DerideGull:


It is apparent you omitted one strong suit playing to the advantage of the South Korea which is homogeneous society. Other than the Japanese and Chinese whose stay in Korea is still regarded as temporary, South Koreans equate citizenship with membership in a single, homogeneous ethnic group.

If USA and its allies granted the same economic and technological assistance to Nigeria, the result could not have been better than what is obtained in Nigeria today.

I think you need to correct ur last paragraph..
But keep in mind that Nigeria and most other countries got independence after WW2, and in order for many of them to not engage in the ideological warfare between the Capitalist West and Communist East, that nearly caused WW3, they formed the Non-Aligned Movement. South Korea became an Capitalist holding, and North Korea became a Communist holding.
In other words, if a country had joined either bloc, it would benefit immensely from it, but could also lead the world to another war.

geeez:

If Western Nigeria had continued to grow at the pace it was, then Seoul will be like ten cities behind Ibadan when developed cities are listed

Its unfortunate we have had to live with the mediocrity of others and contend with the underdevelopment of most of the rest

^^^You know i actually agree with your post! There's a first time for everything i suppose.

Wrong decisions were made by some of your leaders in the run up to the civil war; we could have been talking of a Oduduwa Republic by now......one unencumbered by 'Nigeria' and all the wahala that comes with sharing the same country with strange bedfellows!

DerideGull:


It is apparent you omitted one strong suit playing to the advantage of the South Korea which is homogeneous society. Other than the Japanese and Chinese whose stay in Korea is still regarded as temporary, South Koreans equate citizenship with membership in a single, homogeneous ethnic group.

If USA and its allies granted the same economic and technological assistance to Nigeria, the result could not have been better than what is obtained in Nigeria today.

Sorry...You don't KNOW that. You terribly underestimate the power of unrestricted western market access, such as was granted the 4 Asian Tigers in the 50s. Look, even today, despite Ghana being the world's largest cocoa producer, she is still subject to massive tarriffs and market restrictions in trying to sell mere CHOCOLATE to the west. CHOCOLATE! Why do you think Ghana is not making billions a year from exporting manufactured chocolate which by right she should be doing? Why are Cadbury and Nestle chocolate giants and not some Ghana firm? Answer: Western protectionism. So is it when Ghana uses her minerals to manufacture electronics and cars that the west will open their markets? Historically, the minute you start to add real value to your raw materials as an African nation and seek to export to the west, all sorts of barriers come up. Add this to the economic pressure instituted on African governments to 'liberalise' their economies by permitting imports of items like textiles, rice etc... and it's not hard to see how local industries will simply not become replicas of 'South Korea' and 'Singapore' in a couple of decades like those states. I can guarantee you that if the barriers of western protectionism were removed for even SOMALIA, you would see that nation selling home built cars, trucks, and electronics to Europe and the west in 5-10 years. There is no magic to development. If a rich nation tells a poor nation ''we will buy all your wares at 600% of your costs'' the poor nation will stop its wars and division same day and start producing for export, because it is virtual free money! Afterall South Korea was locked in brutal dictatorship and corruption in the 50s before the west 'adopted' her. The west had even fought for her creation, protecting her against attacks from communist North Korea, Russia and China.

All Africa can hope for now is that the growing internal trade within the continent - which in itself is a function of rising incomes - is sustained long enough for big consumer markets to develop within the continent to help boost exports of African nations to one another. For instance the new Nissan plant being established in Nigeria could be a launch pad for exporting cars to the rest of Africa and the Middle East perhaps, and not least the Nigerian market itself. Seeking to do a ''South Korea'' today - by getting rich through exporting finished products to the west - is economically unfeasible, with western markets not only cornered by the Asian Tigers, but with slowing economic growth in the west making it a less and less attractive market for emerging economies.

ROSSIKE: WHAT A LOAD OF DUMBED DOWN GARBAGE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION YOU SHALLOW, NON-RESEARCHING SELF LOATHERS, THE ONLY REASON, REPEAT: THE ONLY REASON South Korea is a developed nation today is that after WW2, the victorious western allies led by the US decided to create STRONG CAPITALIST BULWARKS to checkmate the spread of COMMUNISM in the Asia Pacific. This they did by CHOOSING a specific set of Pacific nations in the 1950s to which they granted UNPRECEDENTED FINANCIAL, TECHNOLOGICAL, AND ECONOMIC SUPPORT INCLUDING, MOST IMPORTANTLY, UNLIMITED ACCESS TO WESTERN MARKETS FOR THEIR FINISHED PRODUCTS.

THE RESULT? By the 1980s, THOSE CHOSEN STATES HAD BECOME THE 'TIGER ECONOMIES' OF ASIA.

