atrix4g: Dis is the problem 'jealousy' Guy go fill jamb form carry medicine nta medical school dey jack under fear and hope com resit like 4tyms go do residency make dem consultants Mbaras u like shit + continuous reading nd lot of sleepless nyts den u will undastand u need more ATP nd dat na money

warrior01: Hate doctors? The fact is those people in Nigeria that parade themselves as Doctors, don't know what it really means to be a mreal doctor. No ethics, no compassion and no proffessionalism. All we have is a bunch of greedy people that is full of unnecessary pride. If you doubt me, why do our people rush to India for proper treatment?

sexyexcalibur:
how much are they been paid.... Google something's out sometimes man.... Nigerian doctors are grossly underpaid compared to other countries..... the other health workers always use US as example.... in that country, docs are paid more than oil workers

splasher: "DOCTORS" of MBBS, it seems this title of doctor has gotten into your heads and it's responsible for this unholy 24 point demand. You do not know drug use and drug interaction like the pharmacist. You are threatened by the Lab Scientist because gone are the days you look at someone nose and eye and say they have malaria. With increasing demand for evidence based practice, you are finding out you need the medical labs more and more. The advent of in- vitro diagnostics by the medlabs is reducing your scope further. Is that why you are asking the government not to allow them practice their profession. Why won't you allow others expand a technique that is within their ambit of practice? Is it because they call you "DOCTOR"? Show me why you should be called DOCTOR. Is there any anywhere in your certificate that gives you the right to call yourselves doctors? If none, then why are against other who want to call themselves doctors? Who and what gives you that right?
Answer these questions and I would recant my previous comment. With all the misdiagnosis in our hospitals, you are asking for salary increment. I think is time we DYMISTIFY this TITLE called DOCTOR. Is time we allow those involved in drug management monitor their patient they prescribe the drug for. Those involved in evidence based diagnostics should be allowed to expand their capabilities. There is no sense in "DOCTORS" of MBBS in insisting they should determine salaries and extent of human capacity development of other health care profession because they are erroneously called DOCTORS.

AyodejiGB: This is a response to someone who said doctors stroll in at 10am without any apology to see patients in the clinic. There is such a lack of understanding about how a government hospital runs and the frustrating bureaucracy that the doctor doesn't want.
I am a doctor and proud to be one.
In any hospital that admits patients, there are two general classes of patients: in - patients and outpatients. The same set of doctors attend to both. They will do a ward round ( for inpatients between 7.30am and 10am). The interns (or house officers start earlier). The medical officers or registrar's round starts after say 7.30am. When they leave depends on the number of patients, other activities such as senior registrars round, consultant round, specialist clinics or a clinical meeting. They will send some people to the clinic if they r running late and sometimes the round is finished after you close the clinic.
There is a call period that starts usually at 4pm but u have to finish your unit activity before leaving and u hand over difficult patients to the people on call.
I have worked in teaching hospitals and general hospitals in different regions on Nigeria.
The most junior officers and the delegated supervisor(s) stay behind until things r sorted out.
Call time is arranged and decision making is rigid. U know the limit of ur authority and u defer to ur superiors.
A doctor leaves as soon as he is free because u r under obligation to attend to patients even if u r off duty.
Doctors make mistakes but there us an audit process in known to most outsiders (public praise, private criticism). I work in a teaching hospital now and[b] I know all doctors want to see patients promptly [/b]but we r hampered by the system.
We will soon ship wreck if we apply stupid changes without wholesome analysis of our health system and having an idea of our policy direction that's why the Primary Health Care is moribund like other areas.
The commonwealth or UK system that we base our health care system on has its challenges and the British make changes regularly. They have National Health Fund which caters for funding, social infrastructure is available.
The USA has a different system based on health insurance which has its challenges.(ObamaCare)
We cannot take selected portions of different systems (consultant status) and graft it into ours and not expect problems.
Please Google medical consultant with respect to the commonwealth, consultant nurse, consultant pharmacist. Wikipedia is helpful.

