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Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 2:58pm On Oct 26, 2013 |
babestell: Good. Babestell, thanks for the complement. Am glad you took your time with this. There shouldn't be any hidding of thread or onslaught. My posts are not offensive to any religion. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Nobody: 3:02pm On Oct 26, 2013 |
Why is this topic not in the Islamic section? U should be talking to Muslims who are misunderstanding their religion and not those who have no use of it. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 3:19pm On Oct 26, 2013 |
Mee234: Why is this topic not in the Islamic section? U should be talking to Muslims who are misunderstanding their religion and not those who have no use of it. I thought quite as much. But from my prologue, i said this was useful for even non muslims. I believe there are just some misconceptions among muslims that some non muslims can't deal with because muslims and non muslims tend to interact, in family in friendship, in work place e.t.c. Again, the muslims and non muslims can access the thread easier in this section than in the Islam for Muslim section. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Nobody: 3:30pm On Oct 26, 2013 |
usermane: Great work Are you a muslim? |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 3:51pm On Oct 26, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Aww! I have a problem with the word "muslim". U might have observed this if u read misconception 05. With the general stigma on the word; 'muslim', lets just say i am someone who accepted the Qur'an. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Nobody: 4:00pm On Oct 26, 2013 |
usermane:Don't get me wrong it is a nice work but after going through it I think the Muslims should be the ones learning about what is wrong about Islam. If Christians hold any view about ialam, it is that it is a false religion and the atheist view is even worse. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 4:15pm On Oct 26, 2013 |
Mee234: There you are again. Most christians may say Islam is a false religion, and that is understandable considering what 'muslims' have done with Islam so far. I believe the 'muslims' are the problem with Islam. But you 'll agree with me that there are non muslims considering embracing Islam and this could be of high value to them. Regardless, this is not hidden from the muslims and they are most welcome to the thread |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 2:10am On Oct 27, 2013 |
One thing about the real world is that nothing is just black and white. A lot of persons live a life of misery due to their inability to see things beyond the face value. And the face value is never a substitute for truth. Face value is the societies' construction, the societies' preferences. Face value could be painted or rusted. Rather,trust in the Real value. The Real value is truth The real value is untouchable and like iron from iron ore, it requires extraction and separation from the surrounding impurities. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by tbaba1234: 7:13am On Oct 27, 2013 |
Salam, I am writing this with the hope that you are willing to listen and revert. What you have written show a lack of education in the Islamic sciences with all due respect and it is not necessarily your fault. I am writing so that you do not misinform people unknowingly. Hopefully, with the evidence provided you will change some of these ill-advised views and i would also acknowledge the ones that are correct. You should not be concerned about pleasing people, you must be concerned about the truth. I was going to send a private message but i think it is important for others to see this as well so please forgive me for that. You seem to have stated your personal opinions with very little evidences. i. ISLAMIC NAMES : mostly incorrect and i use my word very carefully. Let's start with something correct. A convert to Islam do not have to change their names unless it has a meaning that is not good. One of my imams was named charles. I have muslim friends with names like Joel, etc... The messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) did change the names of some new muslims in cases where the names have bad meanings. For Instance: i. 'Asiya (Disobedient) to Jamila (Beautiful) Ibn 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) changed the name of 'Asiya (Disobedient) and said: You are Jamila (i. e. good and handsome). Ahmad (one of the narrators) narrated it with a slight variation of wording. Muslim :: Book 25 : Hadith 5332 ii. Abdul-Shams (Slave of the sun) to Abdul-Rahman (Slave of the Merciful God) - Abu Hurairah There are some other examples: Narrated AbuWahb, Hazn ibn AbuWahb: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) asked: What is your name? He replied: Hazn (rugged). He said: You are Sahl (smooth). He said: No, smooth is trodden upon and disgraced. Sa'id said: I then thought that ruggedness would remain among us after it. AbuDawud said: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) changed the names al-'As, Aziz, Atalah, Shaytan, al-Hakam, Ghurab, Hubab, and Shihab and called him Hisham. He changed the name Harb (war) and called him Silm (peace). He changed the name al-Munba'ith (one who lies) and called him al-Mudtaji' (one who stands up). He changed the name of a land Afrah (barren) and called it Khadrah (green). He changed the name Shi'b ad-Dalalah (the mountain path of a stray), the name of a mountain path and called it Shi'b al-Huda (mountain path of guidance). He changed the name Banu az-Zinyah (children of fornication) and called them Banu ar-Rushdah (children of those who are on the right path), and changed the name Banu Mughwiyah (children of a woman who allures and goes astray), and called them Banu Rushdah (children of a woman who is on the right path). AbuDawud said: I omitted the chains of these for the sake of brevity. ( Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 4938 ) Therefore if the names does not have a bad meaning then it doesn't matter. You do not have to change to an Arabic name but the Arabic is very important. Trust me, you have no clue what is lost in translation. Translations only give you something of the meaning. A feel of the meaning. As regards the name