onegig: the same interest based banking that has led two great depression and almost the destruction of world economy? Same interest based banking that exploits the poor and make slaves and destitutes out of a society?

The same interest based banking that cripples the real economy which is the people and leave wealth in the hands of few ? I guess you were not born in 2008 and is not aware of the current problems in Countries like Greece, Spain, Portugal and even the Us?

One thing you guys don't really understand about non interest banking is that its very unique and pro masses. Let me ask you. Which one would you take?

A banking system that gives you a loan to operate a biz but won't charge interest on it but have a pre agreed profit sharing ratio if you make it or loss sharing between the bank and you if you make losses? A bank that recognises money as a means of exchange only and that it has no value except what you invest it in and derive from it. A bank that is after your success and knows its only when you make profit that they are also profitable.

Or a bank that gives you a loan and even if you make losses would still collect their interest accured over time and their money back?

Logically Which is cruel and which is good for developing a society?

Islamic banking is just one just one of the numerous arms of islamic finance. Islam recognises money as valueless. Which is true. Ask your greatest economists. Money has no value, it is what you invest it in that has value.

onegig: The posters above. Am not here for a comparison of religions. To each his own beliefs. Am here just to enlighten you on things.
I would state my case and Its left on you to either agree, reason or disagree. Thank

Your second, third points are all subjective and based on personal opinions.

onegig: the same interest based banking that has led two great depression and almost the destruction of world economy? Same interest based banking that exploits the poor and make slaves and destitutes out of a society?

The same interest based banking that cripples the real economy which is the people and leave wealth in the hands of few ? I guess you were not born in 2008 and is not aware of the current problems in Countries like Greece, Spain, Portugal and even the Us?

One thing you guys don't really understand about non interest banking is that its very unique and pro masses. Let me ask you. Which one would you take?

A banking system that gives you a loan to operate a biz but won't charge interest on it but have a pre agreed profit sharing ratio if you make it or loss sharing between the bank and you if you make losses? A bank that recognises money as a means of exchange only and that it has no value except what you invest it in and derive from it. A bank that is after your success and knows its only when you make profit that they are also profitable.

Or a bank that gives you a loan and even if you make losses would still collect their interest accured over time and their money back?

Logically Which is cruel and which is good for developing a society?

Islamic banking is just one just one of the numerous arms of islamic finance. Islam recognises money as valueless. Which is true. Ask your greatest economists. Money has no value, it is what you invest it in that has value.

kambo:

funny how u guyz (muslims) want to put ur name on a principle that u didnt originate- loans without usury- the bible is very elaborate on money matters, treatment of the poor and strangers and borrowg. Infact modern day capitalism is perversive compared to d biblical model. If the biblical model were truly practiced lots of problems of society in this area wud go away.
Dont delay payg ur workers their wages/salaries while u can (bible)
leave some extras for ur workers to enjoy (kinda like perks,tips,discounts for d poor) (bible)
dont b harsh on ur wrkers (humane treatment) (bible)
dont abuse ur resources,machines (bible "actually dont b cruel to ur work animals"
dont live to work . Take time off for family wife and ur God (bible)
have a party and a good time and thank God for ur profit (bible)
invest to make a profit (bible)
if u give to the poor ur lending to God (bible)
there'll always b d poor among u, cater for them (bible)

an economist will tell you that money is an instrument for measuring value.
No sane economist will tell u tht money is useless. In edge cases all things can b renderred worthless. Like expensive wristwatch is useless to a man without hands,like hyper inflation can make people return 2 bartering etc but these are abnormal situations and shudnt b used to make generalizations.

harbiola1: Heish! bring ur differences to my sharia court.

@Onegig, 100* weldone to u jare. Don't mind Mr. logic he is already missing Easter egg.

Logicboy03:


Epic statement at bold!!

rationalmind:
Don't bother. You have failed woefully with your first reply. You are just a pathetic, shameless muslim liar.

rationalmind:
We shall see who is illogical

Your first lie. Take a look at this

And whoever desires other than Islam as religion -
never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the
Hereafter, will be among the losers. Q3:85

rationalmind:
Lol, funny. And yet islam attempts to force the prophets(subjective) morals on its adherents.

rationalmind:
Can any one see why islamic nations are amongst the most wretched and the poorest in the world?

rationalmind:
While everyone is striving to live in accordance to our evolved morals in the 21st century, muslims are still immersed in the 7th century claiming religion doesn't change. Christians have learnt to take the appalling passages in the OT with a pinch of salt. Not so with muslims. Religion n the quran never changes.

rationalmind:
That explains why you see nothing wrong with getting married to a 9 year old. Mohammed as a false prophet can be forgiven for practising his societal barbaric norms. What should we now make of muslims in these modern world who are exposed to the dangers of adolescent marriage
and still yet, choose to follow 7th century norms n culture disguised as religion.

rationalmind:
All in the name of, religion doesn't change.

rationalmind:
Just again, mohammed n muslims always playing the victim.

