true2god: If the girl was not technically kidnapped, y cant dey transfer the lady to law enforcement agaent, y take laws into ur hand cos ur a powerful person in the society.

true2god:
If the girl were to be Tinubu's daughter do u think the emir will still have the gut to keep her in his custody?

true2god:
Can 'exonoration' of the emir was based on the fact they tot emir wil keep to the agreement by transfering the girl to the gov lodge as agreed which he didnt later fulfil hence CAN has evry right to be suspicios of the emir's ulterior motive. U need to understand that diplomatic languages must be used in negotiations like dis, u dnt expect CAN to start accusing the emir while they make plea to hav a girl back frm his custody.

true2god:
And remember it had never been reported in history that the Igbos kill cos of religion nor have any member of any Igbo family lost his\her life for switchin religion

true2god: The allegation of threat was made to tighten the rope that separate the family frm the girl.

true2god:
If i may ask, if an Igbo chief keep custody of a fulani girl under any circunstance dnt u think dat there would have been killling of Igbos in the north. Dnt talk as if u live in Germany and not a Nigerian.

true2god:
I pray one day u hav a daughter and u dnt face this trauma the parents are presently facing.

Wayne County Minnesota - Rehab Amer was found innocent of responsibility for death of her 2 year old son (1985). But too late - her children must remain as Christians with adoptive family.

On Tuesday, a judge cleared the birth mother, an immigrant from Lebanon living in Dearborn, of responsibility for her 2-year-old son's 1985 death. The death led Michigan authorities to give her three young children for adoption.

The evangelical Christian adoptive mother of a Muslim couple's three children says birth parents should be glad of the upbringing she gave the children, who were removed after the suspicious death of a sibling

BetaThings:

Again I say no matter how powerful, the Etsu is not more powerful than the president who is a close buddy of CAN president
Let the dad, CAN and others report to the police. Is it really that difficult? Let us hear the police version!
An adult does not need to transferred to law enforcement agent as an adult even if I have eloped with a lover



I don't want to drag personalities into this.
President Jonathan has never spent 4hours attending a function organised by or for Tinubu
But president Jonathan spent 4hours at Pastor Oritsejafor's event last year



Exoneration was about "is the Etsu keeping the girl against her will?" CAN said "No, Etsu did not kidnap the girl"
And you have ignored (I should say conveniently) the report by a fellow Igbo convertee who said she spoke with the girl and reported that the girl is acting in free will



A rich Igbo family can do really terrible things to their daughter and people who can squeal will be paid handsomely to keep quiet. People have been known to forcibly marry off their daughter to somebody she does not like because the girl who tries to convert and elope with a guy
This can happen in every part of Nigeria!

Religion is a much more touchy thing in Igboland than amongst the Yorubas
And in these days of BH, it will be much more stigmatised
I can show you the thread on NL where Igbos promise to deal with their brethren who convert. They may not infact do the worst things they promise, but the person will have a very very hostile treatment.



And the girl's family allegation that she was kidnapped is true? And she could not have told the fellow Igbo lady who phoned her to "please send people to rescue me?"
How many kidnap victims are allowed to use the phone and describe the location of where they are being held?



I am a Muslim but you have to realise that that what you describe is not the recommended reaction by Muslims
I would recommend that if they sincerely believe that this is a kidnap case, they should petition the IG
and I can assure you that these folks are much more enligtened about the law and procedures than me anyway

true2god: @ BetaThings, the Northerners fear\respect their emirs than any president, even Obama. The British understands this better dats y the indirect system workd perfectly there. I tell u this matter will take a political dimension if there is direct intervention by GEJ, even GEJ advised the lady be kept at the Niger state gov house which the emir refused.

true2god:
Of course a lady can elope with her lover, are u insinuating that that might be the case here? It seems both of us are reasoning alike here.

true2god:
But y must the person of the emir, a respect custodian of islamic culture be involved. I dont think islam sanctiond a lady eloping with a boy\manfriend.

true2god:
And i can confidently tell u dat it had never been on the record dat the Igbos harm anyone who converts to Islam.

true2god:
U might be a Yoruba\Nigerian muslim and u may knw dis apostate\blasphemy law in saudi.

BetaThings:

What political dimension? 2015? I remember how GEJ addressed traditional rulers when he went to Borno
Please look it up youtube Channelsweb
All GEJ needs to do is ask the IGP to investigate.



I am not insinuating anything. I brought it up that even if such is the case which I would never support, the law enforcement agents cannot force the girl to come out of that place



If the girl was truly kidnapped, we know what the media, the Human rights people (who besieged the Senate recently) would have done!



