okeyxyz:

This question has already been hacked before it was concluded. Who the heck are the two jokers who liked this post?? I'm guessing @plaeteon was one.

We may not be able to pinpoint the intrinsic consciousness of another entity but it's consciousness is very evident in that every living thing responds to stimuli, whether hostile or friendly(read my response to @plaetton's question on virus). Now we know the difference between a dead body from a living one in that the living one responds to stimuli. The dead body cannot respond because it's consciousness has been separated from it.

So we may not know what another entity might be thinking but we can be sure it is alive and thus conscious. GBAM!!!

A response to stimuli isn't necessarily consciousness, because consciousness goes further to the point of self awareness! So you are seriously mistaken to believe a mere response to stimuli is an attribute of consciousness.

It is even ridiculous to believe the enivornment is what stimulates consciousness in the same way stimuli do. It is still an intrinsic fact.

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So tell us, what other types of entities respond to stimuli if not living/conscious ones?? There has to first be an awareness of self which would then determine if the stimulus is friendly or hostile. You disagree??

okeyxyz: ^^^^

So tell us, what other types of entities respond to stimuli if not living/conscious ones?? There has to first be an awareness of self which would then determine if the stimulus is friendly or hostile. You disagree??

I totally disagree with you. Again response to stimuli can be mechanical and not in terms of friendly or hostile rather what environment is agreeable or disagreeable.

On the issue of pain and consciousness, physical pain operates on reflexes, preconceived mechanical reactions. For example I dip my hand into a bucket of hot water of about 100 oC, there isn't any contemplation required to withdraw. If one's cognitive functions shut down, pain would still trigger such reaction.

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What the heck are you on about?? Okay I challenge you to name one stimilus reaction that is not geared towards the interest and preservation of a conscious/living entity. Whether reflex or post-contemplative reaction the bottom line is that it serves the preservative interest of a consciousness entity. Response to stimulus is about the only objective evidence of life/consciousness, or at least a residue life/consciousness.

Even the words you use to make your arguments(ie: ...preconceived mechanical reactions...) suggest that reflex action are derived from conscious, contemplated purposes.

Self preservation can easily be an unconscious drive seated safely within an individual out of reach from himself.

I put it to you that man develops his most dangerous ideas that harm his chances of self preservation by rationalization and contemplation

Deep Sight:

What? The truth doesnt become me?

Commot dia joor

no. the unnecessary pot shots.

the truth?

Mr Troll: no. the unnecessary pot shots.

the truth?

Lol, that is not always to be taken seriously. Jibes, really.

Deep Sight:

Lol, that is not always to be taken seriously. Jibes, really.

ok o. if you say so

theere may nt be now but the possiblity for this technology to evolve should nt be understated...the 'i-robot' scenario comes to mind...granted its jst a movie!!!!

okeyxyz:

Proof?? Really?? I laugh in dothraki

There's no such thing as artificial consciousness. You rush too quickly and naively to declare the above. The only proof here is your lack of understanding of the world of computing and programming. What the robot in the OP does is simply captures data, identifies/determines patterns in the data and organizes such data to simulate learning(it's actually a trick in it's algorithm, rather than actual learning). Like I said before, there's no such thing as artificial or computer borne consciousness. Consciousness entails self-awareness, self-identity, self-determination(eg: ambition) and self-preservation. How can a computer be any of these. Does this program ever ask itself why it is doing what it is doing? It can't because it is not self-conscious. A conscious entity would be aware that it acts in certain ways either out of pleasure, or the will to survive or dominate in it's environment, etc, in other words self-interest. So what is the self-interest of this program? None!! It's just a robot, just processing what it's programmed to process in order to simulate learning.

yup

Reyginus: I admire artificial intelligence but not without control. The implication in the future would be disastrous.
I think one can make a better sense if he understands the robot perfectly. If one can get the complete specifications and working mechanism of the robot, I think, that's when we can know the right thing to say.
The information above is not sufficient to build an argument.

hmmm

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