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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 7:17am On May 27, 2017
Can someone explain, why are the Nigerians no longer posting content?

Has anyone noticed the Nigerians and South-Africans are no longer active here?

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 7:19am On May 27, 2017
newafricaken254:
all of them are cheap sh@t

The Nigerian Big Foot MRAPs have proven to be very effective in combat.

You cannot compare a basic APC to a vehicle designed to counter IEDs. This is were you are wrong.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by newafricaken254: 7:34am On May 27, 2017
kabe1:


The Nigerian Big Foot MRAPs have proven to be very effective in combat.

You cannot compare a basic APC to a vehicle designed to counter IEDs. This is were you are wrong.
we are talking about armoured personnel carriers (APC) not Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP's)
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 7:36am On May 27, 2017
newafricaken254:
we are talking about armoured personnel carriers (APC) not Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP's)

The Kenyan APC was hit by an IED, a threat it is not built to counter. It is a vehicle that is in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by newafricaken254: 8:03am On May 27, 2017
kabe1:


The Kenyan APC was hit by an IED, a threat it is not built to counter. It is a vehicle that is in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Singapore ST Kinetics developed TERREX 2 APC has a V-shaped hull to deflect mine(IED) blast away from crew compartment.this is a design which most APC's on the market are required to have,after lessons learned in iraq and most have incorporated this feature

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Fidha254(m): 8:14am On May 27, 2017
newafricaken254:
Kenya army MD500 helicopter
I heard we will be getting 8 more Hueys.Although I have not been able to confirm

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 8:27am On May 27, 2017
kabe1:


The Nigerian Big Foot MRAPs have proven to be very effective in combat.

You cannot compare a basic APC to a vehicle designed to counter IEDs. This is were you are wrong.
That's a South African design.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by newafricaken254: 8:28am On May 27, 2017
kenya police seized a FN Minimi light machine gun and ammo including a ceska pistol from criminals,during a raid on their hideout http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/03/17/police-recover-hk21-machine-gun-ceska-pistol-in-nakuru_c1526931

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 8:36am On May 27, 2017
newafricaken254:
all of them are cheap sh@t
Nope.Sabertooth Armored Personnel. There are alot of good APC from china. Blame your government for buying the cheap ones.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by newafricaken254: 9:08am On May 27, 2017
tdayof:
Nope.Sabertooth Armored Personnel. There are alot of good APC from china. Blame your government for buying the cheap ones.
i can see the subject is too complex for you,take some time and educate yourself on the issue we are talking about
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 9:44am On May 27, 2017
newafricaken254:
Singapore ST Kinetics developed TERREX 2 APC has a V-shaped hull to deflect mine(IED) blast away from crew compartment.this is a design which most APC's on the market are required to have,after lessons learned in iraq and most have incorporated this feature

Yes, but the Kenyan vehicle was built along the lines of the French army VAB APCs. These vehicles were built when the threat of IEDs weren't common.

The modern WZ551 from China has incorporated the lessons learned. They now come with a V-shaped hull.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 9:45am On May 27, 2017
MikeCZA:
That's a South African design.

I am aware of this.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 10:35am On May 27, 2017
newafricaken254:
i can see the subject is too complex for you,take some time and educate yourself on the issue we are talking about
No be now u no get common sense. Once a maalu always a maalu.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 12:40pm On May 27, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKgQs-sdemY
0:52 can someone ID the riffle with the SSS guy?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:23pm On May 27, 2017
Moroccan Police

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:46pm On May 27, 2017
C 28 A corvette at mers el kebir naval base , Oran Algeria

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by 61mech: 3:05pm On May 27, 2017
An APC is supposed to have better protection in all aspects than a MRAP by definition .Some form of mine protection (what is now called IED's for some reason) is supposed to be standard for APC's and IFV's for the last 60 years. Bottom and side attacking(PFF) mines have been used in conventional war for a long time. They are only different from IED's in the fact that they are industrially produced.

The concept of the MRAP was to give vehicles that perform the job of humvee's ,landrovers etc. better protection in asymmetric warfare. Those Chinese AFV's would not make it past the first round of blast testing at Denel.
As for the lower price. You're going to pay a higher price in lost lives and low morale.


kabe1:


The Nigerian Big Foot MRAPs have proven to be very effective in combat.

