Jarus:

If anything, there is no other religion that frowns against racism more than Islam. So grave is racism that the prophet(PBUH) specifically mentioned it in his all-important last sermon, which could be described as summary of his message. That is how grave racism is. Let me reproduce the sermon here:


The prophet, not necessarily the Arabs, is our model in Islam. And whatever he said or did definitely supercedes whatever any other other human, Arab or non Arab, says or does. So any Arab that thinks he's more superior to black Muslims is definitely ignorant, and I'm sure knowledgeable Muslim Arabs will not say that.

Looking at your argument more critically it appears you reached your conclusion based on the the way Nation of Islam adherents are seen by orthodox Muslims. Ironically, that should even be a point for the fact that Islam is not a racist religion. The nation of Islam is essentially racist, more of defending black interest, hiding under Islam. May Allah guide them aright, this is wrong. But the good thing is that is that most of tehm eventually finf the truth and join orthodox Islam, like Malcom X.

seeklove:

Thanks for your reply and the quote that you provided which is very informative. Like I said, I dont know wheather it is in the koran or not, I just bassed my argument on the conduct of a few Moslem's that I work with.

I was surprised at your post especially the highlighted parts, it is definitely very true, touching, and non-racist. But what I don't understand is how come some people read that in their holy book and still don't refrain from racism.

I guess we have such in all religions. Some Christians defend their atrocity with the bible eventhough the bible condem such atrocities.

This has taught me a lesson never to judge a book by its cover.


I was surprised that such words of love is from the Koran. Based on the quotations that some people have provided even in this forum, I thought the Koran was full of hatred. I know somebody once said that the prophet Mohamed once gave up his black salves for one non black one. Is this true?

Did prophet condone slavery?

After reading what he said in the verse that you provided I find it hard to believe that such a wise man can be a racist.

I also must commend your civility, rather than getting upset and insulting, you replied with facts. I wish some of your fellow Moslem's will learn from you. They are rather very quick to anger when somebody says something against Islam based on his or her personal experience.

@Poster
Well in Kano here they complain abt the yoruba muslims and their mosque becos of the way they recite the reading from the HOLY QUARAN. while reciting its as if they are singing which they say it wrong

temi 4 rea:

@Poster
Well in Kano here they complain abt the yoruba muslims and their mosque becos of the way they recite the reading from the HOLY QUARAN. while reciting its as if they are singing which they say it wrong.

seeklove:

Thanks for your reply and the quote that you provided which is very informative. Like I said, I dont know wheather it is in the koran or not, I just bassed my argument on the conduct of a few Moslem's that I work with.

I was surprised at your post especially the highlighted parts, it is definitely very true, touching, and non-racist. But what I don't understand is how come some people read that in their holy book and still don't refrain from racism.

I guess we have such in all religions. Some Christians defend their atrocity with the bible eventhough the bible condem such atrocities.

This has taught me a lesson never to judge a book by its cover.


I was surprised that such words of love is from the Koran. Based on the quotations that some people have provided even in this forum, I thought the Koran was full of hatred. I know somebody once said that the prophet Mohamed once gave up his black salves for one non black one. Is this true?

Did prophet condone slavery?

After reading what he said in the verse that you provided I find it hard to believe that such a wise man can be a racist.

I also must commend your civility, rather than getting upset and insulting, you replied with facts. I wish some of your fellow Moslem's will learn from you. They are rather very quick to anger when somebody says something against Islam based on his or her personal experience.

uplawal:

am not trying to judge u here o,but if u look closely the muslims on this site are more tolerant compared to the christians, the muslims give valid fact and explain rather than cursing or waving the questions

uplawal:

am not trying to judge u here o,but if u look closely the muslims on this site are more tolerant compared to the christians, the muslims give valid fact and explain rather than cursing or waving the questions

muhsin:

Very fair input!

Lagosboy:

Slavery has been part of the culture pre islam and on the advent of islam there were still slaves in the time of the prophet. Islams message was directed towards the emanicpation of slaves and the rights of slaves as well. The freeing of a slave became a charitable act in islam and the wealthy muslims freed lots of slave and Bilal was a living testimony to this act of charity. Bilal was freed by Abu bakr (May God be pleased with them all). Other companions like Wukasha and co were freed slaves.

In surah Balad (Q90 v12 -13) Allah was talking abt the steep path to paradise and the first issue or act Allah talked abt here was the freeing of a slave.

However, during wars slaves were captured as this was the norm in those days even in west africa history of the 16th century and earlier and they were were deemed to be causalities and war booty.

The main point is the message of islam was to free the slaves. It is unfortunate that some countries like mauritania still keep slaves and this is so unfortunate 1427 years after the prophet some people still practise this.