People who convert might not be physically harmed. But they can be psychologically harmed
Infact this girl now has some psychological baggage. People can be ostracised and treated in a manner that they will live to regret



This is why I don't like discussing issues like this here. Who told you I am Yoruba? I am a Nigerian. I have no reason to apply Saudi law on this matter. Christians have been openly converting Muslims in this country for decades. Saudi law is irrelevant!

BetaThings:
This is why I don't like discussing issues like this here. Who told you I am Yoruba? I am a Nigerian. I have no reason to apply Saudi law on this matter. Christians have been openly converting Muslims in this country for decades. Saudi law is irrelevant!

true2god: Can u see the difference bw civilization and savagery?

A Christian couple, who recently married of their own will and converted to Islam, was gunned down by family members in South Punjab in yet another case of honour killing.

"The Doctrine of Discovery said that if Christians came upon a land that was inhabited by non-Christians, the Christians had title to the land and should enslave the people. So, fundamentally, it was a doctrine of domination, of Christian superiority or supremacy. And it said, in its interpretation, that indigenous people didn't have souls, that they weren't full human beings and therefore should be enslaved."

They were snickering like schoolboys. They had commissioned the Special Forces interpreter, an Iraqi from Texas, to paint a legend across their Bradley’s armor, in giant red Arabic script.

“What’s it mean?” asked Humphrey.

“Jesus killed Mohammed,” one of the men told him. The soldiers guffawed. JESUS KILLED MOHAMMED was about to cruise into the Iraqi night.

The Bradley, a tracked “tank killer” armed with a cannon and missiles—to most eyes, indistinguishable from a tank itself—rolled out. The Iraqi interpreter took to the roof, bullhorn in hand. The sun was setting. Humphrey heard the keen of the call to prayer, then the crackle of the bullhorn with the interpreter answering—in Arabic, then in English for the troops, insulting the prophet. Humphrey’s men loved it. “They were young guys, you know?” says Humphrey. “They were scared.” A Special Forces officer stood next to the interpreter—“a big, tall, blond, grinning type,” says Humphrey.

“Jesus kill Mohammed!” chanted the interpreter. “Jesus kill Mohammed!”

A head emerged from a window to answer, somebody fired on the roof, and the Special Forces man directed a response from an MK-19 grenade launcher. “Boom,” remembers Humphrey. The head and the window and the wall around it disappeared

And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do.
Qur'an 6:108

true2god: Can u see the difference bw civilization and savagery, tolerance and intolerance?

true2god: @ RoyPCain i like ur intelligence but i hate ur hypocricy

Daily Trust investigation revealed that Christian faithful such as the Anglican, Roman Catholic and Pentecostal worshippers have befitting places of worship in the university campus, which was constructed by the university authority. There were a series of letters written by the Students and addressed to the National Universities Commission, Rivers State governor, the office of the Vice Chancellor, as well as the Supreme Council for Islamic affairs to intervene in the matter. Despite all these letters no action was taken to remedy the situation.


The recent in the illegal acts of the authorities of the University occurred on 25th of January 2012. While the Muslim students were observing their morning prayers, some officials of the university came and forced their way into the makeshift Mosque that was erected by the Muslim students, and in a gestapo manner these officials started demolishing the structures. The makeshift structure was brought down and some Muslim Students were arrested and handed over to the Police.

Ustaz Oloyede, the Imam of Muslim Community and chairman of welfare, League of Imams and scholars, Rivers State chapter told Daily Trust in Port Harcourt that the Muslim community in the State have explored all the avenue for dialogue to ensure that the Muslims in the university are carried along in the scheme of things. He said that having failed to achieve that through dialogue, the Students decided to seek legal action in the matter.

The court thereafter granted the applicants prayer and in a Judgment delivered on 19th February 2013 by Justice Akanbe ordered the university authority to allocate a piece of land to the Muslim students for the purpose of construction of their Mosque. Since the judgment was delivered the university authority has refused to comply with the judgment, as the students are yet to secure a place of worship in the university.

Outrage as principal flogs pupil for wearing hijab

A pupil on the assembly, who pleaded anonymity for the fear of reprisal, said Aishat was given no fewer than 43 strokes of the cane.

She said, “At about 4pm on that day; we had closed before we heard that there was an emergency assembly.

“The principal addressed us and warned that if we didn’t stop putting on religious outfit during the school hours, we were going to get into trouble. She subsequently called on Aisha and gave her about 43 lashes.