Allah.. First of all, the Quran is only the Quran in Arabic... Your english translation is not your Quran. Alif Lam Ra These are the verses of the Scripture that makes things clear––We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran [/b]so that you [people] may understand. (Surah 12:1-2) An Arabic Quran... [b]So We have sent down the Quran to give judgement in the Arabic language. If you were to follow their desires, after the knowledge that has come to you, you would have no one to guard you or protect you from God. (Surah 13:37) We have sent the Quran down in the Arabic tongue and given all kinds of warnings in it, so that they may beware or take heed– (Surah 20:113) Truly, this Quran has been sent down by the Lord of the alamin: the Trustworthy Spirit brought it down to your heart [Prophet], so that you could bring warning in a clear Arabic tongue. (Surah 26:192-195) I could go on and on,... Fact: the Quran is in Arabic, not in english or spanish or french... So you might ask, but we have translations right?? Translations should do right?? Well, not quite.. Actually translations do not even begin to capture the Quran.. Just one word: Al rahman Let's see what the translations say: Picktall: The Beneficent Yusuf Ali: Most Gracious Abdul Dayabadi: The Compassionate Dr Mohsin:The Most Gracious Mufti Taqi Ismali: The All merciful All of these only give you a very shallow hint but do not tell you what it means... Not really.. What does it actually mean? Ar rahman and Ar rahim carry the attribute of mercy ; They both come from the root word ‘rahma’ which means mercy… So how did the ancient arab understand ‘rahma’. To give us an understanding of how the ancient arab understood mercy, another word derived from rahma is rahem which means ‘womb’. A child is in the womb of the mother: - His rent is paid - The food is covered - All its needs are covered He has no need for anything, the mum takes care of every issue. He is immersed in mercy.. - The baby kicks and punches - The baby makes the mum puke - The baby consumes all the food of the mum - It invades the mother’s space.. Mercy to the ancient arab is when you are completely engulfed and taken care of from every angle, The ancient arab definition of mercy is what a mum does for her child… In the English language, we define mercy as been forgiven but this is not what the Quran is saying So Ar rahman and Ar Rahim both have to do with mercy .. Ar rahman has 3 main qualities… 1. It means extremely merciful, unimaginably merciful, incredibly merciful, extraordinarily merciful... I think you get the idea…. 2. That extreme mercy is taking place right now…. At this very moment, that mercy is being exhibited… To help you understand this, let me give an illustration : If i say, my sister is kind to someone.. Does it mean she is exhibiting it right now? At this very point… Not neccessrily right now.. I just described an attribute of hers… It is inadequate to translate Ar rahman as ‘ the extremely merciful’ because it does not incorporate the attribute of being merciful ‘right now’. A more accurate translation of Ar rahman – The one that is being extremely merciful (right now) 3. The third quality is the most scary quality, Ar rahman indicates transience… temporary. I will explain, words similar to Ar rahman (carry the same quality) in the Arabic language include thirsty, angry, hungry… they are temporary.. In order to end thirst - You need water In order to end hunger – you need food For anger- something happens that take the anger away…. So although Allah is extremely merciful right now, We could do something that takes that mercy away… That is scary….. Now does any english translation convey the above? English is grossly insufficient to describe in one word. A lesson in semetic languages Ignorantly, you mention that the name Allah is not in the scriptures.. What you do not seem to understand is that semetic languages have similar letters and roots and that Allah is simply Elohim in hebrew without the plural 'im'. Linguistically, the Arabic "Allah" or "Al-Ilahi'' is related to the Hebrew "El-Elohim" (Used in the Hebrew bible for God) , meaning "God of Gods" or "the God". (both semetic languages) ((A) Toombs LE (1971). B) Schonfield HJ (1967). ) The Quran is only in Arabic. The name Allah is that name in Arabic. That same name that has existed in what is left of previous scriptures. God was invented how many years ago?? Whilst we can use our local names for God. The name the creator chose in his Arabic revelation is Allah. More to come if i have the time. 12 Likes |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Nobody: 7:39am On Oct 27, 2013 |
tbaba1234: Salam, Lol......stopped reading at bold. Furthermore, you muslims fail to realise that people are turned of when you start telling us to understand Arabic. Many of us that have a christian backgorund didnt need a knowledge of Hebrew or Greek to understand the message of the bible. Even my hispanic and asian friends understand the bible in their local language without Hebrew. You seem to be selling Arab culture 5 Likes |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by tbaba1234: 7:49am On Oct 27, 2013 |
Logicboy03: All muslims do not have to learn arabic that is not feasible but those who learn the book are the ones qualified to teach. Translations do offer the general message as well. Most muslims are not arabic speakers. 3 Likes |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by texbaba1: 7:57am On Oct 27, 2013 |
Being a christian, I like ur post. U see thers a lot of indoctrination in islam nd dats why thers extremism. Just like early catholism, indoctrination was rife but thanks to pple like luther, christianity is now more liberal nd accomodating. Ur post should enligthen muslims, deindoctrinate them nd free their minds from dogmas that is anti peaceful coexistence. Kudos to u. 1 Like |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Nobody: 7:58am On Oct 27, 2013 |
tbaba1234: Good. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Akindarchi(m): 9:01am On Oct 27, 2013 |
