God gives," empowering them to understand and "grasp what is the breadth and length and height and depth." (Eph. 3:18,19) Full of holy spirit, the apostle Peter was able to explain to the crowd that had gathered, the significance of what had just occurred, according to Joel's prophecy: “And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will certainly prophesy. As for your old men, dreams they will dream. As for your young men, visions they will see. And even on the menservants and on the maidservants in those days I shall pour out my spirit." —Joel 2:28,29. With the outpouring of his holy spirit Jehovah brought the new covenant into force, thus giving birth to his new nation — his household, made up of Christ's disciples. As foretold by his prophet Isaiah, his new nation was "born in one day," "in one moment." It was not Zion, the city of Jerusalem, that gave birth to God's new nation, but rather this came from Jehovah himself: "'Shall I bring to the point of birth and not cause to bring forth?' says the LORD; 'shall I, who cause to bring forth, shut the womb?' says your God." —Isa. 66:8,9; ESV. Jehovah began to lay the foundation of his new nation with his chosen twelve apostles and 108 other disciples, all of them natural offspring of Abraham; with "Christ Jesus himself [as] the foundation cornerstone." (see Summary) Keeping "the covenant in force for the many for one week [of years]," Jehovah continued to choose exclusively from among faithful Jews for another three and a half years to add to the foundation of his household, until 36 C.E., when Cornelius became the first Gentile to be added until the full "foreordained" number of 144,000 would be fulfilled. —Daniel 9:27; Acts 10:1, 44-48; Romans 11:13, 17-24; Ephesians 2:19-22. Of what use is a foundation, unless a building is constructed upon it? (Luke 6:47,48; 14:29,30) A foundation is of a specific size, having definite dimensions, which includes the one cornerstone. On the other hand, that which is build upon it is only limited by what the foundation can bear. After laying the foundation on the day of Pentecost, Jehovah also immediately build upon the foundation with "about three thousand souls [that] were added." These three thousand had responded to Peter's speech and consequently repented and were baptized for forgiveness of their sins. (Acts 2:37-41) Likely Jehovah chose a number of them in order to add them to the 120 foundation stones. But most of the newly baptized disciples were built upon the foundation. The two loaves of newly ripened grain that were presented to God at Pentecost under the old covenant had pictured these two groups: 1. The anointed disciples who would eventually number 144,000, and who were the foundation, with Jesus as the foundation cornerstone; and 2. The countless others, "all those who [are] rightly disposed for everlasting life," who are build upon this foundation, and whose natural hope of life on earth is assured by Jehovah. (Rev. 14:1, 3; 7:9,10; John 3:16; Acts 13:48; 1 John 4:9) Both groups were presented before Jehovah on that day; both taken from among sinful mankind as the loaves, having been baked leavened, symbolized. * (See footnote) —Leviticus 23:16-20. The 120 disciples, who were anointed with holy spirit as the foundation stones, and the 3000 who were baptized that day, were thus "born again" and brought into the new covenant, becoming God's sons for a second time since the old covenant was from this day on no longer valid. Samaritans, and later Gentiles, would also be born from God, but for their first time. (Rom. 8:14; Gal. 4:4-7) In this way "the whole building [was] being harmoniously joined together, growing into a holy temple for Jehovah," and "built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit." —Ephesians 2:19-22; Hebrews 3:6; 1 Peter 2:4-6. All who belong to Jehovah have been "born of water" (by baptism) and are also born of the spirit. It is God's spirit that teaches us to know the things of God, "for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God. . . But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually." (1 Cor. 2:10-14) All of God's faithful people have God's spirit, as a recent Watchtower article acknowledged: "Genuine anointed Christians. . . do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the other sheep have." ―The Watchtower, May 1, 2007, page 31. We are born from God, according to his will and promise, and are brought into the new covenant as we are adopted as his sons and daughters. As such we become members of his household, some as foundation stones, others built upon this foundation; and if we remain there, faithful, we will inherit the blessings that Jehovah had originally intended for Adam's offspring, had Adam remained faithful. —2 Cor. 6:16-18; Gen. 1:27,28; Ps. 37:10,11, 29; Rev. 20:3,4. Do not allow anyone to rob you of your precious relationship with your heavenly Father, for you were bought with a price and have been brought into the new covenant, born from water (by your baptism) and the Spirit (generously poured out upon us), which has been made possible by the "blood of the covenant." —1 Cor. 6:19,20; 7:23. ------------- |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by danielonyisi(m): 2:00pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
bad_ass_nigga: it means to commit suicide ...and come bak to lyf. fake religionpoint of correction Christainity is not a religion like other religion but a way of life(christ like) christainity dont support suicide......OKAY? |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by sylve11: 2:10pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Reincarnation i must say. . . one must be born and be reborn with clean spirit for he/she to see God. That's a mystical teaching from Jesus. Dont have strength to write much. |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by Redhot111(m): 2:40pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
bad_ass_nigga: it means to commit suicide ...and come bak to lyf. fake religionare a cow? |
Re: ''born Again'' -what Did Jesus Mean? by maximunimpact(m): 2:45pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