WITHOUT THOSE WESTERN INCENTIVES, ESPECIALLY UNRESTRICTED MARKET ACCESS (UNRECEIVED BY ANY AFRICAN STATE IN MODERN HISTORY) SOUTH KOREA WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT FROM ITS ASIAN NEIGHBOURS WHICH WERE NOT CHOSEN - Burma, Nepal, North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Bhutan, East Timor, Papua New Guinea and others.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN POSTING THESE SILLY PICTURES COMPARING NIGERIA AND SOUTH KOREA. BETTER YET, LEARN TO READ THE HISTORY OF DEVELOPMENT OF NATIONS BEFORE DRAWING LAZY CONCLUSIONS BASED ON LACK OF RESEARCH.

First of all learn to NOT type mostly in CAPITAL letters it is as if you are screaming endlessly and does not make your post reader-friendly.
#UsefulAdvice.

Self deceit is said to be the worst form of STUPIDITY and that is what is on display in the above post.
It is such a pity that our fellow citizens who do not know any better will accept such self-deceit that makes us expect an EXTERNAL agent to be responsible for our deliverance, development and growth.
I do not know where you got the wild distortion you posted above but you may want to provide the actual "research" you referred to with credible sources.

In the meantime, you can reflect on my post on another thread that is appropriate to be re-posted here:
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https://www.nairaland.com/1569525/reps-urge-fg-suspend-new/2#20507705

While you are free to indulge yourself in your own delusion it will be a great injustice for me to allow you confuse our fellow compatriots into the same trap.
These are excerpts from the South Korean experience with mega-conglomerates otherwise known as Chaebols of which Samsung, LG and Hyundai are world renowned brands TODAY:

South Korea's economy was small and predominantly agricultural well into the mid-20th century. However, the policies of President Park Chung Hee spurred rapid industrialization by promoting large businesses, following his seizure of power in 1961. This was called the First Five Year Economic Plan. Government industrial policy set the direction of new investment, and the chaebol were to be guaranteed loans from the banking sector. In this way, the chaebol played a key role in developing new industries, markets, and export production, helping place South Korea as one of the Four Asian Tigers.
Although South Korea's major industrial programs did not begin until the early 1960s (i.e. some 50 years ago), the origins of the country's entrepreneurial elite were found in the political economy of the 1950s. Very few Koreans had owned or managed larger corporations during the Japanese colonial period. After the departure of the Japanese in 1945, (i.e. about 70 years ago and 15 years before Nigeria's independence) some Korean businessmen obtained the assets of some of the Japanese firms, a number of which grew into the chaebol of the 1990s. These companies, as well as certain other firms that were formed in the late 1940s and early 1950s, had close links with Syngman Rhee's First Republic, which lasted from 1948 to 1960. It was alleged that many of these companies received special favors from the government in return for kickbacks and other payments.

When the military took over the government in 1961, military leaders announced that they would eradicate the corruption that had plagued the Rhee administration and eliminate injustice from society. Some leading industrialists were arrested and charged with corruption, but the new government realized that it would need the help of the entrepreneurs if the government's ambitious plans to modernize the economy were to be fulfilled. A compromise was reached, under which many of the accused corporate leaders paid fines to the government. Subsequently, there was increased cooperation between corporate and government leaders in modernizing the economy.[4]

Government-chaebol cooperation was essential to the subsequent economic growth and astounding successes that began in the early 1960s. Driven by the urgent need to turn the economy away from consumer goods and light industries toward heavy, chemical, and import-substitution industries, political leaders and government planners relied on the ideas and cooperation of the chaebol leaders. The government provided the blueprints for industrial expansion; the chaebol realized the plans. However, the chaebol-led industrialization accelerated the monopolistic and oligopolistic concentration of capital and economically profitable activities in the hands of a limited number of conglomerates.
Park used the chaebol as a means towards economic growth. Exports were encouraged, reversing Rhee's policy of reliance on imports. Performance quotas were established.

More from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol

Is this not somewhat similar to the laudable initiatives being put in place and vigorously pursued by the democratic administration of Dr. Goodluck Ebele Jonathan, President of the FRN
Hopefully his team will learn from the shortcomings of the Korean experience and make necessary amends.

pleasreeeeeeeeeeee stop giving excuses for nigerias retrogression. babbling about we not having the same support south Korea got from U.S.
South Africa under apartheid didn't get any support from anybody, Germany was heavily destroyed physically and economically, Japan, etc.
the truth is even with such good leadership in south Korea, if the population was black, trust me they'd still destroyed it. the bulk of negroes are destroyers. the very nature and values are retrogressive, and savage.

perhaps you may need to understand how and why the apartheid segregation started. it wasn't like that from beginning you know.

call me a bigot, but this us the truth. even South africa after being built and handed over to the blacks, see what it's turned to, same with black populated parts of U.S, and the U.K.
it's scary and hard to accept, but it's the truth.

atlwireles:

Right on point. South Koreans were sold Jesus Christ and the American dollar. America built South Korea without question.