“Some of us started crying on the assembly. Her body was covered with marks of the cane. The principal had warned us before, but that day was more serious.”

Aisha told our correspondent that since the school had closed, she thought that the principal’s warning would no more apply

true2god: @ RoyPCain i like ur intelligence but i hate ur hypocricy

Case A
A community bans mobile phone to check cases of girls eloping with men. Somehow Islam became a victim although the community never mentioned religion as the reason for their action.

It is instructive to note that when we point out atrocities committed by Christians, we are asked to point out where the culprits claimed to be acting in the name of religion.
Such subtlety was dispensed with by Christians on the thread as they proceeded to lambast Islam

Case B
On the other thread. A Reverend decided to conduct virginity test on girls in her school. Religion never featured in the discussion

true2god: Can u see the difference bw civilization and savagery

http://www.punchng.com/politics/crossfire/muslims-are-being-cheated-akintola/

In Lagos, Islam was introduced around 1725 and there were Islamic schools all over Lagos. There is no record that the Muslims fought anybody before they introduced Islam in Lagos. But there is record that the British bombarded Lagos with guns and the people of Lagos ran helter-skelter. Houses were burnt, people were killed by the British. When it was unbearable, the Oba of Lagos surrendered. The British, who were Christians, forced themselves and their religion on Lagosians. Then they introduced their education and their uniform.

In 1894, Lagos Muslims boycotted British schools. They withdrew their children from the schools because they were being taught the Bible; they were being forced to convert; they were being taught Christian history and literature. And their parents said they want the Quran; they want Arabic.

by true2god: 3:48pm On Aug 10
@ RoyPCain i like ur intelligence but i hate ur hypocricy. For your information there is presently a mosque in rome, the home and source of the catholics. I can tell u confidently dat if any roman citizen converts to Islam nobody will harm him\her.

And i can tell u sincerely that there is no single cathedaral in saudi arabia and if any muslim converts to xtainity, the law made it mandatroy that such a person should be killed according to koranic injuction. Can u see the difference bw civilization and savagery, tolerance and intolerance? I hope u r aware of the blasphemy law in pakistan that make it a capital offence for anyone to insult prophet mohammed which had led to loss on lives among muslims and minority xtains in pakistan? I hope u r aware that an imam desecrated the koran and hide it on a small xtain girl's bag for her to be charged for blasphemy and executed. If u r familiar with international news this wont be strange to u.

true2god: @ BetaThing u said and i quote, 'There is no record that the
Muslims fought anybody before
they introduced Islam in Lagos.
But there is record that the
British bombarded Lagos with
guns and the people of Lagos ran helter-skelter. Houses were
burnt, people were killed by the
British. When it was unbearable,
the Oba of Lagos surrendered.
The British, who were Christians,
forced themselves and their religion on Lagosians.'

Pls can u tell me hw Islam came to the north and the role uthman dan fodio playes in the propagation of islam? And equally tell me me source of ur history u mentioned above.

http://www.punchng.com/politics/crossfire/muslims-are-being-cheated-akintola/

In Lagos, Islam was introduced around 1725 and there were Islamic schools all over Lagos. There is no record that the Muslims fought anybody before they introduced Islam in Lagos. But there is record that the British bombarded Lagos with guns and the people of Lagos ran helter-skelter. Houses were burnt, people were killed by the British. When it was unbearable, the Oba of Lagos surrendered. The British, who were Christians, forced themselves and their religion on Lagosians. Then they introduced their education and their uniform.

In 1894, Lagos Muslims boycotted British schools. They withdrew their children from the schools because they were being taught the Bible; they were being forced to convert; they were being taught Christian history and literature. And their parents said they want the Quran; they want Arabic.

true2god: @ BetaThing

Pls can u tell me hw Islam came to the north and the role uthman dan fodio playes in the propagation of islam? .

Uthman was born in the Hausa state of Gobir, in what is now northwestern Nigeria. His father, Muhammad Fodiye, was a scholar from the Toronkawa clan

by true2god: 9:26pm On Aug 11
@RoyPCain, vatican city was carved out of Italy (in 1929) and i can tell u dat some yrs back it was part and parcel of Italy. Vatican city is the smallest country in whole world, 44 hectares and at the centre is st peter basilica which almost covers the entire city, together with the adjoining chapels.

