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Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by ezeagu(m): 2:08pm On Oct 23, 2013 |
Abagworo: The problem with your theory is that Eboe/Ebo is pronounced ee-bow and not eh-bow (as attested by places like Ebo landing and the fact that Eboe was used interchangeably with Ibo). Another problem is that Eboe later corrected as Ibo then became Igbo. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by Abagworo(m): 3:15pm On Oct 23, 2013 |
Antivirus92: that guy is confused. If equiano could refer to a certain people as oye-eboe. Then it means that igbo are a people and not location. I've clarified on the context which "oye eboe" was used and you are too unintelligent to comprehend. Let me quote Olaudah for you to understand with your little brain. “As we live in a country where nature is prodigal of her favours, our wants are few and easily supplied… We have also markets, at which I have been frequently with my mother. These are sometimes visited by stout, mahogany-coloured men from the south west of us: we call them Oye-Eboe, which term signifies red men living at a distance. They generally bring us firearms, gun-powder, hats, beads and dried fish.” |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by ezeagu(m): 5:53pm On Oct 23, 2013 |
What dialect uses ebo for red? 1 Like |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by Dibiachukwu: 7:05pm On Oct 23, 2013 |
Antivirus92: nri-awka does not have any ibibio,benin or aro settlement among them. Nri -awka are native igbos mixed alittle with igala. Never bini,ibibio or aro.Read my post again. I said Aro is a product of nri-awka persons and ibibio persons. Basically settlers from Nri-awka with the help of persons from ibibio founded Aro |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by bigfrancis21: 8:20pm On Oct 23, 2013 |
ezeagu: What dialect uses ebo for red? I suspect many meanings of that term 'oye ebo'. 1) It could have meant 'onye igbo' since it was noted then that many communities didn't see themselves as 'Igbo' but rather other communities around them were 'Igbo', not them. Maybe it was an extension of its usage to refer to an outside Igbo community that is not theirs. Take the Igbere community, for example, they named themselves 'Igbere'(Igbo ere) meaning that they regarded the slave raiders from other community(ies), maybe Aro, as Igbo, and not them. 2) It could have also meant 'Oyiibo'. Notice that we Igbos extend the 'I' part when natively pronouncing 'Oyibo' such that it sounds 'Oyiibo'. 3) It could also mean what Abagworo just said. In Asaba Igbo, 'Igbo' means 'slave'. Olaudah's mentioning of the usage of 'Oye Eboe'(let's assume it means Onye Igbo) in his account also shows that the term was in already usage and flourished in pre-colonial Igboland before the coming of the white man and was not a british construct as some people would have us believe. The British, who understood linguistics and its potency in connecting sub clans, went further to help expand the term's usage in a more wider sense to include the respective bia-speaking sub-clans. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by bigfrancis21: 9:20pm On Oct 23, 2013 |
Abagworo: @Bold...if Equiano should be Ikwuiano or Ekwuiano according to you, now tell me what either of them means? Or cite examples of people bearing the surname or name spelt in such manner, when several people exist today who bear Ikwuano rather either as surname or name? Are you aware of Ikwuano LGA in Abia state? You should know that there was no official Igbo spelling orthography as at then, hence the British bastardized Igbo words when spelling them. You yourself brought forward evidence in a past thread of yours of such bastardized spellings by the British, such as acocua(akokwa), ocuella(okwelle), isiegue(isigwe) etc. Look at the difference between the British bastardized spelling of 'Onitsha' and proper Igbo spelling of 'Onicha'. Therefore it shouldn't surprise you that Ikwuano was spelt wrongly as Equiano. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by ChinenyeN(m): 9:33pm On Oct 23, 2013 |
Maybe it's just me, but if we're going to follow the "cu/qu" logic, wouldn't "Equiano" be rendered as "Ikwiano" (or more likely "Ikwieno" ), as opposed to "Ikwuano"? The "qui" seems more likely to represent "kwi" in the current orthography, rather than "kwu". |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by Abagworo(m): 10:25pm On Oct 23, 2013 |
ChinenyeN: Maybe it's just me, but if we're going to follow the "cu/qu" logic, wouldn't "Equiano" be rendered as "Ikwiano" (or more likely "Ikwieno" ), as opposed to "Ikwuano"? The "qui" seems more likely to represent "kwi" in the current orthography, rather than "kwu". "Ekwue anu" or "Ikwue anu" is my likely translation. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by Abagworo(m): 10:34pm On Oct 23, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: Your "Igbo ere" instance lends credence to my hypothesis of Equiano likely referring to Aros and like I always believed the source of the Igbo name for everyone around. The recent claim by Amaigbo of being the origin of Igbo is laughable as the name "Amaigbo" already betrays them . In Igboland "Ama" is mostly used as a prefix in reference to a compound or kindred by others not related to them with the name of the compound founder as suffix. Like "Ama JK" in Owerri means JK's compound or "Ama-Hausa" means "Hausa area" and given by others around. Other variances are "Ogbe" ,"Ndi", "Ebo" or "Ezi" . |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by bigfrancis21: 10:59pm On Oct 23, 2013 |
