ziga:

No I don't. I'm trying to tie your multiple statements together and they are contradictory.

So, because you think Doctors already get what they deserve, then the Nigerian people get what they deserve, and they deserve lack of equipment, poor training of the Docs supposed to treat them?

InvertedHammer:
@ziga:
Read phantom's response.

I will not engage you any more. You lack basic reading and comprehension skill.

@phantom:
Pay attention to my previous statements which included this subtle clarification, "not that these guys are not intelligent..."

In summary, doctors should be the only medical consultants in a hospital.

Hearme:

St Gerald Hospital is run by an administrator. Its a big hospital in Kaduna in which many consultants and other health professionals do work. We only have a weak law here in Nigeria. That an issue has been legitimate for a thousand years does not make it right. We as individuals must embrace change. What I expect the NMA to do is not to begin to antagonize but as intellectuals think well to fight a good cause for their members. E.g Technologist in the universities fought for an upgrade of their Hazard allowance they got it, but a science lecturer who is involved in the practicals and research does not earn that hazard allowance because his union did not fight for that thus all lectures irrespective of the position earn 4K as hazard per annum which is equivalent to about 333.33 naira montly. NMA should think deep and act like the senior union rather than arguing and quarrelling. Remember ASUU fought during the strike but what was released was for all unions even though it was only the salaries of ASUU members that were stopped.

franklininu: its so annoying when dr claim they know and can do the work of other health professionals.. stop trying to fool public. The first Dr i worked wit in a private hosital, he is a nice man and respect him alot. but the sad thing is that He was using his trained nurses to run test in his lab. Some of these nurses didnt even finish secondary school but they are there giving out unimaginable results. I then look at one slide prepared by these nurses for malaria parasite under the microscope. I then ask them pls show me the malaria parasite, they end up showing me red blood cells. I was like really? They said thats what the Dr taught them. So i went to call the Dr to clearify things. To my greatest surprise he was pointing crenated red blood cell as malaria parasit which resulted from poor fixing.I didnt border to correct him bc pride factor may follow. This is just simple malaria. I also know what i pass through trying to show another dr how to identify the organism that causes TB under the microscope bc he is finding hard to spot them and at the end of the day he end up say "these things can only be identify by trained eyes". Thes are just some of the simple things in lab yet... if one of these dr is here they wil be the first to say they can do the work of a nurse, medical lab scientist, pharmacist etc
your good in ur feild but dont over do it.

Dr The world is big enough to contain everybody.

esther20: dia demands re not much let d government provide. to go skul for six years nah beans some go even spend eight years. to b a medical student is not easy. skul dey on break biuh we medical student re not in break all in d name of practical and lectures. we deserved to b honour. doctor nor b moi moi.

Obi411:
It is people like you that deliberately leave knives inside their patients' belly.

lionelrobben: yes dis is true. sum mths back I had maleria. da docta no gree treat me. he said i should hand ova my BB. i tell am say no, na di only fon wey i get. he said he no fit treat me till i dash am all my female BBM contacts. diaris god ooo

7sperovs:

U are a fool? who asked u to go to school for 6 years, i went to the NDA for 4 years and after graduation i still have to stand before a bullet each time there is crisis so that i can protect u the doctor, who should earn more..Soldier, that protect even the doctors or police that the CMD calls when armed men come into his house to collect what the CMD stole from the hospital..Genuine cause my foot...Soldiers cant go on strike, th epolice cant go onstrike even when they are paid rubbish, who sacrifices more and who should really be agitating for better pay..Doctors should go and sleep
Am pregnat. doctor say lets find out, Go for a test.
Am feeling feverish- Doctor says lets find out whats really wrong with you, go for a test.
Am very sure the so called lab technician, can tell what result is positive for any ailment and a pharmacist can tell u what drug and what dosage u need to get cured....Every consultant just gives u a list of (lab technician's) test that decides which of the (pharmacist's) drugs to use..It make one wonder what they can really do without test and drugs..
None of the medical/health sector can survive without the other, Doctors should stop feeling too important joor

tpia5:



If you finished in six years, count yourself lucky.

priscasmart:

Seems like you studied your medicine in a mediocre School. I'm very sure you're not even a doctor. Shame on you

peter4d2:

U shuld hv also fasted during d cos of acquiring u degree since u lik 2 feel like demigods n I know ur 1 of dose pple who fink doc's r second 2 non.

mbulela:

na medicine make you no get girlfriend?
you need to up your game? stop blaming medicine.
your fellow doctors,are keeping two babes comfortably and you are here blaming medicine.

Nicepoker: engineers rocks. We provide u guys wit the most sophisticated medical equipment u need for necessary diagnosis so bleep off

Obi411:
It is people like you that deliberately leave knives inside their patients' belly.

KingTom:
After calling me a fool, remember that those so-called bullets you claim to be facing will still be treated by me. I will not stoop to your level by insulting you, you spent 4 years in NDA, did I force you to go there is it not you who used your own biro to write the exams Please stop insulting Doctors. I have no further words for you

Obi411:
It is people like you that deliberately leave knives inside their patients' belly.

KingTom:
My fellow doctors are on strike, while I am still working, who needs to up what now, LOBATAN!!!!!!

sisiafrika: weldone but why is ur grammar this poor? U finished from OSU or LaSU right? No offense

I strongly disagree with you that we should leave Canada, US, UK out of it. Why should we? Why should other health professionals be able to become consultants in other countries but in Nigeria it must not be so because of the insecurities or fear of doctors.

What should be done I say again is to address those fear and securities. You can't say no no no... this must never be.

The way I see it, doctors are trying to be in Nigeria what their counterpart are not in other countries.

How come the consultants of other countries have not taken over patient care over from the doctors? Whatever is that reason. it should be replicated here.

But I know you're are not interested in any of this. Let me tell you. The world is changing. Repression will always give way to the pressure of change.

Okay, now I see clearly where you are driving at, now let us dissect the first paragraph of your comment, hitherto, the consultant Doctors own the patient, now you want to be a consultant nurse but you don't want to own the patient, does it sound right to you? Is this not one of the reasons Suarez bite people?

A teaching hospital I know Pays a consultant doctor about 750k monthly excluding other perks for owning the patient, now you a nurse who want to be a consultant will tomorrow hold the Govt by the jugular demanding the same amount (after all, you are all consultants) meanwhile, the consultant nurse cannot even own a patient, why do we need those unproductive bureaucracies in our health care delivery? the ones done by the politicians isn't that enough?
where is the wisdom in this plan of yours?

For how long do you think doctors can prevent other health professionals from becoming consultants. If there are becoming consultants in other parts of the world, then eventually, doctors will not be able to stop it from happening in Nigeria. Try and learn something from history. It's just a matter of time.

The earlier doctors comes to terms with this the better.

KingTom:
UNICAL

Hearme:

St Gerald Hospital is run by an administrator. Its a big hospital in Kaduna in which many consultants and other health professionals do work. We only have a weak law here in Nigeria. That an issue has been legitimate for a thousand years does not make it right. We as individuals must embrace change. What I expect the NMA to do is not to begin to antagonize but as intellectuals think well to fight a good cause for their members. E.g Technologist in the universities fought for an upgrade of their Hazard allowance they got it, but a science lecturer who is involved in the practicals and research does not earn that hazard allowance because his union did not fight for that thus all lectures irrespective of the position earn 4K as hazard per annum which is equivalent to about 333.33 naira montly. NMA should think deep and act like the senior union rather than arguing and quarrelling. Remember ASUU fought during the strike but what was released was for all unions even though it was only the salaries of ASUU members that were stopped.

sisiafrika: kkkkk. Idogensit. Dinno d meaning. Guess stone?