In a Nutshell: The Jews were born as a nation at Mount Sinai, and became God's people when they, at that time, entered into the covenant with God. The entire nation, "every man of Israel," including the little ones, and their wives, were included in that covenant, "for the purpose of establishing you today as his people and that he may prove himself your God." (Deut. 29:10-13) That covenant was made with Abraham's offspring for the purpose of producing the promised Seed, thereby safeguarding the lineage through which the Messiah would come by means of whom "all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves," according to God's promise to Abraham. (Gen. 22:16-18; Matt. 1:1-16; Luke 3:23-34) God also foretold that once this covenant had fulfilled its divine purpose, he would then make a new and better covenant with his people, thereby rendering the former old covenant obsolete. Nicodemus, a leader and teacher among the Jews, should have been familiar with God's promise of a new covenant, as foretold by the prophet Jeremiah. (Jer. 31:31-34; Heb. 8:7-9, 13) When he failed to get the sense of Jesus' words, "You people must be born again," Jesus scolded him, saying: "Are you a teacher of Israel and yet do not know these things?" (John 3:7, 9,10) Clearly, not only Nicodemus, but all the Jews should have been in expectation of the Messiah, including God's promise of making a new covenant with them. Being God's people under the old covenant, the Jews needed to be "born again" by entering into the new covenant upon termination of the old one; but how could they if they rejected the mediator of that new covenant? (Heb. 9:13-15) Only by entering into the new covenant could they inherit the promise God had made them: "And you yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation," for it was by means of the new covenant that this was to be fulfilled. (Exodus 19:5,6) That is why Jesus said to Nicodemus: "Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3) When Jesus told Nicodemus that "anyone" [of you people, the Jews] must be born "again" in order to see the kingdom of God, he was not referring to "people of the nations," the Gentiles, who had not been previously in the old covenant, but were "alienated from the state of Israel and strangers to the covenants of the promise." (Eph. 2:11-18; Matt. 15:24) Yet, through their faith in Jesus, people of the nations could now also become God's people, under the new covenant; no, not as proselytes as before, but as genuine "sons of God." (Rom. 10:12; Gal. 3:26; Eph. 2:19-22; 1 John 3:9; 5:1) Both Jews and Gentiles are equally "born from God" when they are baptized, in obedience to Jesus' command, at which time they receive "the free gift of the holy spirit." Thus they are "born from water and spirit." This was true also in Jesus' own case. (Matt. 3:16,17; 28:19; compare Acts 2:38; 8:14-17; 10:47; 11:15-17; 19:1-6; 1 Peter 3:21) It is only by means of this new covenant that anyone can enjoy a personal relationship with God, just as he foretold regarding it: "'I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people." (Jer. 31:33; Acts 15:14-18) At the moment of a person's baptism, he also receives the benefits of the ransom, including the forgiveness of his previous sins. (1 John 2:-3, 12) He is now a member of God's household, which is God's holy temple, "a place for God to inhabit by spirit." (Eph. 2:21,22; 3:5,6; 1 Cor. 3:16,17) As long as he remains within God's temple he is assured of inheriting God's kingdom, which means the everlasting life that God promised, and as Jesus told Nicodemus. (John 3:16; Jude 21; Heb. 6:4-6; Matt. 13:40-43) The vast majority of mankind will live right here on earth, according to God's original purpose for Adam and his offspring; whereas a small number are chosen by God from among Christ's disciples to rule with Jesus in his heavenly kingdom, by which God will bring about the blessings to the nations that he first promised to Abraham. (Daniel 7:13,14, 27; Matt. 5:5; 6:10; 19:27,28; Rev. 3:21; 20:6) Summary: • "Born again" does not refer to some sort of spiritual resurrection. • The nation of Israel was born as God's people at Mount Sinai when God made the covenant with them, with Moses as the mediator, " for the purpose of establishing you today as his people and that he may prove himself your God ." (Deut. 29:12,13) • God foretold: "Look! There are days coming and I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant; not one like the covenant that I concluded with their forefathers . . . I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people ." (Jer. 31:31-33; Heb. 8:6-13) Please note, with the new covenant they would renew their relationship with God as his people; he would become their God again, and they his people again. • The foretold new covenant became operative on the day of Pentecost, with Jesus as the mediator, when he poured out the holy spirit upon the 120 disciples. (Acts 2:1-42; Heb. 9:13-15, 18-22) • Isaiah's prophecy was fulfilled on Pentecost: "Before she began to come into labor pains she gave birth. Before birth pangs could come to her, she even gave deliverance to a male child. Who has heard of a thing like this? Who has seen things like these? Will a land be brought forth with labor pains in one day? Or will a nation be born at one time? For Zion has come into labor pains as well as given birth to her sons ." (Isaiah 66:7, The Jews, who exercised faith in the mediator Christ Jesus, became the nation that was born at one time, in one day. They were thus born again, again becoming God's people while He again became their God. The Jews who failed to enter into the new covenant, by rejecting the mediator, would no longer be God's covenant people. (Paul in his letter to the Galatians illustrates the two covenants by comparing them to the birth of Hagar's son and Sarah's son; Gal. 4:21-31; Rom. 10:1-4; Heb. 8:13) Nicodemus, as a teacher of Israel, should have known these prophecies, as Jesus indicated to him. (John 3:9,10) When he went to visit Jesus that night, he had the privilege of being instructed by the mediator of the new covenant. This is what Jesus was impressing on him. |
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