Yet another self-delusion comment implicitly yearning for crutches (messiahs/ foreign aid) when we are NOT handicapped people. Yet it does not reflect the reality of South Korea's recent history:

Statistics on religion by population[edit]

Of the South Korean population in 2005, 46.5% were classified as Irreligious, 22.8% were Buddhist, 29.2% were Christians (18.3% are Protestants and 10.9% were Catholics), and the rest adhered to various minority religions including Jeung San Do, Daesun Jinrihoe, Cheondoism, Taoism, Confucianism and Won Buddhism. A smaller minority of Koreans also professed Islam.[1]
A 2010 survey yielded results saying Christian 31.6% (Protestant 24%, Roman Catholic 7.6%), Buddhist 24.2%, other or unknown 0.9%, none 43.3% [3]

More from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_South_Korea

When shall we learn to accept that we need to make adequate, long suffering sacrifices today in order to guarantee a better tomorrow for ourselves
Instead of seeking quick-fixes like some drug addict who has condemned himself for life
Where is our pride as a people?

anonimi:

Yet another self-delusion comment implicitly yearning for crutches (messiahs/ foreign aid) when we are NOT handicapped people. Yet it does not reflect the reality of South Korea's recent history:



When shall we learn to accept that we need to make adequate, long suffering sacrifices today in order to guarantee a better tomorrow for ourselves
Instead of seeking quick-fixes like some drug addict who has condemned himself for life
Where is our pride as a people?

especially the ojota cabal that stupidly fights policies that'll safeguard the future for our kids, Cos our generations Bern badly charred
. Nigeria's practice of mixed economy is a curse, we must bow to capitalism. say no to apc socialists and kakistocrats.

revolt: especially the ojota cabal that stupidly fights policies that'll safeguard the future for our kids, Cos our generations Bern badly charred
. Nigeria's practice of mixed economy is a curse, we must bow to capitalism. say no to apc socialists and kakistocrats.

I see the scammers and fraudsters in APC have managed to hoodwink you into believing they are socialists- far from it. That is the result of their very sleek and smooth propaganda machinery.
Is their natinal leader not Tinubu, owner of

- Oriental hotel, Lekki
- First Nation airlines
- Nation newspapers
- TV Continental
- etc, etc.

Are they not promoting Eko Atlantic city while rendering many of our fellow residents of Lagos homeless
Did Fashola not hike LASU fees by 1,000% yet could not upgrade the quality of teaching AND research in the school to the extent that their own ASUU are threatening to go on strike yet again.
How many children in APC controlled states do you see roaming the streets during school hours because of the propaganda-only free education offered

Can you compare that to Awolowo's Action Group, AG and Unity Party of Nigeria, UPN?
Definitely sleep is very different from death just as original is different from fake product.

anonimi:

I see the scammers and fraudsters in APC have managed to hoodwink you into believing they are socialists- far from it. That is the result of their very sleek and smooth propaganda machinery.
Is their natinal leader not Tinubu, owner of

- Oriental hotel, Lekki
- First Nation airlines
- Nation newspapers
- TV Continental
- etc, etc.

Are they not promoting Eko Atlantic city while rendering many of our fellow residents of Lagos homeless
Did Fashola not hike LASU fees by 1,000% yet could not upgrade the quality of teaching AND research in the school to the extent that their own ASUU are threatening to go on strike yet again.
How many children in APC controlled states do you see roaming the streets during school hours because of the propaganda-only free education offered

Can you compare that to Awolowo's Action Group, AG and Unity Party of Nigeria, UPN?
Definitely sleep is very different from death just as original is different from fake product.

Tinubu can do all that because lasg govt virtually has stakes in every sector. so by proximity he can manipulate the govt to suit hid needs. if it was truly capitalist he wouldn't be in so much control.

anonimi:

First of all learn to NOT type mostly in CAPITAL letters it is as if you are screaming endlessly and does not make your post reader-friendly.
#UsefulAdvice.

Self deceit is said to be the worst form of STUPIDITY and that is what is on display in the above post.
It is such a pity that our fellow citizens who do not know any better will accept such self-deceit that makes us expect an EXTERNAL agent to be responsible for our deliverance, development and growth.
I do not know where you got the wild distortion you posted above but you may want to provide the actual "research" you referred to with credible sources.

In the meantime, you can reflect on my post on another thread that is appropriate to be re-posted here:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

https://www.nairaland.com/1569525/reps-urge-fg-suspend-new/2#20507705

While you are free to indulge yourself in your own delusion it will be a great injustice for me to allow you confuse our fellow compatriots into the same trap.
These are excerpts from the South Korean experience with mega-conglomerates otherwise known as Chaebols of which Samsung, LG and Hyundai are world renowned brands TODAY:



Is this not somewhat similar to the laudable initiatives being put in place and vigorously pursued by the democratic administration of Dr. Goodluck Ebele Jonathan, President of the FRN
Hopefully his team will learn from the shortcomings of the Korean experience and make necessary amends.

