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Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by Nobody: 2:32pm On Dec 06, 2013
shymexx:

Not crying more than the bereaved - just saying making him the face of the African/black struggle is just a little bit condescending on black people. He's a South African hero. And I love and respect him. But imposing him as what all black people should look-up is problematic.

I'm a black man and I don't compromise. And even if I ever compromise at the beginning, I'll definitely come back for my just due and get it all. cool

I have never heard any one making him a face " of black/african struggle" but have heard of him being called the father of South African struggle and world icon. Now please must you people who are scared of standing up to Jonathan Goodluck have the right to tell others how they should conduct their business? I dont think so undecided Its amazing how how easy it is to score from the sidelines. Nigeria should have long shown South Africans how to do it, now that they are doing it for themselves you are there to point fingers? That is not right, especially considering 90% of Nigeria's wealth is in the hands of 1% of the population. Tell me then why didnt you show them how its done?
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by Nobody: 2:43pm On Dec 06, 2013
Another defination of terrorist by "worlds most civilized nation"

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Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by Iykeponti(m): 2:52pm On Dec 06, 2013
Africanz r still slaves...in d eyes of dis western mudaphvckerz (**) we r just like... animals in d eyes of dis mudaphvckerz uptill 2day... Besides african zombie leaders r not helping d matter sad
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by hybeenoni: 2:55pm On Dec 06, 2013
obailala: Once your demands and aspirations does not align with the greedy/selfish interest of the west, you are labelled a rogue leader, a sponsor of terrorists or even a full blown terrorist... The Mandela case actually exposed the double standards of the US, hence the comment by Condoleezza Rice that it was "rather embarrassing" for the US

Dats d western media 4 u.....always paintin white as black.
During d apartheid regime, Mandela was a hero a d black south Africans, bt to d west, he was labelled a terrorist.
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by madeinnigeria: 2:56pm On Dec 06, 2013
ifebosco: my friend sharap
only gullible nigerians who don´t understand the reality about obodo oyibo will leave nigeria for america with racist and high unemployment.
what is it with ppl nowadayz can't u mak ur point without insulting odas....and incase u don't knw if u had really thought about this thread you will notice. Dat d topic was created not for good but only to cause confusion....incase u still don't know. I didn't advocate for ppl to travel abroad I only said what d op would probably do if given the opportunity
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by ifebosco: 3:30pm On Dec 06, 2013
collynzo2: Even Abubakar Shekau and Boko Haram have reason for their activities, they sometimes cite the killings of muslims in jos amongst others.
Such excuses are never good reasons to kill innocent people through terrorism, Osama bin laden had his reason also; American invasion of muslim countries, Israeli occupaton of Palestine etc.
Mandela and his terrorist group killed innocent people and that is inexcusable.
are you in any way supporting apartheid ??
did you ever know that apartheid government went as far as sterilising the black african woman to reduce the black population,even brought aids (hiv) to south africa.that is the White legacy to south africans,and you want him to sit down like my foolish and gullible nigerians to see how his generation yet unborn die.gracias mandela
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by madeinnigeria: 3:31pm On Dec 06, 2013
Whatever america does within their doors is their business..I don't see any reason why aa topic like this should be here. he is trying to. Generate enuf hatred as he can....ppl just hate for no reason...we all knw why the south africans fought the aparthied regime..what about nigeria where d country has been headed buy its citizens right from independence?..whe ought not to be on dis kinda thread cos unnecessary hate is the easiest access to blinded terrorism
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by ifebosco: 3:35pm On Dec 06, 2013
made in nigeria: what is it with ppl nowadayz can't u mak ur point without insulting odas....and incase u don't knw if u had really thought about this thread you will notice. Dat d topic was created not for good but only to cause confusion....incase u still don't know. I didn't advocate for ppl to travel abroad I only said what d op would probably do if given the opportunity
i apologise for the insult,im very passionate about issues with our african history and sometimes im over carried
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by Nobody: 3:35pm On Dec 06, 2013
BluIvy:

I have never heard any one making him a face " of black/african struggle" but have heard of him being called the father of South African struggle and world icon. Now please must you people who are scared of standing up to Jonathan Goodluck have the right to tell others how they should conduct their business? I dont think so undecided Its amazing how how easy it is to score from the sidelines. Nigeria should have long shown South Africans how to do it, now that they are doing it for themselves you are there to point fingers? That is not right, especially considering 90% of Nigeria's wealth is in the hands of 1% of the population. Tell me then why didnt you show them how its done?