Look at how this muslim shamelessly lies. The battle of badr is a perfect example that mohammeds didn't just defend himself. He was the one who initially sent out men to raid the caravans which then led to a battle with the meccan army sent to defend the raided caravans. How is this a defensive battle:

Then the apostle heard that Abu Sufyan was coming
from Syria with a large caravan of Qurish, containing
their money and merchandise, accompanied by
some thirty or forty men… When the Apostle heard
about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned
the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan
containing their property. Go out to attack it,
perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.” (Ibn Ishaq/
Hisham 428)

That is what happened from the very islamic books of history.

harbiola1:
Actually, it's not possible to see clearly with one eye closed.



Does that mean u should convert them without their consent.



All the prophets admonished morality.

Why



Religious practices are divine and can't be blended with anything that will destroy it divinity. Hence, one is only doing it in vain.


You're only slandering with ur 9y story.
and here, you show the level of the level of ur hypocrisy. Under Islam, marriage is not determined by age but maturity. And because u did nt subscribe to it, u think islam deserves ur criticism?
And other things that Islam did nt permit bt u think it's right, u'll also condemn Islam for it.



Religious pratices/tenet is different from other worldly activities. There is "Independent Reason" in islam provided it doesn't clash with it tenets.


Abu Sufyan who was later pardoned after the Conquest of Mecca, was one of the leaders of Quraish tribe, the very tribe of Prophet muhammed(saw). He took an active role in the persecution of Muslims, and he plotted the assassination of the prophet(saw) which He(saw) by the grace of God escaped and flee to Medina.

Prophet Muhammed's(saw) properties along with other muslims' that later escaped to Medina were ceased by this meccans.

The raid was an opportunity to recover their property.

rationalmind:

The verse of the quran is compelling us all to be muslims.

harbiola1:

The verse is a mere warning, put ur anger aside and open ur eye.

Not all the people of mecca accepted Islam after it conquest.

We ve Pagans, jews and christians. so, where do you see compulsion.

rationalmind: And abeg, abeg, I dey beg. If you know you have
nothing sensible to add, just ignore.

rationalmind:
And abeg, abeg, I dey beg. If you know you have nothing sensible to add, just ignore.

harbiola1:

Excuse me!

Joshthefirst: you're excused.


Always wanted to make that joke...

Joshthefirst: you're excused.


Always wanted to make that joke...

Joshthefirst: you're excused.


Always wanted to make that joke...

harbiola1:

Excuse me!

harbiola1:
The raid was an opportunity to recover their property.

Logicboy03:


I thought that you of all people would find this thread interesting

beejaay: so its ok to take revenge on those that rob u by robbing them back?i thought its said dt d best form of revenge is forgiveness? I though its known dt 2 wrongs can neve make a right? Going by ur logic are u saying we can follow prophet footstep by taking revenge cos its clear dt d raid wasnt self defence but a clear case of revenge.i just wanna know why u wil openly support taking revenge.i wil lyk to hear beta xplanation than this one u gave

Joshthefirst: I find the thread interesting.

Did you think I didn't?

beejaay: @op i think d problem is nt d religions bt d ppl that follow them(atleast d religions cnt talk:-D). The thing is dt people worship islam/xtianity instead of worshpin their different god wit muslims doing it more. When u truely listen to d followers of dis religions u wil c dt rather than worshpin god they worship religion and dts where d problem start 4rm

Logicboy03:



Who are the true followers?

Why are they hard to find?

beejaay: so its ok to take revenge on those that rob u by robbing them back?i thought its said dt d best form of revenge is forgiveness? I though its known dt 2 wrongs can neve make a right? Going by ur logic are u saying we can follow prophet footstep by taking revenge cos its clear dt d raid wasnt self defence but a clear case of revenge.i just wanna know why u wil openly support taking revenge.i wil lyk to hear beta xplanation than this one u gave

prophylaxis: @op wt is uR intension here, to jam d heads of d two faiths here. Be very careful.my lord is merciful bt remember dt he is also a consuming fire

vickyO: Muslims are running away from this thread.
Logic boy, I salute you.


In your faces Muslims. ......... Come counter the poster's claims and await our replies.

texanomaly:

As a Christian, you fall my hand with the bolded friend.

I do not believe the same way they do, but they are not all as LB described them. I have encountered Muslims who are not. As a Christian, I will not participate in putting them down.

I usually love your comments though girl.

texanomaly:

As a Christian, you fall my hand with the bolded friend.

I do not believe the same way they do, but they are not all as LB described them. I have encountered Muslims who are not. As a Christian, I will not participate in putting them down.

I usually love your comments though girl.

Logicboy03:



Who are the true followers?

Why are they hard to find?