In the year 2010, a Shell exec was recorded boasting that the company has secret agents in every Ministry in Nigeria, thereby making it impossible for the govt to checkmate the Shell without Shell already knowing about it. Also, in the 1960s, the CIA and the MI6 masterminded the death of the liberator of Congo, and imposed, and backed, a dictatorial regime for years!
So oga who told you that Western nations may not have a hand in our numerous problems?!
Also you said that the South Korean leader of earlier years, initiated policies which facilitated industrialization. Now this was what truly happened:
Japan didn't leave Korea because Korea was defeating them! No! Japan was shocked by the 2 atomic bombs dropped at Nagasaki and Hiroshima! They were already losing big time to the US, and eventually SURRENDERED!
After the Japanese surrender, the US controlled all its territories, including South Korea, while North Korea was controlled by the Soviet Union!
So when both the US and the Soviet Union decided to conduct elections in a divided Korea, under UN observation, ideology kicked in and caused the Korean War!
The North was communist, the South was capitalist!
When the Korean War began, the US and the Soviet Union supported their own sides! And that is the genesis of how Korea became divided!
So where in this Nollywood trailer did you see that South Korea was truly independent?!
Do you really believe a small, not too populated, not too blessed South Korea could have initiated policies and actually finance their implementation, then? Do you really believe that war torn and divided country could recuperate, and restructure itself so effective and quickly? Do you really believe that South Korea would still exist if the US withdraws its over 10,000 troops from the "scariest" place on earth, that is the Demilitarized Zone that separates the North from the South? Let them withdraw and let's see whether there won't be anarchy!
Infact why do you think the Western nations use propaganda? They paint other nations good, and paint other nations bad. Why?
I can go own forever, but I feel my point has been made!

abubaka101:
I think you need to correct ur last paragraph..
But keep in mind that Nigeria and most other countries got independence after WW2, and in order for many of them to not engage in the ideological warfare between the Capitalist West and Communist East, that nearly caused WW3, they formed the Non-Aligned Movement. South Korea became an Capitalist holding, and North Korea became a Communist holding.
In other words, if a country had joined either bloc, it would benefit immensely from it, but could also lead the world to another war.

You can not eat your cake and have it. Nigerians foolishly chose to be part of “Non-Aligned Movement” primarily because of the political imbalance in the country. It is unfortunate people tend to use the threat of war to mask their political ingenuity. As currently configured, Nigeria has been a junk, is a junk and shall remain a junk unless something drastic is done.

anonimi:

Yet another self-delusion comment implicitly yearning for crutches (messiahs/ foreign aid) when we are NOT handicapped people. Yet it does not reflect the reality of South Korea's recent history:



When shall we learn to accept that we need to make adequate, long suffering sacrifices today in order to guarantee a better tomorrow for ourselves
Instead of seeking quick-fixes like some drug addict who has condemned himself for life
Where is our pride as a people?

Chairman see, foreign aid and Western incentives aren't what we are saying! We are not foolish, we know for a fact that Western nations use these measures to tap our natural resources unlimitedly and unrestrictedly! But what we are saying is, South Korea that the op is comparing us with grew and was protected by the US in a region that is dominated by "communist-minded" states (Russia, China, Vietnam, North Korea, etc). What we are saying is, while African nations were trying not to take sides, but remain neutral during the Cold War (1947-1991), South Korea was already caughtup in the middle of it by virtue of them being occupied by the US (The main leader of the Capitalist West). Hence the US did everything they could to ensure that Communist influence/sympathy doesn't spread to South Korea and Japan. The growth of both nations was thus influenced by the US! And cannot be compared with a young, independent, non-aligned, African nation like Nigeria
Invariably, we are asking for reasonable comparisons!

DerideGull:


You can not eat your cake and have it. Nigerians foolishly chose to be part of “Non-Aligned Movement” primarily because of the political imbalance in the country. It is unfortunate people tend to use the threat of war to mask their political ingenuity. As currently configured, Nigeria has been a junk, is a junk and shall remain a junk unless something drastic is done.