So now, how do u want a mosque to be built inside st peter's basillica. The era of jihadist conquest is gone where conqured holy shrines are converted to Islamic holy shrines e,g the mosque presently at the temple of solomon in east jerusalem was conqured from the jews and turned to a mosques. The palestian now try to use east jerusalem as their future capital which the israelis and the US has vowed to resist, even if it leads to great conflict.

From experience, it is only the muslims dat have transformd old religios relic, be it a christian church, buddist temple, hindu temple to a islamic holy shrine after its conqured. So hw do u xpect the Italians in dis modern era to allow a mosque at st peter's basilica. Ur argument is always of a typical hypocritic muslim.

No xtain will expect a church built at the cite of the black stone dome in mecca where pilgrims are alleged to literaly stone the devil (if i can only assume dat their is a devil to be stone in mecca, which confirmed the presence of the devil there. But i can tell u dat saudi arabia as a country much more bigger dan italy as a whole with many big cities.

Pls dnt compare saudi with vatican city.

golpen: Islam did not reach the northern Nigeria through usman dan fodio. The existence of islam has been in documentation in hausa land since the 9th century, and then became a major religion during the time of mai idris aloma in the 15-16th centuries. The usman dan fodio you talk about came about in the early 19th century, so you need to go back to your school books.

The crux behind the warfare you talked about has been explained by @betathings.

BTW, when you go through your searches of how islam was truly propagated, pls read about how christianity treated people by killing and molesting them while propagating. We may help with some references too.

golpen: Islam did not reach the northern Nigeria through usman dan fodio. The existence of islam has been in documentation in hausa land since the 9th century, and then became a major religion during the time of mai idris aloma in the 15-16th centuries. The usman dan fodio you talk about came about in the early 19th century, so you need to go back to your school books.

The crux behind the warfare you talked about has been explained by @betathings.

BTW, when you go through your searches of how islam was truly propagated, pls read about how christianity treated people by killing and molesting them while propagating. We may help with some references too.

true2god: Kindly note that presently there is Islam in south east and south south but in a very insignificant number.


Take a scenario whereby an 'asari dokubo' decided to ransack the entire south east and south south in order to establish islam fully as an official religion, thats exactly wat uthman dan fodio did. U knw this, so dnt embark on damage control in order to giv the evil actions of uthman dan fodio a good outlook.

Usman dan Fodio was proclaimed Amir al-Muminin or Commander of the Faithful in Gudu. This made him political as well as religious leader, giving him the authority to declare and pursue a jihad, raise an army and become its commander. A widespread uprising began in Hausaland. This uprising was largely composed of the Fulani, who held a powerful military advantage with their cavalry. It was also widely supported by the Hausa peasantry who felt over-taxed and oppressed by their rulers. Usuman started the jihad against Gobir in 1804.

The Fulani communication during the war was carried along trade routes and rivers draining to the Niger-Benue valley, as well as the delta and the lagoons. The call for jihad not only reached other Hausa states such as Kano, Katsina, and Zaria, but also Borno, Gombe, Adamawa, Nupe, and Ilorin. These were all places with major or minor groups of Fulani alims.

After only a few years of the Fulani War, dan Fodio found himself in command of the largest state in Africa, the Fulani Empire. His son Muhammed Bello and his brother Abdullahi carried out the jihad and took care of the administration. Dan Fodio worked to establish an efficient government grounded in Islamic law. After 1811, Usman retired and continued writing about the righteous conduct of the Muslim belief. After his death in 1817, his son, Muhammed Bello, succeeded his as amir al-mu’minin and became the ruler of the Sokoto Caliphate, which was the biggest state south of the Sahara at that time. Usman’s brother Abdullahi was given the title Emir of Gwandu, and he was placed in charge of the Western Emirates, Nupe and Ilorin. Thus, all Hausa states, parts of Nupe and Ilorin, and Fulani outposts in Bauchi and Adamawa were all ruled by a single politico-religious system. From the time of Usman dan Fodio there were twelve caliphs, until the British conquest at the beginning of the twentieth century.
Religious and political impact

Many of the Fulani led by Usman dan Fodio were unhappy that the rulers of the Hausa states were mingling Islam with aspects of the traditional regional religion. Usman created a theocratic state with a stricter interpretation of Islam. In Tanbih al-ikhwan ’ala ahwal al-Sudan, he wrote: “As for the sultans, they are undoubtedly unbelievers, even though they may profess the religion of Islam, because they practice polytheistic rituals and turn people away from the path of God and raise the flag of worldly kingdom above the banner of Islam. All this is unbelief according to the consensus of opinions.”[6]

