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| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by JamaicanQT(f): 9:55pm On Oct 31, 2008 |
Barbados, Cuba, Bahamas, Trinidad and Tobago, Cayman Island, St Kitts and Nevis, 1 Like |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by DisGuy: 11:26pm On Oct 31, 2008 |
JamaicanQT: arent those micro islands owned by IB and some over hyped celebrities?  their resources depend one whitey coming to visit  |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by huxley(m): 11:47pm On Oct 31, 2008 |
PollMaster: You gonna have to work hard to disagree with my comments. How many African adults and parents routinely engage in intellectual activities such as reading non-prescribed books and material? 1 Like |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by bawomolo(m): 2:06am On Nov 01, 2008 |
JamaicanQT: more like white tourist havens with poor native populations |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by JamaicanQT(f): 3:56am On Nov 01, 2008 |
I HATE THE WAY U PEOPLE TALK IN HERE ALWAYS HAVE SOMETING BAD TO SAY ABOUT CARIBBEAN!!!! WE DO MORE THAN TOURISM WE EXPORT ALOT OF STUFF!!! AND NON OF THE ISLAND THAT WERE NAME ARE OWNED BY CELEB, ITS SO OBVIOUS THAT SOME PEOPLE DONT KNOW ABOUT BUYING AN ISLAND LOL. CELEB CAN ONLY BUY REMOTE ISLAND WHICH NATIVE DONT WANT TO LIVE ON, !! NIGERIA HAS ALOT OF OIL BUT I CANT UNDERSTAND HOW SO MANY PEOPLE ALLOWED A FEW OUTSIDER COME IN AND TAKE OVER. RICE (BULK & PACKAGED) Parboiled /White - First Quality Semi milled Wholly milled broken Cargo SUGAR Cane sugar in solid form Raw sugars Molasses Table molasses Vinegar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BAUXITE Calcined refractory grade Metallurgical grade Chemical grade Abrasive grade -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOLD Raw non-processed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FURNITURE (WOODEN/STRAW) Wooden suites Beds Tables Chairs Cabinets TV stands Desks Nibbi furniture Knock down furniture -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ELECTRICAL & HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES Refrigerators Freezers Cookers Fluorescent lamps Nails Hasps and staples Butts and hinges Cutlasses Wheel barrows Aluminum step ladders Clay bricks and blocks Manhole covers Ship-building and repairs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BEVERAGES Bottled rum Bulk rum Wine Brandy Whisky Gin Vodka High Wine Liqueur Beer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHEMICALS AND PHARMACEUTICALS Cough syrups Tonics Alcosulph Lotion Ointments Toilet waters Pharmaceuticals Multivitamins Dyes Essences Neutral alcohol -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WOOD Sawn lumber Dressed and undressed lumber Hewn lumber Logs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WOOD PRODUCTS Shingles Charcoal Veneer Plywood Prefabricated houses Beverage cases Pallets Wooden ashtray Broom handles Plant stands Telephone racks/tables Panel doors parquet flooring Poles Piles Posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PROCESSED FOODS Carombola (candied and rum flavored) Jams Jellies Pineapple chunks Casereep Guava cheese Fruit juices Fruit concentrates -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SPICES & PREPARATIONS Pepper (hot) Ginger Curry powder Thyme Ketchup Tomato paste Table sauce Flavoring sauce Pepper sauce Pepper paste -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FISH (FROZEN/PROCESSED) Trout Snapper (red and gray) Shark Bangamary Gillbaaker Shrimp (prawns and seabobs) Crabmeat Snook Cuffum Catfish Querriman Whitebelly Hassar Salted fish Smoked fish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FRUITS (FRESH) Mangoes Pineapples Avocados Guavas Oranges Limes Water melons Plantains Bananas Carambola Grapefruits Papaya -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VEGETABLES (FRESH) Cabbage Stringbean (bora) Cucumber Pumpkin Eddo Cassava Tomato Shallot Boulanger Ochro Squash Sweet potato Yam -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HIDES & SKINS Cow hides Alligator skins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LEATHER & LEATHER PRODUCTS Leather bags Leather belts Leather sandals Leather wallets -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLOWERS & PLANTS Cut flowers Orchids Plants -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TEXTILES, YARN & FABRICS Cotton sheeting Gray cloth Tie-dye fabrics -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TEXTILE PRODUCTS & CLOTHING ACCESSORIES Men's and women's garments Cotton dresses Blouses Shirts Shirt-jacs Skirts Pyjamas Toddlers' and babies' outer garments Tie-dye garments Lingerie Buttons -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOLD JEWELRY Ladies necklaces Hand bands Earrings Rings Keyrings Brooches Chains -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOYS AND GAMES Wooden horses Toy Dogs Toy Cats Bicycles Checkers sets Chess sets I.Q. testers Snakes and ladders Chinese checkers Ludo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRAVEL GOODS Traveling bags Ladies and men handbags Leather bags Suitcases School bags -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STATIONERY Office staples Typewriter ribbons -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PAPER PRODUCTS Corrugated cartons -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CERAMICS Teacups and saucers Tea mugs Dinner plates Vases Lamps Decorative items (animals, etc.