The King is within his right to alter aspects of culture as the supreme custodian of same. After all, it must have taken one king to institute the contentious aspects of tradition that this present king is trying to abrogate. If one king could institute a tradition of worshipping a particular deity, why then do we feel that another king cannot abrogate that tradition?

The king is an absolute ruler traditionally and his word is law within his domain. A monarchical setup is not democratic. The king RULES over his SUBJECTS. If this was back in the days of yore, these protesters will be charged with high treason and the king would have their heads on pikes in no time.

Besides, if the gods anointed the King and he has decided to turn his back on them, can't the gods fight for themselves? Is that not the same thing we accuse radical muslims of doing i.e fighting for their God?

This people should stop heating up the polity unnecessarily.

Reptyle: The King is within his right to alter aspects of culture as the supreme custodian of same. After all, it must have taken one king to institute the contentious aspects of tradition that this present king is trying to abrogate. If one king could institute a tradition of worshipping a particular deity, why then do we feel that another king cannot abrogate that tradition?

The king is an absolute ruler traditionally and his word is law within his domain. A monarchical setup is not democratic. The king RULES over his SUBJECTS. If this was back in the days of yore, these protesters will be charged with high treason and the king would have their heads on pikes in no time.

Besides, if the gods anointed the King and he has decided to turn his back on them, can't the gods fight for themselves? Is that not the same thing we accuse radical muslims of doing i.e fighting for their God?

This people should stop heating up the polity unnecessarily.

The king is the custodian of the land,he represents the people's traditions and ordinances that have been passed down from generations and those traditions are not christian themed.I strongly believe in transformation of traditions,but i also strongly abhor the idea that a foreign tradition like christianity is the way forward for africans to attain mental,spiritual and physical salvation.

Traditions are man made,they are dynamic and they are ways of life of a people that is passed on from generation to generations.There are nothing supernatural or superstitious about them,rather they are just ways for people to express their cultural heritage,precedences and stamp their originality as living creatures that thinks for themselves.

redsun:

The king is the custodian of the land,he represents the people's traditions and ordinances that have been passed down from generations and those traditions are not christian themed.I strongly believe in transformation of traditions,but i also strongly abhor the idea that a foreign tradition like christianity is the way forward for africans to attain mental,spiritual and physical salvation.

Traditions are man made,they are dynamic and they are ways of life of a people that is passed on from generation to generations.There are nothing supernatural or superstitious about them,rather they are just ways for people to express their cultural heritage,precedences and stamp their originality as living creatures that thinks for themselves.

for the first time on nairaland, you put on your thinking cap.

The king in question is a foursquarian. He has been on the throne for over 20yrs.

What this King is doing is a very bad omen, because Christianity is preventing Africans from seeing the internal god from inside themselves as all homage is given to forces outside the continent.

Horus: What this King is doing is a very bad omen, because Christianity is preventing Africans from seeing the internal god from inside themselves as all homage is given to forces outside the continent.

Very true, we eed to change our mindsets

Reptyle: The King is within his right to alter aspects of culture as the supreme custodian of same. After all, it must have taken one king to institute the contentious aspects of tradition that this present king is trying to abrogate. If one king could institute a tradition of worshipping a particular deity, why then do we feel that another king cannot abrogate that tradition?

The king is an absolute ruler traditionally and his word is law within his domain. A monarchical setup is not democratic. The king RULES over his SUBJECTS. If this was back in the days of yore, these protesters will be charged with high treason and the king would have their heads on pikes in no time.

Besides, if the gods anointed the King and he has decided to turn his back on them, can't the gods fight for themselves? Is that not the same thing we accuse radical muslims of doing i.e fighting for their God?

This people should stop heating up the polity unnecessarily.

No. Go and read about the pre-colonial system of government in Nigeria. The kings were not absolute rulers. Don't confuse the monarchy in this part with the absolute monarchy you have in other parts.

At the peak of the Oyo Empire, even the Alaafin could not do as he wished because he had the OyoMesi (Council of Chiefs) to contend with.

Ask yourself, no be some people dey crown the king?

In any case, I won't be in support of replacing traditional worship with christianity or islam.

