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Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Pukkah: 2:42pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
The shameless team of ignoramuses think that the study of Ifa is a beer parlour talk. In trying to get at Aregbesola for whatever reason(s), they exposed their screaming ignorance and primitive intolerance. Ifa study is for intellectuals and it takes years to train a Babalawo. The meaning of Babalawo here is not the corrupted one that is being bandied around by African Magic films or Pastors or Imams. A Babalawo is a bundle of knowledge, tolerance and spirituality. There are several thousands of verses in the Ifa corpus many of which the average Babalawo must know by heart. Little wonder the United Nations has added Ifa to the World Heritage List. Is this a beer parlour talk? Children must be given an opportunity to know that Esu is not the same as Devil or Satan as the adherents of Christianity or Islam would want us to believe. If Esu is the same as Satan why then is Orunmila not interpreted as Jesus? How many adults even know this? How many people know that the Esu in Yoruba religion did not quarrel with or rebel against Olodumare (God)? The influx of foreign religions has emptied the brains of many people who deride, condemn and jeer at indigenous religion. They poke fun at others in their worship centres (e.g. Babalawo's power, powerless power o), yet complain and scream 'thou shall not judge' when commentators criticize Oyedepo or Adeboye. The Muslims are also not left out in the onslaught against practitioners of indigenous religion. Haba! What has happened to 'live and let live'? With this move, it just shows that Aregbesola is bold, deep and discerning. Kudos Rauf! 12 Likes |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Nobody: 2:51pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Standing5: Strangeauthourity really intoxicate. For being able to sow school uniform and download textbook, with exportation of satchet water this guy just got D impetus to do anything he likes. There are some issues u dont do even if no laws are against it. This issue of Ifa should be reserved mainly for D higher institution. And we have nt yet verified if its procedures wether it is harmful or barbaric as in D old days. This is an issue that involve physical idol and precision, roles ( i dont knw D english to put) should be termed spiritual subjects. They require and have d fact of personality determined decision, trust-oath, vow and more than a free-will issue. Also it has ability of unexplianable circumstances which is of dare concern! So D FG should try and ban that inclusion, the board of education and ppls consent should have been sought b4 this and a governor should nt have right to introduce any subject, becus we are all under nigeria's democracy and D other ppl have right to knw wht a section studies sinces its in D nigeria terriority. Matter that are unexplianable physically, humanly, through characteristics of hope, faith(believing) good workse.t.c.(nt magic, spells and D others which have encouraged corruption and intimidation) Should nt be given to children who are underage. Are there no ppl who can challenge senile decisions? 1 Like |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Nobody: 2:53pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Pukkah: Only fools come to NL without picking one or two new knowledge from this place in a day.... You've just opened up a new frontier into this topic. Esu after all is not the same as Satan according to what the Caucasian religion want us to accept... 3 Likes |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Pukkah: 3:01pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
ilugunboy: Oh yes. Esu was simply the victim of the interpreters' mental block. They pounced on him when they couldn't find something else to use for Satan or Devil. Why they didn't settle for 'Satani' or 'Defulu', rather than wrongly use 'Esu' beats me. However, when they got to the noble and divine work of Jesus, which aligns with Orunmila's mission on earth, their mental block cleared and they settled for 'Jesu'. Why didn't they use Orunmila? 5 Likes |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by malc619(m): 3:06pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
okunboy: So, more Babalawos will be produced in Osun! 1daful! How does that affect your pathetic and ignorant life?? |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by cKaiser: 3:08pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
[size=13pt]I have always opined that Ibos and Hausas are not any different in religious intolerance. Just like An Hausa would attack anyone who practises anything other than Islam, An Ibo would attack anyone who doesnt practise Christianity They deserve each other thats why they are always at each others neck like Slave and master[/size] In Yorubaland all religions are welcome, In all families you have Christians, Moslems and Traditional worshippers 12 Likes |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by tomakint: 3:44pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Katsumoto:The Ifa Corpus you are ranting about is not alien to me 'Mr Storyteller' you may keep your usual 'intellectual show-offs' to yourself I was only particular about exposing these 'future intellectual' to a broadbased deep subject as ifa at such tender age learning science is more beneficial than opele |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Pukkah: 4:00pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