See this guy oo!
You mean to tell me that our local politics was what made us join the NAM! If I hear!!
They say "when two elephants fight, the grass suffers." In order for us to avoid being the grass, we chose to simply avoid the fate of the grass, by being on the safer side!
So you believe local politics like, NPC faults Census results, AG decries not having majority in the House, NCNC fear that they would be the minorities, Awolowo and Akintola are in conflict, etc, could cause Nigeria to simply join the NAM?! Guy you funny ooo!!

revolt: pleasreeeeeeeeeeee stop giving excuses for nigerias retrogression. babbling about we not having the same support south Korea got from U.S.
South Africa under apartheid didn't get any support from anybody, Germany was heavily destroyed physically and economically, Japan, etc.
the truth is even with such good leadership in south Korea, if the population was black, trust me they'd still destroyed it. the bulk of negroes are destroyers. the very nature and values are retrogressive, and savage.

perhaps you may need to understand how and why the apartheid segregation started. it wasn't like that from beginning you know.

call me a bigot, but this us the truth. even South africa after being built and handed over to the blacks, see what it's turned to, same with black populated parts of U.S, and the U.K.
it's scary and hard to accept, but it's the truth.

The bold text was what got me irritated the most! How did it start? Strangers cameout of nowhere and decided that they found your environment cool, and started living in your environment with you. They went and called more of their people to come and take up more of your land, causing you to move to another location. They still came there and occupied your land. And when your people ran out of patience they fought the strangers. But because your people outnumbered the strangers, and still lost to the strangers, they decided to treat your people like garbage for over a hundred years! They falsified the Bible to discriminate against your people, they say you shouldn't attend their own schools, among many other things!
So what silly assumption were you going to say about the Apartheid?!
And who told you blacks in SA didn't get any support during apartheid?!
Na you sabi sha!

ROSSIKE:

Sorry...You don't KNOW that. You terribly underestimate the power of unrestricted western market access, such as was granted the 4 Asian Tigers in the 50s. Look, even today, despite Ghana being the world's largest cocoa producer, she is still subject to massive tarriffs and market restrictions in trying to sell mere CHOCOLATE to the west. CHOCOLATE! Why do you think Ghana is not making billions a year from exporting manufactured chocolate which by right she should be doing? Why are Cadbury and Nestle chocolate giants and not some Ghana firm? Answer: Western protectionism. So is it when Ghana uses her minerals to manufacture electronics and cars that the west will open their markets? Historically, the minute you start to add real value to your raw materials as an African nation and seek to export to the west, all sorts of barriers come up. Add this to the economic pressure instituted on African governments to 'liberalise' their economies by permitting imports of items like textiles, rice etc... and it's not hard to see how local industries will simply not become replicas of 'South Korea' and 'Singapore' in a couple of decades like those states. I can guarantee you that if the barriers of western protectionism were removed for even SOMALIA, you would see that nation selling home built cars, trucks, and electronics to Europe and the west in 5-10 years. There is no magic to development. If a rich nation tells a poor nation ''we will buy all your wares at 600% of your costs'' the poor nation will stop its wars and division same day and start producing for export, because it is virtual free money! Afterall South Korea was locked in brutal dictatorship and corruption in the 50s before the west 'adopted' her. The west had even fought for her creation, protecting her against attacks from communist North Korea, Russia and China.

All Africa can hope for now is that the growing internal trade within the continent - which in itself is a function of rising incomes - is sustained long enough for big consumer markets to develop within the continent to help boost exports of African nations to one another. For instance the new Nissan plant being established in Nigeria could be a launch pad for exporting cars to the rest of Africa and the Middle East perhaps, and not least the Nigerian market itself. Seeking to do a ''South Korea'' today - by getting rich through exporting finished products to the west - is economically unfeasible, with western markets not only cornered by the Asian Tigers, but with slowing economic growth in the west making it a less and less attractive market for emerging economies.

Any Nigerian who had studied the regional governmental era in Nigeria before the Gowon’s blunders of 1967 will agree that regions had developmental pace within their capacity. Granted the power of unrestricted western market access is vital to Africa’s economy, it is imperative for the Africans to understand the power of internal diversity.

Please embark on exploratory research on Nestle because it has the largest cocoa farm in the world via Ivory Coast. Ivory Coast is the largest cocoa producer with Indonesia coming a distance second. Ghana remains a subsistent cocoa producer and has tropical clement and Cadbury partnership to thank for being mentioned in cocoa business in today's world. Cadbury is a typical British outfit and will continue the demonic practices of colonialism in Africa.

Africans have fundamental problem of always thinking that someone is responsible for their idiocy. I read there was a time Port Harcourt was a challenger to Lagos however certain group of Nigerians also made sure that Port Harcourt is politically destroyed by fanning ethnic enmity in the area.

abubaka101:
See this guy oo!
You mean to tell me that our local politics was what made us join the NAM! If I hear!!
They say "when two elephants fight, the grass suffers." In order for us to avoid being the grass, we chose to simply avoid the fate of the grass, by being on the safer side!
So you believe local politics like, NPC faults Census results, AG decries not having majority in the House, NCNC fear that they would be the minorities, Awolowo and Akintola are in conflict, etc, could cause Nigeria to simply join the NAM?! Guy you funny ooo!!