[/color][b][/b]Yes, like every other person would say "It's too autocratic" considering that UN declaration of Human Rights and also recalling that the our Country is a multicultural nation. We are thereby obliged by the law of the land to absorb the spirit of others and encourage Religious Pluralism. [color=#000099] BUT it is also neccesary to note that you cannot judge the deepness of the pond from the outside. During the Pre-colonial days, twins were killed in the name of pacifying the gods of the land in some regions of this country; today it's history because somebody stood up against all odds to put a full stop to it. We can say "it was neccesary" but we forgot it was an infringement of freedom of worship. Some traditions have this fetish practise of burying Kings with bunch of other human heads( you'll never see it from the outside). Insiders are only aware! This King might have saved a life with this bold step...it could be anyone! Anyone... Truly every King is appointed by God!

In my opinion, it is a truely inspired move. The king knows that the surest way to quick development is to totally upturn the system. The people need to stop depending hopelessly on 'impotent nothings' and start doing something with their brains. Education and idol worship are at opposite ends, and time is of the essence. If those 'nothings' are removed from sight, it's easier to trigger a movement in a positive direction.

I reckon he has gone 'overseas' and has seen for himself how advanced the society is. Those people protesting are majorly petty traders, farmers, hunters, fishermen...etc feeding from hand to mouth; whereas people half their ages in other parts of world are designing circuits for space technology. The gap in status is enormous. It seems even impossible to bridge.

The king must have also known that dialogue will certainly meet a brickwall. The people have been so deeply engaged in idol worship, that it appears suicidal to talk them out of it. Hence, his bold move.

In summary, his primary motive was development and he should be encouraged. It is an act of love not hatred or mischief, but they are too myopic to understand this. Other monarchs who wish to see their kingdoms emancipated from similar mediocrity should emulate the king and save their people from perpetual penury.

Pukkah: 1. Why did he become the king if the practices did not agree with his Christian beliefs? Would he have been made the king if the kingmakers had known that he would destroy the traditional religious system? Does that mean the king played along only to begin to destroy the very platform he mounted to prominence? This looks like fraud and is unChristian.

2. The king is not the owner of the traditional religious system. He is a mere representative of the people and the gods. He cannot do as he wishes. There is an embedded system of democracy in our traditional political system. If he believes that some practices are bad or need to be reformed, he has to address them in conjunction with his Council of Chiefs and the Priests. If he's doing it alone then it appears the king is an authoritarian.

3. If the king is unable to get the buy-in of the people that he represents to change their practices, he should step down from the throne because the throne is not his personal property. If he refuses, it appears the king wants to eat his cake and have it.

4. Who brainwashed the king into thinking that any religion is superior to the other? How many other parts of the world are destroying their own system so as to pave way for foreign beliefs? The black man does not stop to amaze.

5.There are traditional rulers in Nigeria that have become Christians or Muslims and have stopped the traditional religious practices on a personal level without destroying the traditional religious system. In this case, this king appears like a destroyer of systems - political and spiritual.

6. How would this king feel if another future muslim or hindu king changes everything all over again to suit his personal beliefs? Oh King, you're free to change your personal beliefs (in line with the constitution) but not that of your entire people.

7. I implore all good people and subjects of this king to resist this barbaric and insensitive move by this inconsiderate and opportunistic king to destroy their age-old religious and political systems without their consent.

Shut Ignoramus Professor, You are free to worship anything you wish to worship in your bedroom.. You can even pull your boxers and hang it on wall and bow to it in prayers...
No one will arrest you


Dissociating himself from fetish gods does not stop whoever is pleased in worshipping river or stream or sputum...

Reptyle: The King is within his right to alter aspects of culture as the supreme custodian of same. After all, it must have taken one king to institute the contentious aspects of tradition that this present king is trying to abrogate. If one king could institute a tradition of worshipping a particular deity, why then do we feel that another king cannot abrogate that tradition?

The king is an absolute ruler traditionally and his word is law within his domain. A monarchical setup is not democratic. The king RULES over his SUBJECTS. If this was back in the days of yore, these protesters will be charged with high treason and the king would have their heads on pikes in no time.

Besides, if the gods anointed the King and he has decided to turn his back on them, can't the gods fight for themselves? Is that not the same thing we accuse radical muslims of doing i.e fighting for their God?


This people should stop heating up the polity unnecessarily.

You expect a smelly river to fight a whole King¿

a river where people go to wash their undies, boxers, smelly socks, ??..

Please somebody should tell the king that he is no longer worthy of that throne having accepted Christ..Why should he impose his new found religious views on other people with traditional views...Let him use his brain instead of his head.

