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What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by KunleOshob(m): 4:30pm On Jul 18, 2008
I am just wondering since Islam is a relatively recent religion ( i think it started around the 5th / 6th century A.D) who or what did the people who Islam originated from worshipped before then. In the case of the christian religion, we know the Jews practised and still practise Judaism. Answers anyone?
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by IbrahimB: 5:36pm On Jul 18, 2008
The Arabs prior to the arrival of Muhammad (pbuh) were practising idolatory and violent sectarianism. They carved and worshipped idols whom they believed to be intermediary to the almighty God. In addition, they had some funny cultures: for example the burying of Female children alive was usual, because women were regarded then as shameful to the family.

Tribalism also raged the Arabian Peninsula; Revenge Killings were customary. If a Hashimite dared kill a Quraishi the Quraishi could wipe off about 20 Hashimites in reprisal attacks.

Prostitution was also common as were drunkenness. The coming of Muhammad put an end to all the aforementioned and under his leadership forged a united people who were to be the torching light of the whole world for centuries. His triumphant entry into Mecca saw the destruction of more than 360 idols from God's House; Wine was never again drunk.

The Arabs before the advent of Islam were such; one wonders had Muhammad not been born, what good such people would come at and how the course of History, of which he was a significant influence, would have been,

IbrahimB
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by morpheus24: 6:08pm On Jul 18, 2008
IbrahimB:

The Arabs prior to the arrival of Muhammad (pbuh) were practising idolatory and violent sectarianism. They carved and worshipped idols whom they believed to be intermediary to the almighty God. In addition, they had some funny cultures: for example the burying of Female children alive was usual, because women were regarded then as shameful to the family.

Tribalism also raged the Arabian Peninsula; Revenge Killings were customary. If a Hashimite dared kill a Quraishi the Quraishi could wipe off about 20 Hashimites in reprisal attacks.

Prostitution was also common as were drunkenness. The coming of Muhammad put an end to all the aforementioned and under his leadership forged a united people who were to be the torching light of the whole world for centuries. His triumphant entry into Mecca saw the destruction of more than 360 idols from God's House; Wine was never again drunk.

The Arabs before the advent of Islam were such; one wonders had Muhammad not been born, what good such people would come at and how the course of History, of which he was a significant influence, would have been,

IbrahimB

One should wonder too if Jesus/isa had not been born how the nations of Europe would be today as far as Barbarism, uniting their kingdoms and the transformation of their societies into what they are today. HMMMMMM
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by PastorAIO: 6:58pm On Jul 18, 2008
The Arabs had many gods and also Tribal Gods. The Tribal god of the Quraishi was called Allah and he had three daughters. Al -Lat, Al-Uzzi, and Manat. The qureishi also controlled Mecca and the Kabba which was the place where all their idols were stored.

I think europe was doing quite well prior to christianity. Remember that Rome ruled the world and the culture was basically hellenic, with it's attendant strong philosophical and humanistic traditions. It was after the final fall of Rome and the rise of the christian Holy Roman Empire that Europe fell into what is today called the dark ages. This continued until the renaissance when europe rediscovered the Classics of Ancient greece and rome (interestingly enough, thanks to the islamic arabs). This revival was strongly resisted by the Church on many fronts. (although to give credit where it is due the church also preserved many greek texts).

I seem to sense a kind of reverence for europe which i think is misguided. But most importantly I find it necessary to point out that its seeming advancement has nothing to do with christianity. If anything, the scientific and social 'advancements' made in the western world and the arab world occurred as a result of their contact and reverence of greek humanistic philosophy.
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by morpheus24: 7:29pm On Jul 18, 2008
Pastor AIO:

I seem to sense a kind of reverence for europe which i think is misguided. But most importantly I find it necessary to point out that its seeming advancement has nothing to do with christianity. If anything, the scientific and social 'advancements' made in the western world and the arab world occurred as a result of their contact and reverence of greek humanistic philosophy.

I concurr with your point above only to say the reverence to europe is actually a way to make the point that many peoples in history make significant impacts to societies and the world at large without the importance of their affiliations to one region or religion being highlighted as a form of ethnocentrism . A conquering one has profound effects on the world at large be it Arabs, Romans, Greeks, Persians .

Just my 2 cents.
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by IbrahimB: 3:36pm On Jul 19, 2008
Yes, Morpheus24 I do concur with you on the significance of Jesus to world history, as were other religious figures like Moses and Bhudda. The world might be becoming increasingly atheistic but one cannot deny the positive influence religious leaders have had.

I disagree with you Pastor AIO. 'Allah' is the name of the one true God according to Muslims and to Arabs of all faith. Etymologically it is similar to the 'Elah/Eloi' of the Aramaic language.

