Sagamite:


If I was to take pleasure in shredding more of your arguments by picking up another thinking below my level, I would say it was more delusional to believe a man that:

Cuts off people's heads, orders torture to obtain treasure, spreads his unverified and unverifiable proclamations by the sword of killing, orders killings of unarmed poets for verbal/written challenges of his proclamations, orders killings for refusal to accept his proclamations and follow him, orders the killing of followers that change their minds and want to leave the religion, orders and participates in armed robberies, treats those that are not his followers as inferior beings, takes slaves, raapes his female slaves etc

would not qualify to be accountable to "your Creator" for any misdeeds. Rather you believe "your Creator" would see him as a hero is what I would regard as deriving comfort from low-level thinking delusions.

At my level, you don't need to be omniscient to know those are wrong and unacceptable in any transcendental realm, even if you believe in unverified and unverifiable junk folklores.

At least, you can see now that Google has all this while been my cousin and you don't need to introduce it to me as a friend.

Oh, Saga the Mighty

simplex2:


Lol...91% of christians are so because of the fear of hell; only 9% because of the true love of god. **the fear factor**

Sagamite:


If I was to take pleasure in shredding more of your arguments by picking up another thinking below my level, I would say it was more delusional to believe a man that:

Cuts off people's heads, orders torture to obtain treasure, spreads his unverified and unverifiable proclamations by the sword of killing, orders killings of unarmed poets for verbal/written challenges of his proclamations, orders killings for refusal to accept his proclamations and follow him, orders the killing of followers that change their minds and want to leave the religion, orders and participates in armed robberies, treats those that are not his followers as inferior beings, takes slaves, raapes his female slaves etc

would not qualify to be accountable to "your Creator" for any misdeeds. Rather you believe "your Creator" would see him as a hero is what I would regard as deriving comfort from low-level thinking delusions.

At my level, you don't need to be omniscient to know those are wrong and unacceptable in any transcendental realm

honourhim:
@op,
It is more delusional for me to accept your analysis on religion/christianity/bible, things that have been in existence thousands of years before you came into this world.
Its just funny how you people reason, you want me to believe your writing and disbelieve other people's writing. What makes you think you are right and they are wrong? Your post is for small boys and girls whose minds are easy to deceive.

frank317:


Read the OP and for once in your life, make sense out of it. Not everything is about just believing. Not everything needs faith to make sense. Everything is not scriptural that u just read and believe without asking question or even taking your time to analyze.
Besides did anybody force you to believe what you read in the Bible and disbelieve what was on the Koran?

Abuamam:


Sure, except all the above are not actions of the man I believe has delivered the message from my Creator. They are your assessments based on reading fictitious sources that are used for propaganda purposes... a crack in your vaunted relying on provable evidence. It shows that you rely on 'evidence' that panders to your personal petty prejudices as much as the next man, I see no reason why you purport to hold the high ground. Your beliefs are as unverifiable and unverified as mine.

I would be extremely arrogant to say that you are a figment of my imagination just because no scientist has verified your existence, boasting my self allocated 'high level'; (of what, I wonder? you referred to it twice).

Go check eminent scientific fallacies from just a 100 years ago. They confidently denied the possibility of practically every item of technology that is now taken for granted. At your low level of scientific achievements, you have not yet learnt that true scientists never assert that any set of events is impossible in its occurrence. They realise that in a few years, that statement could make them an object of ridicule.

It is a sign of knowledge to say that you do not know when you do not know, or keep mute.

asala1:
OP let me help you

Source: http://godisimaginary.com/i7.htm

Ranchhoddas:
@op Very insightful but factor in supernatural occurences in places of worship(churches,mosques,etc)and ur whole claim that religion is a total delusion is invalidated.PS:i expect you to come and start trying to rationalize those 'alleged' occurences.

Weah96:


Which supernatural occurrences?
People who've been blind from birth, go to these miracle working churches and come out BLIND.

Only diseases like Hep A, gastritis, or diabetes are "cured" because the members of the congregation can't SEE the disease.

Don't be deceived. If any magical healing was taking place, there wouldn't be any atheists on NL.

Abuamam:




I would be extremely arrogant to say that you are a figment of my imagination just because no scientist has verified your existence, boasting my self allocated 'high level'; (of what, I wonder? you referred to it twice).



