Cristalz:

Think Job.  .  .there was nothing super-human about him. Remember all you need is one as small as a mustard seed Alternative solutions always seem appealing,but the effects are not nearly as long-lasting as when you get God's help.

This is part of the reasons the Bible teaches faith.  .  .

Do you know that  at a stage, even  john the baptist was looking for an alternative solution.
when he was locked up in the prison and help was not forthcoming, he sent his disciples to ask Jesus whether he was truly the messiah or he should expect another? in other words, if Jesus was the messiah, he ought to have saved him but he didn't. so, nobody is immune to alternative solution when the chips are really, really down.

@helpee

No dearie, Jesus wasn't talking about how fast the seed grows. He was talking about just having some faith,no matter how little. Then to emphasize his point he used the mustard seed as an example.  .  . Of course he doesn't expect your faith to remain stagnant like that and not grow,but he at least expects you to have a start,even if that start's as little as a mustard seed.

Seems you've become quite cynical regarding your faith.  .  .did anything happen to you to cause this? Or to someone you know?

As for John the Baptist,his time had come.Remember why he came to the world in the first place.  .  .as a fore-runner for Christ. He came,and did that which he was sent to do. When it was his time to depart, Jesus didn't save him because he knew it was his time. Sometimes some things are just meant to be that are for our eventual good,but we don't always realize it. That's why you've gotta trust God and have faith because He sees the big picture.

If Jesus had saved John,only for John to get out of prison to a terrible life or something similar,wouldn't he have blamed God? Same way Jesus could have saved himself from the cross,but he didn't because he knew that was what he had to do.  .  .his purpose.

Nobody is immune to considering alternatives,afterall we're all human,but no matter how tempting an alternative solution might be,as long as you're still in touch with God,just hold on and have faith because he definitely won't leave you hanging. His solution,when it comes,will be much better and much more fulfilling than any solution the best alternative could give ya.

Interesting story.

Then your question should be about consulting astrologers,not herbalists. Therez a big difference between both. And the way you go about asking your question shouldn't be in an attacking manner.

Have you considered the fact that this woman predicting your future doesn't actually mean she made it happen? The event was there.She saw it.This your story is not ''alternative means''. You didn't go to her to ask for a solution to a problem ; she just happened to make an accurate prediction. What if twaz a pastor that had told you same,would you have started this thread? Just a thot

And isn't it possible your win was God's way of answering your prayer? You were just told about the event by an astrologer,who might've even been a christian

There are way too many probabilities here for this to be your basis for being cynical. So i don't think you should start questioning faith now when you're not even in a relationship with God(you said you're still trying to find him). You haven't experienced the way God works and already you're in doubt. This attitude won't help you find him dearie,that is,if you're still interested in seeking.

God makes things happen. . . your friend simply saw what was gon' happen. Who's bigger? Have some faith.

Cristalz:

Interesting story.

Then your question should be about consulting astrologers,not herbalists. Therez a big difference between both. And the way you go about asking your question shouldn't be in an attacking manner.

Have you considered the fact that this woman predicting your future doesn't actually mean she made it happen? The event was there.She saw it.This your story is not ''alternative means''. You didn't go to her to ask for a solution to a problem ; she just happened to make an accurate prediction. What if twaz a pastor that had told you same,would you have started this thread? Just a thot

And isn't it possible your win was God's way of answering your prayer? You were just told about the event by anastrologer,who might've even been a christian

There are way too many probabilities here for this to be your basis for being cynical. So i don't think you should start questioning faith now when you're not even in a relationship with God(you said you're still trying to find him). You haven't experienced the way God works and already you're in doubt. This attitude won't help you find him dearie,that is,if you're still interested in seeking.

God makes things happen. . . your friend simply saw what was gon' happen. Who's bigger? Have some faith.

you said exactly what i was expecting you to say.
the woman did exactly what a herbalist would do.
herbalist tend to consult their gods to see what is about to happen and most times they are more accurate than most of our so called pastors. they also consult their gods to know the remedy if something bad is on the way.
so, probably they too are not anti-God. they only predict what God is about to do

@helpee

What about herbalists that give solutions that involve killing one person to make another person happy? Or those that say,make him blind or make her mad,and your problems will be solved? You believe those are from God?

