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Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 4:27pm On Oct 28, 2013 |
Ummsulaym. I apologise if you are upset by this write up but i wouldn't have done this if there were no verses to boost my points. U may see me as the bad guy now,but did you check my references; the verses of Qur'an and historical facts? You should try that if you haven't. And yes, i seek for knowledge, and i love sharing it. That is how i managed to pull these together. Note that when you seek for knowledge, you ask for GOD 's help(Qur'an 20:114), you meet different persons whether they are scholars or not, and you don't forget your brain,don't be carried away by looks,popularity or eloquence. And that is how i arrived at this. This not a coup by me. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by vedaxcool(m): 4:52pm On Oct 28, 2013 |
The op was used and now has been dumped, the same people who tolerated his thread for this long did so not because they are interested in learning anything about Islam but simply because it mainly conveys what they want to hear, had this thread been about why you should be a muslim or Muhammad pbuh , this thread would have been thrown within few seconds of its arrival, why? Allah says, “They intend to put out the Light of Allaah (i.e. the religion of Islam, this Qur’aan, and Prophet Muhammad) with their mouths. But Allaah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate (it). He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islamic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrikoon (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah and in His Messenger Muhammad) hate (it)”[al-Saff :8-9] 2 Likes |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 5:39pm On Oct 28, 2013 |
Sissie: Sissie, I apologise to you and your friends, maybe one day you 'll b able to forgive me. Sorry for terming you guys as a "GANG", i will modify that post. You know, it seem like i lost my attention in the topic and got carried away by those who made false allegations and accusations against me. I let their words get the better of me and regret my retort. This is a lesson i have learn't; in defending the truth one must always hold on to politeness. I do appreciate your attitude even though you were on the opposing end. Keep it up. It is true that the topic seem controversial. But please you have the Qur'an at home, try to verify all the verses i recommended in the OP. The verses are the major evidences. As a muslim, you are responsible for yourself, you have to be objective and don't think the majority is always right. I opened this thread as an eye-opener,an avenue to analyse and correct these misconception. If you disagree, forward your evidence, afterall i never thought for once in the past that that i haboured any misconception in Islam till recently. Some persons thought this is a fitnah. Well, what can i say? Verify the verses first then you can proceed from there. One reason why i didn't open the thread here was due to past experiences here with the mods hidding a topic like this. I hope things get better for the sake of GOD. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 6:05pm On Oct 28, 2013 |
beejaay: Ahah they av tranfered d thread down here (i don dey c warnings). @op bye bye cos i dnt wanna b banne or av my post hidden for silly reasons.. Kei this ppl ehn Let 's hope they don't. Our thread is not offensive to any religion or any one. All protocols have been observed. No one has broken the code. We come in peace. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 6:10pm On Oct 28, 2013 |
vedaxcool: The op was used and now has been dumped, the same people who tolerated his thread for this long did so not because they are interested in learning anything about Islam but simply because it mainly conveys what they want to hear, had this thread been about why you should be a muslim or Muhammad pbuh , this thread would have been thrown within few seconds of its arrival, why? Allah says, Forget them. Have been betrayed or dumped in the past even by people i know personally. GOD will guide the sincere ones. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by 1n2n3(f): 12:25pm On Oct 29, 2013 |
beejaay: This is outrageous. May God forgive u. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Dewze(m): 8:17pm On Nov 01, 2013 |
tbaba1234: Salam, imagine if you had written all these response in Arabic. It would have made no sense to me and therefore have no impact at all on me, no matter how deep they are. That is the point the OP is trying to make. Infact the OPs write up has given me some sense of faith in Islam far more than any of u other so called teachers have done on this thread. 1 Like |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Dewze(m): 10:14pm On Nov 01, 2013 |