You cannot compare a basic APC to a vehicle designed to counter IEDs. This is were you are wrong.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 3:29pm On May 27, 2017
newafricaken254:
if you shot any kevlar helmet at point blank,the bullet will go through.also the houthi definitely had ATGMS

I know that,

I find it funny because:

A. the helmet is clearly looted
B. the helmet is clearly busted
C. The guy saw it and was like "neat, that will make a great addition to my gear" grin grin

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 3:40pm On May 27, 2017
Fidha254:
So what you are basically saying is that trump, the leader of a super power had to bluff just to scare off other poweraw? That should have been the 2nd last thing you do before the worst case scenario, now that he has burnt that bridge, next time he will be forced to take action in order for his threats to mean something...

Yes he scared the shit out of every sane person, except NK who have gone a head to launch more missiles on at least two more occasions....
I watch a CNN interview where trump was mentioned about MOAB in Iraq on two occasions, then the journalist asks trump,' you mean Afghanistan?' Then trump goes like, 'Yes!' I bet like most avg Americans he wouldn't be able to point where afgan or iraq is...

I know trump doesn't believe in the establishment with all its beaurocracy but at least the system has kept a relative world order, things like these need a policy agreed upon by concesus...not waking up in the morning and having a eureka moment the deciding that the next thing ...

No he wont, he can just bluff again... thats the whole point of his foreign policy - to be unpredictable, to be volatile. Nixon (who's foreign policy was masterfull) imployed simular tactics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory

Obviously Trump knows where Afghan and Iraq is, he isnt known for his oratory... so what. The guy has an Ivy league education and runs over 250 companies - to assert that he is incompetent is to allow him to play you.

No, these things have nothing to do with consensus.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Fidha254(m): 4:28pm On May 27, 2017
patches689:


No he wont, he can just bluff again... thats the whole point of his foreign policy - to be unpredictable, to be volatile. Nixon (who's foreign policy was masterfull) imployed simular tactics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory

Obviously Trump knows where Afghan and Iraq is, he isnt known for his oratory... so what. The guy has an Ivy league education and runs over 250 companies - to assert that he is incompetent is to allow him to play you.

No, these things have nothing to do with consensus.
Al-Qaida used the same weapons they were given by the Americans to fight off the Russian. Infact, one would say the terrorist problem the world faces now, was fueled by decisions made then... Same as Lybia of today... This kind of thinking of now only without carefully looking in the long term will land our kids and grand kids in a worse situation...thats what am saying
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:06pm On May 27, 2017
lionel4power:
TOP BEST FIGHTER JETS IN AFRICA.

http://www.africanmilitaryblog.com/2017/05/top-best-fighter-jet-in-african-air_23.html
Yeah!! Su 24 and Su27 above the Gripen and Su30 above the Rafael. ...sorry bud it's a thumbs down from me!!

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 5:19pm On May 27, 2017
jln115:

Yeah!! Su 24 and Su27 above the Gripen and Su30 above the Rafael. ...sorry bud it's a thumbs down from me!!
well yea Su-27 > gripen while Su-30 > rafale

didn't you read the criteria??
twin engine ranks higher than single engine anywhere

su-30 has better flight characteristics over the rafale.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Hrmnn: 5:45pm On May 27, 2017
AML upgraded to Eland standard; recently showcased at a European arms fair.

This vehicle was one of a batch maintained by a French firm which was later sold to Chad.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Tinfoil: 5:58pm On May 27, 2017
Africaken looks like Kenya is getting the latest version of the cobra. Any pics or info?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:05pm On May 27, 2017
Commandos Marins Tunisia

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 8:04pm On May 27, 2017
Hrmnn:
AML upgraded to Eland standard; recently showcased at a European arms fair.

This vehicle was one of a batch maintained by a French firm which was later sold to Chad.


I know one day I'll understand the value or role of armored cars in todays battlefield...

I still can't wrap my head on its usefulness.

oh well!! here comes RPG its mortal enemy
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Hrmnn: 8:51pm On May 27, 2017
lionel4power:



I know one day I'll understand the value or role of armored cars in todays battlefield...

I still can't wrap my head on its usefulness.

oh well!! here comes RPG its mortal enemy

It all depends on the particular country's requirements.

A nation like Chad has a very limited rail infrastructure and almost no heavy equipment transporters, which are necessary for tanks and BMPs and the like.