Allah has no daughters and this the Qur'an emphatically stresses in several places. For example in Qur'an 112 it is stated: "He does not beget nor is He begotten and there is none like Him" as several passages in the Qur'an.

The pagan Arabs indeed, in their misguidance did say the Angels were the daughters of God which was condemned by the advent of Muhammad. 'Allah' is not a tribal god but the universal God. If you read the very first verse of the Qur'an (1:1) it says "Praise be to God (Allah), Lord of the Worlds, "

There is no where in the Qur'an where it is stated that God has daughters (or sons or children or father or mother or whatever). I think we should cite the Qur'an as the authority concerning Islam,

If you called God 'Jehovah', 'Ubangiji' or whatever it's all the same. God taught all peoples of the world His name in their languages.

IbrahimB

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Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by tpia: 4:54pm On Jul 19, 2008
oh please.

The world is not becoming increasingly atheistic.

And even if it were, as long as there are human beings, there will always be religion.
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by PastorAIO: 6:09pm On Jul 20, 2008
IbrahimB:


I disagree with you Pastor AIO. 'Allah' is the name of the one true God according to Muslims and to Arabs of all faith. Etymologically it is similar to the 'Elah/Eloi' of the Aramaic language.


As indeed they are all etymologically connected to El which is the chief god of most semitic peoples yet who had sons and daughters etc.
Cognate forms are found throughout the Semitic languages with the exception of the ancient Ge'ez language of Ethiopia. Forms include Ugaritic ’il, pl. ’lm; Phoenician ’l pl. ’lm, Hebrew ’ēl, pl. ’⁏lîm; Aramaic ’l, Arabic ʾilāh; Akkadian ilu, pl. ilāti. The original meaning may have been 'strength, power'. In northwest Semitic usage ’l was both a generic word for any 'god' and the special name or title of a particular god who was distinguished from other gods as being the god, or in the monotheistic sense, God. Ēl is listed at the head of many pantheons. El was the father god among the Canaanites. However, because the word sometimes refers to a god other than the great god Ēl, it is frequently ambiguous as to whether Ēl followed by another name means the great god Ēl with a particular epithet applied or refers to another god entirely. For example, in the Ugaritic texts ’il mlk is understood to mean 'Ēl the King' but ’il hd as 'the god Hadad' Taken from here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(god)

In yoruba thought we have the different Oosa. They have a leader called Obatala who is on many occasions just called Oosa. Oosa refers to the head as well as the individual dieties. There is still a distinction from Olodumare.
There is no where in the Qur'an where it is stated that God has daughters (or sons or children or father or mother or whatever). I think we should cite the Qur'an as the authority concerning Islam,

I take it that you haven't heard of the Satanic Verses.
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by babs787(m): 7:44pm On Jul 20, 2008
@Pastor A.I.O


I take it that you haven't heard of the Satanic Verses.


There are verses in which you wrongfully interpreted and these are the verses:

Q 53 V 19: : Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,

Q 53 V 20 : And another, the third (goddess), Manat?


Does the Quran actually state that Allah has three daughters?


Non-Muslims love quoting the above but forget to read the rest of the passage which sheds light on the allegation. Here are the remaining verses:

Q 53 V 21: What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?

Q 53 V 22: Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!

Quran 53 v 23: These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever[/b]). [b]They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord! [color=#990000][/color]

Very straight forward!

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Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by KunleOshob(m): 12:49pm On Jul 21, 2008
IbrahimB:

The Arabs prior to the arrival of Muhammad (pbuh) were practising idolatory and violent sectarianism. They carved and worshipped idols whom they believed to be intermediary to the almighty God. In addition, they had some funny cultures: for example the burying of Female children alive was usual, because women were regarded then as shameful to the family.

Tribalism also raged the Arabian Peninsula; Revenge Killings were customary. If a Hashimite dared kill a Quraishi the Quraishi could wipe off about 20 Hashimites in reprisal attacks.

Prostitution was also common as were drunkenness. The coming of Muhammad put an end to all the aforementioned and under his leadership forged a united people who were to be the torching light of the whole world for centuries. His triumphant entry into Mecca saw the destruction of more than 360 idols from God's House; Wine was never again drunk.

The Arabs before the advent of Islam were such; one wonders had Muhammad not been born, what good such people would come at and how the course of History, of which he was a significant influence, would have been,

IbrahimB

How come the people of arabia were idol worshippers, since they are the decndants of Abraham and Abraham knew and worshipped Allah. Did he not introduce the worship of Allah to his decendants or they went astray along the line?
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by babs787(m): 8:11pm On Jul 21, 2008
@Kunleoshob

How come the people of arabia were idol worshippers, since they are the decndants of Abraham and Abraham knew and worshipped Allah. Did he not introduce the worship of Allah to his decendants or they went astray along the line?