It seems you want to bait me into disrespecting the man's legacy by dissecting him. But I won't fall for that because I've got the utmost respect for him. He was an iconic figure.

Anyway, don't tell me you're oblivious to the fact that the media made him the face of the black/African struggle. And I believe the South African national anthem which is also more or less an African anthem, than anything South African adds more credence to that. Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika/Maluphakanyisw' uphondo lwayo (God bless Africa/Let its (Africa's) horn be raised). So what's that about? You invited all Africans to the dinner table with that - and I believe once you did that, we're allowed to get plates and serve ourselves, isn't it? Perhaps, that's why I'm not minding my business. grin

Regardless, I adore Steven Biko and I absolutely love his ideology. So I won't say nothing bad about South Africa. I'm just trying to eat on the dinner table you lot invited me to.

PS: I'm not posting as a Nigerian now. I'm posting as a black man in Great Briton and based on my experience and a unique struggle. Leave Nigeria and its people out of this. wink
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by ifebosco: 3:46pm On Dec 06, 2013
made in nigeria: Whatever america does within their doors is their business..I don't see any reason why aa topic like this should be here..am not a supporter. Is it not the. Same american congress that voted in support. Of mandela's release against ronald regan's wishes....the op didn't do dat instead he is trying to. Generate enuf hatred as he can....ppl just hate for no reason...we all knw why the south africans fought the aparthied regime..what about nigeria where d country has been headed buy its citizens right from independence?..whe ought not to be on dis kinda thread cos unnecessary hate is the easiest access to blinded terrorism
please we don´t hate america or europe,we are now emancipating from our mental slavery.for more than 100years europe and america was build by the (detriment)suffering of we africans,if you like i can send you documentries for you eyes to open,i´m not against the ordinary american or european citizens on the streets,i´m against their government that has help with some of our african rulers to get us were we are
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by Ipheyemmy01(m): 3:59pm On Dec 06, 2013
It is just like here in Nigeria if your enemy try to kill or harm you and they are unable to do so, they tag you WITCH, OGBANJE. The america's and the white nations tried stopping him but could not because no to racia discrimination, freedom of the people was his driving force. Recently i was watching ' The Long Road to Freedom' he was offered freedom in exchange for the freedom of his people but he declined. He is really a TERRORIST (the good one i say )
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by Nobody: 4:00pm On Dec 06, 2013
shymexx: That's America and the West for you. They had to keep him there just to make sure he didn't rescind on the great compromise that actually favoured/favours white people in South Africa. There's too much at stake in that country and they can't afford to lose the over 70% of wealth, which belongs to the white minority.

However, since he kept his promise - they made him the most popular black man ever. The people's hero and used the western controlled media, to sell his story to everyone.

R.I.P Madiba.


