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If These Quranic Verses Are True, Then What Is The Problem? / Amazing Statements By Muhammad: Hallucination Or Reality (2) (3) (4)
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 10:00pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
truthman2012:trash? Or u cann't solve the questions pls solve the question u said Islam is bad but in marriage,funeral,naming,etc u are using our step to do all these,if it's a lie proof me wrong with ur bible |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 10:06pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
Skako: Your post is immature and your questions puerile. I will resist any temptation to continue with you. |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by malvisguy212: 6:00am On Jul 17, 2014 |
Skako: |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by malvisguy212: 6:02am On Jul 17, 2014 |
Skako:someone called himself a christian and marry a dog, so what do you want us to do? We do not support him, what he did was wrong and we will not deny him as a christian the way you guys deny boko haram as a muslim. jesus has noting to do with religion, he come to save mankind, you will be surprise that on the day of judgment, God will not recognise any religion, we are called christians because we behave like christ, anybody can claim to be a christian but the Lord knows those that are His own. my father name is AUDU AHEMED ,muslim convert to christian, the day he find christ , he say non of his children will worship satan the way the muslim do. Do you think we don't know what you guys do in mecca? |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 6:45am On Jul 17, 2014 |
truthman2012:u see now u cann't proof it haaaaa what a shame on u and religion with no proof i hav some unanswerable question for u are u ready? |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 8:59am On Jul 17, 2014 |
malvisguy212: someone called himself a christian and marry a dog, so what do you want us to do?someone called himself a Muslim and killing innocent people,so what do u want us to do? We do not support him, what he did was wrong and we will not deny him as a christianwe do not also support them bcs what they are during is wrong and will deny they bcs they said they are following some verses that is meant for that particular time that verses it's for bardir war and hud not for today the way you guys deny boko haram as a muslimthey are not Muslim bcs how can u fighting for Islam and killing Muslims(brothers and sisters). The population of Muslims that has been killed is more than xtian they killed emir, Islamic scholars and so on within abducted girls Muslim are more than xtian, and they are fighting for Islam? They are fighting for Islam in Islamic states not xtian state? If they want to fight for Islam the should go to xtians side (igbo land) not Muslims side (hausa land) jesus has noting to do with religion, he come to save mankind, you will be surprise that on the day of judgment, God will not recognise any religionIsaiah 43:11 New Living Translation I, yes I, am the LORD, and there is no other Savior. Pls who was speaking in this verse is he Jesus or God , we are called christians because we behave like christ, anybody can claim to be a christian but the Lord knows those that are His own.u do not behave at all do know that Islam is a dominant of these country(Spain,france,india) before crusaders raised war against Islam and they killed many Muslims my father name is AUDU AHEMED ,muslim convert to christian, the day he find christ , he say non of his children will worship satan the way the muslim do. Do you think we don't know what you guys do in mecca?what a shame, ur father don lost ALLAH will show him the true path Alhamdulilha that am a Muslim |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by tijjanioyan: 3:50pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
truthman2012:there is no way a blind could be shown d colors in rainbow dat is wia u belong.ALLAH (SWT) repeatedly says in quran54 dat He has made d quran very easy 4us 2memorize dat is why u could find muslim children &adults memorize d holy quran.In order not 2be deceivd dat there is one yeye spirit dat is interpreting 2us as u ppl are subjects of deceit,HE now challenge us 2 go out & seek knowledge there are many branches of knowledge in islam which Tafsir el quran (interpretation of d holy quran) is one. 1 Like |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by tijjanioyan: 4:24pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