Please going down the memory lane, has ever been any prophet/messenger in which his community (people) accept his message?

Has there been a situation where the people of each prophet/messenger in which they were being sent to accept his message? Read the story of Abraham and you would see that he found them worshipping idol, preached to them and some paety continue fter his demise whuch happened to all prophets hence Allah telling them their job is to deliver the message (plain warner)

ABRAHAM (PBUH)

Indeed We bestowed aforetime on Ibrahim his (portion of) guidance, and We were Well Acquainted with him( as to his Belief in the Oneness of Allah etc). ( 21v 51)

Thus did We show Ibrahim the kingdom of the heavens and the earth that he be one of those who have Faith and certainty. When the night covered him over with darkness he saw a star. He said: "This is my lord." But when it set, he said: "I like not that those who set." When he saw the moon rising up he said: "This is my lord." but when it set he said: "Unless my Lord guides me, I shall surely be among the erring people." When he saw the sun rising up he said: "This is my lord, This is greater." But when it set, he said: "O my people! I am indeed free from all that you join as partners in worship with Allah. Verily, I have turned my face towards Him Who has created the heavens and the earth Hanifan (Islamic Monotheism, i.e. worshipping none but Allah Alone) and I am not of the Al Mushrikeen (those who worship others besides Allah)."

His people disputed with him. He said: "Do you dispute with me concerning Allah while HE has guided me and I fear not those whom you associate with Allah in worship. (Nothing can happen to me) except when my Lord (Allah) wills something. My Lord comprehends in His Knowledge all things. Will you not then remember?

"And how should I fear those whom you associate in worship with Allah (though they can neither benefit nor harm), while you fear not that you have joined in worship with Allah things for which HE has not sent down to you any authority. So which of the two parties has more right to be in security? If you but know."

The above showed that he told his people about the oneness of God

It is those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah and worship none but Him Alone) and confuse not their belief with Zulm (wrong, i.e. by worshipping others besides Allah), for them only there is security and they are the guided. And that was Our proof which We gave Ibrahim against his people. We raise whom We will in degrees. Certainly your Lord is All Wise, All Knowing. (6:75-83 Quran).

Ibrahim made clear to them, first that the celestial bodies are unworthy of worship and second that they are among the signs of Allah. Almighty Allah commanded: And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them if you really worship Him. ( 41:37)

Ibrahim's reasoning helped to reveal the truth, and then the conflict between him and his people began for the worshippers of the stars and planets did not stand mute. they began arguing and threatening Ibrahim.

Ibrahim replied: "Do you dispute with me concerning Allah while HE has guided me, and I fear not those whom you associate with Allah in worship. (Nothing can happen to me except when my Lord (Allah) wills something. My Lord comprehends in His Knowledge all things. Will you not then remember? How should I fear those whom you associate in worship with Allah (though they can neither benefit or harm), while you fear not that you have joined in worship with Allah things for which He has not sent down to you any authority. SO which of the two parties has more rights to be in security? , if you but know! It is those who believe (in the oneness of Allah and worship none but HiAlone) and confuse not their belief with Zulm (wrong by worshipping others besides Allah), for them only there is security and they are the guided." (6:80-82)

And that was Our Proof which We gave Ibrahim against his people. We raised whom We will in degrees. Certainly your Lord is All Wise, All Knowing. (6:83)

HE said to his father and his people: "What are these images, to which you are devoted?" they said: "We found our fathers worshipping them." He said: "Indeed you and your fathers have been in manifest error." They said: "Have you brought us the truth, or are you one of those who play about[/b]?" He said: "Nay, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Who created them and of that I am of the witnesses." (21:52-56)

[b]he hastily added: "O my father! Verily! There has come to me of knowledge that which came not unto you. So follow me. I will guide you to a Straight Path. O my father! Worship not Satan
. Verily! Stan has been a rebel against the Most Beneficent (Allah). O my father! Verily! I fear lest a torment from the Most Beneficent (Allah) overtake you as that you become a companion of Satan (in the Hellfire)."

He (the father) said: "Do you reject my gods, O Ibrahim? If you stop not this, I will indeed stone you. So get away from me safely before I punish you." Ibrahim said: "Peace be on you! I will ask Forgiveness of my Lord for you. Verily! He is unto me, Ever Most Gracious. And I shall turn away from you and from those whom you invoke besides Allah." (19:43-48)

Almighty Allah recounted: Recite to them the story of Ibrahim. When he said to his father and his people. "What do you worship[/b]?" [b]They said: "We worship idols, and to them we are ever devoted." He said: "Do they hear you when you call on them? OR do they benefit you or do they harm you?" They said: "Nay but we found our father doing so."[/b]

He said: [b]"Do you observe that which you been worshipping, You and your ancient fathers? Verily! They are enemies to me, save the Lord of the Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists
); Who has created me and it is HE Who guides me and it is HE Who feeds me and gives me to drink. And when I am ill, it is He who cures me; and Who will cause me to die and then will bring me to life again and Who I hope will forgive me my faults on the Day of Resurrection." (26:69-82 Quran).