Acidosis:

Shut Ignoramus Professor, You are free to worship anything you wish to worship in your bedroom.. You can even pull your boxers and hang it on wall and bow to it in prayers...
No one will arrest you


Dissociating himself from fetish gods does not stop whoever is pleased in worshipping river or stream or sputum...

It's a pity that you resorted to insults rather than address the issues raised.

Personal attacks indicate lack of power of reasoning. Insult is the manifestation of cluelessness. Abuse is the evidence of ill-breeding and ignorance.

Let me know when you're ready to have a mature, decent, and sensible discussion.

They all refuse to admit that God by whatever name he goes by is has faulty as his creation.. or is it the other way round

deeptesting: Please somebody should tell the king that he is no longer worthy of that throne having accepted Christ..Why should he impose his new found religious views on other people with traditional views...Let him use his brain instead of his head.

Ignorance (one word for you)..

Who told you the position of a King is meant for Idol worshippers?
Where are you from?

Do you know Ekiti state unlike most fetish kings in the west has over 5 known Kings who do not take such nonsensical idol stuffs... They are plain believers who preach the gospel..

I've met one personally, a christian and a preacher..
He goes about preaching the word.. He has single-handedly dealth with the so called idol people in his land (spiritual ofcourse) that some witches made some shocking confessions and they all flee the land.
This king is a great prayer warrior and a Pastor.

and you know what? he fears no one..
Lol.. One time he said, before he became the king, its a great crime (that equates instant death) for the king of his land to meet the Ewi of Ado-Ekiti. All his great fathers never visited the state capital as they are liable to die
(what a laughable religion)..

In short, my King drove his car personally to Ewi's palace immediately after his coronation.. . na so Ewi of Ado come dey shout 'ewo, ewo..' meaning abomination...abomination

Its over 5years now and my King is still standing and bouncing
and development is all over the community.. the kind of development they've never seen before..

Again Mr man, Have you heard of the National association of christian royal fathers?
with Obi of Agbor (same Delta) as President??

Again, you are so ignorant ...
Go back to the cave where you belong and worship my table.. Its made with wood - your god..

Funny.
Animist worship is not exclusive to Africans. Africans are not the first people on the planet to have worshipped fire, wood, wind, dog, cat, mouse, or worreva.
Even Europeans worshipped any and everything they came across, before they embraced first Christianity, and now atheism (or what they called Enlightenment).

Maybe Egypt's issues stem from their abandonment of Osiris and embrace of Allah?

So long as the King makes productive contributions to society, no problem with what he's doing. Unlike some other tribal monarchs who still slaughter their indigenes all in the name of deity worship. Horseshyt I say . It's not about what you worship, or don't worship. However, try worship something wey make sense jare, dog/cat/wood/sun/rain worship, or human sacrifice isn't really an option for a people who want to progress

He's free to take or join any religion he so desires but it's unacceptable for him to change age long tradition. The king should be removed.

Akamu and Stew: The King is a PURE IDI0T!!

There's freedom of worship and association.

He is free to practice whichever religion he desires but he has no right whatsoever to prevent others from practicing theirs.

The king is a pure ILLITERATE and a RELIGIOUS BIGOT.

Those who support him are also illiterate religious bigots.

I'm Sunday-Christian but I've got friends from various religions even atheists and agnostics.

it is your generation that is stupid.......thunder fire every atom of your bloodline idiot...

Akamu and Stew:

Is it right for the king to Ban Traditional Religion??

Yes or No..

him no ban am @ op y u dy mislead people him choose say him and he family no go do juju again abi u read any part when d king say make pple when d king force people make dem leave juju......... him b king and no b slave to any religion

[quote author=Pukkah]1. Why did he become the king if the practices did not agree with his Christian beliefs? Would he have been made the king if the kingmakers had known that he would destroy the traditional religious system? Does that mean the king played along only to begin to destroy the very platform he mounted to prominence? This looks like fraud and is unChristian.

2. The king is not the owner of the traditional religious system. He is a mere representative of the people and the gods. He cannot do as he wishes. There is an embedded system of democracy in our traditional political system. If he believes that some practices are bad or need to be reformed, he has to address them in conjunction with his Council of Chiefs and the Priests. If he's doing it alone then it appears the king is an authoritarian.

3. If the king is unable to get the buy-in of the people that he represents to change their practices, he should step down from the throne because the throne is not his personal property. If he refuses, it appears the king wants to eat his cake and have it.

