hotwax: Sir were, I used my phone. Phones dont have luxury of paragraphing or text auto-correcting. You wont know that cuz you are a stack illiterate.


I thought I was helping you. Educating you on what you dont know. AGama lizard, always nodding your head even if you are wrong. You mention intellectual circles. Please dont insult them. You are a taboo to them.

hotwax: The issue is, Oro is rite/ritual performed by many cult, yoruba groups, traditional council. Thats the fact. I know it hurts when someone is corrected in the public. But summon courage and accept the fact. Its embarrasing actually.
There is no prayer cult in Church. Prayer is a ceremony or an event. Even a primary school boy knows this.

hotwax: I told you omo ale that oro is being performed by balawo too. Cant you read and understand? Your case is pathetic. Your lecturer is nurturing lunatic patient. I feel sorry for him.

hotwax: I thought I mention Oro rituals is done for many reasons. Annual prayer for the town, protection during war, protection for the town during epidemics. Please read yoruba history and stop arguing. Oro is not meant for war only. Must you argue ?

You are very sick. Who is this guy? You just keep disgracing yourself. Ogun Ife-Modekake has been on since 1956. Please go to core yoruba states and know the importance of oro. and stop basing it on Ikorodu Lagos where Yoruba culture has been erazed. I know thats where you are confused. Oro is an annual thing in Ile-Ife for Ife protection. It is my town. I lived there for 20 years. Dont f**cking argue with me on that. A hardened nonentity.

hotwax: Guy I need to know you personally. You are saying the samething I am saying. Whats your argument here? Just wanna argue argue argue. You even argue against yourself.

hotwax: F***cking trash. Tell that to your dad who wasted his hard earn money to send to school. And please stop insulting intellect. You keep mentioning "Intellect". Abegiii

Bring it on. I am here for you today. I wont let you confuse outsiders or my fellow Yorubas.

Akainzo:

I am a stack illiterate, yet I write better than you, use grammar better than you, understand report writing better than you and use a better smartphone than you! Haba, in short, your education is wasted!

You level of reasoning is depicted in your analogy as you cannot differentiate between rituals and meditation. You however, need not try to correct me seeing as you know nothing about what you speak of. By the way, a primary school kid knows that "Yoruba" is a noun and therefore the "Y" must be capital, yet you do not know that!

So prayer is meditation? I can see where your problem is. You can meditate on an issue. There are two different things. You can meditate on a problem using prayer. The more you reply, the more you make foooool of yourself. Prayer i not meditation. Meditation is a form of prayer. Hahhh Oga oooooooooooo

Good news, this lunatic patient is more educated and knowledgeable than you.

Its obvious from your comment above.

You are very pathetic, your summation that Yoruba culture has been erased from Ikorodu just confirms your stupidity.

Only one more thing from me: Read my posts and when I see any intelligent reposte, I will educate you more.

Yes. Its obvious from your post that your knowledge of yoruba culture is second to nothing. I will say it again. Lagos is a modern city, cuture and tradition has disintegrated unlike Oyo and Osun. You know this, why prove me wrong?

You even cannot comprehend simple sequence of points/opinions? Haba! We are definitely NOT saying the same thing! read my post, s-l-o-w-l-y.

Yes sir, eat whatever makes you happy.

As usual, you go back to your gutter roots.[size=14pt][b] English you no fit comprehend[/size], grammar you no fit write na only abuse full your brain. Get any dictionary, you will see the meaning of intellect there, or you can simply google it. Abi your phone no fit do google too?[/b

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That is why meditation=prayer. Dindinrin. You really know English. Dr. Englishman.

Althought hate corrections, but I will still correct you.

med·i·ta·tion
/ˌmedəˈtāSHən/
Noun

The action or practice of meditating: "a life of meditation".
A written or spoken discourse expressing considered thoughts on a subject: "his letters are meditations".

Synonyms
contemplation - reflection - reflexion - thought


prayer
/pre(ə)r/
Noun

A solemn request for help or expression of thanks addressed to God or an object of worship.
A religious service, esp. a regular one, at which people gather in order to pray together.

Synonyms
orison - request - entreaty - petition - plea


rituals plural of rit·u·al (Noun)
Noun

A religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order.
A prescribed order of performing such a ceremony, esp. one characteristic of a particular religion or church.


[size=18pt]Now tell us the difference between prayer, ritual and meditation. Dr. Englishman.
Oyinbo pepper

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Akainzo:
Looking at your wrting style, I can deduce that you have either never done a scholarly research and thus have no idea how put out a report and thus you do not know what a "Paragraph" is, what "Making a list", and how to logically put out an reasoned thought. You are a failed graduate if you were a graduate at all.

