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Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by tbaba1234: 12:09am On Jul 03, 2014 |
In 1994, the difference between the top leagues and the rest were not so pronounced. Most of the USA 94 team played in belgium which was a great place for african players at the time. The english league was not that great. The italians probably had the best league at the time. Most were starters. In 2014, the gap is more pronounced and most of our players playing in top leagues are bench warmers. About 17 were. world cup debutants. We had one of the youngest team in the tournament. 4 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by tbaba1234: 12:14am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Nihilist: No need to insult to prove your point. I am aware of the age of the ranking at the time. Trust me, you'd be hard pressed to find people who were more obsessed and knew more about football at that time. It is about raking in points and in the period under review, Nigeria was ranked 5th based on the results. Norway, Romania also had very good teams at the time. 3 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by 360command: 12:15am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Nigerians can like super eagles. See d way dem dey analyse things like say na final match we dey go play for worldcup. Anyway, d thing totori me for body sha! 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by Nihilist: 12:18am On Jul 03, 2014 |
tbaba1234: In 1994, the difference between the top leagues and the rest were not so pronounced. You keep jumping from pillar to post...now it's no longer fifa ranking but World Cup debutant? Can you name 1 player in the 94 squad that had previous World Cup Experience? The only Bench Warmer in the 1st team lineup this year was Moses. Every other player was a regular starter at his club. Mikel was a squad player last season though, but made regular appearances. Most of the squad playing in Europe's top leagues. Oya what's the next excuse? 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by DoctorMcgruff: 12:21am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Keep Keshi, I have to say that for the first time in a while this team needs continuity. Keshi given more time can make this team a formidable force. remember keshi had a goal to build a team for russia 2018 either way... but new blood needs to be brought in to mix with the new and looking at the movements of several U-17 Players like Yahaya, Kelechi and Chidi along with others like imoh ezekiel, olaitan....the hope is all these players along with the onazi's emenikes, uchebos, juwons, eldersons, omeruos and more, find solid playing time in their clubs...i have no doubt nigeria will turn heads even more in the next world cup 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by saasala(m): 12:29am On Jul 03, 2014 |
tonytony208: Your intentions are very WRONG! It is very clear you have some hatred for Keshi. It is because of pple like you that football is dying in nigeria. Did u watch the nation's cup at all? When last did you see SE play like dat (especially the games against mali and CIV)? Those brilliant displays that kill joy (aka pull him down) like you will never notice is courtesy of the man you called heady. This same keshi took unknown players to chan and beat south Africa on their home turf; they went further to beat Morocco from 3 goals down to win the match 4-3. B4 The chan competition, nobody gave the players any chance except their coach (keshi) who believed in them. Yet pple like you think such a man isn't fit enough to continue with the SE. When last did SE played so brilliantly against Argentina and france like they did during the WC? may be 20 years ago. Am certain dat backward minded souls like u were never expecting such display from our players. And those great performances that pullhimdown like you don't see as anything special were courtsey of the man you love to pull down. Yeah nff should employ a new coach so that he can start from scratch again. They should get new hands that had never been there with the players 3 years ago when this rebuilding started so that he can start all over again with his own choice of players, strange ideas and methods of instructions that the players were never used to. At the end of the day, SE will go back to the dust. Pple like you are always quick to compare SE to the Belgian team without using your hate-filled head to think properly. Do you know why the Belgian team is in the quarter final today? It was because they took time developing their football. They actually gave their coach 9 good years to work on the team. Keshi had only spent 3 yrs with the team and he already has excellent results to show for it. If it is a foreign coach will you call for his removal after all his achievements? No you won't. I am certain the reason your head is so filled with hate for keshi to the extent that you can't think right anymore is because he didnt invite ike uche. Did keshi not invite ike uche for nation's cup? What did ike uche contribute to the team? Did we not win the nation's cup with ike uche warming the bench? Strangely enough, same ike uche that is making you loose your sense went to score goals for his club few weeks after the nation's cup. What form did he suddenly develop in his club that he couldn't show during the nation's cup? Pple like u will never come to terms with the reality that club form doesn't always translate to national team performance. If the nff is as hateful and full of bile like u and they don't want nigeria's futball to develop, they will heed your advice.If I were a woman, I would marry you I swear. Your comment should be cast into eternal bronze. You are one of the few Nigerians who know the game of football in and out. I love you. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by shadrach77: 12:33am On Jul 03, 2014 |
