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Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by brownlord: 11:58pm On Jul 02, 2014 |
shymexx: Which academic source are you talking about? The one done by illiterates Yoruba historians who knows nothing or probably never visited Benin? Ododuwa did not fall from the sky as you are made to believe, you of all people should not buy into that myth. 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 11:58pm On Jul 02, 2014 |
Sweetlemon: One question please.Madam, this is not about claiming people or land No Yoruba here is claiming Bini but we only want to get the history straight...we are brothers and every Edo and Yoruba should know little bits of the history |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by brownlord: 12:06am On Jul 03, 2014 |
macof: He sent a word to his father, that is time for him to ascend throne, and the father also replied him by sending native chalk and salt to him saying "just as you are enjoying life, same with me" It's true Oba does not see the heir to the throne, but the jinx have been broken now, the crown prince and the present Oba did that I think in 2012 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 12:15am On Jul 03, 2014 |
crackhaus: OMG! all lies....the bold is a complete lie from your father the Devil Bini didn't become anything worth an empire until Ewuare the Great in 15th century...all these things you mentioned were achieved by Oba and not Ogiso Btw Togo, Benin was never ruled by Bini empire...I know Bini had clashes with Ashanti as did Oyo. Oyo actually defeated Ashanti in several battles as assistance to her colony Dahomey. Cotonou, porto novo, idasa, quidah etc. in Benin were controlled by Oyo Porto novo is called Ajase in Yoruba and it was established by Oyo traders and Dahomeans Eko was never, I repeat never Under Bini empire...I don't know where you people get this from No lagosian in Lagos island would tell u Eko is Bini Eko was a farmland for Awori who invited Ashipa to camp and protect their interest with his army Oba of Lagos owns no land in the whole Lagos state...Oba Ado's only property is the palace built for him by the Awori on their farm 4 Likes |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 12:22am On Jul 03, 2014 |
9jacrip: Fact: heads of Benin Kings have been buried in Ile-Ife since Eweka till the colonialist took a strong hold and it was stopped - the last 2 Benin Kings were buried in Benin with their complete parts. True talk. Many don't just give a damn about history they just argue rubbish here on nairaland and even on the street.. Funny thing is these Bini supremacist don't know the smallest of Yoruba history And their Oba is distorting history It started from his father akensua who was uncomfortable with Ooni being his head in the old western region. What did he expect?? Nigerian politics has destroyed our people 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 12:24am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Sweetlemon: We claim because we know what we share Thank God isekiri are beginning to rediscover their bond with their brothers |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 12:51am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Ife was never a small village...are u insane?? Ife has been the greatest city in the region far of more economic and military prowess than Ogiso's Igodomigodo. Btw I never said Ogiso were under Ooni, I said Oba of Benin was under ooni...ooni gave him permission to rule. It was Ooni that sent Oranmiyan to Bini, it was Oranmiyan that set the foundation for Obaship that Eweka 1 continued did igodo chiefs not pledge allegiance to Olofin Adimula, known as Ogene Uhe to Bini Does the Benin not have a praise to Adimula in the complete Eulogy of the Omo n'oba? Did Ife not teach Bini bronze casting? You should know that there are 13 obas in Ife till today and all "Obas" both in Ife and abroad were given authority to rule by Ogene uhe Before any coronation Ogene must be seeked and grant his blessings...as every Oba of Bini was brought back to the land of his ancestors to be buried You say Ife needed a stranger And Igodo needed wat? Who was Oranmiyan?? Oduduwa was not from Bini or igodo |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 12:59am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Orlando Owoh: So far, no Bini has been able to dispute this with facts. they can't. They just want to argue and fight There's nothing to be so ashamed of here...it's history, afterall it's no longer practiced |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 1:06am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: actually dear, olukun and ogun were localised in yoruba land, they are actually bini god, and in bini, olokun isn't necessarily female, he is actually the SON of osanobua, ogun too, if you do a search on the origin of olokun worship u will be suprised. see this pathetic liar, even in ur heart u know you are a damned liar What has Bini got to do with ocean?? Olokun is Ijebu origin....and Ogun is Ekiti Ogun is also in Akure, another in Ife and last in saki district of Oyo Bronze casting was taught to bini by Ife |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 1:06am On Jul 03, 2014 |