A true pastor would never give you a solution that involves harming another. And,i didn't say you should consult a pastor anyway. . .i'm telling you to go directly to God himself. . .he has his ways of giving you answers,either thru people,the Bible,or the Holy Spirit. You don't have to go consult any human being for answers. Just ask God,and he'll send the human to you.

Not sure if you've written what you meant. Your Abraham comment meant you're probably thinking of an alternative solution.

Look, there's no problem with consulting a herbalist, just make sure it's a qualified herbalist. One of the main criticism of herbal solutions is the issue of dosage; if that can be correctly managed, then you should be fine. The other popular alternative solution is using Western Medicine; these too have side effects. Take Abraham, for example, he was old before he got Ishmael and later Isaac; were herbs available, he could've used them; burantashi could have been useful, Viagra, may be, and perhaps some nutritional supplements. How could God have been pissed with that?? God made humans; God made the herbs; should man synthesise the herbs for improved health, why should God be displeased? Forget it; herbs are fine, and a good herbalist is a blessing.

Now, did you mean something other than a herbalist? In case there's any confusion about who a herbalist is, here's a definition from www.dictionary.com :

dictionary results for: herbalist
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
herb·al·ist       /ˈhɜrbəlɪst, ˈɜr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hur-buh-list, ur-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person who collects or deals in herbs, esp. medicinal herbs. 
2. herb doctor. 
3. an author of an herbal. 
4. (formerly) a botanist. 
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[Origin: 1585–95; herbal + -ist]

herb·al·ist       (ûr'bə-lĭst, hûr'-)  Pronunciation Key 
n.   
One who grows, collects, or specializes in the use of herbs, especially medicinal herbs.
See herb doctor.

Cristalz:

@helpee

What about herbalists that give solutions that involve killing one person to make another person happy? Or those that say,make him blind or make her mad,and your problems will be solved? You believe those are from God?

A true pastor would never give you a solution that involves harming another. And,i didn't say you should consult a pastor anyway.  .  .i'm telling you to go directly to God himself.  .  .he has his ways of giving you answers,either through people,the Bible,or the Holy Spirit. You don't have to go consult any human being for answers. Just ask God,and he'll send the human to you.

what about those that give solutions that don't involve killing.
do you know that some pastors tell people that their mother is the source of their problem and they will start praying that the poor woman should die

And are you also aware there are things that could hinder God answering you? That's why initially i said as long as you've got a relationship with God and you're in-line with his word,you've got nothing to worry about. Delay is not denial.

As for pastors pointing out mothers as problem sources, isn't it true in some cases? And when that happens,the pastors don't pray for the mother to die. What they tell the person is, ''bring your mother here so i can pray for her,or let me come to your house to pray for her''.

C'mon,be honest here.

Nimshi:

Not sure if you've written what you meant. Your Abraham comment meant you're probably thinking of an alternative solution.

Look, there's no problem with consulting a herbalist, just make sure it's a qualified herbalist. One of the main criticism of herbal solutions is the issue of dosage; if that can be correctly managed, then you should be fine. The other popular alternative solution is using Western Medicine; these too have side effects. Take Abraham, for example, he was old before he got Ishmael and later Isaac; were herbs available, he could've used them; burantashi could have been useful, Viagra, may be, and perhaps some nutritional supplements. How could God have been pissed with that?? God made humans; God made the herbs; should man synthesise the herbs for improved health, why should God be displeased? Forget it; herbs are fine, and a good herbalist is a blessing.

Now, did you mean something other than a herbalist? In case there's any confusion about who a herbalist is, here's a definition from www.dictionary.com :

dictionary results for: herbalist
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
herb·al·ist       /ˈhɜrbəlɪst, ˈɜr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hur-buh-list, ur-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person who collects or deals in herbs, esp. medicinal herbs. 
2. herb doctor. 
3. an author of an herbal. 
4. (formerly) a botanist. 
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[Origin: 1585–95; herbal + -ist]

herb·al·ist       (ûr'bə-lĭst, hûr'-)  Pronunciation Key 
n.   
One who grows, collects, or specializes in the use of herbs, especially medicinal herbs.
See herb doctor.