golpen: Mr username is a very wonderful person. He's a good diplomat according to this following definition; someone who tells a fool to go to hell in such a way that the poor guy looks forward to the trip. He has a point in some aspects, but his massive flaws cannot be exaggerated. why do u guys so wickedly and so ignorantly twist a persons wordsjust to score cheap points. The OP never said that there is anything wrong in studying the Quran in Arabic. He has mentioned it over and over again that doing so is an added advantage but that it shoud not be used as a dogmatic Islamic doctrine. He said it is not a dogged requirement for righteousness and here u are saying another thing. Man! u guys r so wicked and misleading. 1 Like |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 9:48pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
usermane: "In the creation of the heavens and earth, in the alternation of night and days; there are signs for those who reflect" ~Qur'an I agreed with your theory. So long sun and moon are both creation of Allah and within the context of 'heavens' as used in the above verse and many verses of the holy Qur'an, we are allowed to maximally use both entities to their respective fullest application. I have no objection whatsoever. However, muslim are used to 'lunar' calendar as a result of adherence to Islamic teachings apparently through the prophetic teachings and we strongly believe 'lunar' calendar with certain dates (e.g Ramadhan et al) has their spiritual inclinations. According to Prof. Maurice Buccaile who wrote "The Bible, the Qur'an and Science" justified the nearest accuracy of 'lunar' calendar compare to 'solar' vis-a-vis gregorian calendar. Many theories of different view! The fact that the holy prophet (saws) used those "islamic months", it has become his sunnah which is enjoyed on all muslims: "Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much."~33 vs 21. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 10:01pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
usermane: Now, on to GOD. "ALLAH" is not the exclusive name for our Creator,this has no Scriptural proof. "ALLAH" is only the arabic word for "GOD". And "GOD" is understood as an unfathomable,supreme entity(Qur'an 2:255), not just a name. The only reason why the Qur'an used the word "ALLAH" is because the Qur'an was revealed to an arab man,hence it had to be in arabic, "ALLAH" being the arab 's word for "GOD". Previous scriptures weren't in arabic, like Torah(Old testament) and Gospel(New testament). Hence "GOD" didn't call Himself "ALLAH" in those scriptures. Nice conclusion! "Call Allah or call ar-Rahman; whatever names you call Him, to Him belong the most beautiful names..."~Qur'an. Only salat do we restricted as a muslim to do in the 'Arabic mother' language. Du'a (supplication), khutba, tafsir etc; are allowed in any language best understood and expressed by individual. But bro. ARABIC is rich. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 10:14pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
usermane: I disagree with you here brother. I have read and digested all your view-point. Kindly take your time and read mine with people's accusation esp @thaba1234 and my responses; then we can continue on that:www.nairaland.com/1480939/concept-infallibility-isma www.nairaland.com/1488847/muhammad-saws-error-free-prophet If you don't believe in the all times infallibility of the prophet (saws) then how much trust do you have for authenticity of the Qur'an? Were you there when Jubril descended and revealed the message to him? How do you know which words of his is actually 'revelation' or his personal sage saying except what he himself tells you? Is there God's signature and stamp on each sura revealed? |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 10:14pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
usermane: I disagree with you here brother. I have read and digested all your view-point. Kindly take your time and read mine with people's accusation esp @thaba1234 and my responses; then we can continue on that:www.nairaland.com/1480939/concept-infallibility-isma www.nairaland.com/1488847/muhammad-saws-error-free-prophet If you don't believe in the all times infallibility of the prophet (saws) then how much trust do you have for authenticity of the Qur'an? Were you there when Jubril descended and revealed the message to him? How do you know which words of his is actually 'revelation' or his personal sage saying except what he himself tells you? Is there God's signature and stamp on each sura revealed? |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 10:37pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
usermane: A. Prophet Muhammad was a man like us,not infalible and had his fair share of physical and mental flaws like everyone. Kindly read and digest links sent to you before we embark fully on this. However, the arabic word use in those two verses is "bashar" meaning "mortal"; and not "man who err" as you think. Had it been Muhammad is not somebody who eats, drink, sleeps, work, die (definition of "Bashar", these tribe of his, the Arabs would have presented an "excuse" that "its difficult to follow him since he's immortal". Hence the essence of the verse "say: I am a man like you..." Remember, even before he declare himself as a prophet sent to them, he was known with no fault. In fact his people nicknamed him "as-Sadiq wadul Amin" among other nicknames. He was perfect in his status before being appointed as a prophet. "Revelation" i.e being prophet was icing on his cake. Besides aren't you believe every man is born "sinless" and "pure"? Islam doesn't believe in "original sin". And the fact that man has been given "aql (intellect)" and "ikhtiyar - free-will", you can use both to commit or not to commit. Its a matter of choice not force. And in the case of prophet of God (saws), in additional to these naturally in-built two gift (free-will and intellect), he was able to recognize his Lord...and His creation both in its spiritual dimension whereby "manifest evidence - ilm yaqeen" has been given to him making him far away from sin, mistakes or error as far as this relative world and its spiritual dimension is concern. It will be foolish comparing God who is absolute and above imagination with holy prophet's infallibility. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 10:52pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
usermane: SURAH ABASA chapter 80: 1- 5 1. "He frowned and turned away 2. Because there came to him the blind man 3. And what would make you know, but that, per chance, he might grow in purity 4. Or become reminded so that the reminder should profit him..." NOTE: Many Mufassir (interpreters) don't even spare the person of holy prophet (saws) from rebukarble acts "Frown and turn away (in anger)", they instantly concluded the "frowning and turning away" refer to the prophet; despite earliest surah says: "Had you been mean to them, they would have deserted you". "Indeed you are of (most) exalted character"! SHIA TAFSIR (as explain by Ahl al-bayt)! The fact is that Qur'an does NOT give any evidence that the person who frowned at the blind was the prophet and does not states who is being addressed. Allah did not address the prophet (saws) by title (O prophet or O messenger etc) rather there exists switching in the pronoun from "he" in the first two verses to "you" in the later verses of the Surah. Allah did not state: "YOU frowned and turned away". Rather, he stated: "He frowned and turned away" "Because there came to him the blind man" "And what will make you know..." In Tafsir of sayyid Shubbar it is reported from al- Qummi that: "The verse was revealed about certain banu Ummayah's chiefs who were with the holy prophet. Ibn Umm Makhtoom, the blind man came to the messenger of Allah; the messenger welcome him (replied his greetings) and introduced him to these Ummayyads, one of them was irritated with this poor blind man, frowned and turned away saying: "poor and blinds are his followers". This (the arrogant chief of the Ummayad) is the one being addressed and not the prophet of mercy. Ref: Tafsir al-Mizan, by Alamah Tabatabai; al-Jawhar al-thameen and other Shi'a Tafsir 2. As per Q.40:55 You need to understand the broad meaning of "ghafara" and "dhanb". By God's grace we shall talk more on these in respect to this verse and many verses. Thanks, salam. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 8:42am On Nov 16, 2013 |
usermane: 07. 1. This theory or perception of yours is rejected bro. The exalted position of Muhammad (saws) over others is not an empty or baseless assertion as you think. When Michael H. Hart wrote his famous book "The 100", he listed 100 most influential personalities and measured each with particular standard. Muhammad, the prophet of Islam top the list. Many have written a lot about this personality likewise some have written negative assertions about him (saws). For your assertions to be justified, you need to measure him with certain standards; then you can have a reasonable debate. "My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level." ~Michael H. Hart 2. I'm sorry you have misinterpreted the verses you quoted (2:285 and 3:84). These noble verses talk about similarity in the 'message(risala)' of all prophet sent at different point in time. Take a look at the Jew, Moses (a.s) was the only most recognize figure to them. They don't believe in Jesus or Muhammad. The verses point out the declaration of muslims: "la nufariku bayna ahadin min Rusuli..." (We make No distinction between one and others of His messengers); therefore, "...we hear and obey..." On the contrary, in terms of personalities Qur'an says: "And your Lord is most knowing of whoever is in the heavens and the earth. And We have made some of the prophets exceed others [in various ways], and to David We gave the book [of Psalms].~17:55 "Those Messengers! We exalt some to others; to some of them Allah spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus..."~2:253 NB: In respect to Q2:253, all above-mentioned qualities and more were embodied into Muhammad (saws). What have you read and understand on the personality of Muhammad? Have you come across many noble verses for his exalted position above all other prophets? It is very funny when you try to compare the 'birth' of Adam, Jesus with that of Muhammad. Is that a standard to compare with? Perhaps you could have added 'Eve' whom some believe was created from the rib of Adam. Or 'Melchezdeck' (a myth recorded in the book of Hebrew) who has no father or mother; no begining or end. Qur'an declares: "the similitude of Jesus in the site of God (in terms of creation) is like that of Adam; who was created from soil; then, God pronounce on him "Be" and "it is". ~sura al-Imran. In fact, the creation of ordinary and every man is UNIQUE and miraculous. Can somebody tell you: 'you are once a spermatozoa?'