DebateNigeria:
This is also to announce my membership of nairaland. I shall engage in meaningful debate and will not entertain any form of insult as that is the reason I refused to join initially.
Nairaland is a great community and I have learnt a lot as a guest. I wish I will learn more as a member

Johncuppa: I read something like 'Doctors dont head other health workers position' bt i got to undastand dat d present DG for nafdac is a doctor. Ow come?

Janiobi: When you guys starts saving lifes first than bodring about the registration and hospital fees b4 operating on patients then we would care for you guys...Imagine an injured person runing to a nearby hospital to receive care and Died right there cause he had not the money to pay for his treatment,So he was not responded too. W.T.F is going on with docs?

splasher: Is time we allow those involved in drug management monitor their patient they prescribe the drug for.

PerfectFortune: The OP may claim not to be bias in his judgment but in my opinion, he is very bias.

To begin with, I don't think ppl hate Drs cos it's a title anyway but the attitude of the holder of the title. For your information, majority of the ppl don't like Nurses either part of the reason which has been stressed out already by the OP but they seldom disturb us Strike actions and selfish demands.

I am not saying there are no competent health care providers in the country, it won't be fear on them but the majority of them are incompetent.

I can safely say 70 percent of the so called Drs are incompetent but they want to be treated as gods.

Majority of the Drs working at various govt owned hospitals also work elsewhere either at their own private hospitals or get a job with a private hospital all to the deteriment of the poor masses who frequent the govt owned hospitals.

In most govt owned hospitals, you hardly find a Dr that practise the true essence of the profession but those that are arrogant, selfish and complete cheats.

Take the FMC ebute metta for instance, patients rush to the hospital as early as 5.30/6am to pick nos so they can attended to and return home early enf as it is not like anybody likes going to the hospital anyway but the Drs stroll in around 9.30/10am with no apology the long waiting anxious patients (since they beliv they shld be worshipd) and by 1pm they stop consultation till the next day leaving for their various private hospitals.

If I should start talking about their level of incompetence, the whole page will not contain it as there are even on several occassions where they are corrected by Nurses (on medication prescriptns).

In simple terms, ppl don't hate Drs but the attitude of the holder of the title. They are arrogant, selfish, incompetent, cheats and the big bang, "Killers" going on strike to divert patients to their private hospitals.

I will keep saying it, herbalists are better than most Nigerian Drs..

anergy: I did not even mention MBBS or MD in my post. I only corrected a misconception that medical student don't write research work b/4 graduation.

sexyexcalibur:
how much are they been paid.... Google something's out sometimes man.... Nigerian doctors are grossly underpaid compared to other countries..... the other health workers always use US as example.... in that country, docs are paid more than oil workers

VantagePoint:
Basic healthcare, like deliveries, should be free, I agree and some state governments are already taking steps towards thid.
However, standard healthcare is expensive (drugs, fluids, bed space, needles, syringes, plaster, gauze, cotton wool, sutures, antiseptics, and so on ). The average Nigerian patient DOESN'T pay AFTER services are rendered and these disposables are used on him to get better. Mind you, these things are not free but bought with money. They start pleading or refusing outright to pay.
Who runs at a loss?
At public hospitals where healthcare is free, patients get prompt attention.

ylifeisagift:
No offence intended but U are definitely what is wrong with Nigeria.

soludo93:

Considering the fact that major complicated health issues are referred abroad, I am of the opinion that doctors should earn as much as other health workers and nothing more. This is because the bulk of work they do can equally be managed with equal results by other medics and paramedics. This is not a means to ridicule doctors but to put in perspective the little health attention that Nigeria doctors can offer compared to other doctors overseas.

hydeka: I just like the pharmacists. Their fate is not tied to the hospital. Why struggle with doctors in the hospital all your life when you can open your own community pharmacy, do drug imports or work in a pharm. company/industry? If the doctors don't want you guys there, simply walk out of the cage. You have better opportunities outside the hospital.

armade:

[b][/b]Finally you say what you wanted all along. Point of correction pharmacist you do not prescribe apart from over the counter drugs.