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HANDICRAFTS All sorts of utility and decorative articles of nibbi, wood, leather, straw and balata - with an Amerindian touch. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WILDLIFE Monkeys parrots Birds Snakes Lizards Aquarium fishes Spiders Amphibians -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PACKAGED FOODS Chow mein Breakfast cereals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOBACCO PRODUCTS, ETC. Cigarettes Safety matches AND MUCH MUCH MORE!!!! 2 Likes |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by bawomolo(m): 4:52am On Nov 01, 2008 |
I HATE THE WAY U PEOPLE TALK IN HERE ALWAYS HAVE SOMETING BAD TO SAY ABOUT CARIBBEAN!!!! it's not a bad thing to say, it's the truth. the caribbean is dependent on tourism. just because nigeria exports cocoa and a few other products, doesn't mean it's not a monoeconomy. BUT I can't UNDERSTAND HOW SO MANY PEOPLE ALLOWED A FEW OUTSIDER COME IN AND TAKE OVER. remember what u said about generalization  |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by lucabrasi(m): 11:47am On Nov 01, 2008 |
you cant give a one size fits all answer to the problem of blacks round the world,the reasons why aa s and blacks generally in the western world are struggling to suceed is diffrent from the reasons why blacks in africa are struggling, the aa s and other blacks have to contend with "the glass ceiling" institutional racism and lack of opportunities,its not helped that positive role models are few and far betweendont forget that some of them grew up in ghettoes with absent fathers or mums who were drug addicts poorly funded schools e.t.c blacks in uk were told by teacher one time they could only aspire to be plumbers,carpenters e.t.c and the same shool encouraging white kids that they can be accountants,doctors e.t.c watch your tv and the many programmes encouraging youths especially in uk and watch how many blacks/minorities are included in such programmes few examples two thousand plus specialised met police officers(carrying weapons,flying helicoperse.t.c)less than 60 in the whole of uk are from the minority only one single black chief constable(in kent) as for africans,go back in history and you will see that the white colonialists intentionally always placed a weaker/smaller tribe over the larger ones just so that there will always be conflict and they will always have tacit controll trying to settle things e.t.c and this has aways been the fundamental problem in africa,we have never had a shortage of hard working focused africans,the problem we have always had is that of leadership and unity of purpose, go back in history and see who have always installed these african dictators, whites go see who have provided weapons for nigeria to fight biafra, whites who have provided weapons for tutsis and hutus , same people even congo happening now, whites dont put the blame on the regular black african or african american because they r all trying their best in a situation where they have foundthemselves and dont forget the whites stole a 300 yrs head start and thats got to count for something, moral of this is that there are underlying and peculiar reasons for each region /diff continent where blacks are situated for them being unsucessful |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by Ibime(m): 12:55pm On Nov 01, 2008 |
Rome wasn't built in a day. It took 2000 years to carve the British nation we see today. The different tribes were united in 1066 but they did not become successful until Queen Victoria's era. Just yesterday,we received our Independence. Different tribes were thrown together such as Ibo, Hausa, Yoruba, Efik etc. We still have a few hundred years to go yet to be successful. Our underdevelopment has nothing to do with our black nature, rather it is just the stage of development we are in - so don't even trip with all that negative stuff. It is natural for societies to evolve slowly. There have been several strong black nations in North Africa back in time past. Blacks from Sudan conquered Egypt and ruled there for over a century. |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by Nimshi: 11:44am On Nov 09, 2008 |
Huxley wrote: African cultural life does NOT promote and favour intellectualism. In fact, the same can be said of the cultural millieu of African American life. There is a class of the so-called educated, but such have become essentially tradesmen in the various specialism - tradesmen doctors, trademen computer scientists, tradesmen teachers, etc, etc. Such people, outside of their day job, would hardly open a book or be interested in intellectual affairs outside of their jobs. While having a chat related this topic, the discussion shifted to the subject of research in Nigerian universities and institutions. Much was made of the achivements of the IITA in Ibadan (http://www.iita.org/); this, clearly, is one exception that proves the rule. The thesis above is strong and solid, and anecdotal evidence could be found in the African American community in the US. A telling thing is that there are "Almost No Black Economists at the Nation's Highest-Ranked Universities": http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/50_no_black_economists.html . |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by Nimshi: 11:59am On Nov 09, 2008 |
