nuclearboy:
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What truly amazes me is that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who had problems with Francis Chan allowing the Holy Spirit pre-eminence by stepping to the side to take focus off himself, comes from CEC PLC: - they prefer the Spirit of God to go sit down outside somewhere else

nuella2:

@Image i said pretenders not pretender. People that feel holier than others are known to be pretenders as they do the worse in the pretence of wearing long shirts and brown trousers. They are also known for their wickedness, gossip,envy and unforgiving attitude. They most times self-service in the morning and use candles,as we have caught several before, then clean their mouths and throw the first stones at others. Am yet to see any congregation holier than another, if your own is pls give me the name of the church. Let me attend it for one month if i will not give you the list of sins they commit there in a daily basis.

Image123:

WHERE IS JOAGBAJE WHEN YOU NEED HIM!
@nuella
I said you referred to me as brother and pretender, your defense is that it's 'pretenders' not pretender.
What's with your description of 'holier than yous', are they overwhelming you? I don't remember mentioning them, or are you one of them, because you seem to have a lot to say on that issue. A christain sister moving around in the mornings, catching SEVERAL males in brown trousers self-servicing using candles. What's all these? Abeg no corrupt people for here o, this is the religion section haha? You should be queried in church for this despicable hobby. This must be one of the downsides of females frequenting male residents in the guise of visitation. Repent o nuel.

nuclearboy:



Fabulous response and truly worthy - it is "amebo"

Just like God too was doing "amebo" when He said "Cry aloud, spare not. Tell my people their transgressions and show Zion her sin", abi?

You can't handle truth and none of us blame you - your progeny had the same problem

nuclearboy:

all the morons who think calling someone "boy" is an insult forget that the kingdom of heaven is made of such children and even Jesus wanted them to come to Him.

Your Sin, Aunty CEC PLC, is found in your own words and Image123 has shown them to you - how the abundance of your heart (and otherwise generosity) has you knowing all the guys who self service and what they wear and how they do it.

You called it "Amebo" since its your body and your life. Else, you'd have just said NO, that's not what you meant.

nuclearboy:

I should use Google to find out where the saints of old went

So google is now the Word of God that has the answers? Una get serious wahala for CEC PLC.

And I hear - Abel (justified by faith before God) was floating around Christ Embassy until Abraham died at which point, he took cover in that august gentleman's bosom.

Your masquerading as born-again Christians is so so exposed more and more

nuclearboy:



Pavlovian reaction! Stop calling me "man". Please call me what you first did i.e. Boy.

We boys don't do what your CEC PLC "men" do with you every morning that you confessed earlier to Image. So please don't add me to the MAN gang

Joagbaje:

Have you ever heard pastor chris insult any minister on tv or print media as Some other ministers do? Never. It's based on spiritual maturity and respect for the body of christ.

nuclearboy:



Pavlovian reaction! Stop calling me "man". Please call me what you first did i.e. Boy.

We boys don't do what your CEC PLC "men" do with you every morning that you confessed earlier to Image. So please don't add me to the MAN gang

I am an adult, i can talk about anything including sex , not pretenders like you guys. Brown trouser is the uniform of so called holy pretenders. I have them in my office, stinginess no go let them buy soap.

See as our holy brother turn am upside down. you that claim holy directed it to me. What do you know about me, amebo.

My point remains no church is holier than another, if yours is call the name, its that simple.

Has it reached this level of quarrel, in the name of Jesus When did the apostles get born again? Pls let's get back to topic.

Image123:


@JoagbajeHow convenient of you? get back to topic, that's the escape right? i thought the OP had been answered. It;s your answers we're awaiting. i know you'll ask as usual, "what questions?" delay tactics, thumbs up and be good this week.
gain? And i do hope you are born again?

In summary (with a few variations), the “born again Jesus” gospel teaches that Jesus died two deaths, one physically upon the cross and the other spiritually in hell. He literally became sin on the cross, taking on the very nature of Satan, thereby being stripped of His Deity. He was ushered into hell where He was tortured for three days and nights by Satan and his demons, was reborn or “born again” in hell, reclaiming His Deity and finally rising bodily from the dead. Our redemption was not secured on the cross, but in hell. In fact, many Faith teachers claim that Christ's torture by all the demons of hell was a "ransom" God paid to Satan so that He could get back into a universe from which He had been banished.

“He allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell as if He were the most wicked sinner who ever lived … Every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him … [They] tortured Him beyond anything that anybody has ever conceived … In a thunder of spiritual force, the voice of God spoke to the death-whipped, broken, punished spirit of Jesus … [in] the pit of destruction, and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life … He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles … Jesus Christ dragged Satan up and down the halls of hell … Jesus … was raised up a born-again man … The day I realized that a born-again man had defeated Satan, hell, and death, I got so excited … !”

“The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, “Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let your tradition trip you up.” He said, “Think this way — a twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.” And I threw my Bible down… like that. I said, “What?” He said, “A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.” He said, “You are the very image, the very copy of that one.” I said, “Goodness, gracious sakes alive!” And I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said, “Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean, that I could have done the same thing?” He said, “Oh yeah, if you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could have done the same thing, ’cause you’re a reborn man too.”

3If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

6But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

nuclearboy:

On the cross, Jesus promised the thief they'd be together in His Kingdom that very night.

This single scripture destroys Copelands assertion above because if Jesus went to hell that day as Copeland wishes we believe, was that the promise He made to the thief? Is Jesus then a liar, that fooled the thief taking him to hell rather than the heaven He promised?

But same scripture goes further and also destroys the decisionism gospel because we do not see the thief accepting Jesus as Lord & Savior and "claiming" salvation but just asking for mercy. This then is salvation - an absolute gift of God, not based on your claims but the state of your heart and the Grace of God.

It beats imagination how Paul could write "run the good race" and "work out your salvation" yet supposedly educated people will believe they won that race at the beginning (simply by saying Jesus is Lord) rather than the end when they cross the tape. Jesus used parables that babes understood. The Apostles and Bible examples worked out their salvation; living for God i.e. They "died" to self and Jesus lived through them. Their actions were His, they gave of themselves for love rather than gain, not once do we see a "senior" and in fact, Christ Himself said the greatest would be the servant, not the big man on the stage who "ordains" those who he has discipled and then calls them pastors, evangelists, etc.

It was the over-confidence possessing religious guys that always missed it.  In Jesus day, they held on to men's traditions and today, they still insist it is them that is alive and thus claim the world as their right and expect God bend to their will.

Deep calleth unto deep so its expected - those of the world will chase and call unto the world even if in their mouths, they say a different thing. God already told us they honor Him with mouth but their hearts are far from Him.

Let those who have ears hear

donnie:

When you read the king James, bear in mind that in the original Greek we didn't have punctuations.

Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

See what happens when you move the coma from after the word 'thee' to after the word 'To day'.

Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day, thou shalt be with me in paradise.

donnie:

Bear in mind also that Jesus did not go straight to heaven from the cross, He descended into hell because he bore our sins.