If you want to be involved in patient contact and care you know what to do

splasher: Please allow others to be involved in patient care and contact. It is not your sole right and responsibility. Healthcare is a team approach. Enough of this professional bullying, or you guys are going to get it hot from me. 70% of your management is through drug administration and interaction, which you come a distant second to the pharmacist. I advise you to stick to corrective procedures, as I forsee this is an exclusive place for you. We cyber judges will give you a fair judgement in that arena.

sexyexcalibur: the hatred is not only in Nigeria... even in the US doctors are hated because the public thinks they are paid excessively despite the global recession..... doctors give their life for you in training, the pressure in medical school can be so much that even the best student this year might be withdrawn the next year.... most of those who hate doctor's have their reasons, I understand that,but the generalized hate is not fair at all..... despite all this hatred , a doctor takes solace anytime he saves a life. the patients gratitude gives him the feeling I can't explain.... the fact that the Number of students applying for medicine increase yearly gives him assurance..... and yea, the fact that some of this health professionals were withdrawn from medicine or refused the course when they applied shows him he z privileged... we don't care about those who hate online..we care about those who come to us... they love us, and that is enough

sogodihno: .

Roliks09: I try hard to understand the bone of contention here, and its saddening that supposedly enlightened people are fighting over what is not. Lets just assume, that for one day, a pharmacist heads a teaching hospital. What could go wrong? These are the arguments I'd like to hear. What if a nurse was called a 'consultant nurse' based on her experience and years of service, or whatever other criterion that makes a medical doctor 'consultant', again, what would go wrong? The fight really just seems like a fight for supremacy and titles to me, but we all know really, that no one can perform the real roles of medical doctors. No one. So what are they fighting for? Both sides? But these doctors still go to work when there's an emmergency involving one of theirs. What are we talking about here? Its man's inhumanity to man that would ruin us all.

APContherun: To start with I dont think there's any law or statute that ties the word "Dr" exclusively to practitioners of medicine. The word is just a title ascribed to anyone who by virtue of an act or convention deserves it so it's wrong and silly of medical practitioners to claim exclusive right over it.

I need medical practitioners here to point me to any law that gives them exclusive use of the word "doctor" .

warrior01: Hate doctors? The fact is those people in Nigeria that parade themselves as Doctors, don't know what it really means to be a mreal doctor. No ethics, no compassion and no proffessionalism. All we have is a bunch of greedy people that is full of unnecessary pride. If you doubt me, why do our people rush to India for proper treatment?

ceaser:

Let me educate you.
1. In 2010, an incident happened in one of the teaching hospitals. A consultant plastic surgeon was on the ward round to see one of his patients who underwent skin gratfting. This procedure usually involves the creation of a surgical wound (created by the doctor/consultant) on a part of the patient's body. Shockingly, the nurses in duty prevented the opening of the wound by the doctor citing the fact that it has been inspected by the "consultant nurse". In saner climes, the nurse would stand trial for trespassing and malpractice.

2. Another Nigerian tertiary hospital in 2014. A doctor had RIGHTLY prescribed a drug to a 2 year old child with seizure problems (carbamazepine, the drug, is avoided in pregnant women cause of the risk of having a malformed baby). However a "resident pharmacist" proudly refused to dispense the drug premising it on the reason I gave above. Right as he may seem to be, his half-baked idea of the workings precludes him from knowing that a 2yr-old is most likely not pregnant and is not herself at risk of having any malformations in an already formed and functioning neural and integuments.

In yet another hospital, a "consultant pharmacist" had discontinued a heart medication on which a patient is placed by his doctor. The "consultant pharmacist" cited the side effects of the drug as the reason, all of which is known to the attending physician as part of his holistic training. What the pharmacist fails to realize however, is that the side effects of some drugs can be the desirable effects to treat some conditions in certain instances.

Now I put it to you. With all the patients in this real life scenarios in danger of mortality (dying) by having their doctors' treatment modalities altered or discontinued by "your consultant nurses and pharmacist", would you rather yourself or one of your loved ones are those patients at those point in time? Be sincere in your answers and make the judgement yourself.