Philipsdael: Fact

emk4lif: They'll sure be tougher zombies than those Rick Grimes faces in Walking dead, Ezekiel also apparently conjured bony zombies too....the bible is such a fascinating collection of fables....

emk4lif: They'll sure be tougher zombies than those Rick Grimes faces in Walking dead, Ezekiel also apparently conjured bony zombies too....the bible is such a fascinating collection of fables....

aManFromMars: hmm, ph ppl don dey plenty for here. wetin happen?

darnley16: I'm a gothic rocer , a proud atheist, I stay In PH too

aManFromMars: hmm, ph ppl don dey plenty for here. wetin happen?

Mr Troll: me sef no know say atheists dey Ph o! where una de hide na?

Philipsdael: Bro,
Your threads are always facinating with interesting topics that gives much insight that can make a Thinker reduces the ideology of spiritism (expecially christianity) matter of fact, i started ff you when i notice your insights, pardon me as i deviate a little from this topic, like i said in the first 2 comment, you've said the fact" as i deviate from the topic, i'll like to know your ideology of being convince that "God doesn't exist" cos thats the believe of an Atheist.

darnley16: lol we deh o, I've never hidden mybelif frm$ anybody b4 my whole class knows(law2 UST)

darnley16: bro the list is endless, u could meet new atheist all around Nigeria.. On our facebook page "Nigerian Atheists" where all ur questions about atheism are all answered there, thx I hope tht helped a little

Philipsdael:
its alryt...!
Ride-on, so long as there's peace n harmony in what u do and it gives u joy..... Thats all that matter.

darnley16: haha na we sure pass na, PH boys on Point

Mr Troll: me sef no know say atheists dey Ph o! where una de hide na?

Exactly what I asked myself.

But I got my answers already.

They are inferior chaps who delight in causing rampage in the church just like the coward-in-chief satan

Eze Promoe:
Exactly what I asked myself.

But I got my answers already.

They are inferior chaps who delight in causing rampage in the church just like the coward-in-chief satan

Restro Flamez: Fvcking
christains refuse to listen to reasons

GeneralShepherd:
Why not let them be? Aren't you trying so hard to evangelise? Before a man discards God He needs to think things through for himself!

Restro Flamez: fvcking christians

Restro Flamez: fvcking christians

Eze Promoe:
Exactly what I asked myself.

But I got my answers already.

They are inferior chaps who delight in causing rampage in the church just like the coward-in-chief satan

GeneralShepherd:

You need a brain transplant my dear

darnley16: What's up How ya
doing?
Here’s something that
occurred to me a while ago. So
I was inspired to hub about it.
But first, let me say this. I'm
not trying to prove the Bible is
true or false. I'm just taking an
open-minded look at what's
written in it and reporting
what I see.
Some people find certain
verses in the Bible, difficult,
contradictory and hard to
understand. But just shrug
and say "oh well!", and go on
their merry way. I'm not one of
those people.
So here we go,
"And Jesus cried out again
with a loud voice, and yielded
up His spirit. And behold, the
veil of the temple was torn in
two from top to bottom; and
the earth shook and the rocks
were split. The tombs were
opened, and many bodies of
the saints who had fallen
asleep were raised; and
coming out of the tombs. After
His resurrection they entered
the holy city and appeared to
many". Matt 27:50-53
Don't you find this story
interesting? I find it very
interesting. I never hear
anyone, believers or preachers
etc. talk about his scenario.
Dead saints rising from their
graves and walking among the
living, like zombies in the
"Night Of The Living Dead"
zombie movie! Woe!
In as much as I'd admit I laughed when I read this, I still have to point out a few things that might be meaningful or meaningless to you depending on how you intend to view it.
"They were raised from the dead" in this context refers to total reanimation as opposed to that of the zombies you mentioned here which I'd term partial reanimation; reason being zombies are not reanimated to full consciousness. Hope We're clear on the zombie part

How many times, have some
of you read this story and just
kind of glossed over the dead
saints rising from their graves
part?
Isn't Jesus supposed to be the
only person to come back from
the dead?
Nope actually a few other people did come back/were reanimated after they previously were dead.. Here are examples...
1. Elijah resurrected the son of Zarephath's widow 1 Kings 17:17-24
2. Elisha resurrected the son of the great Shunammite woman 2 Kings 4. 2 Kings 4:35 specifics
3. A dead man comes back to life when he touches Elisha's bones Kings 13:21
4. Jesus resurrects the widow's son at Nain Luke 7:13-15
5. Jesus raises Jairus' daughter from the dead Matthew 9:25
6. Jesus raises Lazarus from the dead John 11:43-44
I tried my best to make sure the one's I mentioned below we're before the death of Our Savior to clear any misconception.