You are very well informed!
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by madeinnigeria: 4:04pm On Dec 06, 2013
ifebosco: please we don´t hate america or europe,we are now emancipating from our mental slavery.for more than 100years europe and america was build by the (detriment)suffering of we africans,if you like i can send you documentries for you eyes to open,i´m not against the ordinary american or european citizens on the streets,i´m against their government that has help with some of our african rulers to get us were we are
...there is only one country that really is an example of what I pray africans should learn from...china!.....apart from the communist kinda govt they'r operating which I don't like they ar a very good example of the phrase forward ever backward never'....their leaders and citizens dedicated their time in rebuilding their country from scratch now see where they are...,now even america owes china loads of money....almost everything is made in china now! And I think mandela was a greatman cos he saw that the best way for his ppl to move forward was to move on after achieving wat they fought for....dwelling on the past will never solve anything.....no decision can be taken by world powers without involvin china...but the onlything african leaders want from the chinese is money and not knowledge
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by ifebosco: 4:18pm On Dec 06, 2013
made in nigeria: ...there is only one country that really is an example of what I pray africans should learn from...china!.....apart from the communist kinda govt they'r operating which I don't like they ar a very good example of the phrase forward ever backward never'....their leaders and citizens dedicated their time in rebuilding their country from scratch now see where they are...,now even america owes china loads of money....almost everything is made in china now! And I think mandela was a greatman cos he saw that the best way for his ppl to move forward was to move on after achieving wat they fought for....[s]dwelling on the past will never solve anything[/s].....no decision can be taken by world powers without involvin china...but the onlything african leaders want from the chinese is money and not knowledge
we need to understand the past to build a better future,
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by madeinnigeria: 4:23pm On Dec 06, 2013
The african continent has really not done anything to help itself..we blame Everythin on the west....I knw they were to blame befor but what about now? We elect ppl with no vision as presidents,we hate on eachoda all d time.even within an average african family there is enuf hatred within siblings..we all hate the west but if the west had left us alone only God knws where we will all be without so many things..we all hav cellphones,ipads,designer clothes etc all these came from the west...now everything is swinging towards china cos they prepared and they were determined..am not a supporter of the west but I don't like hearing ppl lay d same blame our fore fathers layed then...I so much love and hate obasanjo at d same time cos he took so many good decisions for this country and he took so so so many bad decisions.....he would hav bin greater than mandela if not for greed
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by mvem(m): 4:55pm On Dec 06, 2013
mvem: For God sake this blacks suffered...imagine d hatred...in ur own land dere will be seperate toilet for blacks, seperate seat for black,seperate schools, u cant carry a white man to court and win, u are never seen equal...Then when dey wanted to challenge or protest against this, they get brutalize, some killed...and some people here are saying why do they resort to violence....When u push someone to the wall, and he sees no way to go,he den defend himself...are we not humans speaking...how can u treat a human being like dat and expect him to be quiet....I am not justifying violence or terrorism but let the truth be told....The whites control the media, dey control everything...they want you beileve what they beileve.....Imagine some people are still under mental slavery, thats what bob marley alwayz fought against...you have won in d physical slavery, but still under d powers of the west, beileving everything they tell us(mental slavery)....Do u know the al-quaeda d west demonize was fully supported by dem in the 80s againsy the soviet union, The west helped formed al-quaeda...do u know dat.....Do u know iran d west demonize was american closest ally in the 70s.....Africans open ur eyes and be free from Mental slavery...
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by Nobody: 5:19pm On Dec 06, 2013
BluIvy:

I have never heard any one making him a face " of black/african struggle" but have heard of him being called the father of South African struggle and world icon. Now please must you people who are scared of standing up to Jonathan Goodluck have the right to tell others how they should conduct their business? I dont think so undecided Its amazing how how easy it is to score from the sidelines. Nigeria should have long shown South Africans how to do it, now that they are doing it for themselves you are there to point fingers? That is not right, especially considering 90% of Nigeria's wealth is in the hands of 1% of the population. Tell me then why didnt you show them how its done?

I'll leave you with this excerpt from Gary Younge's article on the Guardian UK titled: "Mandela was never a revolutionary, always a radical."

He was never a revolutionary. While other freedom fighters on the continent were embracing socialism and pan-Africanism, Mandela at his trial praised the country's former colonial power. "I have great respect for British institutions and for [Britain's] system of justice. I regard the British parliament as the most democratic in the world."

But he was always a radical..

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/06/mandela-radical

^^^^You can check the link to read the whole article. The point of contention would always be that other people have done the hard work and the only country left with segregation in the world at that time was South Africa. So he could have asked for a better deal with the compromise - and it would have been granted.