It is a sign of knowledge to say that you do not know when you do not know, or keep mute.

honourhim:


I think you too deserve the reply below

frank317:


ya.... the same guy you are quoting and referring me to is making a case against your believe in his earlier comments. stop clinging on a slippery tree when you are falling, it will not hold you for long.

besides, read what he wrote and he is indirectly proving the OP

Weah96:


But that's the problem, you guys are NOT keeping quiet. You're running around, beating your chests, and all you've got is a broken book filled with myths from the middle east.

Why should a scientist have to prove that a handle on NL belongs to a human being? Does that make sense to you?

Is it not blatantly obvious to EVERYONE (Muslims, Christians, native doctors, Satanists, Shiva ppl, Buddhists, forest dwelling cannibals) that only human beings, or human operated computers can post comments on websites?

honourhim:


I don't care whatever he says in another post. I don't attack or commend individuals rather I attack or commend what you wrote.
If an atheist makes a good point I commend it. That's my style.
That reply he gave answered you, stop twisting it.

frank317:


Of course what he says will make absolute sense to you as long as he believes in God. For now Allah can be ur God just as long as he is a believer in something. After all u need help to challenge atheists, then latter u can warn him on how he says would go to hell for believing in the wrong God.

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frank317:



Sometimes I wonder if you guys are clowns. Stop believing, it's erroneous, if its all about believe I would believe in a tree and make my case based on my delusion.

Even if atheists are wrong, the fact that they ask questions and seek to know instead of just believing should make u give them some credit. I feel if your God exists he would love atheists better.

Abuamam:


It is not blatantly obvious if we are to use the same standards you demand as evidence. Unless we test every post on the internet and ascertain that a person or a person operated computer posted it, we should not believe in western fairy tales that all posts on the internet are by people, so we must all desist from believing it. I am reasoning according to your standards here.

Abuamam:


Yes I am a muslim now, though have previously denied that God exists.

The science of hadith thoroughly vouches each and every person involved in a chain of narrators. His life history is studied for evidence of truthfulness, possibility of forgetfulness, whether he historically lived in the time period and location as the person he claimed to have recieved the information from, and the probability of his having studied or actually heard from the person. And the process continues up the chain of narrators directly to the person(s) who saw the event directly from the prophet (saw). The process does not stop there. Evidence is sought from independent sources for collaborating narrative of the same event. These independent sources would likely have their own chain of narrators who also undergo thorough vouching. This goes on until all the chains for a specific hadith have been vouched. We are looking at a single statement from the prophet (saw) here, or a single action. The hadith can then be ranked as authentic, acceptable, weak or fabricated... to mention the simplest form of ranking. This system of historical narrative is the most reliable possible, and no other historical events undergo such authentication; historians of other events often base their hypotheses on a single faded papyrus and it gets accepted worldwide. The muslim system requires exhaustive examination before acceptance.

"Fabulous signs" are a reference to signs that are inexplicable from a scientific perspective. These events or 'miracles' if you like, occurred hundreds of times during the life of the prophet (saw). While muslims believe that such miracles are not exclusive to prophets or 'Godly' men, and we do not boast of them as signs of prophethood, we know that many such scientifically inexplicable signs did occur by his agency. I mention it here not as evidence of the truth of Islam, but to inform you that the story of the Buraq is just one out of hundreds of transmitted narrations of different miracles.

honourhim:


I wonder how you reason. Are you a clown? This thread is addressed to religious people. Now you are crying because i quoted a reply that fits you from a religious person.

The difference between us and you is that we dont ask foolish questions. We dont also believe foolishly. You didnt know what you believed that was what led you into questions. I know what i believe. it will amount to gross foolishness for me to question what i know and i'm very sure of. That you dont know doesnt mean i dont know so face your life.

frank317:


Oh puuuleeeeese? You and I know he is as much as ur 'enemy' as I am in this battle of believe. The reason why he does not believe in your God is the reason why I don't believe in your god too. Its just proves the op if you actually read and understood.
He being religious like you does not put both of u in the same boat. He has outrigthly condemed your believe system even while he challenged the op. Yet you cling unto him like a lost child just to prove your point. Pls stop making me feel I am talking to a kid.