Isn't that a major reason why
Christians believe in Jesus?

Are you kidding me, you cant understand what you don't believe, the reason for your confusion.
Here are some reasons Christians believe in Jesus.
1. His Virgin Birth: Prophet Isiah had said Jesus would be born of a virgin Isaiah 7:14, then again Matthew 1:18-25 tells us how Jesus was born.
2. Fulfilled Prophecy: Jesus fulfilled over three hundred prophecies. He had the right ancestors - Abraham and David (Matthew 1:1-17). He was born in the right city - Bethlehem (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:5-6). He died on the cross (Isaiah 53). He rose from the dead (Psalm 16:8-10; Luke 24:6, 31, 34).
3. His Sinless Life: The Bible teaches all men have sinned (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:6-10). But, Jesus did not commit sin (1 Peter 2:21-23). Jesus was tempted just like us, but he did not sin (Hebrews 4:14-15; Matthew 4:1-11).
4. His Miracles: Bible verses and list is endless

I hope we're Cleared on this issue.

Isn’t that part of what they say
makes him different from
anyone else in history?
Already Cleared ..

.But here you have dead
saints rising from the dead
before Jesus does! Uh Oh!
Houston! I think we have a
problem.
Wrong Again

Why don't Christians and
preachers talk about this
incident? They do, you probably didn't listen or you probably never had the chance to listen since they preach in a place called the Church
Why do they skip
over it and only focus on Jesus'
rising from the dead?
Already Cleared
Are we supposed to take this
story literally? That multiple
dead people, including Jesus
"came" back from the dead
and showed themselves to
many people, but that news
didn't spread beyond that area
where the incident supposedly
occurred?I don't think so. Absolutely, that's why you need the Holy Spirit for divine intervention
No historians from those times
mention this tale. Who said they didn't ?? Remember Atheists ?? Remember they don't believe??
Here's the first clue that this
story wasn't written during the
time this incident supposedly
occurred or by those who
supposedly witnessed it. Give Scooby a Snack, he might find out more clues
Dead saints!
What dead saints are they
talking about? Were there
saints in the Judaism during
that time? No.
Were there saints in
Christianity at that time? No. Go through your definition and insert its meaning here, this should enlighten you more. Until then..
Christianity didn't exist until
well after Jesus' supposed
"ascension" to heaven. So
they couldn't have been
Christian saints. The Bible didn't say they we're Christian Saints, where's you get yours from?? So whose
saints were they?
Lets see what Eason's Bible
Dictionary says about the word
saint,
(Saint)
"one separated from the world
and consecrated to God; one
holy by profession and by
covenant; a believer in Christ I hope you know the meanings are divided by the semicolons e.g "One separated from the world and consecrated to God" is one meaning of the word Saint, while "One holy by profession and by covenant" is another. Hope you get the logic.
(Psalms 16:3, Romans 1:7 Phil
1:1;Hebrews 6:10).
(The "saints" spoken of in Jude
1:14 are probably not the
disciples of Christ, but the
"innumerable company of
angels" ( Hebrews 12:22 ;
Psalms 68:17, with reference
to Deuteronomy 33:2.This
word is also used of the holy
dead Voila!!.. I hope you Understand (Matthew 27:52 ;
Revelation 18:24). It was not
used as a distinctive title of
the apostles and evangelists
and of a "spiritual nobility" till
the fourth century. In that
sense it is not a scriptural
title".) Are you serious? What happened to the one(s) in Deuteronomy ch 33 ??. Oh! you hid them under the sheets. Gotcha!.
So, they couldn't have been
Christian apostles and
evangelists, because they
weren't called saints until the
fourth century AD, way after
this story was supposedly
written in the first century AD. Now you're no longer making sense.
So which brand of Christianity
had saints in the fourth
century AD? Bruh!... I rest my case....