malvisguy212: Early Muslim tradition records the factlook at dis olodo u sure say u dey read ur bible wel so?my country pple if a grown up person dey waka 4 road &no wear any cloth no be mad prsn we go cal am?make una helep me take bible sharp sharp & read d book of 1st Sam 19vs 23-24.una go see am wia d spirit of dem xtian god dey enta prsn body & d prsn fall yakata 4ground,tear all him cloth begin dey prophesy wit him tin dey open.dat one no suprise me oo because d book of 1st Cor 1v 25 talk say sometime dia god go dey do sko sko,even wit him sko sko condition he stil dey wise pass human beings |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by tijjanioyan: 4:42pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
truthman2012:na olodo u be,go read ur bible wela,1SAM 19 Vs 23&24 |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 4:53pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
tijjanioyan: there is no way a blind could be shown d colors in rainbow dat is wia u belong.ALLAH (SWT) repeatedly says in quran54 dat He has made d quran very easy 4us 2memorize dat is why u could find muslim children &adults memorize d holy quran. In order not 2be deceivd dat there is one yeye spirit dat is interpreting 2us as u ppl are subjects of deceit,HE now challenge us 2 go out & seek knowledge there are many branches of knowledge in islam which Tafsir el quran (interpretation of d holy quran) is one. tijjanioyan: tanx bro,pls help ask d ogbeni quran reviewer dat hav scientists invented a device dat can reveal d sex of an egg?lets use a fowl egg as case study:if what is In d egg is...a hen,rooster,white or black,red or other mixed colours.some pple think quran is just like other books which they can read tru d translation &start makin senseles comments.besides it takes yrs of hard work 2study d (tafsir)interpretation of d holy quran. Look at the bolded. Which one you deh na? You are as confused as your quran is. It is very easy to memorize but it takes years of hard work to understand. Does islam remove natural senses? Now see where you got your confusion: (This is) a Book, whose verses are made decisive, then are they made plain, from the Wise, All-aware: Qur'an 11:1 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding. Qur'an 3:7 Here are some of the manipulations in the quran: The Book is made plain but nobody knows its hidden meaning except Allah. How is it made plain then as nobody knows its hidden meaning? Why should it have hidden meanings which man cannot know if it is meant for him? Since only Allah knows the hidden meaning, how come men of understanding grasp the message. Is men's understanding equal to that of Allah? My friend, come out of spiritual manipulations. 1 Like |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by joezakdeen(m): 5:08pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
What kind of book is the Injil? The Quran makes the following statements about the Injil: And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2). S. 5:46 Al-Hilali & Khan; cf. S. 57:27 He [Jesus] said, "Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet." S. 19:30 Arberry It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur'an) to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). S. 3:3 Al-Hilali & Khan Sura 5:46 states that the Injil was given to Jesus by Allah. Sura 19:30 and 3:3 then clarify that the Injil is a book just as the Qur'an and the Torah are books that were sent down by Allah. The Qur'an also contains a second set of statements regarding the Injil: Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allah has revealed therein. ... S. 5:47 Al-Hilali & Khan Say: "People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel [Injil], and what was sent down to you from your Lord." ... S. 5:68 Arberry Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel [Injil] (which are) with them. S. 7:157 Pickthall [Say (O Muhammad SAW)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'an), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt. S. 6:114 Al-Hilali & Khan These verses make clear that the Injil is the book of the Christians, the book that is with them and which they believe in. The author of the Qur'an even admonishes the Christians to fully obey (the Torah and) the Injil that they have. The Contradiction However, here is the problem: when we look at the New Testament, the book which is the Scripture of the Christians, we see that it nowhere makes the claim that it is a book that was "given to Jesus". On the contrary, the New Testament consists of several books that were written by followers of Jesus (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit) AFTER the ascension of Jesus. Therefore, the Injil can EITHER be a book given to Jesus, OR it can be the book that the Christians hold as they Holy Scriptures, but it cannot be both. Muhammad apparently assumed that the Scripture of the Christians (and Jews) would be very similar to the Qur'an, the book which he thought he received from Allah. However, Muhammad was clearly ignorant of the matter. The essential nature of the Qur'an and the Bible are very different. A book "given to Jesus" in a similar way as Muhammad claims to have received the Qur'an does not exist and Christians have never claimed that such a book existed