YES I MEAN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION.
BUT THE HERBALIST I AM TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT JUST BOTANIST, I MEAN ORACLE PRIEST, ALFAS, ASTROLOGERS, TRADITIONAL WORSHIPERS. WHY DO WE HAVE SO MANY IMPORTANT PERSONALITIES ON OKIJA SHRINE REGISTER IF OUR PASTORS ARE REALLY DOING THEIR WORK. SO IS IT A SIN IF YOU CONSULT THEM AS LONG AS YOU DON'T KILL OR HARM ANYBODY

Cristalz:

And are you also aware there are things that could hinder God answering you? That's why initially i said as long as you've got a relationship with God and you're in-line with his word,you've got nothing to worry about. Delay is not denial.

As for pastors pointing out mothers as problem sources, isn't it true in some cases? And when that happens,the pastors don't pray for the mother to die. What they tell the person is, ''bring your mother here so i can pray for her,or let me come to your house to pray for her''.

C'mon,be honest here.

my sweet angel, i dont agree with you on this one. Have you been to MFM? they don't take nonsense. they will kill that mother before you even have the opportunity to challenge her

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helpee:

my sweet angel, i don't agree with you on this one. Have you been to MFM? they don't take nonsense. they will kill that mother before you even have the opportunity to challenge her

LOL  

You're not serious That's MFM.  .  .besides i don't think they fully realize the implication of their killer prayers.

Anyway,Christianity teaches forgiveness and reconciliation. Jesus came for the very same people your herbalists are killing/ trying to kill. So i don't see why one should consider them as alternatives when they give you options that cannot in any way be from God.

Aww.  .  .your story's really touching

When i hear stories like these i actually don't know what to say because i can't give you a reason why things happened the way they did. I mean,''why do bad things happen to good people'' is a question that will forever keep being asked.
But like i said,God still sees the big picture.  .  .and if after everything you still remain strong in faith and do not stray,i believe he won't let you go unrewarded.

Another angle tho is,there are some things that you should take care of yourself.Things that God won't come down to do for you. Like your hospital now.  .  .what kind of problems did you run into? Financial? Ethical? You know problems don't just land.  .  .its a gradual thing.

Are you sure you ran the place wholly with God's guidance? You didn't make some slip-ups? because sometimes humans mess up,do things our own way,and when everything comes crashing we blame God when we didn't even give him a chance to help.

Question: If God Refuses To Answer Your Prayers And You Consult Herbalist, Is It A Sin?

Kai! U guys in this religious section make me to laugh day by day.
No be only herbalist, na babalawo you go consult.
hahahahahaha

Cristalz:

LOL  

You're not serious That's MFM.  .  .besides i don't think they fully realize the implication of their killer prayers.

Anyway,Christianity teaches forgiveness and reconciliation. Jesus came for the very same people your herbalists are killing/ trying to kill. So i don't see why one should consider them as alternatives when they give you options that cannot in any way be from God.

Aww.  .  .your story's really touching

When i hear stories like these i actually don't know what to say because i can't give you a reason why things happened the way they did. I mean,''why do bad things happen to good people'' is a question that will forever keep being asked.
But like i said,God still sees the big picture.  .  .and if after everything you still remain strong in faith and do not stray,i believe he won't let you go unrewarded.

Another angle tho is,there are some things that you should take care of yourself.Things that God won't come down to do for you. Like your hospital now.  .  .what kind of problems did you run into? Financial? Ethical? You know problems don't just land.  .  .its a gradual thing.

Are you sure you ran the place wholly with God's guidance? You didn't make some slip-ups? because sometimes humans mess up,do things our own way,and when everything comes crashing we blame God when we didn't even give him a chance to help.

This time you speak with a lot of wisdom.
i was not perfect. i was young but very smart and well trained in the art of medicine and knows the rudiment of the business. but the problem that came was beyond me and nope, i tried my best to manage the place.
what i dont know is this; could things have been different had i listened to those oracle priests and cele pastors?

one thing i also know is this, people dont run into problem because they made mistakes but because they dont have enough help both physical and spiritual. so tell me, did i make a right decision by not heeding those herbalist?