. You wanna talk about the unique stages of foetus development! Its a miracle beyond human comprehension. Tell the scientist of this world to produce a like of it without aid from 'already existing' entity. Back to the 'Greatest of Muhammad'. Many notables have measured him with certain standard in comparism with others; and Muhammad reign supreme. Mahatma Gandhi, Michael H. Hart, George Bernard, Lamartine among many others. "If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls. . . his forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death;..."~Lamartine. Try to define 'greatness' and set certain standard to measure Muhammad (saws) and let's see if he fits or not. "He attained exaltation by his perfection. He dispelled darkness by his beauty. Beauteous are all his qualities. Benediction be on him and on his family." ~Sheik Saadi Shirazi on the personality of Muhammad (saws) Looking forward to your responses. Salam. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 10:22am On Nov 16, 2013 |
usermane: 10. In addition to thaba1234 points! Here some of your assertions are right and some are very wrong. How do you arrived at the conclusion that there isn't such thing as "Islamic names"? There are some names never heard of until the arrival of Islam. The fact that they are Arabic doesn't mean they are not peculiar to Islam alone. In fact there are words in the holy Qur'an never heard of (e.g "Fatir"- dig out, create out) by the arabs which at the end became added to their language. Talk about part of Islamic invention. That's why many scholars are of the opinion that Muhammad came to refine the linguistic of the Arabs with the usage of al-Qur'an among many other things. Majority of attributes of Allah (Asmaul Husna) were never known or heard of by the Arabs until the arrival of Islam. For example ar-Raheem. The Arabs were only familiar with Rahman. Al-mudhathir, al-kawthar, al-Mujtaba, Mur'tadha, etc were common Islamic names never used before by the arabs. Finally, you are very wrong saying: " arab pagans,christians and Jews had such names as..., Muhammad,Mustapha,..." There was NOBODY in the history of the Arabs or world at large with the name MUHAMMAD(the praised one) or MUSTAPHA (the chosen) except the prophet of Islam. If believing in him as a prophet complete one's belief to be a 'muslim' (after Tawhid), then will you say Muhammad must first believe in himself before becoming a "muslim"? That doesn't make any sense. He was not a pagan, a jew, a christian or "a muslim"; he was Hanif (monotheist) just like Ibrahim (a.s). I hope this is well understood lest he whose heart is full of disease and hatred say Al-baqir (Shi'a) doesn't believe in Muhammad to be "muslim". Lol. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 10:58am On Nov 16, 2013 |
usermane: This is a misconception altogether dear brother. All these rites have nothing to do with Abraham or Muhammad being the founder or innovator. Ever since the creation of man had the creator set all those rites for the spiritual up-liftment of mankind. Therefore at every point in time, any prophet sent to a particular place goes with these set of rites (message). That's why muslims believe "all prophets are the same in their message". Only God is the legislator and innovator, prophets were just carrier, guardian, 'enforcer', propagator etc of those basic rites. The time at which all these rites were effected to the fullest was the time of the holy prophet Muhammad (saws). The building and certain rites of Hajj like "tawaf (circumambulation of kaaba)" were not first established at the time of Ibrahim (a.s). We believe (in accordance with many narration) that kaaba has been in existence ever since the creation of this world itself. The building and the rites were first established by the angels and since man inherited the earth, it has undergone different phases of demolition and construction. At the time of Ibrahim (a.s), the foundation was still intact, Allah only asked him to build on it. Even we believe, aside those God established rites, the 'personal practice' (sunnah) of the prophet (saws) which also form bulk of Islamic legislation (not originally found in the holy Qur'an), we believe all these to be from God. "Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired. He has been taught by one mighty in power " ~Sura Najm vs 2-5. "Obey God and His prophet..."~Qur'an Here, for the prophet's obedience enjoyed on all muslim to be rational, it has been synchronized with God's. Meaning he's being directed and protected at all times by God. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 11:17am On Nov 16, 2013 |