If not local politics, what was it then? Or do you mean to tell me that local politics did not factor into national politics that gave rise to the idiology, if any, adopted by the national government? Or are you insinuating Nigeria ran national governemnt without a defined political idiology on the international platform. When WWII ended, there was no Nigeria as independent republic. However, after it gained independence, Nigeria established its ministry of external affairs, was admitted into UN and ran its foreign policy. NAM was/is idiological movement which Nigeria adopted as part of its foreign policy.

DerideGull:

If not local politics, what was it then? Or do you mean to tell me that local politics did not factor into national politics that gave rise to the idiology, if any, adopted by the national government? Or are you insinuating Nigeria ran national governemnt without a defined political idiology on the international platform. When WWII ended, there was no Nigeria as independent republic. However, after it gained independence, Nigeria established its ministry of external affairs, was admitted into UN and ran its foreign policy. NAM was/is idiological movement which Nigeria adopted as part of its foreign policy.

Nigeria adopted a neutral philosophy unanimously, and the bolded text sums it up.

abubaka101:
Nigeria adopted a neutral philosophy unanimously, and the bolded text sums it up.

Now I suggest you desist from claiming NAM and unfounded threats of WWIII as a stumbling block on Nigeria’s path to progress. If you do not have it, you will never have it period. Nigeria, as currently configured, does not have it and will never have it.

DerideGull:

Now I suggest you desist from claiming NAM and unfounded threats of WWIII as a stumbling block on Nigeria’s path to progress. If you do not have it, you will never have it period. Nigeria, as currently configured, does not have it and will never have it.

I seriously do not get your point. But hear mine: Nigeria's national interest is what guides the formulation of our foreign policy. By adopting the NAM policy, they clearly avoided being used by either the US or the Soviet Union in their offensive against each other's ideology. This was necessary, because it became obvious that the Globe was large polarised by both ideologies, and NAM was the only way out!
This was why the US supported the gorilla fighting of a rebel group in the Southern African country of Namibia (or was it Mozambique, I've forgotten), either ways, I've made my point.

abubaka101:
I seriously do not get your point. But hear mine: Nigeria's national interest is what guides the formulation of our foreign policy. By adopting the NAM policy, they clearly avoided being used by either the US or the Soviet Union in their offensive against each other's ideology. This was necessary, because it became obvious that the Globe was large polarised by both ideologies, and NAM was the only way out!
This was why the US supported the gorilla fighting of a rebel group in the Southern African country of Namibia (or was it Mozambique, I've forgotten), either ways, I've made my point.

So we chose to be NAM and are still complaining South Korea was protected by the US hence its development. Did I miss anything
Why are we such cry babies, always whining, forever complaining instead of working hard and making the necessary sacrifices

ROSSIKE:
Sorry...You don't KNOW that. You terribly underestimate the power of unrestricted western market access, such as was granted the 4 Asian Tigers in the 50s. Look, even today, despite Ghana being the world's largest cocoa producer, she is still subject to massive tarriffs and market restrictions in trying to sell mere CHOCOLATE to the west. CHOCOLATE! Why do you think Ghana is not making billions a year from exporting manufactured chocolate which by right she should be doing? Why are Cadbury and Nestle chocolate giants and not some Ghana firm? Answer: Western protectionism. So is it when Ghana uses her minerals to manufacture electronics and cars that the west will open their markets?

Do you pull things out from your a.s.s?
You keep making up wild stories.

Tomorrow, you'll say Nigeria don't export finished petroleum products because of Western protectionism.

You keep saying unrestricted western market for Asian tigers, which countries (including other Asian countries) has America or Europeans restricted before from exporting to their countries?

Geez, you are really dumb, I tell ya.

anonimi:

So we chose to be NAM and are still complaining South Korea was protected by the US hence its development. Did I miss anything
Why are we such cry babies, always whining, forever complaining instead of working hard and making the necessary sacrifices

Bros this is the reason I have stopped to engage certain Nigerians in live debate. They shout upon their lungs and do not realize their logic is against the premise of their plank. Just like the confused dude that seems to blame South Korea for embracing the USA and its allies policies while attempting to absolve Nigeria’s stupidity in embracing NAM as cornerstone of its foreign policy.

anonimi:

So we chose to be NAM and are still complaining South Korea was protected by the US hence its development. Did I miss anything
Why are we such cry babies, always whining, forever complaining instead of working hard and making the necessary sacrifices

All what you say is true, but you are not getting my point!
US support for South Korea is so entrenched in the South Korean foreign interest... If both nations hadn't developed such bond a long time ago, they wouldn't have been able to achieve this development. However, back in the 1960s, you really can't blame Nigeria and others for not joining the Capitalist bloc, because we did our best to stir clear any negative interaction in the international community. Plus, like I said earlier, the North is ready to takeover the South even right now, if not for US support and logistics. So you see that this is a bit of a win-win situation.
So claiming that we blew our chances is quit silly, with all due respect. Because China grew "inside-out" and not the other way round, and we can learn from this. But there are people in power who are too stupid to think to this extent. That's why I recommend the Spanish system of making regions autonomous.