tomakint: You have unknowingly made a foray into a complex area. Any connection between science and spirituality? What was the religion of the early scientists, eg Galileo, Copernicus, Pythagoras, etc? 5 Likes |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by cKaiser: 4:05pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
tomakint: Why not just tell the other states to expunged CRK and IRK from the curriculum too since Science should be more beneficial to pupils than learning about Bible and Koran 4 Likes |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Gbawe: 4:06pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Pukkah: Absolutely correct. As usual some will never confront their own intolerance and prejudice before they come here to make a fool of themselves. Look at the fascinating real life story below about Onaje and Folashade Woodbine and their devotion to learning Ifa spirituality and divination they have now developed as an app to assist those interested in Ifa divination. Inspect even the related tale of Bishop Lijadu who, exemplifying the famed religious tolerance of the Yoruba, doubles as an authority on the real essence of Ifa. I really despise ignorance mixed with intolerance and prejudice. Simply abhorrent and the cause of some of the biggest problems the World faces and will continue to face. In a world run by ideas, some continue to display bigotry, superficiality, ignorance, prejudice and intolerance regarding what they have no authority to judge. Regrettable to say the least. http://ifadivination./about/ Ifa Divination for iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by gerald09(m): 4:24pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Asoozy: Fantastic development!Great move by d governor, its time our children study our culture, dis doesn't mean the kids will start worshipping it, it just allows them know the history, culture and tradition of the people. I really don't see that as a bad thing, dey do study CRS, IRS dere already why shouldn't Nigerian culture too be studied. 2 Likes |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Leward(m): 4:26pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
abes:you seem to have forgotten the era of human sacrifices and diabological evil, if you've been slapped with one of these 'funnx diabological' rings before, you won't be spewing this nonsense. I'm from ibadan so i knw what i'm talking about. |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Katsumoto: 4:35pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
@ Gbawe That was a fantastic piece. I thoroughly enjoyed it. |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Katsumoto: 4:38pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
tomakint: Is learning science more beneficial than the learning you receive in church? I suspect you are a Christian? |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by gerald09(m): 4:40pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Ngwakwe: I was watching Channel TV documentary on Osun State educational revolution. One of the parents complained that the introduction of Ifa Studies will proliferate the number of Babalawos within the next two years.I don't get what she means by "babalawos" I use to fink dat the "street meaning" was a spiritual priest in Yoruba language. So those pastors too are "Babalawos" cos they spiritual priest. For a woman that lives in d state can condemn such action It show how much western/middle eastern religion has eating into us. Take a look @ asia countries they study dere culture in schools/universities and they among the world greatest so is either we deceiving ourselves or...... I rest my case. 2 Likes |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by abes(m): 4:43pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Leward: You obviously don't know what you are talking about, you are from Ibadan and so what? what has practicing Ifa got to do with human sacrifice? Foreign religions have really messed up the minds of our people. |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Ngwakwe: 4:46pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Stop this nonsense. Igbos do not attack other ethnicity, Muslims or traditionist neither do they issue threats for difference in opinions. cKaiser: [size=13pt]I have always opined that Ibos and Hausas are not any different in religious intolerance. |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by MayorofLagos(m): 4:46pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