4. Who brainwashed the king into thinking that any religion is superior to the other? How many other parts of the world are destroying their own system so as to pave way for foreign beliefs? The black man does not stop to amaze.

5.There are traditional rulers in Nigeria that have become Christians or Muslims and have stopped the traditional religious practices on a personal level without destroying the traditional religious system. In this case, this king appears like a destroyer of systems - political and spiritual.

6. How would this king feel if another future muslim or hindu king changes everything all over again to suit his personal beliefs? Oh King, you're free to change your personal beliefs (in line with the constitution) but not that of your entire people.

7. I implore all good people and subjects of this king to resist this barbaric and insensitive move by this inconsiderate and opportunistic king to destroy their age-old religious and political systems without their consent.[/quote
1....your ignorance of the itsekiris (warri kingdom) is in millions of hectares
2....if you are a christian and you read your bible carefully,you will know that the 1st punishment of God to israel is as a result of their worship of a golden calf.
3......what technology/innovations has ATR to contemporary life....lol ask okija and mbatse.
4......to answer your numba 1 kweshion...were is the place of change in your dictionary, because Terah(abram)father was a pegan,did abram follow his footstep?
5.....the olu of warri is incharge of the itsekiri nation as david was incharge of the israelite and he led them in the way of God as the Olu is doing.
6....the itsekiri people are strongly bhind him,so for ignorance sake dnt be brainwashed like some few warri youths are because idol worship has brought us nuffin but ak47s for militancy
finally,change has come to stay, the itsekiris has declared OGONO FOR JESUS all the way.

Pukkah:

Sadly so.

Just imagine a response like the following one:



What would be their reaction if a governor/president did the same thing to Christianity?

The rights of worship of everybody (pagans, muslims and christians) must be protected.

If you rejoice at what the king is doing today then you should not complain when it's the turn of your own belief system to be assaulted.

we the Itsekiris love and support our kings decision we are not complaining,and besides he never forced anyone to become a christian, all he said was "the royal linage has been dedicated to Jesus,like joshua did in the bible"choose ye dis day whom ye will serve as 4me and my house(olu of warris lineage)we will serve the Lord. idol worship was forced on africans by greedy warriors who wamt to gran power by all means,thus it was the easiest means of power,money and respect,but we have seen the light which is JESUS CHRIST,wont you rather bank with us...
end time tinz.

Akamu and Stew:

Very dumb...

What a DUNCE!!!

actually you are the dunce because the first olu of warri (don domogos) the 1st was the first king in nigeria to be baptised,did i forget, he was also the first nigerian university graduate.
so please recharge your brain or your lack of information will set in your deformation DUNCE DUMDEE.......

asamaigho: it is your generation that is stupid.......thunder fire every atom of your bloodline idiot...

|mbecile....

asamaigho: actually you are the dunce because the first olu of warri (don domogos) the 1st was the first king in nigeria to be baptised,did i forget, he was also the first nigerian university graduate.
so please recharge your brain or your lack of information will set in your deformation DUNCE DUMDEE.......

You just confirmed again that you're a real DUNCE.

MUMU like you...

Danhumprey: Not you! Don't tell me you have joined that annoying crews who have gone about spamming the forum with that quote!

And what about her? The ways most of U parade yourselves by carrying yourselves high at times makes me wonder if we all not Nigerians again? I was banned 3times last week just because I used the clause that we are experiencing signs of end time thinGs, Nigerians should learn to accommodate others irrespective of their stubbornness & now, back to the topic of discussion.
I won't want to say much but will illustrate the invasion of the white man religion in the photo below-:

The King has rescinded his ill-thought out decision to renounce the Ogiame title.

http://www.tribune.com.ng/news2013/index.php/en/component/k2/item/21297-olu-of-warri-rescinds-decision-on-ogiame-title.html

Where are those ranting and supporting the king?

Where are those who countered us that the king's decision was right?

Where are those who said that Warri is an ancient christian kingdom?

In this part, the king does not own the people or the tradition, he's merely a representative which can be dethroned.

I salute the courage and tenacity of Itshekiri people for standing firm on the side of their tradition and not feeling inferior in the face of the onslaught of Western culture, belief, and tradition.

The question now is, 'how does this opportunistic and over-zealous king hope to combine the 'pagan' title with his newfound religion? How?

He should not hunt with the hounds and run with the hare. He should simply drop the towel so he can go set up a church or become a pastor. His new religious fervour must not allowed to waste or mixed with traditional practices.