In another surah The Almighty revealed: And remember Ibrahim when he said to his people: "Worship Allah Alone and fear Him that is better for you if you did but know. You worship besides Allah only idols and you only invent falsehood. Verily, those whom you worship beside Allah have no power to give you provision, so seek your provision from Allah Alone, you will be brought back. And if you deny then nations before you have denied their Messengers. the duty of the Messenger is only to convey the Message plainly.


Hope you understood?

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Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by Jagoon: 11:12am On Jul 22, 2008
So if Ibrahim is also known as Abraham, it means the God of the Jews, Muslims and Christians is one and the same person. Why all this rancour amongst us since we worship the same God?? My submission is that most of our religions have been adulterated by men, even the recorcds we have in the Torah, Quoran and the bible might also have human angles to it and that is what accounts for all this differences in our various religions.
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by littleb(m): 3:49pm On Jul 22, 2008
@Jagoon,
So if Ibrahim is also known as Abraham, it means the God of the Jews, Muslims and Christians is one and the same person. Why all this rancour amongst us since we worship the same God?? My submission is that most of our religions have been adulterated by men, even the recorcds we have in the Torah, Quoran and the bible might also have human angles to it and that is what accounts for all this differences in our various religions.

Mr Jagoon, yes, it is one God. But men adulterated the divinity . As we are of diff community, from generatnx to genextn God knows and He wills it as descr.

"If Allah so willed, He would have made all of you a single community, but He lets whom He wills go astray and takes whom He wills to the right path; and surely you will be questioned about what you used to do". Qr 16:93.

The claim to consensus is for all to belief in this one God and refrain from all aspects of associating partners to Him.
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by tearface(f): 9:46pm On Jul 22, 2008
KunleOshob:

I am just wondering since Islam is a relatively recent religion ( i think it started around the 5th / 6th century A.D) who or what did the people who Islam originated from worshipped before then.
The prophet Muhammad S.A.W is a direct descendant of Abraham A.S. He came from a family that worship the God of Abraham i.e Allah. They pray according to the teachings of Abraham. Please go through this book. I'm sure it will help your understanding of the development of Islam.

Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by tearface(f): 10:27pm On Jul 22, 2008
The book is too large. Can somebody pls tell me how to post it?I cant even copy it.
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by samba123(m): 11:07am On Jul 23, 2008
tearface:

The book is too large. Can somebody please tell me how to post it?I can't even copy it.

break them into two or four part

longer paragraph take me time to read and spend most of that time reading.
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by tearface(f): 8:06pm On Jul 24, 2008
How do I break it up?
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by davidylan(m): 8:26pm On Jul 25, 2008
littleb:

@Jagoon,
Mr Jagoon, yes, it is one God.

the God of the bible is not the same as yours. Its really not by force. Keep your God and i'll keep mine.

The prophet Muhammad S.A.W is a direct descendant of Abraham A.S.

Just one more of the fairy tales muslims swallow . . . where is the proof? Where is the genealogy of Mohammad that we may trace it back to Abraham?

He came from a family that worship the God of Abraham i.e Allah.

Abraham's God appeared to Him in the flesh with 2 angels, Abraham's God talked and walked with him as a friend (not a slave), Abraham's God worked miracles on a 90yr old Sarah, Abraham's God accepted burnt offerings and sacrifice, Abraham's God was refered to as Melchizedec the King of Salem.

My dear, which of those attributes describe your Allah?

They pray according to the teachings of Abraham.

What teachings ma'am? Abraham offered burnt offerings to his God . . . is that a teaching in Islam? Why is that a Holy rite unto the Jews and yet conspicously absent among the arabs?
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by olabowale(m): 10:07pm On Jul 25, 2008
@Davidylan:

the God of the bible is not the same as yours. Its really not by force. Keep your God and i'll keep mine.

Yes david. You will miss Ojude Oba, in Ijebu Ode. Thats how you know who is really an Ijebu boy. lol.



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Just one more of the fairy tales muslims swallow . . . where is the proof? Where is the genealogy of Mohammad that we may trace it back to Abraham?
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Please start from Ismail. Abi? Thats enough, unless you wanna be a deceitful man. Afterall, Ismail is not an Israelite or jew, right? lol. Sometimes when you ask these type of questions, it give opening to give a wiseguy answer.