First, Gbawe, nice piece on the Woodbines and Bishop Lijadu. Reading that Odu Im able to reflect on my own moments of handicap in past encounters and gaining wisdom on the virtue of trust, tolerance, patience and growth. It is soothing to the troubled spirit. Second, tomakint, what is science? 1 Like |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by MayorofLagos(m): 4:54pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Ngwakwe: Stop this nonsense. Attack here is not limited to just physical blows. The verbal assault and insult of other people's cultural beliefs contain within in it an emotional state of mind which if the right circumstance permits could be extended into physical expression. You have not dealt blows because the circumstance is not in your favor to do so. Ibos and Hausas are the problems of religious intolerance in this country. You dont tolerate Hausa, they dont tolerate you. You dont tolerate Yoruba but our tolerance is indifferent to you. 1 Like |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Ngwakwe: 5:07pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Define tolerance in this context. Please, can you give us a verifiable example of intolerance exhibited by the Igbos (ethnic group) in any circumstance against any other ethnic or religious group? Mayor_of_Lagos: |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Nobody: 5:18pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Ngwakwe: Define tolerance in this context. Your intolerance doesn't have to be physical .....you don't have the capacity to do physical violence like the Hausa/Fulani. But your utterances so far here have shown how intolerant you are to other religious view aside Christianity...your borrowed religion. If you have the capacity to unleash violence on adherents of other religions....you will do it gauging from your utterance here. 3 Likes |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Olaolufred(m): 5:18pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Sincere 9gerian: Your own idolatry is insincerity. And it is worse than Learning IFA as a subject. While I do not support idolatry of insincerity, I do support fairness. If there is CRK, IRK. there's nothing bad in having IFA religious knowledge. 1 Like |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Ngwakwe: 5:29pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Your are talking of people's opinions which are individualistic. Igbos hardly hold one opinion among them which is a major obstacle to our political strength in Nigeria I am certain and can affirm to the best of my knowledge that Intolerance (ethnic or religious) is not a trait of the Igbos. ilugunboy: |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by tomakint: 5:35pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Katsumoto:Don't commit the fallacy of taking all religion to be one, they are not! Allah is not the same thing as Yahweh (Hebrew God Christians worship) neither is Olodumare (god of esin abalaye) the same as the christian God. Science is good and to an extent complement religion but religion appeals to spiritual things while science is logic. I am a christian and you? |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Nobody: 5:36pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Ngwakwe: Your are talking of people's opinions which are individualistic. Ngwakwe.... Learn to walk your talk of Live and let Live The way some of you castigate religious views that are different from your religion of Christianity is not a good virtue. You abuse those that practices Islam....you abuse traditional faith believers..... 1 Like |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Gbawe: 5:45pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Katsumoto: @ Gbawe You're welcome. It really is abhorrent how Nigerians take no deep pride in their own culture and heritage. Ironically, there are so many like the Woodbines keen to appreciate what we discriminate against and prejudicially malign for nothing other than how we have been brainwashed to the extent we are now even guilty of the worst form of self-loathing - intolerance against ourselves and our ancestral ways which are actually replete with wisdom and spiritual richness. 3 Likes |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Ngwakwe: 5:45pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
I walk by some set of principles in matters of human relationship and not by religious inclination that are not reflective in people character. This is why you are my friend and most times I admire Negro for his defence of what he believes in. ilugunboy: 1 Like |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Nobody: 5:50pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
IFA is not Idol nor Worshipping any gods ..... IFA is a Yoruba Scientific tool which fails to follow normal Logical Scientific axioms thus PseudoScience ...... IFA is a means to Knowledge and a tool for Uncovering Hidden Spheres .....!!! IFA is a means to Knowledge !!! 5 Likes |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by joseph1832(m): 5:55pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
I Feel it's WRONG! If this piece of news is accurate, what stops other governors from imposing their traditions on students. |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Nobody: 5:56pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Ngwakwe: Your are talking of people's opinions which are individualistic.How many mosques are in iboland? 1 Like |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Italiano1: 5:58pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
joseph1832: I Feel it's WRONG! If this piece of news is accurate, what stops other governors from imposing their traditions on students. What exactly do you mean by "imposition" and if other Governors decide to do the same, it is their prerogative and good-luck to them 1 Like |
Re: Bizzare: Aregbesola Introduces Ifa As A Subject In Osun State Schools by Pukkah: 6:06pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
donroxy: IFA is not Idol nor Worshipping any gods ..... Correct. 1 Like |
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