Having said this , the slave practice of the earlier era i mentioned is not comparable to the transatlantic slave trade of the europeans.

If i have said anything wrong please my other bros should correct me.

And God knows best.

JJYOU:

now back to the question why are u considered lesser than the hausa mole?

I'm not denying the fact that some(or most, if you say so) Hausa Muslims believe Yoruba Muslims are inferior. But what I'm saying is that it is borne out of ignorance, and no knowledgeable Hausa Muslim will believe or say that. I led prayers in Sokoto, with many hausas behind me.

Looking at it more critically, the reasons why some Hausas don't trust us Yoruba Muslims is not totally out of place, but the situation has greatly improved. Mixing idolatory with Islam WAS quite common in Yorubaland before. When Islam came to Yorubaland, many of our forefathers, may Allah forgive them, accepted Islam but still found it difficult to drop their idolatory traditional practices. That is why you will see soem of them using bante(charms) etc. As time went on, it became clearer to them that you have to enter Islam wholeheartedly, and they dropped their fetish practices. But till today or until recently, you still find some Yoruba Muslims doing these things. For example I will not be surprised if the person under eyo is Kamoru or Luku. And this same Luku or kamoru comes to Mosque. I, even as a fellow Yoruba, cannot pray behind somebody that did eyo. So it was the prevalence of these practices(mixing Islam with idolatory) that made Hausa Muslims doubt Yoruba Muslims. They generalize and feel every Yoruba also participates in sango, eyo worshipping etc. I had a discussion with the Hausa Principal of the school I served in Sokoto a couple of years ago and I explained to him that it was a misconception, while admitting that it once used to be very prevalent.

Another reason why Hausa Muslims have the tendency to see themselves as superior to us is that far many Yoruba people do nothing in Islam other than bearing the name. Many of us don't say our 5 daily prayers. But in hausaland, it is part of them, and 98% at least say their salats. My principal in Sokoto was surprised seeing me observing my salats regularly and timely, and confessed to me that I was the first Yoruba Muslim corper to be posted to that School that will be praying his salats, regularly and timely. These are the things that make them cast aspersions on us Yoruba Muslims.

Lest I omit this, we Yoruba Muslims, like South-westerners generally,are somehow more inclined to western culture than Islamic culture. From dressing to interactions to free mixing to openly shaking hands and even hugging between male and female etc, Hausas find these things very strange and surprised seeing Muslims do them too. So they don't trust us.

And finally, there is the cultural aspect. The children among them believe that Hausas are the only Muslims and there are no Yoruba Muslims. They find it difficult to distinguish between their culture and Islam(and in actual fact, hardly distinguishable). They think since Hausa=Muslim, then Yoruba cannot be equal to Muslim, since Yoruba is not equal to Hausa. This was why in their schools, pupils found it difficult to believe some of us corpers were Muslim.

But the actual fact is that things have really changed a lot. Yoruba Muslims have really improved a lot. Yoruba Muslims hardly take part in all those idolatory practices again, Islamic morals are now being upheld as opposed to flagrant disregard to them hitherto, a high % of Yoruba Muslims don't joke say their salats now etc. And many Hausa Muslims acknowledge this. In fact, what they now say is that 'Yoruba Muslims are either highly devoted or loose, but the bulk of Hausa are average'', given the fact most of the 'conc' student preachers & MSSN exco in northern Universities are Yorubas and the 'baddest' are also from Yorubas.

JJYOU:

egbon, dafur and sudan makes my first highlight a joke. they must be reading different koran.

JJYOU:

secondly it is a known fact the arabs treated slaves worse than the europeans. this is one of the main obstacle today with gadaffi championing the AU project.  

JJYOU:

slavery in all in its form is vile and wicked doesnt matter who is did it. i lived in hampstead & stanmore some few years back you can still see your arab cousins exhibiting their slave master mentality on sadly black and phillipino maids. sadly my naija peeps put in their little quota.

Good point ! I personally see some of d yoruba muslim inferior bcoz their belief (faith) is weak

Aloy.Emeka:

Does a weak faith translate to inferiority?

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I don't need to check the dictionary on this one. I ask again, does having a weak faith translate to being inferior?. If I am a weak christian, does it mean that I am inferior to other christians?

Abuzola:

Haha wetin be tamba ?

Tamba i believe, is when you rinse the butthole with water after having a shit

OR

Rinsing the Instruments with water after a leak!

Abuzola:

Wallayi during d OPC riot, yoruba muslim lured d hausa with salamu alaikum, if they recognised d respond as hausa they

Wallayi during d OPC riot, yoruba muslim lured d hausa with salamu alaikum, if they recognised d respond as hausa they