usermane: After Tawhid (oneness of God), Nubuwah (prophethood) is next in terms of belief making one a "muslim". This has been the trend since the inception of prophethood by God. Therefore at different time interval, for you to become a "muslim (follower of Islam(here somebody who submit))", after believing in the unity of God, you need to affirm the prophet-hood of the prophet of your time and as well acknowledge those of the past. The Jew are "muslim" in this context for believing in Moses and other prophets before him but are not "muslim" in the general context of the definition of the "Muslim" for failing to accept Jesus and Muhammad. Same thing goes for the christians. Their own is even different entirely because even the "Tawhid (oneness of God)" has been misconstrued. So christian and Jew of the past before Muhammad (and Jesus) (as explained above) were "muslim" but the present age are definitely not. "Everything in the universe in the context of submission to the will of God, willingly or unwillingly, consciously or unconsciously is "Muslim"" So only "muslim" as far as the fundamental set of belief is concern, will enter paradise. Salam. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Nobody: 2:38pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
@ OP what you have written is against usool tafsir. If i know you personally i would declare you a KAFIR |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 3:07pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Sheykul Islam: @ OP what you have written is against usool tafsir. If i know you personally i would declare you a KAFIR SUBHALLAH. you mean to your own philosophy there is no need of intellectual dialouge or debating with him perhaps hes taught could clear? you just declare ur takfir and hunt him to death! pls enough of this abuse to islam. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Nobody: 3:28pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
@ al baqir what method can u you use to convince the OP that the Qur'an is in ARABIC. You said arabic is rich and the quran has to be understood such. The prophet said" opinion based argument of the qur'an is kufr" (ahmad). I want to ask u sincerely does the OP believes such? |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 4:05pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
usermane: INTERMISSION So you mean you've successfully "use your head" to change those so-called misconceptions? Very funny! Dear brother how much do you know about traditional Islamic beliefs? I say traditional because of the 'modern' interpretation and misconception of Islam. How many dialogue have you held with different knowledgeable scholars of Islam on this so-called misconceptions? Islamic beliefs are not set of dry dogmatic belief. Intellectually, philosophically, scientifically Islamic beliefs have been proven over and over. How much research have you done to just jump into conclusion before "something spoke to you to use your head?" What is the capacity of your intelligent? What are the tools you are using to widen your horizon intellectually? Dear username I'm afraid you have a LONG LONG journey ahead of you. Keep your head down, open up your heart, read, digest, and "ask those who know if you do not" ~Qur'an. Salam |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 4:31pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Al-Baqir: It is true the Prophet used lunar calendar. But you cant compare their era with ours. They had very limited knowledge of science then and the best they could come up with is moon sighting. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Nobody: 4:37pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
@ al baqir u have had it from the horses mouth. To be sincere which muslim will make such blasphemous statement. In the republic of iran if he makes such statements his head will be seperated from his neck. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 5:01pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Al-Baqir: listen, when we say prophet was fallible or commited sins we are not saying he used to cheat,drink,smoke or gamble. We are saying he made mistakes, in his daily life aside recitation of the revealations. He was not angel without freewill to disobey God. There are such verses were God even warned the Prophet of going astray, also verses like 69:43-46 tells that the prophet had the freewill to invent teachings and attribute them to God. Lastly 22:52, what does it say? Messengers efforts or wishes are not invisible to the devil 's schemes. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by usermane(m): 5:11pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Sheykul Islam: @ al baqir u have had it from the horses mouth. To be sincere which muslim will make such blasphemous statement. In the republic of iran if he makes such statements his head will be seperated from his neck. Sheikh, u know why lot of non muslims detest traditional muslims? Becos most of them are quick to resort to violence in order to get what they want. That has been the way of of ummayads, abbasids, and ottoman empire and the traditional muslims of today have inherited this non islamic attitude from their mentors. Sheikh the way i see it, you are no different from Abubakar Shekau, boko haram leader. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 5:59pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