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Abraham's God appeared to Him in the flesh with 2 angels, Abraham's God talked and walked with him as a friend (not a slave), Abraham's God worked miracles on a 90yr old Sarah, Abraham's God accepted burnt offerings and sacrifice, Abraham's God was refered to as Melchizedec the King of Salem.
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The question should then be asked, how many times did the Biblical gods appear "in the flesh," if we add the longer appearing of god the son, Jesus? Which one of them appeared to Abraham, above; the son, the father or the holy ghost or all of the above in one single body? Now we see that Melchizedek the king of Salem is also a Christian and Jewish God! David, which one is Melchizedek, son, father or holy ghost or all or combination of some parts?

Did Melchizedek the King/god disappear or what? Or the jury is still out about his whereabout? What happened to his Kingdom, in Salem there? Did Melchizedek and jesus ever on earth at the same time, or its a rotational thing? David you give me too much ammonition. Interesting that when Abraham was commanded to test his faith in worship and obedience, it was to slaughter his son. The burnt offering was not important at the very essence of obedience. lol.




My dear, which of those attributes describe your Allah?

While your god is a king of a tiny little place known as salem, and walking around like a human being in dirt roads of the middle east, conversing with human, my Allah the Almighty, Lords all over all creations, and commands and forgives by His Supremacy and Mercy. Now which One is truly God?


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They pray according to the teachings of Abraham.

What teachings ma'am? Abraham offered burnt offerings to his God . . . is that a teaching in Islam? Why is that a Holy rite unto the Jews and yet conspicously absent among the arabs?

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Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by davidylan(m): 10:43pm On Jul 25, 2008
olabowale:

Please start from Ismail. Abi? Thats enough, unless you want to be a deceitful man. Afterall, Ismail is not an Israelite or jew, right? lol. Sometimes when you ask these type of questions, it give opening to give a wiseguy answer.

Between Ismail and Mohammad pls fill in the gaps . . . that's all i ask.

olabowale:

The question should then be asked, how many times did the Biblical gods appear "in the flesh," if we add the longer appearing of god the son, Jesus? Which one of them appeared to Abraham, above; the son, the father or the holy ghost or all of the above in one single body? Now we see that Melchizedek the king of Salem is also a Christian and Jewish God! David, which one is Melchizedek, son, father or holy ghost or all or combination of some parts?

you dont understand, better to just keep quiet.

olabowale:

Did Melchizedek the King/god disappear or what? Or the jury is still out about his whereabout? What happened to his Kingdom, in Salem there? Did Melchizedek and jesus ever on earth at the same time, or its a rotational thing? David you give me too much ammonition. Interesting that when Abraham was commanded to test his faith in worship and obedience, it was to slaughter his son.

Again you dont understand. keep bleating.

olabowale:

The burnt offering was not important at the very essence of obedience. lol.

the burnt offering was very very significant, it was a prelude to the most important sacrifice of all, that of Christ Himself on the cross. It was on the basis of a "mere sacrifice" that Cain was rejected.

olabowale:

While your god is a king of a tiny little place known as salem, and walking around like a human being in dirt roads of the middle east, conversing with human, my Allah the Almighty, Lords all over all creations, and commands and forgives by His Supremacy and Mercy. Now which One is truly God?

I'll choose the One who walks on dirt roads, i'll choose the God who comes down thirsty to ask water from the woman on the well of Samaria, i'll choose the God who is king of the tiny village called Salem, i'll choose that God who walks on water, calls me His son, saved me by His blood and still pleads my cause.

Keep you "lord of the worlds".
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by olabowale(m): 3:24am On Jul 26, 2008
@Davidylan;

Between Ismail and Mohammad please fill in the gaps . . . that's all i ask.

I am from Pakulopa family in Italapo street, ijebu Ode. I knew my father and i heard about his father. Ther rest of the story of my forebearers, I do not know. It however does not even take my boys out of being authentic men of that family. The root of Muhammad to Ibrahim, springs from Ismail. Whats the essence of the mondane details, when we all know that he came from the Hashimi clan of the Quraishi tribe of Makka. Didn't Ismail and his mother Hajar lived in Makka, Dave? You make me happy by your hardness. It shows that when you become a muslim, you will be a strong Muslim, InshaAllah.




Keep you "lord of the worlds".

While you have many gods, melchizedek in the phantom salem, and Jesus, the baby god, I have God the Almighty, who create everything, including all the worlds! Good night david, john boy. lol. I think thats little house on the preirre,

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Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by davidylan(m): 7:10pm On Jul 28, 2008
olabowale:

@Davidylan;
I am from Pakulopa family in Italapo street, ijebu Ode. I knew my father and i heard about his father. Ther rest of the story of my forebearers, I do not know.

this is irrelevant. We are talking about a man who claims to have brought a religion from God not just some random Ijebu man.

olabowale:

It however does not even take my boys out of being authentic men of that family. The root of Muhammad to Ibrahim, springs from Ismail. Whats the essence of the mondane details, when we all know that he came from the Hashimi clan of the Quraishi tribe of Makka.