I challenge you to quote just one single foolish question an atheist has ever asked you.

The last time I check asking question is not a bad thing.

Well if you know what you 'believe' I will not be surprised... After all, your dear friend who you quoted also knows what he believes. But do you know that he knows that what you know you believe is false? Confirm this before you quote him again. clown.

Abuamam:


It is not blatantly obvious if we are to use the same standards you demand as evidence. Unless we test every post on the internet and ascertain that a person or a person operated computer posted it, we should not believe in western fairy tales that all posts on the internet are by people, so we must all desist from believing it. I am reasoning according to your standards here.

As for beating our chests, how many posts do you see by muslims claiming that you atheists are deluded? We mind our business until one smartass or the other, in a bid to convince himself that his aimless existence has meaning, takes it upon himself to teach us the 'fallacies' in our religion. And of course, a response means we are beating our chests.

honourhim:


See how you are crying and wailing because i quoted him. You and him are not the same. You believe in no God at all, no creator. Its only senseless people that will believe there is no creator. You and him are wide apart so stop crying. We have our differences in our beliefs but thats not the issue now. You are just bringing this one as a cover up to your foolish believe. When we get to a thread where we discuss which God is right or which of the two(christianity and Islam) is right then we iron it out but for now, deal with his post. I can see the thing dey pain you. kpele o, ndo biko o

Abuamam:

Sure, except all the above are not actions of the man I believe has delivered the message from my Creator. They are your assessments based on reading fictitious sources that are used for propaganda purposes... a crack in your vaunted relying on provable evidence. It shows that you rely on 'evidence' that panders to your personal petty prejudices as much as the next man, I see no reason why you purport to hold the high ground. Your beliefs are as unverifiable and unverified as mine.

Abuamam:

I would be extremely arrogant to say that you are a figment of my imagination just because no scientist has verified your existence, boasting my self allocated 'high level'; (of what, I wonder? you referred to it twice).

Abuamam:

Go check eminent scientific fallacies from just a 100 years ago. They confidently denied the possibility of practically every item of technology that is now taken for granted. At your low level of scientific achievements, you have not yet learnt that true scientists never assert that any set of events is impossible in its occurrence. They realise that in a few years, that statement could make them an object of ridicule.

It is a sign of knowledge to say that you do not know when you do not know, or keep mute.

Abuamam:

Sure, except all the above are not actions of the man I believe has delivered the message from my Creator. They are your assessments based on reading fictitious sources that are used for propaganda purposes... a crack in your vaunted relying on provable evidence. It shows that you rely on 'evidence' that panders to your personal petty prejudices as much as the next man, I see no reason why you purport to hold the high ground. Your beliefs are as unverifiable and unverified as mine.

Sagamite:


Oh, now it is "google is your friend"?

So you cannot name any of the people you so confidently proclaimed as men with integrity?

Nor can you name your miracles?

Why?

You pulled those arguments from your arsse?

Sagamite:


Oh, now it is "google is your friend"?

So you cannot name any of the people you so confidently proclaimed as men with integrity?

Nor can you name your miracles?

Why?

You pulled those arguments from your arsse?

Ranchhoddas:
you wouldn't believe if i told you so there's no need.

honourhim:


See how you are crying and wailing because i quoted him. You and him are not the same. You believe in no God at all, no creator. Its only senseless people that will believe there is no creator. You and him are wide apart so stop crying. We have our differences in our beliefs but thats not the issue now. You are just bringing this one as a cover up to your foolish believe. When we get to a thread where we discuss which God is right or which of the two(christianity and Islam) is right then we iron it out but for now, deal with his post. I can see the thing dey pain you. kpele o, ndo biko o

honourhim:

We have our differences in our beliefs but thats not the issue now.

honourhim:


See how you are crying and wailing because i quoted him. You and him are not the same. You believe in no God at all, no creator. Its only senseless people that will believe there is no creator. You and him are wide apart so stop crying. We have our differences in our beliefs but thats not the issue now. You are just bringing this one as a cover up to your foolish believe. When we get to a thread where we discuss which God is right or which of the two(christianity and Islam) is right then we iron it out but for now, deal with his post. I can see the thing dey pain you. kpele o, ndo biko o