In Islam outside the Arab World, David Westerlund wrote: “The jihad resulted in a federal theocratic state, with extensive autonomy for emirates, recognizing the spiritual authority of the caliph or the sultan of Sokoto.”[7]

Usman addressed in his books what he saw as the flaws and demerits of the African non-Muslim or nominally Muslim rulers. Some of the accusations made by him were corruption at various levels of the administration along with injustice regarding ordinary people's rights. Usman also criticized the heavy taxation and obstruction to the business and trade of the Hausa states from the legal system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uthman_Dan_Fodio

http://www.punchng.com/politics/crossfire/muslims-are-being-cheated-akintola/

In Lagos, Islam was introduced around 1725 and there were Islamic schools all over Lagos. There is no record that the Muslims fought anybody before they introduced Islam in Lagos. But there is record that the British bombarded Lagos with guns and the people of Lagos ran helter-skelter. Houses were burnt, people were killed by the British. When it was unbearable, the Oba of Lagos surrendered. The British, who were Christians, forced themselves and their religion on Lagosians.

true2god:

Ok history apart, xtains have over 10,000 different denominations and more 20 established biblical interpretation while the muslims have less than 10 denominations and diffrenet koranic interpretations. Hw many times hav u seen a different xtain denomination bombing another cos of their diffrent biblical views. But this happens almost on a daily basis in many Muslim countries, even during ramadan dats just concluded recently, sunnis are still bombin shia muslims in Iraq, Ahmadiyyas cant worship freely in Indonesia cos of fear frm mainstream muslims, let alone xtain minorities.


So u get wat im saying?

laughter Inside Churches, Hospitals, and Schools
Thousands of[b] Tutsis tried to escape the slaughter by hiding in churches[/b], hospitals, schools, and government offices. These places, which historically have been places of refuge, were turned into places of mass murder during the Rwanda Genocide.

One of the worst massacres of the Rwanda genocide took place on April 15-16, 1994 at the Nyarubuye Roman Catholic Church, located about 60 miles east of Kigali. Here, the mayor of the town, a Hutu, encouraged Tutsis to seek sanctuary inside the church by assuring them they would be safe there. Then the mayor betrayed them to the Hutu extremists.

true2god:
Take a scenario whereby an 'asari dokubo' decided to ransack the entire south east and south south in order to establish islam fully as an official religion, thats exactly wat uthman dan fodio did. U knw this, so dnt embark on damage control in order to giv the evil actions of uthman dan fodio a good outlook.

true2god:
Ok history apart, xtains have over 10,000 different denominations and more 20 established biblical interpretation while the muslims have less than 10 denominations and diffrenet koranic interpretations. Hw many times hav u seen a different xtain denomination bombing another cos of their diffrent biblical views. But this happens almost on a daily basis in many Muslim countries, even during ramadan dats just concluded recently, sunnis are still bombin shia muslims in Iraq, Ahmadiyyas cant worship freely in Indonesia cos of fear frm mainstream muslims, let alone xtain minorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_massacre
The St. Bartholomew's Day massacre (Massacre de la Saint-Barthélemy in French) in 1572 was a targeted group of assassinations, followed by a wave of Roman Catholic mob violence, both directed against the Huguenots (French Calvinist Protestants), during the French Wars of Religion

Though by no means unique, it "was the worst of the century's religious massacres." [2] Throughout Europe, it "printed on Protestant minds the indelible conviction that Catholicism was a bloody and treacherous religion"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion
The French Wars of Religion (1562–98) is the name of a period of civil infighting and military operations, primarily fought between French Catholics and Protestants (Huguenots). The conflict involved the factional disputes between the aristocratic houses of France, such as the House of Bourbon and House of Guise (Lorraine), and both sides received assistance from foreign sources.

The exact number of wars and their respective dates are the subject of continued debate by historians; some assert that the Edict of Nantes in 1598 concluded the wars, although a resurgence of rebellious activity following this leads some to believe the Peace of Alais in 1629 is the actual conclusion. However, the Massacre of Vassy in 1562 is agreed to begin the Wars of Religion and the Edict of Nantes at least ended this series of conflicts. During this time, complex diplomatic negotiations and agreements of peace were followed by renewed conflict and power struggles.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/northireland1.html
Political separation of Northern Ireland from the rest of Ireland did not come until the early 20th century, when Protestants and Catholics divided into two warring camps over the issue of Irish home rule. Most Irish Catholics desired complete independence from Britain, but Irish Protestants feared living in a country ruled by a Catholic majority.