I'm out!
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by ifebosco: 5:24pm On Dec 06, 2013
made in nigeria[s:
]The african continent has really not done anything to help itself[/s]..[s]we blame Everythin on the west....I knw they were to blame befor but what about now?[/s] [s]We elect ppl with no vision as presidents,we hate on eachoda all d time.even within an average african family there is enuf hatred within siblings..[/s]we all hate the west but if the west had left us alone only God knws where we will all be without so many things..we all hav cellphones,ipads,designer clothes etc all these came from the west...now everything is swinging towards china cos they prepared and they were determined..am not a supporter of the west but I don't like hearing ppl lay d same blame our fore fathers layed then...I so much love and hate obasanjo at d same time cos he took so many good decisions for this country and he took so so so many bad decisions.....he would hav bin greater than mandela if not for greed
you are mixing up issues here,

1)The african continent has really not done anything to help itself===very correct
2)we blame Everythin on the west....I knw they were to blame befor but what about now?==they are still part of our problems.¨"the natural resouces they are stealing from africa is still going on¨"

3)We elect ppl with no vision as presidents,we hate on eachoda all d time.even within an average african family there is enuf hatred within siblings.==very correct,,,we need education
4)am not a supporter of the west but I don't like hearing ppl lay d same blame our fore fathers layed then===our father´s never hard the opportunity to be educated to have a free mind,check our educational system,our history is the Whitemans story not from we the blacks
5)I so much love and hate obasanjo at d same time cos he took so many good decisions for this country and he took so so so many bad decisions.....he would hav bin greater than mandela if not for greed[/quote]you are mixing up issues here==atypical african ruler,greed for power

6)
we all hate the west but if the west had left us alone only God knws where we will all be without so many things==you already said that you like china,if we don´t have the west on us today we are going to be like china o south korea,the west never hard the opportunity to manipulate
them
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by madeinnigeria: 6:44pm On Dec 06, 2013
ifebosco: you are mixing up issues here,

1)The african continent has really not done anything to help itself===very correct
2)we blame Everythin on the west....I knw they were to blame befor but what about now?==they are still part of our problems.¨"the natural resouces they are stealing from africa is still going on¨"

3)We elect ppl with no vision as presidents,we hate on eachoda all d time.even within an average african family there is enuf hatred within siblings.==very correct,,,we need education
4)am not a supporter of the west but I don't like hearing ppl lay d same blame our fore fathers layed then===our father´s never hard the opportunity to be educated to have a free mind,check our educational system,our history is the Whitemans story not from we the blacks
5)I so much love and hate obasanjo at d same time cos he took so many good decisions for this country and he took so so so many bad decisions.....he would hav bin greater than mandela if not for greedyou are mixing up issues here==atypical african ruler,greed for power

6)
we all hate the west but if the west had left us alone only God knws where we will all be without so many things==you already said that you like china,if we don´t have the west on us today we are going to be like china o south korea,the west never hard the opportunity to manipulate
them
we ar not gettin robbed of our resources we'r dashin dem out the usual way..our leaders both the president down to the community leaders are gettin d cash for it..if our leaders were not corrupt do you think all these companies extorting us will be able to do so?.as far as am concerned in this present day we are our own problem...I pray we africans stop the blame game some day cos the ball has alwayz bin in our court..we need to play it well
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by hiuser(m): 8:45pm On Dec 06, 2013
BABSIN: Do You Know That Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch List Until 2008?



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/nelson-mandela-terrorist_n_4394392.html
Its the same gospel seperation/apartheid white/black ; isreal
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by here: 8:46pm On Dec 06, 2013
Chinaimporter:


This is a perfect example of an inchonherent person. He is educated and enlightened, knows history better than most nigerians but his mental disability prevents him from packaging his writings well.....guy abeg go and see a psyciatrist or slow down on igbo and alcohol
How old are you,dear?
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by here: 8:52pm On Dec 06, 2013
yorke1:


Thank God some people have finally clear my doubt, because i thought i was high when reading this post. What are you trying to say Mr man?
I am trying to explain what possibly happened,drawing from several occurance.
I really was writing to people I felt knew what happened so didnt have to go into details.
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by here: 8:55pm On Dec 06, 2013
alingo4life:

What is this one saying?
Trying to say what I know,pls can you tell me events of 1960-1985 alone in SA.
waiting
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by lagcity(m): 9:37pm On Dec 06, 2013
Not surprised. UK, US, and Israel all supported the apartheid regime. Israel actually helped the regime with its nuclear weapons program. There is nothing these countries can do to surprise me; they are hypocrites.

