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Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by 4nobody4every1: 7:02am On May 03, 2016 |
jaybee3:True, 1 Like |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by freecocoa(f): 10:21am On May 03, 2016 |
jaybee3:When it only just got more interesting? Them say Tbillz is suing Tiwa for defamation of character. This is one case wey go make sense. |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Bolade005: 11:09am On May 03, 2016 |
freecocoa:He is a joker. |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by sebod(m): 12:41pm On May 03, 2016 |
bellong:If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? Nice write up! 1 Like |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by crackhaus: 1:04pm On May 03, 2016 |
oyb:Yes oo, can't wait for Carolyna Hutchings to divorce that her billionaire sugar uncle... It's about time she and I take our matter to second-base, she keeps telling me she's married and that I should be patient Can't wait forever mehn 1 Like
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Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Nobody: 1:10pm On May 03, 2016 |
crackhaus: Dey there - Tbillz of the magic honey emitting stick is on the case. 2 Likes |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by crackhaus: 1:18pm On May 03, 2016 |
oyb:Tbillz likes his women dark-complexioned |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by 4nobody4every1: 3:30pm On May 03, 2016 |
sebod:The righteous can pray |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by 4nobody4every1: 3:33pm On May 03, 2016 |
crackhaus:No dull moments on Nairaland, buhahahahaha
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Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by onegig(m): 5:38am On May 07, 2016 |
bellong: The bolded. Simple. Ego, selfishness is the bane of most marriages now. What do I get is the recurring questions and not what do i bring to the table or sacrifice? What do i know sef? |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Kimoni: 7:18pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
I read the article below and I thought it was an interesting one. What caught my interest most are the words of the professor. It kept me pondering deeply on my current beliefs and I am asking myself if he is indeed correct about his postulations. A lot of us, including myself have always believed and I've heard it a lot from peeps on this forum that men and women are naturally created for specific roles e.g women are natural nurturers, men are natural providers/protectors etc But having read this article, I ask myself again, is it really true? Could it be that we think we are naturally good at some specific roles because culturally and historically, our minds have been programmed into believing that we should be better at some roles than the opposite sex and so we evolve in that direction? The words of this professor challenges this "myth" and I want to know if I am the only one questioning my current beliefs. Does this professor's words challenges the "norm" in any way? (Pls keep an open mind to this, don't respond with any mindset). My question is - do you agree with the professor? Or is there any element of truth/fact in his assertion? That there isn't any limitation to what we are naturally good at if only we can disbelieve our current beliefs about gender roles? Ivory Coast professor Honore Kahi, who was pictured carrying a student's baby on his back in class said being a mother should not stop women getting an education, BBC reports.Source: BBC http://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2016/06/ivorien-professor-pictured-backing.html#more |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by 5minsmadness: 1:10am On Jul 26, 2016 |
Bump. 1 Like |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by thorpido(m): 9:40am On Jul 26, 2016 |
Kimoni:There are actually anatomical and chemical differences between the male brain and the female brain.Also there are differences in hormones in the male and female which obviously affects response to information and the environment. For instance,it's been found that the female brain has much more interconnectivity in its electrical wiring in comparison to the male which might explain why women are better in multi-tasking than men.There's no doubt that culture plays a role in perception and orientation but even then some of the cultures were developed by observation of lifestyle. In the home,there should be flexibility and either sex can take up roles especially when there is a need for it but no doubt,a particular sex generally speaking will do a task better than the other. 4 Likes |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Kimoni: 8:27pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
thorpido: Thanks Thorpido. My next question would be: how much of these anatomical and chemical differences account for gender differences vs the role of cultural and historical factors. If you call it a thesis question, I'll agree with you perfectly |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by thorpido(m): 10:40pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
Kimoni:Serious thesis.How do I go about this research? |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by TV01(m): 11:15pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
Kimoni:Hi Kim, I would think most of the difference is due to the anatomy, physiology, endocrinal and hormonal differences. It's stamped into every cell of the body, and the differences start to become apparent as early as 4 months old - noting that kids do very littler before then anyway . It influences mood, perception, response everything, even if the difference is subtle or nuanced. Left alone men and women would naturally fall into general specifications. Indeed, even when fully liberated and given the choice, they still tend to. Ask Timbuktou, he's done the research . I believe cultural and historical (social) factors tend to re-inforce the biological imperatives. There will be outliers, and there will always be exceptions, but generally speaking we act out norms, and true to types. I am raising a boy and a girl and the difference is clear. Even with what I always understood, I still found it quite startling. it I would add, that in a way, that's the whole point. Human beings are sexually dimorphous for a reason. Naturally, men and women come together to bond and form families. The differences are perfectly complimentary. "Male and female made He them". How far? TV |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Nobody: 10:25am On Jul 27, 2016 |