El correcto! Catholic
Christianity.
So I would say that this story
had to have been written after
the establishment of Catholic
Christianity and the Catholic
Church, in the fourth century
AD, because that's when the
apostle's and evangelists were
first called saints, wouldn't you
agree?
Do you really believe that if
dead Saints (zombies) came
out of their graves and walked
among the living it wouldn't
have made the "news" of day
or even leave a blip on the
radar screen of ancient
history, except in this story?
If you do...I want some of what
you been smoking!
And what happen to these
zombie saints?
The story says they showed
themselves to many people
after Jesus' resurrection, but
after that we her nothing
about them. Did they climb
back into their graves? Where
did they go? The zombie
saints seemed to be
mentioned in this story, along
with the temple cracking and
the earth quaking, to make
Jesus' death seem like a
supernatural occurrence.
I think this is a made up story.
The reason I say this along
with the other things I’ve
pointed out, is, if Jesus was
the "son of God" and
contradictory, "God in the
flesh". Why did he have to
die? Believers might say to
show he had power over
death. Then why is it when he
was dying on the cross he
cried out "My, My God Why
Have You forsaken me?
" Now from the sixth hour
darkness fell upon all the land
until the ninth hour.About the
ninth hour Jesus cried out with
a loud voice, saying, “ELI, ELI,
LAMA SABACHTHANI?” that is,
“MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE
YOU FORSAKEN ME?” Matt
27:45-46
Do you think Jesus was crying
out to himself for help or to
someone other them himself
for help?
I think the obvious answer is
someone other than himself
for help. All of this places the
authenticity of this story in the
"great bin of doubt" for me,
what about for you?
Either those who wrote this
story were too stupid to see
the glaring contradictions in
this tale. Or thought those
who would read it, were too
stupid to see them. But then
again, not many people could
read or write during those
times. Priests were the ones
who could read and write and
who educated the royalty and
the nobles. Most of the
common folks couldn't read or
write.
You've heard how if you
whisper something in
someone's ear at party and
tell them to whisper it in
someone else's ear and they
into someone else's ear and so
on and so on. That by the time
it gets back to you. It may
sound nothing like what you
originally said.
So imagine if some Hebrew
speaking person, told a story
like this one to one or more
people thousands of years
ago. Then those people told to
it other people and they told it
to other people and so on and
so on. Then Greek speaking
people learned the story and
told it to others and they told
it to others and so on and so
on. Then Latin speaking
people learned the story and
told to others and so on and so
on. Finally, Old English
speaking people learned the
story and told to others and so
on and so on. And this went on
for thousands of years. Then
we learned the story in
modern English from others
who learned the story from
others and so and so on.
Do you think that story would
sound anything like the
original story told in Hebrew?
Or the one told in Greek? Or
the one told in Latin? On the
one told in Old English?
And your answer is......... I
thought so!
What if this story about Jesus
and the dead zombie saints
rising from their graves and
walking among the living,
were about Buddha or some
other non-Christian god-man,
and you're a Christian would
you believe this story was
true? I didn't think so.
Now apply that same logic to
this story. Do you believe this
story is true?
And your answer is a
resounding...........
To paraphrase the Buddha,
those who accept tradition on
faith, are like a chain of blind
men, holding hands over time,
passing along the message of
what the first one said he saw.
And to quote Jesus, "... if the
blind lead the blind, both shall
fall into the ditch."

BossTtdiamonds: Please do learn to format, you don't just copy and paste articles. The way the whole thing is presented is quite annoying and would throw people from reading at first glance. Please do make necessary corrections the next time you post.