usermane: Arabic...Qur'an recitation...Du'a etc All these are assertion of a lazy man. When Dr. Maurice Buccaile, a french by birth and tongue wanted to journey through the Qur'an, he never satisfied with 'different' translation abound around. He sacrificed certain years of his life to learn Arabic at a university in Saudi Arabia to be able to read, understand (the true meaning) of the Qur'an in its original form. Only then did he embark on his famous book "The bible, the Quran and science". Have you ever compare different bible versions? Can you see discrepancies abound in them? That's a result of "losing the original text". Don't you know there's an intellectual, linguistic and spiritual connection between a message and the language its being revealed? What do you know about linguistic usage of language? What do you know about language and spiritualism? What do you know about spiritualism itself? Okay take a look at Yoruba mythology (I hope you are a yoruba man dear friend), there's a great connection between yoruba language and Ifa, for example. It will be a woe for a non yoruba to understand and appreciate the connection, rhythm and harmony between Ifa and Yoruba language. Do you want to tell me english translations of Arabic Qur'an is the exact meaning? How many different translation abound with numerous variations which normally distort the meaning of several "words". For example the word "Nafs, Qalb, Ruh". How do you translate them into english? What you see is "Soul or mind or person, heart, spirit" respectively. I tell you with confidence its far from that but that might be nearest in meaning. Even the Arabs are awe and amazed as to the linguistic of Qur'an despite being their dialect. Till today, they learn linguistically from the Qur'an. What you read in English (of the Qur'an) is far from what you can understand had it been you can handle the Arabic. You will feel the rhythm, the connection... Let me cite an example here: Sura Nisai vs 1. It reads: "Ya hayua Nas taqu Rabbakumu ledhi khalaqakum min NAFSIN wahidatin wa khalaqa MINHA ZAWJAHA..." There are two translation for this verse which distorted the meaning and perception of the whole verse entirely. In fact different set of beliefs are carved out from this. There's a connection, linguistic understanding between "NAFs" and "Min" and "ha" and "Zawja"as used in the verse. 1st translation reads: "O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife..." (Muhsin khan) Here the connection and emphasis is on "NAFs", "MIN", "HA" and " ZAWJAHA" which is being translated as "single person (Adam)" and "from him his wife". Therefore a belief is set here that God created Eve from Adam's (rib). 2nd translation and belief: " O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind)..."(Shakir) "O mankind! Reverence your guardian lord Who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, his mate..." (Yusuf Ali) Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary on these verse reads: "504: Nafs may mean: (1) soul;(2)self; (3) person, living person; (4) will, good pleasure, as in iv below (verse 4). Minha: I follow the construction suggested by Imam Razi. The particle MIN would then suggest here not a portion or a source of something else, but a species, a nature, a similarity. The pronoun HA refers of course to NAFS. The Biblical story of the creation of Eve from the rib of Adam may be allegorical, but we need not assume it in Quranic teachings. " Limiting oneself to a particular translation without primary arabic guideline and knowledge will definitely carve out a set of belief and understanding that might not reflect the true meaning. Lastly, Had it been you've study Islamic spiritualism then you will know the connection of recitation of the holy Qur'an and Du'a (traditional from Qur'an or any other authentic source from the prophet) in Arabic. Please read: www.al-islam.org/al-serat/vol-14-no1-spring-1988/islam-quran-and-arabic-literature-elsayed-m-h-omran Generally as far as du'a (supplication) is concern, you are free to express yourself in whatever language you understand most. Thanks for your time. Salam |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 6:36pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
usermane: Science is as old as mankind. What you should have said is widespread of a particular knowledge is limited and rare then than now. And I tell you what we know now (as far as our advancement in science and tech)will be a laughing stock tomorrow. As per the prophet (saws). Haven't you read the Qur'an: "And He taught Adam the nature of ALL things..."~sura al-Baqara vs 31. This knowledge is so unique that even the spiritual angels were asked to bow for reverence. This knowledge of ALL things has been embodied into each loin of Adam. We are told by scientific research that out of 100% of our God-given intellect, we've only manage to use 14% in this modern day. Is that the limitation? Depending on how use can think and reflect deeply by combining the worlds and carved out the harmonious relation between them. Albert Heinstein's reflection is so great that he thinks ahead of his time; many could not understand some of his discovery or saying. It takes us years after his demise before getting the full gist of his. Do you think years of hidden at cave hira of the prophet was just a merry-making relaxation? Muhammad (saws) enjoyed the perfection of Adam's knowledge of ALL thing but difficult to communicate at that highest stage to every tom dick and harry around him. What you know of basics of Chemistry today