Its funny that such an important detail suddenly becomes "mundane" to explain away the dearth of information regarding so "mighty" a "prophet" and yet the same you spent months haranguing others about the genealogy of Christ in Matthew and Luke.
Maybe next time when you want to cast rocks remember ur house of glass.

olabowale:

Didn't Ismail and his mother Hajar lived in Makka, Dave?

where is the PROOF?

olabowale:

You make me happy by your hardness. It shows that when you become a muslim, you will be a strong Muslim, InshaAllah.

I cannot cross from light unto darkness. sorry.

olabowale:

While you have many gods, melchizedek in the phantom salem, and Jesus, the baby god, I have God the Almighty, who create everything, including all the worlds! Good night david, john boy. lol. I think thats little house on the preirre,

Keep decieving urself. He created you and made you no more than a slave? Pele alhaji.
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by olabowale(m): 12:07am On Jul 29, 2008
@Davidylan:

this is irrelevant. We are talking about a man who claims to have brought a religion from God not just some random Ijebu man.

~Lady~ venerates Mary. You Davidylan don't. Will your not venerating her make you a bad christian? Does it have any impact on your being raptured or going to Christian heaven? If your answer to each is no, then it is not necessary to know every little details of Muhammad's forefathers, except the important ones. But I have to tell you that he said that none of his forefathers participated in illegal sex, all the way from Adam to his own father Abdallah. Give me relevant question, so that i can respond. Jawo kuro ni nu irrelevant questions!






Its funny that such an important detail suddenly becomes "mundane" to explain away the dearth of information regarding so "mighty" a "prophet" and yet the same you spent months haranguing others about the genealogy of Christ in Matthew and Luke.
Maybe next time when you want to cast rocks remember your house of glass.

I never started and no time did i demand you gave me the geneology of jesus. go back and check it. I responded when so of you were so boastful about. I had to remind you guys some of those persons in his geneology wer liars and adulterers, etc, if you go by you Bible. I felt there was nothing to be proud about.

I will remeber not to throw stone, okay rocks, or rolling boulders at my glass house. however if i build a glace house, the thickness of the glass will be many inches, to that it can withstand whatever is thrown at it.





where is the PROOF?

All of a sudden you got the acute case of anmesia, dave about Ismail and his mother living in Makka. Then tell me where did they live after they were "Biblically sent/casted out" of the house where sarah did not want to see them? Aburo, talk true.

There is Zamzam, Safa and marwa mountains. What will Ismail and his mother have to do with any of these o? Am thinking! lol. Where is Osisi?




I cannot cross from light unto darkness. sorry.

I need to remind you of the biblical song about ligh and oil: Ko ma sepo o, ara, ko ma sepo. Ejowo e lo ra loja boko yawo ba de, ki le o ti so?! What it shows is that some of you are in the dark even when the "christian bridegroom," arrives. I am inviting you to a situation that God will give you light upon light. Read Surah Nur (Chapter on light). Read Surah Fath (Chapter on Victory). In chapter on victory, you will see the light on the faces of those who prostrate their faces to Allah. I see it everyday. I am inviting you to success. Grab my hand.




Keep decieving yourself. He created you and made you no more than a slave? Pele alhaji.

Ose to tie kimi ni pele. But he created you and he made a son, instead? Yet you install a patron, jesus between you and Him, while me who is not more than a slave do not have anyone between He and i as i am free to talk to Him, directly? Who is truly free between you and I? Who truly have a sound relationship with Him? While you are trying to call jesus to take your demand to Him, I, on the other hand have my go to Him directly, without a viel! Now tell whose condition is better? Since Jesus talked to Him directly, I also do the same. By the Lord of the Kaaba, I am a fortunate and victorious.
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by davidylan(m): 12:14am On Jul 29, 2008
olabowale:

@Davidylan:
~Lady~ venerates Mary. You Davidylan don't. Will your not venerating her make you a bad christian? Does it have any impact on your being raptured or going to Christian heaven? If your answer to each is no, then it is not necessary to know every little details of Muhammad's forefathers, except the important ones. But I have to tell you that he said that none of his forefathers participated in illegal sex, all the way from Adam to his own father Abdallah. Give me relevant question, so that i can respond. Jawo kuro ni nu irrelevant questions!

you're a decietful coward. Numerous islamic websites abound making noise about the "contradictions" in the genealogy of Christ. Ask people like this deluded alhaji to produce the genealogy of mohammad and they start dancing musical chairs with the truth.

olabowale:

I never started and no time did i demand you gave me the geneology of jesus. go back and check it. I responded when so of you were so boastful about. I had to remind you guys some of those persons in his geneology wer liars and adulterers, etc, if you go by you Bible. I felt there was nothing to be proud about.