ChinenyeN: Maybe it's just me, but if we're going to follow the "cu/qu" logic, wouldn't "Equiano" be rendered as "Ikwiano" (or more likely "Ikwieno" ), as opposed to "Ikwuano"? The "qui" seems more likely to represent "kwi" in the current orthography, rather than "kwu". Can you tell us the meaning of Ikwieno or Ikwiano, since I personally have not come across such a name/surname spelling in Igboland before? |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by Dibiachukwu: 11:10pm On Oct 23, 2013 |
bigfrancis21:Oye ibo (Bush person) -> Oye ibo (slave)(mockery) -> Oyibo (foreigner/white). Oye ibo is also a very popular slur in ibom(calabar) area, used to mock Igbos. The part on bold, lends a little more credence to the yoruba claims. It is not a hidden that benin sold and had Igbo slaves. Benin and Ijo are a yoroboid people. And it makes perfect sense that they often raided the bushes. This same scenario is also applicable in the igbo-mina area. Asaba has a lot of bini influence. Igbo doesn't mean slave or bush (it has no meaning) in central Igbo. The yoroboids have a meaning for Igbo. Bini is a yoroboid state. It makes a lot of sense that Igbo meaning slave is a borrowed word from bini. If not, Asaba people that consider themselves Igbo; are calling themselves slaves. As I said before, I consider places like Asaba to be very heterogeneous. It is unknown (to me), if this heterogeneity; translates to straight up gene mixtures. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by ezeagu(m): 12:11am On Oct 24, 2013 |
So this topic has overreached it's use and now we're moving to irrelevant things that aren't based on any established facts or experience or are even consistent with the contention that Igbo was never used as an ethnographic term. We've established that it was, in whatever forms people may have, so I think the thread can move on before we start hearing about Hebrews, because it looks like that's what's coming next. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by ChinenyeN(m): 12:55am On Oct 24, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: Can you tell us the meaning of Ikwieno or Ikwiano, since I personally have not come across such a name/surname spelling in Igboland before?No. I personally cannot (nor would even) try to offer up a meaning for "Ikwieno/Ikwiano" for two reasons: 1) I am not a member of the region/community where the name "Ikwieno/Ikwiano" could possibly have been borne (provided we work under the assumption that Gustavus Vassa's accounts are genuine). 2) The name bears no semblance to anything recognizable to me; neither is it contemporary. Essentially, it is really not my place to ascribe a meaning to what I do not know. All I did was approximate a converion by orthography. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by ChinenyeN(m): 1:03am On Oct 24, 2013 |
ezeagu: So this topic has overreached it's use and now we're moving to irrelevant things that aren't based on any established facts or experience or are even consistent with the contention that Igbo was never used as an ethnographic term. We've established that it was, in whatever forms people may have, so I think the thread can move on before we start hearing about Hebrews, because it looks like that's what's coming next.lol that Hebrew nonsense. Anyway, there is something that I have been curious about, regarding the use of "Igbo". Has anyone ever done any research or managed to come across any explanation as to how and why Europeans came to ethnographically apply the term "Igbo" during the slave trading era? So far, it has been established that a significant number of slaves were unfamiliar the term, before entering slavery. Likewise, a number of communities did not begin to use the word until the late 19th/early 20th century. So what do we know? |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by bigfrancis21: 7:17am On Oct 24, 2013 |
Dibiachukwu: An Asaba man personally told me that himself. They used it to refer to the people east of the Niger who sold themselves off as slaves. That that was why they found it difficult accepting the name 'Igbo' at first. In Ika Igbo, 'Igbo' also means 'slave'. Honestly, I don't know where you get all these claims from. Who told you that Benin and Ijaw people are yoruboid? In fact, how old are you to begin with? I guess I'll avoid your statements from now on because you always make no sense. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by Dibiachukwu: 8:03am On Oct 24, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: There is no sense in what you are saying. You mean the slaves came and sold them as slaves. OK. Thats interesting. Do you know how close asaba is to benin. Benin was one of the powerful kingdoms around then. And Asaba was tributary to it. I don't know any kingdom east of the Niger, that could pull such a feat. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by ladionline: 3:01pm On Oct 29, 2013 |