I can't agree more with the poster. Keshi is extremely naive. How he became a coach in the first instance, remains a misery. How can someone who calls himself a coach take Shola Ameobi, someone who scored 3 goals in two years to the World Cup, leaving IK Uche who scored 18 goals in La Liga? Who does that? He can't even read matches properly. A proper tactician would have introduced more strikers into the match when Onazi was taken out. That would make out for lack of good midfielders. Why will any sensible coach bring a player on in the 90th minute? ! Who in his right frame of mind would tinker with a team in the dying minute? Months to a World Cup. The handwriting was on the wall when we failed woefully at the Confed Cup but we failed to see it. Winning AFCON is no big deal, since most teams in Africa are technically deficient so any average team can win. Zambia, the 2012 winners never got out of the group stages in South Africa. Keshi's tactical naivety was embarasingly exposed in Brazil. Imagine him foolishly fielding Moses, someone who was on the bench in Liverpool throughout the season. Keshi should never go near a stadium again let alone coach a national team. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by filiks(m): 12:34am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Nihilist: Anything can happen in football but its still unreasonable to expect a better performance from the 2014 squad cos the 1994 squad is way above their class! Remember, that same 1994 squad got Nigeria 5th position in fifa ranking, which is the highest an african team has ever gotten. Now compare that to the 44th position we enjoy now. If you say the 2014 squad is more exposed, I will have to ask what criteria you used as yard-stick. 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by tbaba1234: 12:37am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Nihilist: What is this?? The fifa ranking remains a valid point. Look at the 23, not just 11. You need depth to go far. The basic truth is we had more depth in 94. Most first team starters Omeruo played in lower league. Oshaniwa in Israel, (our first choice is a bench warmer). Mikel was a bench warmer in the later part of the season 22 debutants 17 debutants We are talking about two inexperienced teams. The 94 team took more time to build and was filled with first team regulars. We beat a highly rated romanian team in the warm ups. Expectations were high. They did not overachieve. They did good. If they beat Italy, then we can say that This team had 17 debutants, they did not underachieve. Only 3 african teams have reached the quarters. There are also inexperienced. An african team getting past the group stages is unusual sef. 3 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by Abraham2013(m): 12:44am On Jul 03, 2014 |
mikeansy:And sunday oliseh played at d lowest level abi? Somebody who played in ajax, juventus, dortumd coupled wit playing under managers like van gaal, marcelo lappi, etc is a nobody abi? Bros park well. 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by Abraham2013(m): 12:55am On Jul 03, 2014 |
D truth of d matter is dat keshi started well and ended badly and in d game of football, u r as gud as ur last game. If u say na lie, ask david moyes. Y would keshi disband a team dat won d afcon 4 naija 2 months to d tournament? If d players (ruban Gabriel, ucheabo, nwafor, yobo, ameobi, micheal babtunde) he took 2 d world cup were as gud as he claims, y did he not use d same players to prosecute d world cup qualifiers? Also d same mistakes keshi made during d confed cup, he made during d world cup, does it mean he did not learn anytin 4rm d dismal performance of d confed cup? As 4 me, keshi has tried his best, but unfortunately his best is not gud enough. He should honorably step aside and look 4 other challenges else were. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by Nihilist: 1:08am On Jul 03, 2014 |
tbaba1234: My friend stop beating around the bush. Your argument that the 2014 squad was largely inexperienced compared to 1994 is redundant because none of the class of 94 had ever appeared in the World Cup. Your argument that the class of 94 was superior to the class of 2014 based on Fifa ranking is redundant because 1.) Fifa ranking was barely a year old at the time and (2.) Nigeria got a head start in the rankings by winning the CAN earlier in the year. Considering the calculations for Fifa Rankings have been revised twice since it's introduction on account of being too simplistic and inaccurate, it is fair to say that if we were to apply the 94 fifa ranking coefficients to this 2014 squad, Nigeria would be ranked much much higher than they are now Your argument that the class of 94 were regular starters for their clubs is redundant because the majority of the 1st team squad in 2014 are regular starters for their respective clubs. Moreover the class of 94 had the likes of peter Rufai who was a 2nd choice keeper at his club and Emenalo who was unattached. A lot of the class of 94 had only just recently moved to Europe, while the class of 2014 have been playing at the top level for years and boast several players who have won league titles in thier respective leagues. Your argument that Omeruo plays for Middlesborough on loan is redundant as majority of the class of 94 played in the Belgian league which inferior even by the standards of that era. Your argument that we lacked depth is an indictment of Stephen Keshi's cognitive reasoning...afterall he's the one that dropped MBA for Reuben, Joel Obi for Nwofor, and IK Uche for Ameobi There is no denying it, class of 2014 is far more experienced, and far more exposed to top level football than class of 94, So thier failure to surpass that legendary squad is an aberration and a disgrace. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by myspnigeria: 1:20am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Nihilist:[quote author=Nihilist] My friend stop beating around the bush. Your argument that the 2014 squad was largely inexperienced compared to 1994 is redundant because none of the class of 94 had ever appeared in the World Cup. Your argument that the class of 94 was superior to the class of 2014 based on Fifa ranking is redundant because 1.) Fifa ranking was barely a year old at the time and (2.) Nigeria got a head start in the rankings by winning the CAN earlier in the year. Considering the calculations for Fifa Rankings have been revised twice since it's introduction on account of being too simplistic and inaccurate, it is fair to say that if we were to apply the 94 fifa ranking coefficients to this 2014 squad, Nigeria would be ranked much much higher than they are now Your argument that the class of 94 were regular starters for their clubs is redundant because the majority of the 1st team squad in 2014 are regular starters for their respective clubs. Moreover the class of 94 had the likes of peter Rufai who was a 2nd choice keeper at his club and Emenalo who was unattached. A lot of the class of 94 had only just recently moved to Europe, while the class of 2014 have been playing at the top level for years and boast several players who have won league titles in thier respective leagues. Your argument that Omeruo plays for Middlesborough on loan is redundant as majority of the class of 94 played in the Belgian league which inferior even by the standards of that era. Your argument that we lacked depth is an indictment of Stephen Keshi's cognitive reasoning...afterall he's the one that dropped MBA for Reuben, Joel Obi for Nwofor, and IK Uche for Ameobi There is no denying it, class of 2014 is far more experienced, and far more exposed to top level football than class of 94, So thier failure to surpass that legendary squad is an aberration an gbammest!!! |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by victorazy(m): 1:54am On Jul 03, 2014 |
lloydtruth: [b] Bros this is a great article and you really pointed at every part of the team, I disaprove the list when I saw Mikel's name. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by Nobody: 2:04am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Kolorun maa so gbogbo yin.Me,a just kno sey coach bleeped up big time for packing idiots like mikel,uchebo,ameobi,moses,nwofor,agbim,azeez,gabriel go world cup when we av ik uche,kalu uche,sone aluko(u nid to see ds guy against arsenal FA cup final...hull city,mba,alampasu,ihenacho,olaitan,john ogu n lukeman haruna..Keshi shud go jor |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by Reference(m): 2:18am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Abeg not interested in this epistle. Its obviously targetted at Keshi and acted out of fresh post world cup exit syndrome. Level heads will give Keshi at least another 4 years to complete the rebuild by which time Manu Garba's team transition should be complete. Like I said yesterday the call for Sunday Oliseh is just a shot in the dark. It is moving from two known coaches to an unknown. Can you afford such risk. Even Siasia was tested at cadet level first. Why not Oliseh and Finidi. Na big risk oh. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by naijaboyof4life(m): 3:20am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Mr.chippychappy: Pep was the manager of barcelona B, working with mourinho, so he learnt a lot of mourinho. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by naijaboyof4life(m): 3:28am On Jul 03, 2014 |
re@lchange: You forgot one thing, TEAM COHESION. Just one substitution can change a game, did you watch belgium v usa, lukaku coming changed the game. Reuben doesn't have the qualities of onazi. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by naijaboyof4life(m): 3:31am On Jul 03, 2014 |
phreakabit: What are you saying, all these coaches coach club teams, so everyday, for a whole season, they are getting experience. A national coach only gets to have to train his players for a while. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by Mexyz(m): 4:27am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Why are some guys here insulting the op? He clearly stated that it was his own opinion, why the insults? Moreover who is pursuing Keshi? Today he will quit, tomorrow he is back, next day he is gone. If keshi wants to go, let him go. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by honeric01(m): 5:39am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Mr.chippychappy: Says a man who saw nothing good in a man who's got the best records for an African coach.. crab mentality because before him, another coach was there and some set of people pulled him down, now you are doing the same to Keshi and I am 100% sure same thing would be done to your own 'perceived better recommendation', so the circle continues the crab way! until you show me a better coach with a better achievement in Nigeria, I won't accept the total downgrading you gave Keshi. 3 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by wordychap: 5:57am On Jul 03, 2014 |
ERCROSS: how i wish keshi didnt resign...Keshi hasn't resigned - his own words |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by wanted(m): 6:20am On Jul 03, 2014 |
bin gbagbo: Dullard, how many black men are coaching in Europe? u nor go respect yourself! |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by wanted(m): 6:27am On Jul 03, 2014 |
shadrach77: I can't agree more with the poster. Keshi is extremely naive. How he became a coach in the first instance, remains a misery. How can someone who calls himself a coach take Shola Ameobi, someone who scored 3 goals in two years to the World Cup, leaving IK Uche who scored 18 goals in La Liga? Who does that? I understand you are bitter but why we nor dey win the nations cup since na? Keshi did his best and you can't say the super eagles were disgraced in this world cup far from it. i agree he would would have picked uche but then u can't judged Ameobi who was barely used. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by Holadokun(m): 7:06am On Jul 03, 2014 |