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Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by hiuser(m): 10:08pm On Dec 06, 2013
lagcity: Not surprised. UK, US, and Israel all supported the apartheid regime. Israel actually helped the regime with its nuclear weapons program. There is nothing these countries can do to surprise me; they are hypocrites.
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by cap28: 12:12am On Dec 07, 2013
Victorious over Apartheid, Defeated by Neoliberalism

Nelson Mandela: A dissenting opinion

by Jonathan Cook / December 6th, 2013


Offering a dissenting opinion at this moment of a general outpouring of grief at Nelson Mandela’s death is not likely to court popularity. It is also likely to be misunderstood.

So let me start by recognising Mandela’s huge achievement in helping to bring down South African apartheid, and make clear my enormous respect for the great personal sacrifices he made, including spending so many years caged up for his part in the struggle to liberate his people. These are things impossible to forget or ignore when assessing someone’s life.

Nonetheless, it is important to pause during the widespread acclamation of his legacy, mostly by people who have never demonstrated a fraction of his integrity, to consider a lesson that most observers want to overlook.

Perhaps the best way to make my point is to highlight a mock memo written in 2001 by Arjan el-Fassed, from Nelson Mandela to the NYT’s columnist Thomas Friedman. It is a wonderful, humane denunciation of Friedman’s hypocrisy and a demand for justice for the Palestinians that Mandela should have written.

Soon afterwards, the memo spread online, stripped of el-Fassed’s closing byline. Many people, including a few senior journalists, assumed it was written by Mandela and published it as such. It seemed they wanted to believe that Mandela had written something as morally clear-sighted as this about another apartheid system, an Israeli one that is at least the equal of that imposed for decades on black South Africans.

However, the reality is that it was not written by Mandela, and his staff even went so far as to threaten legal action against the author.

Mandela spent most his adult life treated as a “terrorist”. There was a price to be paid for his long walk to freedom, and the end of South Africa’s system of racial apartheid. Mandela was rehabilitated into an “elder statesman” in return for South Africa being rapidly transformed into an outpost of neoliberalism, prioritising the kind of economic apartheid most of us in the west are getting a strong dose of now.

In my view, Mandela suffered a double tragedy in his post-prison years.

First, he was reinvented as a bloodless icon, one that other leaders could appropriate to legitimise their own claims, as the figureheads of the “democratic west”, to integrity and moral superiority. After finally being allowed to join the western “club”, he could be regularly paraded as proof of the club’s democratic credentials and its ethical sensibility.

Second, and even more tragically, this very status as icon became a trap in which he was required to act the “responsible” elder statesman, careful in what he said and which causes he was seen to espouse. He was forced to become a kind of Princess Diana, someone we could be allowed to love because he rarely said anything too threatening to the interests of the corporate elite who run the planet.

It is an indication of what Mandela was up against that the man who fought so hard and long against a brutal apartheid regime was so completely defeated when he took power in South Africa. That was because he was no longer struggling against a rogue regime but against the existing order, a global corporate system of power that he had no hope of challenging alone.

It is for that reason, rather simply to be contrarian, that I raise these failings. Or rather, they were not Mandela’s failings, but ours. Because, as I suspect Mandela realised only too well, one cannot lead a revolution when there are no followers.

For too long we have slumbered through the theft and pillage of our planet and the erosion of our democratic rights, preferring to wake only for the release of the next iPad or smart phone.

The very outpouring of grief from our leaders for Mandela’s loss helps to feed our slumber. Our willingness to suspend our anger this week, to listen respectfully to those watery-eyed leaders who forced Mandela to reform from a fighter into a notable, keeps us in our slumber. Next week there will be another reason not to struggle for our rights and our grandchildren’s rights to a decent life and a sustainable planet. There will always be a reason to worship at the feet of those who have no real power but are there to distract us from what truly matters.

No one, not even a Mandela, can change things by him or herself. There are no Messiahs on their way, but there are many false gods designed to keep us pacified, divided and weak.