One approach to the issue is provided by the United Nations Human Development Index. What parameters? Life expectancy at birth Adult literacy rate Combined gross enrolment ratio for primary, secondary and tertiary education GDP per capita Life expectancy index Education index For anyone so inclined, the full report for 2007/2008 could be found here: http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_20072008_Tables.pdf Where do black nations stand? See for yourself: http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/ . |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by LoveAlways(f): 12:30pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
I sometimes wonder if black nations are under some kind of curse.  |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by girl22(f): 3:20am On Jan 04, 2009 |
bawomolo: actually no. the male was ofetn sold and alot of times ot allowed in the home. but yeah cant blame slavery for the rise of single parent homes. |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by Ifygurl: 5:25am On Jan 04, 2009 |
I don't know why. I know according to UN, these are the top 50 poorest countries in the world in 2007 Afghanistan, Angola, Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Kiribati, Laos, Lesotho, Liberia, Madagascar, Malawi, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé and Príncipe, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Sudan, East Timor, Togo, Tuvalu, Uganda, Tanzania, Vanuatu, Yemen, Zambia. Notice how many are black nations. It's sad. Corruption is one of the main reason behind it and also our ability to stand with another rather than ourselves. |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by girl22(f): 5:27pm On Jan 08, 2009 |
black nations will become successful when they start building their companies, airlines, banks, movie thatres ect when they start top paying to racists statistics and media designed to give them an inferiority complex when they start practicing their own religions. when they form their own governments and not copy off of western governements. other nations are powerful because they practice their own religions and form their own governments. angola, botwsana and the blacks suburbs in america (especially in the south) have some successful governments. especially angola it is a successful governement. when black people unite and decide to stop allowing eiropean governemts to punk them france, america and uk is why haiti is the way it is. they lied about aristide. they got mad because mugabe took land from the whites (which was deserved) the european governments blocked his trade and cut him off foreign aid and lied and said he messed up his own economy. |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by harakiri(m): 2:47pm On Dec 30, 2009 |
The reason blacks aren't faring well in comparison to the rest of the world is because REAL GROWTH is not coded into our DNA.Simple as that.Real growth isn't how much you have in the bank or how many hectares of land you bought at lekki phase 1.Neither is it how many degrees you have or how many exotic cars you have rusting away in your garage due to lack of use. Even those born and breed abroad still have this complex within them except for a select few.Blacks have this me,myself and I mentality.We are no different that the cave men of the stone age who only go out to find food when they need it.Our thinking is solely focused on survival.NOTHING MORE! Blacks don't think about the future.Talking about the future, i don't mean building houses everywhere for children who won't appreciate or buying stocks that would end up worthless in another recession or putting billions in a fixed deposit that might be lost if the bank closes down.I'm talking about setting up foundations for millions of unborn kids that will make life more civil and easier for them.I AM SURE NO ONE WHO IS READING THIS HAS EVER THOUGHT IN THIS DIRECTION.Na only how to put money for account and buy cars una sabi. Back to the topic,blacks have this growth-stunting-complex embedded in their brain matter.Talk Africans for example (black Africans i mean).Most African countries have had independence for at least two decades.Where are they today?Most (if not all of them) are far worse off than they were when the "white masters" ruled over them.Let nobody talk about Ghana coz i am waiting to see where they will be after the oil money starts rolling in.Look at Nigeria. . .the so-called "giant" of Africa.With all the quadrillions of dollars that have rolled in, we are far worse off than we were before independence (let nobody talk about GSM).Look at the Islamic northerners of Nigeria.They are like zombies.Any little thing, they all come out like animals and start killing anything that moves all in the name of Allah without even knowing what the violence is all about.They forget that ISLAM WAS IMPOSED ON THEM.They forget