Chad's logistics infrastructure is also very limited in the remote regions of the country where it has to do most of its fighting. Another thing absolutely necessary for tanks are workshops and adequate repair facilities.

Armoured cars like the Eland do not require heavy equipment transporters and do not have to be moved by rail.

They can self-deploy without consuming excessive fuel or breaking down repeatedly, which is what would happen if you tried to drive say, an Abrams or a Leclerc from one side of the Aouzou strip to the other without using a transporter.

They do not require a large amount of maintenance equipment or sophisticated workshops like tanks. For example, you can easily take an Eland's turret off with a chain on a tree. This will not work with a tank for obvious reasons.

They use much more cheap commercial parts and automotive components which are readily sourced and do not have to be flown in from a central depot or some specialised company overseas.

And best of all they can be driven and repaired easily by people from rural areas who lack formal education or technical knowledge. These people currently make up the majority of Chad's armed forces. It is ten times easier for somebody from the nearest wadi village and maybe two weeks of very basic mechanic instruction to take an Eland's engine apart or repair its chassis as opposed to a tank and a heavier vehicle with several different wheel stations.

In addition, most of Chad is sand or packed dirt. Tanks would be more mobile if there was a lot of mud and swamps, but there isn't. Armoured cars can go to the furthest regions of Chad except maybe the mountainous areas without difficulty, and respond to a rebel offensive in these regions much quicker than a tank/BMP/heavy wheeled vehicle like the Centauro.

That is not to say that armoured cars like the Eland are best in every situation, however.

They are not suitable for a country which 1) has lots of rough, muddy terrain and few roads, 2) is faced with the prospect of a major conventional war involving an enemy using their own tanks and heavily armoured vehicles, or 3) is developed enough to have a large fleet of transporters, a developed rail network, and thousands of well-trained tank mechanics.

I have always maintained that it is not my desire to present vehicles like the AML/Eland as an ideal asset on any modern conventional battlefield. They are increasingly obsolete and I feel more of them need to be in museums or in the hands of collectors like myself.

However, in this particular case they have continued to work well in lieu of more heavily armed and armoured vehicles, per the reasons above.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by fabselad(m): 10:56pm On May 27, 2017
PIC 1- CAMEROON NAVY SHIP
PIC 2- BIR SURVEY BALLON.
PIC 3- BIR DRONE SURVEY OF BH CAMP
PIC 4- BIR DRONE SURVEY OF BH CAMP ATTACK

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by bidex111: 12:44am On May 28, 2017
newafricaken254:
this is what happens when you buy cheap APC's from china(with no under belly armoured V-shaped hull)because its the poor man son,your send to the front line : kenya army WZ 551 APC after an IED strike


oh my GOD.......................... shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 1:08pm On May 28, 2017
Everybody wants to be a sniper! At what level should he be deployed? Section,/platoon,coy or battalion? This is determined by the distance which in turn is predicated upon by his unit's frontage,which isn't set in stone for motorised or mechanised warfare.


Typically a coy AO will have a frontage of 500 max 800 m and a battalion anything from 2 to 5 km. Mind you,these figures do vary,depending on threat level,terrain,enemy formation and other factors.
Imo,a sniper at the section or even coy level is too much. I'd go for a DMR guy,NOT SNIPER in each section,using a different variant of the same rifle as everyone else. eg,if all have SCARS,the DMR dude will have the SCAR SSR-if FN then the DMR variant,etc etc.

Imo,the snipers are a true elite shooting over 10 even 20k rounds annually and shouldn't be misused as infantry. Therefore they'd have an independent platoon sized unit,including own armourers,spotters and security attached to the battalion level operating under the commanders discretion. Since we've enough 7.62s at the firing line I'd give them .338 Lapuas,.408 Cheytacs and the multical Denel NTW 20 firing rhe 14.7 and 20 mm.

The first ranging out to 1.5 km will allow the sniper greater range over opposing 7.62 mm armed shooters. The Cheytac will shoot straight up to 2k m but lose much impact. The NTW 20 will take over and also penetrate MRAPS,LAVs and armoured cars up to 1 k.
What says thread members?

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 1:10pm On May 28, 2017
Btw,the KDF actually retired their sniper units in 79 but around a decade ago revived it. They had to get a Brit sniper to retrain them in long forgotten skills.

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:43pm On May 28, 2017
rafale egypt AF

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