was an invention of (for example) Jabir Ibn Hayyan (Geber), many century old muslim scholar. Chemist of today only built on that foundation. What you know of Medicine today was an invention of Ibn sina (Avicenna) and Ibn Rushdi (Averroe). His book of "cannon of medicine" was the bed-rock of modern medicine in which the european built on. The science of embriology was just discovered 50years ago while Allah has filled His prophet's heart with the knowledge (in the Qur'an) 1700years ago. This is difficult for him to explain for the less intelligent companions of his. What about the ancient Egyptian technologist and scientist? Or you wanna talk about the ancient chinese? These are mere scholars compare to the great Muhammad himself (saws). "And while I stood there I saw more than I can tell and I understood more than I saw; for I was seeing in a sacred manner the shapes of all things in the spirit, and the shape of all shapes as they must live together like one being"~Black Elk I tell you my prophet (saws) was more than that and I say : “Thousand times was I to wash my mouth with rose water it would still be insolence to utter your beautiful name.” Salam. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 6:38pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
usermane: Science is as old as mankind. What you should have said is widespread of a particular knowledge is limited and rare then than now. And I tell you what we know now (as far as our advancement in science and tech)will be a laughing stock tomorrow. As per the prophet (saws). Haven't you read the Qur'an: "And He taught Adam the nature of ALL things..."~sura al-Baqara vs 31. This knowledge is so unique that even the spiritual angels were asked to bow for reverence. This knowledge of ALL things has been embodied into each loin of Adam. We are told by scientific research that out of 100% of our God-given intellect, we've only manage to use 14% in this modern day. Is that the limitation? Depending on how use can think and reflect deeply by combining the worlds and carved out the harmonious relation between them. Albert Heinstein's reflection is so great that he thinks ahead of his time; many could not understand some of his discovery or saying. It takes us years after his demise before getting the full gist of his. Do you think years of hidden at cave hira of the prophet was just a merry-making relaxation? Muhammad (saws) enjoyed the perfection of Adam's knowledge of ALL thing but difficult to communicate at that highest stage to every tom dick and harry around him. What you know of basics of Chemistry today was an invention of (for example) Jabir Ibn Hayyan (Geber), many century old muslim scholar. Chemist of today only built on that foundation. What you know of Medicine today was an invention of Ibn sina (Avicenna) and Ibn Rushdi (Averroe). His book of "cannon of medicine" was the bed-rock of modern medicine in which the european built on. What about the ancient Egyptian technologist and scientist? Or you wanna talk about the ancient chinese? These are mere scholars compare to the great Muhammad himself (saws). "And while I stood there I saw more than I can tell and I understood more than I saw; for I was seeing in a sacred manner the shapes of all things in the spirit, and the shape of all shapes as they must live together like one being"~Black Elk I tell you my prophet (saws) was more than that and I say : “Thousand times was I to wash my mouth with rose water it would still be insolence to utter your beautiful name.” Salam. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 6:55pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
usermane: I wouldn't have been wasting my precious time had it been am talking of prophet's infallibility in the context of stealing, gambling, drinking and smoking. Even an ordinary sane rational human being don't indulge himself in all those stuffs because he already knew their repercurssion. So why would not the prophet of God intellectually aware of all that? I am talking in the context of relativity as far as mistake is concern (as we live in a relative world). Prophets commit no mistakes or error or sin. I have already discourse certain misinterpreted verses of the holy Qur'an in the comments and replies of the link I sent you. Hope you will find time to read and digest them. Salam. |
Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by AlBaqir(m): 6:56pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
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Re: Ten Misconceptions Among Muslims by Nobody: 8:43pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
[quote author=usermane] Sheikh, u know why lot of non muslims detest traditional muslims? Becos most of them are quick to resort to violence in order to get what they want. That has been the way of of ummayads, abbasids, and ottoman empire and the traditional muslims of today have inherited this non islamic attitude from their mentors. Sheikh the way i see it, you are no different from Abubakar Shekau, boko haram leader.[/quote] what is this one saying?? If i we the traditional muslims were voilent, people like you will not be in existence. 1 Like 1 Share |
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