Before you start "reminding" us of anything make sure you have ur own genealogy of mohammad in hand.

olabowale:

All of a sudden you got the acute case of anmesia, dave about Ismail and his mother living in Makka. Then tell me where did they live after they were "Biblically sent/casted out" of the house where sarah did not want to see them? Aburo, talk true.

show me PROOF u're here talking nonsense. Is it so hard to just point to some history in the bible or quran?

olabowale:

Ose to tie kimi ni pele. But he created you and he made a son, instead? Yet you install a patron, jesus between you and Him, while me who is not more than a slave do not have anyone between He and i as i am free to talk to Him, directly? Who is truly free between you and I? Who truly have a sound relationship with Him? While you are trying to call jesus to take your demand to Him, I, on the other hand have my go to Him directly, without a viel! Now tell whose condition is better? Since Jesus talked to Him directly, I also do the same. By the Lord of the Kaaba, I am a fortunate and victorious.

What a confused man you are. In your village do slaves have a direct relationship (face to face) with their masters?
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by littleb(m): 10:38am On Jul 29, 2008
@davidylan,

I read your conversation with olabowale, I laugh at all these jokes and absurds with diff analogies. Without doubt in mind, God quality is beyond associating a son or family to Him. If father should be use, it is should be in the context that it owns all of us in terms of provisions and protection. Due to this misinterpretation, misconception and confusion, Islam devoid of using such word to qualify God. We are all servants, in this sense: thus gives whoever He wants and deprive whoever. The genealogy of mohammad is very glaring all over the internet, and he has not come to against Jesus(Isa) teaching. Jesus, Muhammad and all other prophet came to preach the same thing; that we worship only one GOD which is supreme, not the angels or them(prophets). Thus, our own call. If we can bring proof from the books and see clearly that this is true, why cant we abide by it. People are becoming muslims all over the world, not the reason that God appear to them in dream or they are affected by miracle or because of muslims attitude, however prominently see the the truth in the words of God after serious comparision. In the earlier stage of Islam, letters were sent to nations to embrace Islam, which they do after confirming in line with previuos revelation to them. We say our God is one, no son(or children).

The issue of Jesus is God/son of God has been a transformation or misconception of truth which call for debating and it should start from the books(Bible and Quran).

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Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by davidylan(m): 2:35pm On Jul 29, 2008
littleb:

@davidylan,

I read your conversation with olabowale, I laugh at all these jokes and absurds with diff analogies. Without doubt in mind, God quality is beyond associating a son or family to Him. If father should be use, it is should be in the context that it owns all of us in terms of provisions and protection. Due to this misinterpretation, misconception and confusion, Islam devoid of using such word to qualify God.

Yet again we are forced to ask . . . is islam predicated solely on denying biblical doctrine? You seem to have a very unhealthy emphasis on showing the bible in the wrong . . . why is it imperative that the christian God must be the same as the islamic God? I dont see you haranguing the Sango worshippers on their own definition of God.

If the bible chooses to refer to God as a FATHER, why is the muslim desperate to say no?

littleb:

We are all servants, in this sense:

the quran says you are servants, why are you trying to make it general? My bible says i'm a son and joint heirs with Christ, have you seen me trying to force it on you?

littleb:

The genealogy of mohammad is very glaring all over the internet

Where then is it? Can you pls post this "glaring" genealogy?

littleb:

he has not come to against Jesus(Isa) teaching.

Jesus Christ called Himself the Son of God, bled and died on the Cross for my sins (perhaps not urs) . . . does mohammad believe this also?

littleb:

Jesus, Muhammad and all other prophet came to preach the same thing; that we worship only one GOD which is supreme, not the angels or them(prophets).

Again i ask - why the desperation to force-fit mohammad in among Christ and the biblical prophets? Cannot Mohammad and his generic "message" about One God stand alone?

littleb:

Thus, our own call. If we can bring proof from the books and see clearly that this is true, why can't we abide by it.

99% of the time your "proof" seems to center around quoting pages and pages of the bible but precious little from the quran. Why is the average muslim so conversant about the bible when the christian cant be bothered about the quran?

littleb:

People are becoming muslims all over the world, not the reason that God appear to them in dream or they are affected by miracle or because of muslims attitude, however prominently see the the truth in the words of God after serious comparision.