ChinenyeN:Our dearest opinions may not abrogate the opinions of others on a contentious belief. Anyone's belief can turn out to be a dogma or an empirical truth in the face of convincing facts. The 'hebraic claim' thus deserve 'benefit of the doubt' until proof show otherwise, as large chunk of data (other than slave-trade historionics) still elude our (African) historians. That does not mean africans are people not capable of self-rediscovery... |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by ezeagu(m): 9:14pm On Oct 30, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: Ika Igbo 'slave' is Igbon (nasalisation) which is loan from Edo, not like 'Igbo' which is not nasalised and has a different tone. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by tpiah01: 5:45pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: Doesn't sound like that. If you look at the fulani syntax, the way they structure their words does not rhyme with the way yoruba is structured. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by juman(m): 7:10pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
Not all yorubas are from oduduwa. Oduduwa met some people in ile ife when he arrived. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by Fulaman198(m): 7:30pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
tpiah01: That is because the languages are in two very different sub-families. Yoruba is Tonal whilst Fulfulde (all dialects of Fulfulde) is not really a tonal language. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by tpiah01: 7:34pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
true. in fact, to me, it looks like the other way round, ie Fulani sounds more like a word that was adapted or derived from Yoruba. It's tonal, and has as many vowels as consonants. i could be wrong of course. According to wiki which i just looked up, the word Fulani is a Hausa adaptation. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by Funjosh(m): 11:04pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
juman: The people he met in Ile-Ife where do they come from ? |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by Fulaman198(m): 11:39pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
tpiah01: Fulfulde comes from "Fulbe" or Fulani people which is what we call ourselves. The language is called Fulfulde in Cameroon, Nigeria, Chad, Mali, Niger, Burkina Faso, Rep of Benin, Ghana, Togo, and called Pular/Pulaar in Senegal, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Sierra Leone, Mauritania. It's possible that Yoruba is derived from Fulfulde, as ba is a very common word in Fulfulde. The Ba'en is a sub-group of Fulani people for example and Ba/Bah is also a Fulani surname, Yori or Yore in Fulfulde means dry though I don't think that is it. Maybe I can have more input from my other Fulani bros Bororojo e OmarBah. 1 Like |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by bigfrancis21: 1:08am On Feb 01, 2015 |
tpiah01: It has been noticeable that some Yorubas would readily agree that elements of commonality between them and other tribes must come from them but yet find it difficult to admit that some elements of their culture might be borrowed from elsewhere. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by tpiah01: 3:30am On Feb 01, 2015 |
Fulaman198: well, that's interesting but as you can see, Fulfulde has double consonants at some points, but Fulani is evenly divided between vowels and consonants, indicating both words might be from different roots, possibly with Ful ( a variant of Peul ) as a prefix. just guessing here. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by tpiah01: 3:33am On Feb 01, 2015 |
It has been noticeable that some Yorubas would readily agree that elements of commonality between them and other tribes must come from them but yet find it difficult to admit that some elements of their culture might be borrowed from elsewhere. not at all: https://www.nairaland.com/939854/common-yoruba-words-borrowed-arabic https://www.nairaland.com/771374/similar-words-between-hausa-yoruba |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by Fulaman198(m): 3:40am On Feb 01, 2015 |
tpiah01: Peul is the French word for Fulani from the neighbouring Wolof ethnic group Pel. |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by RandomAfricanAm: 8:28am On Feb 01, 2015 |
To quote myself in an earlier post..... itstpia8: |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by tpiah01: 2:08pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Fulaman198: What is the Fulani word for Fulani? |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by Fulaman198(m): 4:54pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
tpiah01: Fulbe - plural and Pullo - Singular |
Re: The Tribes Of Nigeria Are Fake. by tpiah01: 3:24am On Feb 02, 2015 |
Ok, |
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