Jonathan Cook is a writer and journalist based in Nazareth, Israel. He won this year’s Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His latest books are Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East (Pluto Press) and Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in Human Despair (Zed Books). Read other articles by Jonathan, or visit Jonathan's website.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/12/victorious-over-apartheid-defeated-by-neoliberalism/
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by pussyeater(m): 12:50am On Dec 07, 2013
Biggest lie ever saideth
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by cap28: 1:13am On Dec 07, 2013
United States, Israel opposed Mandela, supported Apartheid

By Juan Cole | Dec. 6, 2013 | 26 Responses



The attempt to make Nelson Mandela respectable is an ongoing effort of Western government spokesmen and the Western media.

He wasn’t respectable in the business circles of twentieth-century New York or Atlanta, or inside the Beltway of Washington, D.C. He wasn’t respectable for many of the allies of the United States in the Cold War, including Britain and Israel.

I visited Soweto in 2012 and went to Mandela’s old house. It was a moving experience. I don’t want him to be reduced to a commercialized icon on this day of all days.

We should remember that for much of the West in the Cold War, South Africa’s thriving capitalist economy was what was important. Its resources were important. Its government, solely staffed by Afrikaners and solely for Afrikaners, was seen as a counter-weight to Soviet and Communist influence in Africa. Washington in the 1980s obsessed about Cuba’s relationship to Angola (yes).

That the Afrikaners treated black Africans like dirt and discriminated against them viciously, denying them the franchise or any hint of equality, was considered in Western capitals at most an unfortunate idiosyncrasy that could not be allowed to interfere with the West’s dependence on Pretoria in fighting the international Left.

The African National Congress had attempted nonviolent protest in the 1950s, but the white Afrikaaner government outlawed all those techniques and replied with deadly force. In the early 1960s when Nelson Mandela turned to sabotage, the United States was a nakedly capitalist country engaged in an attempt to ensure that peasants and workers did not come to power. It was a deeply racist society that practiced Apartheid, a.k.a. Jim Crow in its own South.

The US considered the African National Congress to be a form of Communism, and sided with the racist Prime Ministers Hendrik Verwoerd and P.W. Botha against Mandela.

Decades later, in the 1980s, the United States was still supporting the white Apartheid government of South Africa, where a tiny minority of Afrikaaners dominated the economy and refused to allow black Africans to shop in their shops or fraternize with them, though they were happy to employ them in the mines. Ronald Reagan declared Nelson Mandela, then still in jail, a terrorist, and the US did not get around to removing him from the list until 2008! Reagan, while delivering pro forma denunciations of Apartheid or enforced black separation and subjugation, nevertheless opposed sanctions with teeth on Pretoria. Reagan let the racist authoritarian P.W. Botha come to Washington and met with him.

Likewise British PM Margaret Thatcher befriended Botha and castigated Mandela’s ANC as terrorists. As if the Afrikaners weren’t terrorizing the black majority! She may have suggested to Botha that he release Mandela for PR purposes, but there is not any doubt on whose side she stood.

The Israeli government had extremely warm relations with Apartheid South Africa, to the point where Tel Aviv offered the Afrikaners a nuclear weapon (presumably for brandishing at the leftist states of black Africa). That the Israelis accuse Iran of being a nuclear proliferator is actually hilarious if you know the history. Iran doesn’t appear ever to have attempted to construct a nuclear weapon, whereas Israel has hundreds and seems entirely willing to share.

In the US, the vehemently anti-Palestinian Anti-Defamation League in San Francisco spied on American anti-Apartheid activists on behalf of the Apartheid state. If the ADL ever calls you a racist, you can revel in the irony.

Ronald Reagan imagined that there were “moderates” in the Botha government. There weren’t. He wanted “constructive engagement” with them. It failed. The Afrikaners imposed martial law. Reagan tried to veto Congressional sanctions on Pretoria in 1986 but Congress over-rode him.

Nelson Mandela was a socialist who believed in the ideal of economic equality or at least of a decent life for everyone in society. He was also a believer in parliamentary government. So, he was a democratic socialist.

The current Republican Party is implementing Apartheid policies of making it difficult for minorities to exercise their right to vote. And they are changing tax laws to throw ever more of society’s wealth to the top 1%. And they just threw millions of Americans off food stamps, including children and Veterans. The US House of Representatives still stands against everything Mandela stood for.