Yawn, we all know its a case of muslims outbreeding everyone else.

littleb:

The issue of Jesus is God/son of God has been a transformation or misconception of truth which call for debating and it should start from the books(Bible and Quran).

What is it with the muslim and the desperate attempt to prove the bible wrong? Is the quran not enough for their faith?
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by littleb(m): 4:48pm On Jul 29, 2008
@davidllan,

why is it imperative that the christian God must be the same as the islamic God? I don't see you haranguing the Sango worshippers on their own definition of God.
If the bible chooses to refer to God as a FATHER, why is the muslim desperate to say no?

Whatever your aguement in this matter, we would continue walloing in a loop as far as religious is concern. And that's is the politics of belief. As a muslim, it is very obvious Allah make us to understand, you or any other worshipers will not practice mine and I will not practice yours. Qr.109. However, muslims are oblige to call thier attention to it. Qr. 3:64. , and if they turn back, we should leave them. Moreover, not only muslims are doing this, christian also call muslims to accpet thier faith knows right that they are muslims. So, nnbody forces one to belief, every faith is making her noise.

As a muslim my obligation towards christian is like a person sees another suffering from a fatal disease, and he firmly believes that he holds the cure for the disease, and he also claims to have sympathy for the human race, then how is it possible for him to intentionally turn away when called upon to provide a remedy? I believe your own maybe similar, if not stop further arguement, and let people with interest continue.

the quran says you are servants, why are you trying to make it general? My bible says i'm a son and joint heirs with Christ, have you seen me trying to force it on you?

This is not a matter of forcing believe, it is a presentation for those who care to know. If someone say no, with clear evidence and refuse to accept, so be it. People with better reasoning will accept.

Where then is it? Can you please post this "glaring" genealogy?

If you belief it, then check this. Otherwise, if your view is different, let us know.


www.answering-christianity.com/family_tree.htm


Jesus Christ called Himself the Son of God, bled and died on the Cross for my sins (perhaps not urs) . . . does mohammad believe this also?

Then prove it, you can quote from Quran if you wish. People want to know the truth, that is why it is debatable. You either in or out.

What is it with the muslim and the desperate attempt to prove the bible wrong? Is the quran not enough for their faith?

Quran is enough for thier faith. Muslim will desperate to prove bible wrong, if actually it is coz people want to know the truth. Likewise, christian are desperate to prove Quran wrong. And if I may ask you, Is bible wrong or right. I know, your answer will be right. Then, prove it, are you afraid! make it a debate and welcome christian, Muslims, Jewish, Hindus, athiest e.t.c contributions. Then, leave truth seekers to judge.

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Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by davidylan(m): 5:12pm On Jul 29, 2008
Littleb, just a simple proof that the above nonsense you claim as a genealogy is false . . . Jacob had 12 sons not 4.
Abraham had more that 3 sons . . . were is Esau?

Noah had 3 sons not 2.
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by davidylan(m): 5:24pm On Jul 29, 2008
it must be remembered that the Prophet used to say, “beyond Adnan none but Allah knoweth, and the genealogists lie.”

Do you, littleb admit that your attempted "genealogy" is a boldfaced lie?
Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by ayinba1(f): 6:00pm On Jul 29, 2008
Christ is God, God is christ, Hmnnnnnn

Okay Mr Xtian is same with Christ, a joint heir WITH christ,, Hmmmnnnnn

There is also Holy ghost or spirit,

Hmmnnn,,, the three is one and still joint heirs with Mr Xtian,

Ok technically, that is four but it;s ok since 1+1+1 =1,

then the trinity 3 + 1 joint heirdom can also = 1

Hmmnnnn, tskk, tskkk, (chews on pen)

Perfect, equation balance.

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Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by ayinba1(f): 6:02pm On Jul 29, 2008
Sorry to answer the question, the people of Arabia practised idolatory or paganism.

Quit drooling over the use of the name Allah before the coming of the prophet of Islam.

in Yorubaland, before we knew about xtianity or Islam, we called God, Olorun, Olodumare, eleda etc.

Today, calling God by those same names does not make you a pagan.

please put forth some better arguments

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Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by Queenisha: 6:18pm On Jul 29, 2008
ayinba1:

Christ is God, God is christ, Hmnnnnnn

Okay Mr Christian is same with Christ, a joint heir WITH christ,, Hmmmnnnnn

There is also Holy ghost or spirit,

Hmmnnn,,, the three is one and still joint heirs with Mr Christian,

Ok technically, that is four but it;s ok since 1+1+1 =1,

then the trinity 3 + 1 joint heirdom can also = 1

Hmmnnnn, tskk, tskkk, (chews on pen)

Perfect, equation balance.

What if I told you Christ made those claims of oneness himself.
In the same gospels Allah says you need to learn from us cool
This chic you have a long way to go.

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