Well said Thorpido and TV01. KimKim, like TV said, culture is mostly a product of nature. History is a product of culture. The defined gender roles are largely the same worldwide and across millenia, that says a lot. A lot. Our ancestors did not see the need to engineer society and waste their time on irrelevant and, quite frankly, backward and regressive practices (which is what feminism and the gender equality campaign is). It seems the old folks practised specialisation and division of labour. It is quite interesting to see how the feminism/GE dynamic is playing out. With the free-the-tips (I actualy wrote tips, not nipplès ), break-the-urinals movements and the gender bending and fluidity all running rampage, a thinking mind should know where the blame lies. It was particularly interesting and satisfying to come across women protesting a man (well, he identified as a woman), using the female bathroom at an event in the US. . Social engineering has never worked, it will not begin to work now. 3 Likes |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Kimoni: 9:51pm On Jul 28, 2016 |
TV01 and Timbuktou, if I get you right, you say that culture only re-enforces the biological/scientific/hormonal differences in the different genders even though there are and will always be outliers. And to prove this, babies naturally exhibit their gender attributes as they grow without being told to do so. hmnnnnnnn But what's your take on the Prof's comment that one does not have to confine oneself to the expectations of his/her gender. To him, it's probably more of a mind thing. And yes, I'm a firm believer in the power of the mind. Question is:Even if science/culture/hormone/anatomy etc expects me to behave in some way due to my gender, can I possibly deviate from it if I work on my mind? |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Kimoni: 9:54pm On Jul 28, 2016 |
thorpido: I will award you a doctorate degree if you try so you become Double Dr Thorpido Nobody else that title o |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by TV01(m): 10:47pm On Jul 28, 2016 |
Kimoni:It sounds like you are not convinced by our postulations Tim abeg, re-present the data you had about our liberated Swedish sisters na . To progress my point further, I might add that I actually believe the vast majority of males and females have to conform to these biologically driven norms for society to flourish. So that does give leave for some outliers. And some are outliers naturally. Those who are intersex for example, or those physically or mentally incapable of forming pair-bonds etc. Kimoni:Taking a construct - or reconstruct - the physical creation according to desires, against a build constructs on the basis of biological imperatives (essentially the opposite, and my position) approach? What scenarios does this present us with? More below... Kimoni:It depends how you mean? If you mean that as a woman you should have the chance to join the elite marine corps by passing the exact same requirements as laid down for men. Or a man must not be sneered at if he pursues a career as a nanny, why not? I think there are potential balance and harmony problems even with this type of "equality", but I'm happy for equal opportunity. And, if, over time, most settle into the natural norms of the vast majority as I detailed above, no problem. Although I see instances where this is not the case and proving deleterious. But on the far extreme the story is somewhat different. It leaves us with men claiming they are women and undergoing degrees, or a mix of surgical intervention and and therapeutic treatment, whereby they become "transwomen". But insist that socially and legally they are real women and must be treated as such. And things as basic as language, what we understand as marriage, sporting divisions, restroom use etc. must all change to accommodate these now "legitimate constructs". There is also the potential for tension and conflict between those who agree and those who don't. Culture wars. It means that desires considered a result of a mental disorder, are now considered legitimate, hence morally right and pursuable - check out Body Integrity Identity Disorders. TV 1 Like |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by An0nimus: 10:51pm On Jul 28, 2016 |
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Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Nobody: 4:53am On Jul 29, 2016 |
Kimoni:Righto. That's just playing to the gallery. I don't see how playing to your strengths is confining oneself to expectations. Sure, you could attempt to reinvent the wheel but it woyld be unnecessary. The power of the mind won't make Mourinho coach like Guardiola. Question is:Even if science/culture/hormone/anatomy etc expects me to behave in some way due to my gender, can I possibly deviate from it if I work on my mind?Could you store books in a refrigerator? Sure. But that's a waste of its design and potential. You could have traded it with someone who had a bookcase and needed a fridge. |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Nobody: 4:59am On Jul 29, 2016 |
Kimoni, please read:
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Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Nobody: 5:01am On Jul 29, 2016 |