they had their own culture and religion before the Arabs forced Islam on them through the sword.Look at the boko haram sect.They claim to be fighting against the western infidels and their ways but they use western produce for virtually every aspect of their lives.They want sharia law but how many of them can call for the heads of the thieving corrupt leaders?If you steal a goat, your arm gets severed.If you steal what belongs to the people, you are a god among them.If the northern Africans aren't zombies, i don't know what else. How about the southerners?They own 98% of the resources in the country (in fact all the money comes from the south) and YET, they allow some illiterate-zombie-nomadic-cattle rearers to determine every outcome in the country.Why? This is because they can't agree within themselves and would rather have "outsiders" call the shots than come to a compromise.Talk about another class of zombies.Yoruba hates Igbo and vice versa.And they keep wondering why the country isn't progressing. This post is getting too long.I'll leave it here but any logical mind gets the picture. Nuff said. @Seun This is mccloud224 When am i getting my posting privileges back? |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by 9jii(m): 1:41pm On Jan 05, 2010 |
i m historian ya, we were enslave,colonize,imperialism also is still there,oppression n discrimination is all on us.but THE thing is dat if we are not what ever they are calling us we can protect ourselves way back.IT IS A CURSE THAT ON US NEGRO LET JUST PRAY. |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by agathamari(f): 3:41pm On Jan 06, 2010 |
because they refuse to absorb. look at other cultures and how they absorb what they see and make it thier own (while still holding on to thier native culture) someone said earlier that thanksgiving is a "white" holiday. it isnt its native american/first nation/red indian/whatever you want to call them, "whites" absorbed it, as did every other group living in the us and canada. "western" culture is a blend of everything they come in contact with yet each western country still holds on to thier traditions and cultural identity. many, not all africans repel the ways of the outside world. saying that because of opression that "blacks" cant move forward is wrong. every group on the planet was opressed/discriminated agaist at some point in time including "white", holding on to the past is another thing that holds a society back. no society can move forward without the exchanging of ideas. one person invents something (clothing design, food item, building design, weapon, tools whatever) someone else sees it (whether by accident or force) and say i like this but what if i did this (change something, add something, remove something) then this new idea passes to another person/tribe/country/race/whatever and again its i like this but what if i change this, that is how technology advances htat is how society advances. absorbing ideas from other cultures whether is be the "west" the "far east" or "latin america" or from other african countries doesnt make you any less of what you are. noone says stop doing everything that your culture is. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by agathamari(f): 3:44pm On Jan 06, 2010 |
cuba JamaicanQT:cuba is a latino country like puerto rico |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by lazy(m): 10:31pm On Jan 08, 2010 |
agathamari: Latino is not a Racial group but an ethnic group. Latino's can be Black, White, Native American, Mixed Raced, etc, Laz Alonso is an Afro-Cuban Actor: http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/files/2009/08/laz-alonso.jpg
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| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by agathamari(f): 1:41pm On Jan 10, 2010 |
lazy:La·ti·no n: Latino, the male form, or Latina, the female, are general terms for people from any of the Latin-American or Spanish-speaking countries, or of Latin descent. His·pan·ic adj. 1. Of or relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking Latin America. yes latino can be MIXED as can a black, white, oriental, asian, pacific islander, native american, |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by lazy(m): 11:38pm On Jan 11, 2010 |
agathamari: I am not following?? If a White person is mixed then how are they White and not mixed?? and you can put that same sentence with all the categories (Black, etc) you stated. Ethnic Group Definition: An ethnic group is a group of humans whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage that is real or assumed. This shared heritage may be based upon putative common ancestry, history, kinship, religion, language, shared territory, nationality or physical appearance. Members of an ethnic group are conscious of belonging to an ethnic group; moreover ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness. Race Group Definition: The term race or racial group usually refers to the categorization of humans into populations or groups on the basis of various sets of heritable characteristics. The physical features commonly seen as indicating race are salient visual traits such as skin color, cranial or facial features and hair texture. You are stating Latino as a Race which it is not, per the definition you just offered up it says it is an Ethnic group. |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by agathamari(f): 4:55pm On Jan 12, 2010 |