You are the one that is a disgrace to graduates with your inability to write simple comprehensible post, not knowing the proper way of writing Nouns and lacking the general depth of reasoning. You need to go and learn!

pastor prosper :
if thus is another lie to discredit a true man of God then may your days on earth forever be desolate, if its true that d man was a cultist parading as a pastor, may death, curses, HIV cancer, AIDS, be his and his familys forever.

buyAride:
@hotwax + Akainzo:
Reading what both of you have written, counting the number of GRAMMATICAL "GBAGAUN", "Tense-somersaults", e.t.c.... l must say that both of you are a disgrace to the English Language!
if both of you claim to be "University Graduates", then something is terribly wrong with Nigerian Educational System!
None of you two can even compose a single paragraph without spelling errors or putting past tense in place of present tense or just outright structural "gbagaun" in your statements!

But since "Grammar" is not the essence of this discussion, we should let it pass (and l hope both of you who are even more guilty of these nonsense, will also let it pass?).

Now, to the real issue: Oroo as a "Cult group" ...and/or Oroo as a "Ritual"?

Truth is both of you are RIGHT!

Oroo (that word) can be used to reference a "Cult Group" ..which actually it is.
That is why it is not open to every one, does it things in secret or at Night and has specific ways of doing its activities.

Oroo (that word) can also be used to reference the series of "activities", (called Rituals by 'closed groups') performed by such group in carrying out their intentions.
That "activity" which they do at night... (at times its done in day time if its just a 'repetitive, preventive, general cleansing of the environment but when more "difficult tasks" (which may involve life and blood) are being tackled, it is usually done at night) .... and you hear the sound of the Oroo (I still have my the apparition we 'they' swirl around to make that "vuuuu. ...vuuuuuvuuuumm" sound O woo'feere, O'ku feere..! ) is called Oroo.
Yes, the ritual/activity is Oroo, as used in that context.

The "closed group" (controlled by the top echelon members of ile oloro family) can be considered a cult... in the grammatical sense and definition of that word.
The group itself is Oroo, in that context. Oroo cult or whatever you want to call it

So my friends, all your arguments are NOT necessary.
Oroo as a word can be used to represent the Group or the Ritual, depending on the context of usage... and both are correct.

buyAride:

@hotwax + Akainzo:
Reading what both of you have written, counting the number of GRAMMATICAL "GBAGAUN", "Tense-somersaults", e.t.c.... l must say that both of you are a disgrace to the English Language!
if both of you claim to be "University Graduates", then something is terribly wrong with Nigerian Educational System!
None of you two can even compose a single paragraph without spelling errors or putting past tense in place of present tense or just outright structural "gbagaun" in your statements!

But since "Grammar" is not the essence of this discussion, we should let it pass (and l hope both of you who are even more guilty of these nonsense, will also let it pass?).

Now, to the real issue: Oroo as a "Cult group" ...and/or Oroo as a "Ritual"?

Truth is both of you are RIGHT!

Oroo (that word) can be used to reference a "Cult Group" ..which actually it is.
That is why it is not open to every one, does it things in secret or at Night and has specific ways of doing its activities.

Oroo (that word) can also be used to reference the series of "activities", (called Rituals by 'closed groups') performed by such group in carrying out their intentions.
That "activity" which they do at night... (at times its done in day time if its just a 'repetitive, preventive, general cleansing of the environment but when more "difficult tasks" (which may involve life and blood) are being tackled, it is usually done at night) .... and you hear the sound of the Oroo (I still have my the apparition we 'they' swirl around to make that "vuuuu. ...vuuuuuvuuuumm" sound O woo'feere, O'ku feere..! ) is called Oroo.
Yes, the ritual/activity is Oroo, as used in that context.

The "closed group" (controlled by the top echelon members of ile oloro family) can be considered a cult... in the grammatical sense and definition of that word.
The group itself is Oroo, in that context. Oroo cult or whatever you want to call it

So my friends, all your arguments are NOT necessary.
Oroo as a word can be used to represent the Group or the Ritual, depending on the context of usage... and both are correct.

montezz: Incredible...and u expct me 2b goin 2 church.

whytnblack:

Might be true tho.

igbsam: 80% of Nigerian pastors belong to one secret cult or the other. Am not surprised. Like I use to say to my friends, the church is in the heart and not some enormous and gigantic buildings called worship centers. I'd rather stay in my house and say my prayers the little way I can and then ask for the holyspirit for understanding the Bible.

Akainzo:

I am a stack illiterate, yet I write better than you, use grammar better than you, understand report writing better than you and use a better smartphone than you! Haba, in short, your education is wasted!




You level of reasoning is depicted in your analogy as you cannot differentiate between rituals and meditation. You however, need not try to correct me seeing as you know nothing about what you speak of. By the way, a primary school kid knows that "Yoruba" is a noun and therefore the "Y" must be capital, yet you do not know that!




Good news, this lunatic patient is more educated and knowledgeable than you.




You are very pathetic, your summation that Yoruba culture has been erased from Ikorodu just confirms your stupidity.

Only one more thing from me: Read my posts and when I see any intelligent reposte, I will educate you more.




You even cannot comprehend simple sequence of points/opinions? Haba! We are definitely NOT saying the same thing! read my post, s-l-o-w-l-y.