President Obama first became interested in politics at Occidental College in California and attended anti-Apartheid demonstrations. It was then that fellow activists informed him that Barack would be a better name for such an activist than “Barry.” In many ways Mandela’s cause started Obama on his path to the White House.

In the meantime the UK also has a right wing government that is punishing students and the poor on behalf of the rich. And the Likud Foreign Minister in Israel, Avigdor Lieberman, wants to take away the citizenship of Palestinian-Israelis (20% of the population) just as the Afrikaners took citizenship away from blacks and pushed them into Bantustans. Mandela said, ““We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.”

The world will celebrate Nelson Mandela. But for most of those global leaders, it is only lip service. With the partial exception of President Obama, they don’t share his actual ideals and wouldn’t approve of him when he was at his most active, in the early 1960s, trying to figure out how to sabotage the Afrikaner establishment. (I say partial in Obama’s case because obviously he admires the struggle against Apartheid, but on economic issues he is an Eisenhower Republican and Mandela wouldn’t approve). In the 1990s on his release from prison Mandela did stand out for his belief in peace and reconciliation. But that was only because the Afrikaners had lost and he could afford to be magnanimous in victory. He was not a pacifist. He did not believe in taking lives as part of his struggle, but he was willing to resort to violence. He was not a capitalist. He wanted uplift for the workers. He could not overlook racism the way Reagan, Thatcher and Shamir did.

South Africa itself, for all its economic and social dynamism, has also not fully attained Mandela’s ideals. Its poor are becoming worse off. Labor relations are roiled. And the ANC leadership is in disarray.

Mandela is not a birthday cake to be celebrated. The funeral with its hypocritical heads of state won’t honor him. He is a pioneer to be emulated. We honor him by standing up for justice even in the face of enormous opposition from the rich and powerful, by taking risks for high ideals. We won’t meet his standards. But if all of us tried, we’d make the world better. As he did.

http://www.juancole.com/2013/12/mandela-supported-apartheid.html#comments
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by victorv12(m): 1:21am On Dec 07, 2013
The Americans knows that his ideology was a threat to the entire human race that's why his name was on the US terrorist watch list. He's a freedom fighter. Just like Marcus Garvey, Fidel Castro, Malcolm X, Ghandi and Martin Luther King. Each of these men can be nuked a thousand times and still survives.

RIP Madiba
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by cap28: 2:56am On Dec 07, 2013
The following article was written on 18 July 2013 on Madiba's 95th birthday:

It was the CIA that helped Jail Nelson Mandela

Crocodile tears to mask US imperialism's role as the enemy of African liberation

Today is Nelson Mandela’s 95th birthday, but forget the crocodile tears from the U.S. government about Mandela’s poor health. Imperialist diplomacy with all of its sugar-coated phrases is nothing more than a form of historical perjury.

Nelson Mandela’s arrest in 1962, which led to 18 of his 27 years of imprisonment on Robbins Island, was based on the work of the CIA. The CIA and National Security Agency worked as partners with the racist, apartheid regime’s vicious military and intelligence services.

Mandela was a leader of the African National Congress (ANC) that organized civil resistance and an armed struggle against South Africa’s white racist apartheid regime. The United States and the other western capitalist governments supported the racist, fascist apartheid regime.

Mandela was labeled a terrorist by the United States. So was the entire ANC. Even as late as 2008 the U.S. State Department had to pass special waivers so that Mandela or any ANC leader could visit the United States because he and the ANC were still on the “terrorist watch list.”

The ANC’s struggle for Black majority rule and the liquidation of apartheid received critical support from Cuba, the Soviet Union and other socialist countries. The ANC had an active alliance with South African Communist Party in the struggle for Black majority rule.

Even after the fall of the apartheid government ANC members applying for visas to the USA were flagged for questioning and forced to ask for waivers to enter the country. Former ANC chairman Tokyo Sexwale was denied a visa in 2002

In 2007, Barbara Masekela, South Africa’s ambassador to the United States until the year prior was denied a visa to visit a dying cousin living in the United States.

U.S. Imperialism was the enemy of African Liberation

The CIA and NSA spy services—with the full collaboration of such transnational corporations at IBM, Kodak and many others—worked at all levels and for decades for apartheid and against the African National Congress activists who were routinely murdered, tortured and sentenced to life terms in the hell holes of South Africa.

