theoctopus:

What? Where did you get that from? You are a real clown!!!

Some people who dont like Margaret Thatcher are now the Britons? You no dey disappoint!!!

Clerverly:

Did anyone else notice that this Never-Do-well mentioned 40 years while conveniently leaving out the last 13years of PDP misrule

berem: What is this one yapping?


London police are bracing for protests at
Margaret Thatcher’s funeral on Wednesday, with
opponents vowing to pelt her coffin with eggs,
coal or milk if they can get close enough — or
simply turn their backs on the passing
procession.
More than 800 people have pledged to attend an
event called “Maggie’s good riddance party”,
promising a “right jolly knees-up” outside St
Paul’s Cathedral — where 2,000 global political
leaders, celebrities and friends will be paying their
respects to the former British prime minister.
“Let the world know the hypocrisy of a state-
funded funeral for the person who influenced 30
years of cuts to state funding of welfare,” the
protest’s Facebook page reads.
“If taxpayers are funding her funeral… we can at
least get our money’s worth.”
The former Conservative Party leader’s death has
sparked furious debate in Britain over her legacy
— and over the decision to grant her a state-
funded ceremonial funeral, which by some
estimates will cost the taxpayer up to £10 million
($15 million, 12 million euros).
Her more radical critics, who accuse her of
ruining millions of lives with her radical free-
market reforms, greeted news of her death from a
stroke last week with impromptu street parties.
Hundreds of people filled London’s Trafalgar
Square on Saturday, erected a giant effigy of her
and shouted “Maggie, Maggie, Maggie! Dead,
dead, dead!”

theoctopus:

What? Where did you get that from? You are a real clown!!!

Some people who dont like Margaret Thatcher are now the Britons? You no dey disappoint!!!

theoctopus:

My dear Berem, 800 people cannot be classified as "the Britons". Which kind school you go sef!

Celebration of deaths I talked about is a practice that spans the whole of what we call southern Nigeria and middle belt. Only core Northern Nigeria can be exempted! Na wa!

ballabriggs:

Mr, there were loads and loads of people who had no sympathy for Tatcher in death. Those who felt excluded by her policies, most especially in the north of England, Yorekshire and the Liverpool areas where the mine workers did reside. As can be seen from Tatcher's case, is that such lack of sympathy is inherent when people feel they have been excluded in a society. In the case of Nigeria where majority have been excluded by leadership, such traits will surely exist. How do you sincerely expect majority of people who cannot afford air travel to sympathise with victims of an air accident who they see as their oppressors. The joke is on you Omokri!

berem: You absolutely don't know what you're talking about. Stop eating too much of Octopus my friend!

theoctopus:

1. Thatcher's case does not even have any bearing on our discussion because Thatcher is just one case. I just replied her because I wanted to show her her short sightedness. I refered to a mindset and practice that spans more than half the entire country and is something that we do, not just to politicians but even to our family members. We eat, drink and dance in burial ceremonies of even our family and friends. It has no connection with the thatcher story.

2. The Britons as a people dont do that in their burial ceremonies. The point is simple enough, I dont need to stretch it. The argument is baseless

ballabriggs:

Why does Thatcher's case not have any bearing here? In Western Societies built on freedom of choice, it is not uncommon to see people not sympathising over ones death. It is their choice, there is nothing you can do about it.

The case of funerals is a cultural thing. Our funerals are like carnivals, more of a celebration of life. I do agree that some people fight over food and drinks at such celebrations which can be linked to poverty. When people do not know where the next meal will come from, they see such celebrations as a place to get filled. The British ceremonies from Weddings to Funerals are very formal celebrations and you do not expect the type of fanfare we see in our own to be in theirs.

GustavoFring:

Lies.

ballabriggs:

Why does Thatcher's case not have any bearing here? In Western Societies built on freedom of choice, it is not uncommon to see people being unsympathetic over ones death. It is their choice, there is nothing you can do about it.

The case of funerals is a cultural thing. Our funerals are like carnivals, more of a celebration of life. When my Grand Pa died, I had to do a traditional dance with a sword. Does that mean I had no sympathy over his death? Will the British people dance when one dies? I do agree that some people fight over food and drinks at such celebrations which can be linked to poverty. When people do not know where the next meal will come from, they see such celebrations as a place to get filled. The British ceremonies from Weddings to Funerals are very formal celebrations and you do not expect the type of fanfare we see in our own to be in theirs.

theoctopus:

It is ridiculous that you always blame cultural flaws and bad value system on poverty! Shame!

shachris03: it would be unfair to train a child as an animal and expect him to act as a gentleman.

ballabriggs:

You probably attended the arrangee marriage of your brother in Peckham and you think all British wedding ceremonies are done the same way. When you attend a proper British Wedding ceremony you can comment. A traditional ceremony in Britain is very formal with boring speeches from the beginning till the end of the ceremony. We don't have time for that as Africans, we eat, drink and dance all through the ceremony. Ours is a carnival.

Omen100: The worst of it all is the unseen physical battles being fought between the Igbos + Ijaws against any other tribes who speaks against the erroneous policies of president Jonathan's lead administration, to the length that their own regional fellows are being addressed as betrayers just because they are not from the same philosophical schools of thoughts, even my elder brother do call me sometimes a traitor just because I acquired the Yoruba political philosophy.

I am an Urhobo by tribe but my elder sibling sees me as Itsekiri because the Itsekiri shared the political philosophy

PointB: Bluntly speaking, if they could afford a chartered craft to ferry the dead, they should have at least gone for pretty better one.
It's sad that Nigerian, and perhaps one or more who had nothing to do with the dead were caught up in the tragic incident. May they rest in peace!