Well let me try to point out a few things in what you've written.

darnley16:

Matt 27:50-53

darnley16:
Isn't Jesus supposed to be the
only person to come back from
the dead?

darnley16:
Are we supposed to take this
story literally? That multiple
dead people, including Jesus
"came" back from the dead
and showed themselves to
many people, but that news
didn't spread beyond that area
where the incident supposedly
occurred? I don't think so.
No historians from those times
mention this tale.

darnley16:
Here's the first clue that this
story wasn't written during the
time this incident supposedly
occurred or by those who
supposedly witnessed it.

darnley16:
Dead saints!
What dead saints are they
talking about? Were there
saints in the Judaism during
that time? No.
Were there saints in
Christianity at that time? No.
Christianity didn't exist until
well after Jesus' supposed
"ascension" to heaven. So
they couldn't have been
Christian saints. So whose
saints were they?

darnley16:
Lets see what Eason's Bible
Dictionary says about the word
saint,
(Saint)
"one separated from the world
and consecrated to God; one
holy by profession and by
covenant; a believer in Christ
(Psalms 16:3, Romans 1:7 Phil
1:1;Hebrews 6:10).
(The "saints" spoken of in Jude
1:14 are probably not the
disciples of Christ, but the
"innumerable company of
angels" ( Hebrews 12:22 ;
Psalms 68:17, with reference
to Deuteronomy 33:2.This
word is also used of the holy
dead (Matthew 27:52 ;
Revelation 18:24). It was not
used as a distinctive title of
the apostles and evangelists
and of a "spiritual nobility" till
the fourth century. In that
sense it is not a scriptural
title".)
So, they couldn't have been
Christian apostles and
evangelists, because they
weren't called saints until the
fourth century AD, way after
this story was supposedly
written in the first century AD.
So which brand of Christianity
had saints in the fourth
century AD?
El correcto! Catholic
Christianity.

darnley16:
So I would say that this story
had to have been written after
the establishment of Catholic
Christianity and the Catholic
Church, in the fourth century
AD, because that's when the
apostle's and evangelists were
first called saints, wouldn't you
agree?

darnley16:
Do you really believe that if
dead Saints (zombies) came
out of their graves and walked
among the living it wouldn't
have made the "news" of day
or even leave a blip on the
radar screen of ancient
history, except in this story?
If you do...I want some of what
you been smoking!
And what happen to these
zombie saints?

darnley16:
Why did he have to
die?

darnley16:
Do you think Jesus was crying
out to himself for help or to
someone other them himself
for help?
I think the obvious answer is
someone other than himself
for help.

darnley16:
All of this places the
authenticity of this story in the
"great bin of doubt" for me,
what about for you?

darnley16:
Either those who wrote this
story were too stupid to see
the glaring contradictions in
this tale. Or thought those
who would read it, were too
stupid to see them. But then
again, not many people could
read or write during those
times. Priests were the ones
who could read and write and
who educated the royalty and
the nobles. Most of the
common folks couldn't read or
write.

darnley16:
You've heard how if you
whisper something in
someone's ear at party and
tell them to whisper it in
someone else's ear and they
into someone else's ear and so
on and so on. That by the time
it gets back to you. It may
sound nothing like what you
originally said.
So imagine if some Hebrew
speaking person, told a story
like this one to one or more
people thousands of years
ago. Then those people told to
it other people and they told it
to other people and so on and
so on. Then Greek speaking
people learned the story and
told it to others and they told
it to others and so on and so
on. Then Latin speaking
people learned the story and
told to others and so on and so
on. Finally, Old English
speaking people learned the
story and told to others and so
on and so on. And this went on
for thousands of years. Then
we learned the story in
modern English from others
who learned the story from
others and so and so on.
Do you think that story would
sound anything like the
original story told in Hebrew?
Or the one told in Greek? Or
the one told in Latin? On the
one told in Old English?
And your answer is......... I
thought so!

darnley16:
What if this story about Jesus
and the dead zombie saints
rising from their graves and
walking among the living,
were about Buddha or some
other non-Christian god-man,
and you're a Christian would
you believe this story was
true? I didn't think so.
Now apply that same logic to
this story. Do you believe this
story is true?
And your answer is a
resounding...........

darnley16:
To paraphrase the Buddha,
those who accept tradition on
faith, are like a chain of blind
men, holding hands over time,
passing along the message of
what the first one said he saw.
And to quote Jesus, "... if the
blind lead the blind, both shall
fall into the ditch."