The ANC was labeled and treated as a terrorist organization and pro-communist by the CIA and successive U.S. administrations, Democratic and Republican alike. Congress, too, was an enthusiastic cheerleader for this vile partnership with the planet’s most disgustingly racist regime.

The House of Representatives only voted to call for Nelson Mandela’s release from prison in 1986 when it was clear that the fascist apartheid regime’s days were numbered, leading the United States and Britain to abruptly shift course and broker a negotiated end to the white supremacist system. A mass worldwide anti-apartheid movement had completely isolated South Africa. Dick Cheney voted against the House resolution in 1986, pointing out that the U.S. government was still retaining the ANC on the official U.S. “terrorist list.”

The U.S. and Britain knew the end had finally come for the usefulness of the apartheid government when its seemingly invincible military was decisively defeated by the Angolan army and thousands of Cuban volunteers in the historic battle of Cuito Canavale.

As Mandela said, “When Africa called, Cuba answered.”

Shameless duplicity

In an act of shameless duplicity, once Mandela was released from prison, each successive U.S. administration has pretended that the United States was always opposed to Mandela’s imprisonment and stood with him against apartheid.

After getting out of prison, Mandela came to the United States to meet President George H.W. Bush on June 25, 1990. He was being touted as a hero and a champion in the fight against racism. The U.S. government, working through propagandists in the corporate-owned media, tried to instill a society-wide case of amnesia about the fact that they were the defenders of apartheid and directly responsible for Mandela’s imprisonment.

But one reporter had the gall to ask an unscripted question.

Bush’s press secretary, Marlin Fitzwater, was asked in the days before the June 25 meeting with Bush whether the president would apologize to Mandela for the U.S. role in his arrest.

Fitzwater was angry and caught off guard. He said, “I just don’t like it when people question our motives on blacks or on Mandela because of an incident that happened 20 years ago in another administration.”

Today, on Mandela’s 95th birthday and when the U.S. government celebrates Mandela, will any of the corporate media expose the bloody role of the CIA, NSA and other U.S. intelligence services in their war against the African liberation movements?

Nelson Mandela is a beacon for the oppressed. He is a hero and he will be remembered as such. Not true for the CIA and NSA which worked as the spy service for the racist, apartheid regime as it hunted down and captured Mandela and captured or killed his comrades.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/it-was-the-cia-that-helped-jail-nelson-mandela/5343409
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by cap28: 3:16am On Dec 07, 2013
U.S. Glorifies Nelson Mandela In Death. But Treated Him as a Terrorist While Alive.

CIA Central In Mandela’s Arrest … Labelled Him a Terrorist Until 2008

Everyone from President Obama to the mainstream news is lionizing Nelson Mandela.

But the New York Times reported in 1990:


The Central Intelligence Agency played an important role in the arrest in 1962 of Nelson Mandela, the African National Congress leader who was jailed for nearly 28 years before his release four months ago, a news report says.

The intelligence service, using an agent inside the African National Congress, provided South African security officials with precise information about Mr. Mandela’s activities that enabled the police to arrest him, said the account by the Cox News Service.

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Newsweek reported in February that the agency was believed to have been involved.

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At the time of Mr. Mandela’s arrest in August 1962, the C.I.A. devoted more resources to penetrating the activities of nationalist groups like the African National Congress than did South Africa’s then-fledgling security service.

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A retired South African intelligence official, Gerard Ludi, was quoted in the report as saying that at the time of Mr. Mandela’s capture, the C.I.A. had put an undercover agent into the inner circle of the African National Congress group in Durban.



Indeed, Nelson Mandela was only removed from the U.S. “terrorist” list in 2008.

Mandela was highly critical of U.S. foreign policy. And anyone – even U.S. citizens – critical of U.S. policy may be labelled a bad guy.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-glorifies-mandela-in-death-but-treated-him-as-a-terrorist-while-alive/5360569
Re: Nelson Mandela Was On US Terrorist Watch-List Until 2008 by dasparrow: 6:34am On Dec 07, 2013
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Why am I not surprised?

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