^^^^ then if a mixed person cannot be described by a race then why are people like obama, hallie barry, tiger woods described as black? they are mixed are they not? the idea of race is manmade. take your adverage nigerian. youruba is thier ethnicity, nigerian is thier nationality (can also be ethnicity) black is thier race mayan is the ethnicity, peruvian is thier nationaliy (can be ethnicity) and hispanic/latino is thier race |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by lazy(m): 5:09pm On Jan 12, 2010 |
agathamari: You really lost me again? The Mayan civilization is not in Peru?? That was the Incas? Since you brought up Peru, here is the actual break down in Racial Demographics in Peru: Peru's racial structure can be classified as 45% Amerindian, 37% mestizo (mixed Amerindian and European), 15% White, and 3% African, Japanese, Chinese, and other. Amerindian = term for Native Americans The country is mostly populated by Native Americans and people mixed with European and Native American I don't see any Hispanic/Latino there. Those terms are used in the States as an Ethnic grouping for people that come from Spanish Speaking Countries, no matter what your "Race" is. Here is another Afro-Cuban that is signing a deal with the Reds to pitch for them, His name is: Albertin Aroldis Chapman de la Cruz http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/sports/baseball/12chapman.html
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| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by Billygoat(m): 3:05am On Jan 15, 2010 |
Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? Great response. You seem to have a good head on your sholders. |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by ezeagu(m): 9:57pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
agathamari: Thank you. A lot of the things we think are 'white made' are actually from non-European countries, gun powder, paper money, trousers, names, food, name it, and I'm sure it doesn't have a purely European origin. You point about Africans not absorbing other cultures is a good one. In colonization the 'traditional dress' came about as in most part of the world that is not in Europe, this stopped the evolution of African fashion, instead we were 'traditional dress' on special occasions then western clothes everyday. The fact that someone does not like agbada does not mean they believe African culture is substandard, just like Gordon Brown doesn't dress like this:   |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by poosyfaka(m): 5:30am On Jan 16, 2010 |
black people are cursed that y i date white women, to give to my children a chance to inherit that white blessing. i wonder if we blacks will survive if white abandon us. fuuuck us blacks |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by ezeagu(m): 3:56pm On Jan 16, 2010 |
poosy_faka: I bet she's fat and ugly as well, your life is insignificant!  |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by poosyfaka(m): 7:49pm On Jan 16, 2010 |
ezeagu: Hello Ezeagu you are a magician. my white girlfriend is extremely extremely fat and my life is very very very insignificant. you are either a prophet or a psychic. i am still shaking. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by mayfrances(f): 3:20am On Jan 21, 2010 |
It's call greed, corruption, colonization and blacks self hatred of themselves. We as blacks are our own worse enemies!!!!! When we get rid of our materialized thoughts then we as a people and black nations can progress. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by TheDarkOne: 12:28am On Dec 09, 2012 |
I was asking myself the same question tonight, hence finding this thread! I really dont know what the answer is but I truly believe it must be geographical more than anything else. What I mean is, most white tribes have come from more even and temperate climates. The white european isnt, nor wasnt in a daily battle against all sorts of weather extremes. Whilst trying to survive first and foremost, there is very little time left to develop much else. Blacks in stable environments can go on to perform equally as well as white people. There is however an overly large number of our community that still to this day want to hold the white man responsible for our enslavement hundreds of years ago. Always might I add conveniently forgetting that the people selling the slaves were our very own black brothers. Its all too easy to be selective about the past and use it as an excuse not to forward one self. Just some thoughts Darkus |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by trolling(m): 1:51am On Dec 09, 2012 |
Answers lies in Gen 9;25 |
| Re: Why Aren't There Any Successful Black Nations In The World? by Nobody: 3:20am On Dec 09, 2012 |
If one or all of these three countries get it together and strive towards becoming world powers: 1. DRC 2. Nigeria 3. Ethiopia These questions will not pop up so much. Well, we know how they are faring relative to their potentials. |
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