brownlord: More royal traditions being modified... |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 1:14am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: erediawa's direct father akensua was actually buried in bini palance. Before Oba ovoranmwen(I hope I got the spelling) all obas were buried in Ife Oba Adolo was the last in 1888 Alaafin's records are not complete...Alaafin has missed out the important fact that the so called slave son was Adimula, the first son of Akanbi, son of Oduduwa and also that Oranmiyan returned to take his place on the throne of Oduduwa and his family continued the line till today So don't try to correct me on what you know absolutely nothing about |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 1:19am On Jul 03, 2014 |
mafioso2: When will the Yorubas stop all this trash about the Benin Kingdom, when?..i don't need any bias historian to tell me what i already know about Benin because i was born and raised here. Okay let's look at it this way the Binis believe that Oduduwa(Izeduwa) who was suppose to be killed but spared and instead a chicken was killed in replacement of him and the blood rubbed on the killers Machete to show to the then king. Excaped and became a king in Ife...when he sent his son too Oranmiyan who was suppose to be a king here but he had to run away probably the stories his father (Oduduwa) might have told him about Benin and he had to name the Land Ilu Ibinu and on his way back to Ife he impregnated a lady who was suppose to take care of him and the lady gave birth to a son and the lady's father was later made a duke(Enogie of Egor) If Oranmiyan was a feared warrior as the yoruba claimed why did he had to run away. the same Oranmiyan who gave u a king...Wow Bini people can be so ungrateful smh |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 1:22am On Jul 03, 2014 |
MacLovington: . I respect the Bini people as any one with a Great Yoruba consciousness would. But lack of knowledge in our history has made many loose their senses I take every Bini and Edoid person has family but Nigerian politics won't let them open their eyes |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 1:40am On Jul 03, 2014 |
jude33084: Uh?? And where did Bini say Igodo came from? Hypocrite! |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 2:04am On Jul 03, 2014 |
ayewosa: So later when the people of Benin Kingdom came to Ife they search everywhere for their Oba. But couldn't find him, Oduduwa welcome them and ask them what they were looking for and they narrated all that happened, Oduduwa has already know he's the one they're talking about. So he told them he's the one they are looking for. The people from Benin Kingdom began to plead for forgiveness. So they told Oduduwa that he has to return with them to Benin Kingdom so that peace will reign again in the land. But Oduduwa told them he's old now and moreover he's the Oba here in Ife. So he decided he'll give them his first child to rule as king in the land of Benin Kingdom. The people of Benin Kingdom was thankful and return with the son of Oduduwa. The son of Oduduwa was not understanding bini language, he speaks only Yoruba. On getting to the palace in great Benin Kingdom. Peace return to the land and things were back to how it was from the beginning. The first few days when Oduduwa son came to the palace he didn't talk to anyone because of the language difference. So one afternoon when he was walking around the palace he saw some guards playing (Ayo game) that game you play with seeds. So he was interested and joined them, so why playing with them he won a turn and said in Yoruba Owomi ka ( my hand have caught it) so the the guards and elders watching shouted that the Oba has finally spoken his name. From there they called him Eweka. He was Eweka the first( Eweka I) the son was Eweka II. And so on like that. So the relationship between us the Benin and Yoruba is that we share the same great ancestors. Thank you for your story...tho it's different from what I have learnt from my own research |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 2:05am On Jul 03, 2014 |
tonychristopher: Rubbish! Ijebu is a Yoruba language, different from standard Yoruba (Oyo) but it's Yoruba 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 2:06am On Jul 03, 2014 |
tonychristopher: Olukumi are Yoruba by language and Igbo by culture They have both Igbo and Yoruba names |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 2:09am On Jul 03, 2014 |
baby_123: Great observation...Oduduwa represents two things 1. the force of the formation of matter 2. The king of Ife People should learn how to differentiate spirituality from history 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 2:09am On Jul 03, 2014 |
politicalpastor: Before Oba ovoranmwen all Oba were buried in Ife...the last was Oba adolo 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 2:10am On Jul 03, 2014 |