KingTom:

YourHealthlabs:

Nigerian B.mls have been evaluated to be of US standard. Nigerian scientists pass the NCA and ASCP exams with ease to work as MLScientists in U.S and Canadian labs.

Nigerian M.bbs is NOT an International standard. MD is d real deal.

U.S and U.K hospital DO NOT employ Nigerian docs instantly. They are made to write USMLE which is very highly competitive for non-US and non-Canadian trained docs and chances are very slim for these foreign-trained physicians in the U.S.

Stop misleading people.


We've settle this issue in my previous posts on a different thread.

philtrum: One more sane person .........nurses, pharmacist, pharmacologist, microbiologist and others wants to be named consultants and Chief medical Director......oh you think Doctors are not business oriented too...6yrs in Med sxh + (up to 10 years to specialize for some Doctors) you think they were dancing galala and alanta in ward or popping champagne in the theatre, Or you think its yinka ayefele they sing during ward rounds. No public holiday as student and as a Doc......(Lemme stop before I vex)

ziga:

I see what you are saying, but the big problem is with our dubious people and Government.

What is with all these "shady" allowances? This is why strikes will never end in Nigeria.

That is how politicians earn millions for doing nothing. "Furniture allowance, standing allowance, talking allowance"
Current Affair (NMA 101): We now have 4 Arms of govt in decresing oder of superiority:

-THE NMA
-THE EXECUTIVE
-THE LEGISLATURE and finally
-THE JUDICIARY!
NMA is on top of her game! Big shots you know!

CONHESS 9 step 4 For House Officer
basic salary : 1,426,787NGN per annum
hazard allowance: 60,000NGN
call duty allowance: 799NGN per unit call ( in CONMESS it is 1,503NGN per unit call for HOs)

Pls sir, if I got you well, u mean should status quo be maintained as per the House Officers (intern Medical Doctors), and the Hazard Allowance being agitated for by NMA is approved, A House Officer Monthly Basic Salary will now be to wit:

Monthly Basic Salary: #120,000 (approx.)
Monthly Hazard Allowance #100,000
Monthly call duty (JUTH for instance as presently obtainable):#60,000

In a month, a House Officer (intern Medical Doctor) will smile home with #278,898.917 (approx #280,000; two hundred and eighty thousand naira?)

Sorry for bugging u sir!
In a year (annum) a House Officer (intern Physician) will smile to the bank with THREE MILLION,THREE HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SEVEN NAIRA (#3,346,787)?

Pls FG heed the demand of NMA especially for the sake of the House Officers. Fed Road Safety Commission pls endeavour to issue every Doctor dat special plate number our messiah Dr. Obembe demanded when he was sworn in as the new NMA boss. Inspector Gen of Police and SSS please don't forget the special security detail Sir. Obembe requested earlier on for our members, @ least ONE SSS Officer,ONE SOLDIER,pls remember not to attach a police officer so that their black uniform will not stain their ward suite! ONE CUSTOM AND IMMIGRATION OFFICERS respectively (for easy border access to neighbouring countries)
Minister of Interior pls see to this security challenge of doctors!

Nigerians pls note that these pertinent demands shall be periodically reviewed as time goes on!
Fed Executive Council pls award contract to Julius Berger Construction Company to build access road (u can take a clue from the BRT lane in Lagos state) designated NIGERIAN DOCTORS ONLY pls KEEP OFF!!!

Finally Mr. President in other to bring insurgency in Nigeria finally to an end, pls NMA Surgeon General needs the head of Shekau (as part of International Best Practices, Shekau's head MUST be without BLOOD STAIN)to really check his brain cells!!!

Can't employees just have a pay package without all these hidden allowances?

That is the ploy that allows people to request for what they don't deserve!!!

Also how can level 1 to 16 or whatever they call it be how you determine a worker's remunerations?

What level is the President? or Governor or Senator? Did they skip level 12 too?

Abeg privatize everything joor and let people who are concerned about the progress of their business run thing.

provenus:


But did anybody beg you to be a doctor?