The 'coldness' or indifference with which certain tragedies (especially of the rich) is viewed, is far dissociated with poverty, but rather due falling premium placed on (Nigerian) lives occasioned by impunity which mass murderers (especially Islamists, Jihadists, Boko Haram, Kidnappers, Militants. etc) have been left to run rampage for a very long time. Unraveling violent crimes, and punishing murderers and there sponsors - with capital punishment, and generally stemming the atmosphere of impunity for murders will go along way into addressing this indifference we associate with tragic deaths.

As per the argument that the gulf between the rich and poor is widening, more evidence is needed to support it. As contrary to the Op's submission, this gulf is actually shrinking as the Nigeria middle class (the bridge between the rich and poor) is actually growing. The growing number of social network users, is actually an indicator of this growth, not a sign of widening gap. A quick search for Nigeria middle class churned out the attached page:

theoctopus:

You know these guys like to throw fake statistics around and they always dwell on the negative because it gives them an escape route for their failures. For example, compare and contrast the following statements

1. Nigeria has about 160 million population but

2. They say 80% of Nigerians live on 1 dollar a day

3. Nigeria has over 110 million active telephone lines

4. Over 50 million Nigerians have Internet access via their phones

5. Nigerians spend over 5 billion daily on recharge cards.

6. Nigerian urban cities like Abuja, Lagos and PH are expanding astronomically. Lagos has practically merged with Ogun. (Maybe our politicians are the ones living in all the new houses being built! )

So who are these people on less than a dollar a day?

GustavoFring:

You are clearly a joker.

Even When William and Kate got married, there where street parties all over the UK. You clearly know nothing about Britain except the road to the local ladbrokes judging by your username.

I dont wish to derail this thread, so let's leave it at that.

ballabriggs:

That some people go on the streets to have their parties does not make it the wedding ceremony. If you have a video of Kate's reception where there was a wild party like we have in Nigeria, please show or close your mouth. A typical British wedding like I said is very formal made up of speeches from the beginning till the end.

theoctopus:

You know these guys like to throw fake statistics around and they always dwell on the negative because it gives them an escape route for their failures. For example, compare and contrast the following statements

1. Nigeria has about 160 million population but

2. They say 80% of Nigerians live on 1 dollar a day

3. Nigeria has over 110 million active telephone lines

4. Over 50 million Nigerians have Internet access via their phones

5. Nigerians spend over 5 billion daily on recharge cards.

6. Nigerian urban cities like Abuja, Lagos and PH are expanding astronomically. Lagos has practically merged with Ogun. (Maybe our politicians are the ones living in all the new houses being built! )

So who are these people on less than a dollar a day?

GustavoFring:

Stop being silly. How many weddings have you attended to decide what a 'typical' wedding is? There are over 200 tribes in Nigeria with different customs when it comes to Marriage.

No two weddings are the same. Not everybody plans an Owambe with their weddings. Not all brits have very formal weddings. Your sweeping generalisations are making you look daft.

Enough of this nonsense and stick to the topic- this is not a thread for wedding planners.

Thanks for your compliance.

GustavoFring:

Stop being silly. How many weddings have you attended to decide what a 'typical' wedding is? There are over 200 tribes in Nigeria with different customs when it comes to Marriage.

No two weddings are the same. Not everybody plans an Owambe with their weddings. Not all brits have very formal weddings. Your sweeping generalisations are making you look daft.

Enough of this nonsense and stick to the topic- this is not a thread for wedding planners.

Thanks for your compliance.

ballabriggs:

You are ignorant, ignorant by a large extent. If you were intelligent enough, you will see my emphasis on a typical British wedding. I don't care what that marriage by contract you attended lookeed like. My talk here is about a typical traditional setting in Britain which is formal and far away from what a typical African will like his wedding to be. So shift if you have nothing to say biko.

PointB:

What crap is this one yapping about? What has Itsekiri, Urhobo and Igbo got to do with Nigerians 'insensitivity' to people who died trying to ferry the dead in a chartered aircraft? Must everything be seen from tribal lens?

Abeg park somewhere!

theoctopus: The @op is wrong. Nigerians are insentitive people. It is not a result of what they feel politicians have done to them. In fact, it is the other way around. It is because of their insensitivity that politicians could do such damage over a 40 year period. Starting from our streets, no one cares for the other person. Especially in urban cities like Lagos or PH. If you ask people on your street to come out so you all go and besiege the PHCN office to handle a transformer problem, no one will come out. When there is a national disaster and hundreds of lives are lost, people feel little or no remorse. They just say eyah, and continue with their jobs and beer parlor things. In other countries I have been to, people mourn for days on their own when they see such disasters. One simple thing that will tell you that Nigerians are insensitive people is this: Nigeria is the only country I know, where people drink and eat and celebrate when someone dies. Burial ceremonies are always a solemn thing everywhere in the world, but in Nigeria, people drink themselves to stupor and dance like its a birthday bash.

I find it a little disturbing that we have lost our values in Nigeria but everyone wants to lay the blame on politicians. Politicians themselves are simply fellow Nigerians who also have the same crooked value system like the rest of us, including everyone on this thread! The false claim that every politician is a child of the rich is always laughable. 70% of politicians I know came from poor backgrounds. They have become as corrupt and sometimes even more wicked, than politicians from rich homes. We all need to look hard into the mirror. Until we all accept that we are the problem, it will never change. The corruption on NL alone is a proof
of my position

maclatunji:

In essence, you would blame the people rather than the leaders who continually plunder and enrich themselves.

theoctopus:

The first error of your statement is that you think the people and the leaders are different. Until you hit yourself in the head with a mace and wake up from that sleeping position, you will never make progress! Nigeria has never being ruled by a foreigner since 1960!