Sweden and the other Nordic nations always seem to lead the rankings of the world’s best countries for women. (Canada is lucky to crack the top 20.) So they’re an ideal laboratory for finding out what women really want. What choices will women make when the playing field is as level as social policy can make it? |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Nobody: 5:03am On Jul 29, 2016 |
Women do make up 25 per cent of Swedish corporate boards, but only because of quotas. The greatest concentration of senior managers, CEOs and other highly paid power women isn’t in Scandinavia. It’s here in North America, where working women’s lives are much tougher. |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Nobody: 5:04am On Jul 29, 2016 |
In any event, only a small proportion of Nordic women choose to work as managers and professionals. Most choose lower-paid, highly gender-segregated work.[b] As Alison Wolf has written in her excellent book The XX Factor , Scandinavian countries “hold the record for gender segregation because they have gone the furthest in outsourcing traditional female activities and turning unpaid home-based ‘caring’ into formal employment.” |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Nobody: 5:06am On Jul 29, 2016 |
Here’s an even more alarming possibility. What if people in the most developed countries are inclined to express greater gender differences, not less? Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/do-women-really-have-it-better-in-sweden/article15552596/ 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by thorpido(m): 7:11am On Jul 29, 2016 |
Kimoni:Ha,that's a noble prize winning research. You should be convinced by Timbuktou's article and TV01's comments. |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by 5minsmadness: 11:48am On Jul 29, 2016 |
Wait... Are they thinking.... Could they be considering the possibility that a woman would feel much better accepting that she is a woman and a man would feel much better accepting he is a man? Hahahahahaha AAaahahahahaha How absurd 1 Like |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Kimoni: 10:10pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
Pls permit me to laugh @ all the side comments Meanwhile, anonimus, you sound like a mischief maker. Why are you calling Pickabeau |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Kimoni: 10:43pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
Timbuktou, this research work is priceless to me and I'll def. read up more on it. It sorts of negate what I am trying to establish here and proves what you all are saying that from childhood, we tend to naturally align to our gender expectations due to circumstances beyond us eg biological, hormonal etc however there will always be outliers. The case of Sweden vs North America is very interesting and it would be interesting to know if there are more reasons why Swedish women have turned out this way. But then, If we decide to call the exceptional ones "outliers" which I am fine with, do we have a chance of increasing these "outliers" if we work on their mental power? Or upbringing maybe? #justmethinkingloud Again, this post from TV sorts of capture what's going on in my head. TV: "If you mean that as a woman you should have the chance to join the elite marine corps by passing the exact same requirements as laid down for men. Or a man must not be sneered at if he pursues a career as a nanny, why not? I think there are potential balance and harmony problems even with this type of "equality", but I'm happy for equal opportunity". However, I disagree with this: TV: "And, if, over time, most settle into the natural norms of the vast majority as I detailed above, no problem". There is problem o TV, it's going to create inefficiencies in the system. We could as well maintain status quo if after all the previledges, we are all still going to end up as daycare givers |
Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by Nobody: 11:08pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
Kimoni: Swedish women are that way because that's how safe women behave. By safe, I mean, provided for, protected and a guarantee of a future for their offspring. Also, I see you're taking the piss with your fantasising. Wetin you wan use outliers do? . I'm a little sleepy now, so I'll just leave you with my response on the concept of work to some comment on another thread. [b]Well, it also hinders and slows men's careers too, though, it could be a catalyst for career advancement as he'll work harder. Furthermore, the difference between husbands and wives in the work force is needs versus wants. Most men because they need to, most women work because they want to. Yes, there are women who work out of need but only because their husbands cannot afford them a decent lifestyle or that lifestyle they desire. If a woman works not because of need but desire, it would make sense to take a less-demanding job. It is the height of vanity for a woman to work a job that deprives her quality home time just because she "went to school". Did you go to school to slave at a job brainlessly or to increase your opportunity for better living? There's a reason why married men are the most dependable employees. Most men work jobs they hate because the alternative is a drop in living standards and even hunger. That women have to sacrifice their dreams to run their homes is not oppression, or discrimination or man's-worldism. It is common sense and pragmatism. The dreams of billions of men died the day they had families. It cuts both ways. Unless a man is unhappy in his home and marriage, I doubt he would choose having a job that takes him away from home and one that affords him quality time with family. The difference in how men handle their roles in life and how women handle theirs is acceptance of fate. We have resigned ourselves to our provisioning role. That is what we do. You, women need to accept yours. As my posts on Page1 illustrate, women in Sweden do the barest minimum when the basics are covered. Na so life be.[/b] https://www.nairaland.com/3222060/women-arent-getting-promotion-because/2#47544566 4 Likes 2 Shares |
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