It baffles me how so called educated Nigerians keep twisting issues to explain away why we haven't developed.

Some even claimed that America gave the 4 Asian Tigers unrestricted access to their market yet they fail to explain or list countries restricted by America. Just because the Asian Tigers succeeded in exporting to America and developed their economies, it means America gave them preferential treatment. Maybe America just removed 'restrictions' they placed on China, India, Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc that have flooded American markets and gave them a new round of preferential treatment.

Now this goon ROSSIKE is claiming Ghana is restricted from exporting finished cocoa product. If America and Europeans restricted them, did Africans restrict them as well? Could it be that Ghana simply lack the capacity to produce commercial quantities of Chocolate?

Who knew we will ever be exporting cement? Thanks to Dangote for developing that capacity for Nigeria.
If Innoson vehicles meet American standards tomorrow (which is standard in every country. You must meet their standard to sell your product. Even NAFDAC has it) and start exporting to North America, ROSSIKE will come here and tell us America just removed restriction on us.

This is African mentality, always looking for ways to explain away our ineptitude and when challenged, will resort to abuses to cover their cluelessness.

abubaka101:
All what you say is true, but you are not getting my point!
US support for South Korea is so entrenched in the South Korean foreign interest... If both nations hadn't developed such bond a long time ago, they wouldn't have been able to achieve this development.

I already showed the LIE in the bold part in my earlier post here:

https://www.nairaland.com/1575731/south-korea-1964-few-years/2#20597226

A farmer who eats all his harvest (cannot sacrifice/ fast/ suffer long) will have nothing to sow in the next planting season HENCE continue to be a beggar to his other fellow farmers. He cannot even develop as he has consigned himself to the status of a beggar nation.
I hope that is something simple enough for you to understand.

The current effort by some posters to twist and ridicule facts to justify why South Korea developed and Nigeria did not develop despite oil wealth, Agricultural potential and the so called Free Education (Free Education Awolowo offered to yourbas ) can only be described as laughable and huge attempt to justify an unworkable entity called Nigeria.

DerideGull:


Bros this is the reason I have stopped to engage certain Nigerians in live debate. They shout upon their lungs and do not realize their logic is against the premise of their plank. Just like the confused dude that seems to blame South Korea for embracing the USA and its allies policies while attempting to absolve Nigeria’s stupidity in embracing NAM as cornerstone of its foreign policy.

With the NAM policy, both the Capitalist West and Communist East where actively trading with Nigeria. Before the civil war, Soviet seemed to be trading with Nigeria better than The West, but the British couldn't allow them so much influence in Nigeria, so they increased partnership with Nigeria during the Civil War. If not for this policy, they could have destroyed this country just to get greater influence.
In my argument, I never for once mentioned a politician's name, a govt official's name or a political party. Because everyone pitched in to carefully determine our foreign objectives, so as not to make a nuisance of themselves in the international community. Internal politics didn't derail them. So if you consider this move as stupid, well I don't like insulting people, so I'll leave that.
For Nigeria to grow immensely, it doesn't really take much. Policymakers recommend should ban the importation of certain goods like cloths, rice, cars, etc. If Nigeria can start producing for home use and exportation, infant industries would develop.
The govt should tackle corruption. No nation can develop under such high corruption indices.
Make each region autonomous to an extent.
Use realistic policies to attract investors. If the Ministry of Planning keeps shouting about how much trillions is needed to launch the nation into the 21st century, nobody would invest. let them come up with realistic mainly short-term and medium-term policies.
Education. History should be compulsory in all levels. Because any citizen that is well groomed about his past, and how they relate with his present, is not too far from being innovative and patriotic.
God help Nigeria and Nigerians.

Obiagu1: It baffles me how so called educated Nigerians keep twisting issues to explain away why we haven't developed.

Some even claimed that America gave the 4 Asian Tigers unrestricted access to their market yet they fail to explain or list countries restricted by America. Just because the Asian Tigers succeeded in exporting to America and developed their economies, it means America gave them preferential treatment. Maybe America just removed 'restrictions' they placed on China, India, Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc that have flooded American markets and gave them a new round of preferential treatment.

Now this goon ROSSIKE is claiming Ghana is restricted from exporting finished cocoa product. If America and Europeans restricted them, did Africans restrict them as well? Could it be that Ghana simply lack the capacity to produce commercial quantities of Chocolate?