will you all keep quiet and stop the criticism. . . . . . #BringBackStephenKeshi. . . . . consistency matters!!!!! 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by gotcha(m): 7:23am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Couch Pundits!!! There is a reason it's called fantasy football....in real life, 90mins on the pitch is not always predictable. And for all who think the SE were terrible at the WC.....spare a thought for Spain's 2014 WC campaign. 2 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by Nobody: 7:30am On Jul 03, 2014 |
bin gbagbo:on point my man! Oliseh should stop flaging certificates and show us his coaching prowess with a team! Let us not prepare for another regretful analysis (like d op has) which will be based on his lack of experience when he eventually fails. Our senior national team MUST be handled strictly by experienced and successful hands... Siasia should be given another shot! Manu not a bad choice too... Again, the talk of moving u20 players and all to the SE should be based strictly on Club performances! 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by cooltobex(m): 7:34am On Jul 03, 2014 |
phreakabit:. Why do you have to make reference to club coaches? Mention any inexpaerienced coach that has done with a national team! 3 Likes |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by bigrovar(m): 8:35am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Most of the people commenting here are daft lack ability to think critically. If there are 21 parallel universes in non of them is Keshi a bad coach/tactician.. in non of them is he also perfect.. Records don't lie and facts speaks for themselves.. right now there are few coaches in Africa (white or black, African or European) who can boast the records Keshi has.. qualified 2 African teams to the world cup, 2nd coach to win the nation cup as a player and coach, first african to qualify a team to the second round.. won our first nation cup in 19 years (something we couldn't even win in our backyard in Lagos) ... A prophet is indeed never respected in his home. Those throwing insult on Keshi should ask themselves one question. What have *you* done with your life? If success is that easy to come by such much so that a man bad at what he does can come by such much success.. then surely you to would have excelled and probably is a world beater at what you do.. Truth is u are at best some dude just getting by or probably a loser who would only dream to achieve 1% of what the man u slander has achieved in life. Keshi is a hero.. even before he coached the eagles.. He is a Nigerian hero but we just have a knack for slanting our heros.. treating them like shit.. Maradona, Gaza, Zidane are all idolized in their nation yet we talk about our own hero with scorn. Let me address this whole 94 eagles issues that seem to be coming up.. The 94 eagles is the best set of players we ever had in this country period. That they failed to achieve more than 2nd round in USA 94 is underachievement in my book. The squad was our golden generation and was complete.. When u have a team that saw the likes of Victor Ikpeba (at his pick in monaco) Jay Jay Okocha (Already a sensation in Germany) Evan Ekoku ( One of the most lethal Strikers in England) being bench warmers.. then u know u have a cup winning squard.. The 94 squad was tight in all department.. yet they failed to get past the 2nd round.. On the issue of the 94 squad again, those who have any sense of history would remember that the 94 squad didn't just happen.. It was a product of 5 years building a team from scratch after our failure to qualify for Italian 90.. He then built a team from a bunch of raw talents led by Amokachi, Yekini, Siasia to the nation cup in Algeria where they took 2nd after starting the tournament with a 5-1 lose to Algeria.. It took westerof 2 tries before he eventually became 3rd time lucky and won the nations cup.. What Keshi has done is to adopt the westerof formula and he too has been successful. This man was able to raise a team for Nigeria after the lowest ebb in our soccer history (when we failed to qualify for the nation's cup in 2012) I was at the stadium when we drew Guinea (when we needed a win) Siasia could not secure a win in Abuja yet people are hailing him as a better coach than Keshi.. (may god judge u harshly) My hope is that this man is allowed to continue is work.. I am sure he has learned from his first world cup experience.. he should be allowed to continue.. heck even ghana a giving their coaches an extension. 1 Like |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by audiigee(m): 9:41am On Jul 03, 2014 |
lloydtruth: [b] Bros this is a great article and you really pointed at every part of the team,bros have Ɣoΰ ever coached any team before, Ŋa̶̲̥̅ wao, bet Ɣoΰ this list of players can bring the world to nigeria swear. Pls beg Ɣoΰ reserve this list so that Ɣoΰ can send it to any coach selected. It will assist him positive. Thanks for a great write up |
Re: Super Eagles - The Way Forward by angelsing(m): 9:45am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Reading from all the comment here I just come to a conclusion, must we always dispose our coaches after every tournament? Where is the continuity?. The coach might have got somethings wrong in team selection, choice of players etc but we shud remember we need no qualification to criticise. Bringing in a new coach will mean starting all over again. Take a look at the German team, joachim leow has been the coach since 2006. We need continuity and the coach can work on his mistake in previous tournament which will bring about a better and a stronger team. 1 Like |
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