@Tbaba1234....very nice inputs, I only hope that the op is genuine and humble enough to reflect on your posts. For those complaining about the no of rules in islam, that's just mercy from the Rabb(lord amongst other tins) that He made known to us what the limits are in EVERY thing we do to make us live a good life. AS a similitude, if we were constantly aware of how many rules our bodies av just to keep us walking on two legs we wud realise ow important rules are. Sure engineers try to build robots to walk, but none can attain the fluidity of motion and grace of a human being... except its cyrax septor them them from mortal combat.... Allah knows best 1 Like |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by beejaay: 9:37am On Oct 27, 2013 |
Akin d archi: @Tbaba1234....very nice inputs, I only hope that the op is genuine and humble enough to reflect on your posts. u guys are very funny... why cant you be genuine and humble enough to reflect on the op? no one has monopoly of knowledge and that exactly what op is trying to point us to... mayb u should relax and reflect from the beginning and u will see the hidden mystery. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by beejaay: 9:41am On Oct 27, 2013 |
usermane: 10.imagine people telling abubakar is better that opeyemi because abubakar is arabic... i was named rabiu (meaning four) when my middle name is abolaji (if not ignorance why will anyone name his/her child rabiu "four" when there are beautiful yoruba/hausa/igbo name over some arabic mumbo jumbo)... this name issue was truely one of my first insight into the politics of the world religions 1 Like |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by beejaay: 9:42am On Oct 27, 2013 |
usermane: u couldnt have said it any better |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by beejaay: 9:46am On Oct 27, 2013 |
usermane: this is nothing but plain truth but dont say this outside cos u might get ur arms twisted we are all finite thats why we are humans, no one is infallible and no one cant make mistakes. it was after reading the Quran for the 3rd time that i finally figured this out. it is well documented in the Quran but i wonder how people dont see it even the so called mallams and alfas 1 Like |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by beejaay: 9:47am On Oct 27, 2013 |
usermane: thank you bros, i have even gone beyound this level to know that no human being is better or greater than the other. we are equal in the sight of God 1 Like |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by beejaay: 9:52am On Oct 27, 2013 |
usermane: this is the greates misconception of all and there are verses in the Quran that clearly clear this issue, again i wonder why people dont see it.... the word "righteousness" is mentioned countless times in the Quran and how this set of people are the real muslims and righteousness has nothing to do with pillars of Islam unless the word righteousness means something else... the pillars are only a guide and help towards becoming righteous, the ultimate goal is righteousness and not the so called pillars (thats why its said that the only religion accepted in the sight of God is Islam) and what is Islam " Acquiring peace by surrendering to the will of God". what is the will of God "to become righteous" 1 Like |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by beejaay: 9:54am On Oct 27, 2013 |
usermane: the funniest thing is people just recite things that they dont understand and they will even cram it.. what is the use of saying something u dont understand, of what benefit is it?? 1 Like |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by beejaay: 10:02am On Oct 27, 2013 |
usermane: Ummayads and abbaids changed the face of the Islamic religion over centuries for their selfish gain... i am convinced that 70% of what is practiced today is not what existed during the Prophet time. and about the Caliph, its on record that they all took arms against theirself after the death of the prophet just for sake of control... its even on record that Aisha prophet wife took arm and formed a group of warriors against Ali before she was defeated (and yet they call her the mother of the believer )... its also on record that Kabbah was destroyed by the so called caliph during one of their wars... Uthman was killed, Ali was killed (all this happened just within a decade or two of prophet demise and yet we say they are the best caliph.. and these are the same set of people that compilled the Quran,they are the same set of people that handed down the mode of practise) God will bless you for this wonderful piece... i wish am good in writing and articulate in bringing out my point, i would have cos there are proofs abound everywhere both within the Quran and hadith and 3rd parties narrators, even within the fold narrations also 2 Likes |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Nobody: 10:03am On Oct 27, 2013 |
It is rare that I praise a muslim but....good work from the op! I like the op and the discussion that has come from it |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by beejaay: 10:08am On Oct 27, 2013 |
usermane: the funniest thing is you will c people making a boast that they have finished 10 recitation of Quran in a month especially during ramadan (i used to do this a lot during my ignorant times, looking back now i just laughed at my gullibilty but give thanks nonetheless for the critical mind to ask and ask and ask.... i have come to know that no true seeker can be led astray)... whats the point in reciting what u dont know or understand multiple times when u can easily take a single verse or chapter and meditate on it for hours, days or even years.... this is also stated clearly in the Quran that the whole of the Quran is in similitude (which means its our job to decipher the similitude) i will sure bookmark this you wonderful piece or even print it for keep. 1 Like |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 10:12am On Oct 27, 2013 |
,Thanks a lot Beejaay and Logicbwoy. I am happy at least a few persons appreciate GOD. As for tbaba,babylolaroy,akin di archi, i am not seeking attention or here to mislead, and yes, i took my time to cook this. If i see things going contrary to Islam, i have to comment, doubting thomas will learn. I am not here to shove my findings down anybody 's throat. The truth is what i seek and those who take this thread professionaly will have no issue. I welcome criticisms or insults from those who take things personal. Insult won't hurt me. I am glad a few persons, even non muslims have learnt a thing. |
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