Who knew we will ever be exporting cement? Thanks to Dangote for developing that capacity for Nigeria.
If Innoson vehicles meet American standards tomorrow (which is standard in every country. You must meet their standard to sell your product. Even NAFDAC has it) and start exporting to North America, ROSSIKE will come here and tell us America just removed restriction on us.

This is African mentality, always looking for ways to explain away our ineptitude and when challenged, will resort to abuses to cover their cluelessness.

From my angle, I am not arguing or justifying why Nigeria isn't well developed. I am arguing that comparing South Korea to Nigeria, is an unfavourable comparison. Given the benefits and support, homogeneous nature, lesser population and religious acceptance that South Korea possesses, Nigeria is everything opposite. We are younger, multi-religious, multi-ethnic, and very populous!!!
And if you compare Liberia sef that was colonized by the US itself, then you will understand that some dynamics do take place in order for a nation to attain development level.
So I advise that you guys discuss this based on the truth not sentiments and insults.

anonimi:

I already showed the LIE in the bold part in my earlier post here:

https://www.nairaland.com/1575731/south-korea-1964-few-years/2#20597226

A farmer who eats all his harvest (cannot sacrifice/ fast/ suffer long) will have nothing to sow in the next planting season HENCE continue to be a beggar to his other fellow farmers. He cannot even develop as he has consigned himself to the status of a beggar nation.
I hope that is something simple enough for you to understand.

What is a conglomerate? It is capitalism in its full form. With it, Volkswagen could buy and control Lambourgini, Porshe, Audi, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Bugatti. the only way South Korea could develop to be an economic force was via the US. Samsung and Sony changed the face of Korean and Japanese exportation, by improving themselves.
You simply believe that what you quoted is actually genuine? Then my guy you don't know how much influence and integration the US has with Korea.

abubaka101:
From my angle, I am not arguing or justifying why Nigeria isn't well developed. I am arguing that comparing South Korea to Nigeria, is an unfavourable comparison. Given the benefits and support, homogeneous nature, lesser population and religious acceptance that South Korea possesses, Nigeria is everything opposite. We are younger, multi-religious, multi-ethnic, and very populous!!!
And if you compare Liberia sef that was colonized by the US itself, then you will understand that some dynamics do take place in order for a nation to attain development level.
So I advise that you guys discuss this based on the truth not sentiments and insults.

First of all, you should remove benefits and support you gave as the reason South Korea developed. South Korea did not receive any special support. Most countries received foreign aid and many are still getting it till date. South Koreans developed because they challenged themselves using Japan as their guide. Everything they did was their effort.
What greater 'aid' would petroleum be for South Koreans if they have it in abundance like Nigeria?

When you talk about homogeneous society they have, then you have a point. That gave them peace and no one was trying to hinder other regions with different ethnicity because they didn't want to be left behind. This is the more reason Nigeria should divide or at least become a confederation with autonomous regions.

Lesser population? That's a clear disadvantage. Most great nations have large populations.

Religion? Yes that contributed. Another reason we should go our ways because religious intolerance will not stop.

When you say we are younger, then you are trying desperately to justify our backwardness. Yes we are slightly younger but by 1962, both countries had the same GDP per capita.

Or Development Economics

ROSSIKE: WHAT A LOAD OF DUMBED DOWN GARBAGE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION YOU SHALLOW, NON-RESEARCHING SELF LOATHERS, THE ONLY REASON, REPEAT: THE ONLY REASON South Korea is a developed nation today is that after WW2, the victorious western allies led by the US decided to create STRONG CAPITALIST BULWARKS to checkmate the spread of COMMUNISM in the Asia Pacific. This they did by CHOOSING a specific set of Pacific nations in the 1950s to which they granted UNPRECEDENTED FINANCIAL, TECHNOLOGICAL, AND ECONOMIC SUPPORT INCLUDING, MOST IMPORTANTLY, UNLIMITED ACCESS TO WESTERN MARKETS FOR THEIR FINISHED PRODUCTS.

THE RESULT? By the 1980s, THOSE CHOSEN STATES HAD BECOME THE 'TIGER ECONOMIES' OF ASIA.

WITHOUT THOSE WESTERN INCENTIVES, ESPECIALLY UNRESTRICTED MARKET ACCESS (UNRECEIVED BY ANY AFRICAN STATE IN MODERN HISTORY) SOUTH KOREA WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT FROM ITS ASIAN NEIGHBOURS WHICH WERE NOT CHOSEN - Burma, Nepal, North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Bhutan, East Timor, Papua New Guinea and others.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN POSTING THESE SILLY PICTURES COMPARING NIGERIA AND SOUTH KOREA. BETTER YET, LEARN TO READ THE HISTORY OF DEVELOPMENT OF NATIONS BEFORE DRAWING LAZY CONCLUSIONS BASED ON LACK OF RESEARCH.

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