brownlord: Learn to spot the difference in spirituality and history |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 2:11am On Jul 03, 2014 |
brownlord: Where did Ogiso come from? 2 Likes |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by peerless2(m): 5:21am On Jul 03, 2014 |
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Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by brownlord: 8:27am On Jul 03, 2014 |
macof: Really, so you even know more than the Alaafin, bro you guys know nothing about this history, even an uneducated person know's his father' farmland and boundary, saying Alaafin's record is not correct is an evidence that the bini's are right. |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by oncheckent: 8:35am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Orlando Owoh: According to Prof. I. A. Akinjogbin and Prof. E. A. Ayandele in "Yorubaland Up To 1800" in Groundwork of Nigerian History, edited by Obaro Ikimi, page 133, " . . . a living oba of Benin was prohibited from seeing Ile-Ife and why only his corpe (some say only his head) was brought back to Ife to be buried a place still called Orun Oba Ado (the heaven of the kings of Benin) in Ile-Ife.What you have just said is untrue, it is a taboo for the oba to leave benin city, so there is no way he could ever have been in modakeke. For you all to know that tradition still stands. And one more thing the benin kingdom was way before ile-ife, and what the yoruba's gave to them was a royal lineage, none of oduduwas sons ever ruled benin. |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by OrlandoOwoh(m): 8:36am On Jul 03, 2014 |
macof:Most people don't know that there is difference between language and dialect. The Yoruba that is mostly spoken is a 'corruption' of the Oyo dialect. The Oyo dialect is used in the translation of the Bible. Other Yoruba groups: Ijebu, Ijesha, Ife, Ondo, Akure, Sabe, Ketu, Owe, Owo, Ifon, Ekiti, etc have their dialects. 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by sleekman(m): 10:02am On Jul 03, 2014 |
The king's palace or court is a square, and is as large as the town of Haarlem and entirely surrounded by a special wall, like that which encircles the town. It is divided into many magnificent palaces, houses, and apartments of the courtiers, and comprises beautiful and long square galleries, about as large as the Exchange at Amsterdam, but one larger than another, resting on wooden pillars, from top to bottom covered with cast copper, on which are engraved the pictures of their war exploits and battles..." —Olfert Dapper 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by tonychristopher: 10:17am On Jul 03, 2014 |
macof: dont call them oluknmi and they wont bear yoruba...but your statement is funny THEY ARE YORUBA BY LANGAUGE AND IGBO BY CULTURE...IT SOUNDS CONFUSING LANGUAGE IS THE MAIN and cluture is INGRAINED in It AND FACTOR OF CULTURE.so automatically they are igbo...maybe not pure ones though |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by sleekman(m): 10:19am On Jul 03, 2014 |
macof:ur lies and falsehoods no get part 2. Benin art predates Ife art. Bini's were d first 2 start bronze and brass casting cos they 1st came in contact with d portuguese in Nigeria. Prior 2 dat they made carvings and molding. Benin city had d 1st church in Nigeria from d portuguese missionaries that came in d 16th century. That's why Benin chiefs wear a cassock. "The King of Benin can in a single day make 20,000 men ready for war, and, if need be, 180,000, and because of this he has great influence among all the surrounding peoples. . . . His authority stretches over many cities, towns and villages. There is no King thereabouts who, in the possession of so many beautiful cities and towns, is his equal." —Olfert Dapper, 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by tonychristopher: 10:20am On Jul 03, 2014 |
macof: but why do most of them claim they aint yoruba and they dont speak yoruba but ijebu just like eguns...maybe you will tell me that benin is yoruba also..cos i understand benin and I understand yoruba and i have not seen much similarity in both..they are different...just take the basic words like come,go,food,god,etc...they aint same in both languages |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by sleekman(m): 10:29am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Foreign observers often commented favorably on Benin's discipline and organization as "better disciplined than any other Guinea nation", contrasting them with the slacker troops from the Gold Coast |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by Nobody: 10:33am On Jul 03, 2014 |
brownlord:wao!!! Gooddy him!that ancient tradition cant possibly stand in this jet age...gotta know n see who taking after,of cos. |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by Frenchkiss564: 10:48am On Jul 03, 2014 |
macof:their is oba edare oodua of ife, i tried asking his son about the origin of oodua, unfortunately the guy knows nothing |
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