As usual, you go back to your gutter roots. English you no fit comprehend, grammar you no fit write na only abuse full your brain. Get any dictionary, you will see the meaning of intellect there, or you can simply google it. Abi your phone no fit do google too?

delors:
Ayatollah, you are super dumb! Yeah. The super is necessary to emphasize your height of dumbness. I didnt say you shouldnt comment on my post, I mean, thats why we post comments here. I pass comments on people's posts - comments and topics, i welcome the same. But from nowhere, you just jumped on me begging me to use my brains when in actual fact I had been. Shouldnt you brain tell you I was using mine? To make matters worse, you comment didn't even flow with the topic under discussion. That's where I suppose you should use your own devil's given brains. Or what do you think?
and for the Bible passage you quoted initially, even the devil (oro members) can quote the Bible...and thanks to Google, you can easily google a verse out...I aint fo.ole.d by that...Rest abeg.

Ravenwolf: Wharrabout those pepo that went to his so called "church"? What are they doing now? Are they all cultist as well? The man looks evil anyways and we shouldnt be surprised! Jesus warned us of wolves in sheep clothing! Listen pepo do not follow pastors blindly o!

pastor prosper :
if thus is another lie to discredit a true man of God then may your days on earth forever be desolate, if its true that d man was a cultist parading as a pastor, may death, curses, HIV cancer, AIDS, be his and his familys forever.

B_CELLS: What profits a man dat gains the whole world&loses his soul to 'oro'?RIP pastor

alexleo:

And if his church members has been using god of Ajanaku and god of my pastor in their prayers (like chosen church members), by now it would ve dawn on them that they had actually been praying to the traditional god of their pastor rather than the almighty Jehova. I hope chosen members will learn from this and stop the god of my pastor prayer that they pray. We have not learned so of Christ.

ZACHIE: I go with Akainzo here. First, what ingredients constitute a cult in Africa trado worship?
secrets and secrecy.
esoteric knowledge that must be guarded
oath of allegiance to the seceets
initiation into it.

are all these present in Oro? Yes.
are they present in some higher Egungun? yes.
are they present in some higher Eyo? Yes.
rites of passage, especially at death,demands some rituals.
those rituals are only a subset of a larger organ. but, you must belong to have those rituals performed...
.like it or not.
aje ke lana, omo ku lo ni.....

hotwax: I know you are a graduate. Is someone administerng holy comunion in the a cultist? Oro is an heritage of a town tradition council. Oba gives the approvl. Oba can stop it. The performer are just steward. Oro is not a religion, no cult. Since when has Easter or xmas becomes a religion. Oro is a festival/rituals. And every odua land performs it. Oro has no member. No member no member. You can't join them. You have to belong to the family that does it. We have abor :executioner". They kill/execute people. They r not a cult group. You can't because of power join oro people. Yet you claimed you know something whereas u know nothing. Oro is evil, oro don't give power to people oro uses human blood
. There are things I can't say here just because I wann argue. Anyway I am out of this thread. No point in argueing.

riddo2: this is cicumstantial evidence. It does not mean he worship oro or belong to any secret cult before his demise. On the other hand, he might came from oro family, oro might even be the deity of his ancestors. Certainly they will do it to eulogise his heroic deed even though the bereaved children, wife and the deceased does not worship oro. They won't stop oro, rather they will leave oro worshipers to do whatever they want or like. So let us think ambiguously. Do not judge. Judgement is of God, the Creator of the universe.

Akainzo:

I will not make any points as regards your grammar or your attack on my person, as you do need to check your post.

The cult is called "Oro" and not "Oroo".
Irrespetive of the usage of the word "Oro", that it can be used to denote the rituals of the cult , or the cult itself, we cannot both be right. Hotwax expounds that Oro is just a ritual while I have clearly maintained that Oro is a cult [i] irrespective [/i]of there method of ritual.

True that what most people see is the rituals, I am happy that you quite clearly know that they are indeed a cult.

debbleopto:

if you like cover smoke with ur hand or use your hand to blow away the gas from your anus so that people won't smell. Even the king giving the approval is a leader in the cult practice. Nairalanders don't be deceived, anytime this oro festival which is ritual done by cultist an individual is always caught in the night either a woman or a stranger just coming into the community is usually sacrificed to the demon ruling the community usually called alaleile. They usually use sword to cut of the head. sometimes when the women refused to come out, the evil spirit will. disturb the mind of a lady to go out and do something. She will just be restless in her mind until she go out and it will be a coincidence when the pro carrier are passing and they will use. afose ( command of the tongue ) to hold her. they do this same thing in many parts of Nigeria only that. it. is not with festival. He is a great one that he can deceive many and not be caught. Ajanaku mori nkan firi, erin laka tabu. Looking at his pic where he wore black on black and crossed his fingers with symbol of pyramid of Egypt, these are occultic posture. Omode o mogun o npe lefo. Eru agba.