at any time. This claim of S. 5:46 is merely a wrong idea that sprang from the mind of Muhammad. Had the author of the Qur'an made only statements like those found in S. 5:46 and 19:30, it might have been an option for Muslims to claim that the Injil of Jesus was simply lost. Jesus indeed received such a book but, somehow, it disappeared. Muslims could have said that the NT clearly is something very different from the Injil as defined by the Qur'an, and could have concluded that therefore they do not believe in the Christian New Testament since the Qur'an does not endorse it. However, the second set of statements above prevents this explanation. The Qur'an identifies the Injil as the Scripture of the Christians. Thus, since the Injil is the book of the Christians, the Qur'an makes a blatantly wrong claim about the basic nature of the Injil. It neither is nor ever was a book given to Jesus. The Source? How could this error arise in the mind of Muhammad? He may have heard statements like in the first verse of the Gospel according to Mark: The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, ... and mistakenly thought that this meant the same as "the Torah of Moses" i.e. a revelation given to a prophet in form of a book. However, reading the context shows that it means "this is the beginning of the Gospel ABOUT Jesus Christ"; the Gospel is the message telling us about the life and teaching of Jesus, written up by his followers, not a book given to Jesus himself. Muhammad projected his own experience of receiving revelation of a book (the Qur'an) on Jesus and simply assumed that the book OF Jesus that was held sacred by his followers must also have been a book given TO Jesus (like the sacred book of the Muslims is the book given TO Muhammad). However, Muhammad was wrong about this, and this mistake exposes the Qur'an as a forgery. The Qur'an is not divine revelation but a collection of mistaken assumptions by its author. But the Bible is corrupted! In most cases when the Qur'an contradicts the Bible, Muslims shout, "but the Bible is corrupted", as if that is the answer and solution to every such problem. There are at least two reasons why this response will not solve the problem. First, the Qur'an never claims that the Injil is corrupted. There are certain accusations against the Jews, but no charge that the Christians corrupted their Scripture. The section, What the Qur'an says about the Bible, investigates this matter closely and shows that the Qur'an does not support the Muslim claim of Bible corruption. Second, even if there had been some corruption of certain passages, small changes resulting in certain shifts of meaning, this cannot possibly explain the above contradiction in the Qur'an. Here we have a fundamental difference in the nature of the book which cannot be accounted for either with gradual changes or with a sudden change. For illustration: The Qur'an is (allegedly) a book that was "sent down" from Allah to Muhammad. It was (supposedly) not written by Muhammad but given to him by Allah. On the other hand, the Hadith are memories of the companions and followers of Muhammad, formulated and written up by Muslims long after the death of Muhammad. They are their recollection of what Muhammad said and did. Would it be possible for anyone to change the Qur'an (the book given to Muhammad) into a collection of hadiths without the Muslim community realizing that their scripture had changed into something entirely different? Without doubt, the Muslim answer will be a resounding NO. But if that is impossible for the Muslim book and community, why would any Muslim think that this would have been possible in the Christian community? Originally, the Christians had a "book given to Jesus" but one day they woke up and their scripture had turned into a collection of writings by followers of Jesus and nobody realized the change, and nobody protested against it? Believing such a theory demands a lot of blind faith in the Qur'an. It is impossible. Anyone with the least bit of common sense will have to conclude that this cannot possibly have happened, and this implies that the author of the Qur'an simply made an error regarding the nature of the Christian Scripture. |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by malvisguy212: 5:22pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Skako: someone called himself a Muslim and killing innocent people,so what do u want us to do? we do not also support them bcs what they are during is wrong and will deny they bcs they said they are following some verses that is meant for that particular time that verses it's for bardir war and hud not for todayI don't even know were to start, you a soooo confused, in your sense, all hausa is a muslim? Trash!!! |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 5:24pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
joezakdeen: I pray the muslims will be convinced of the quranic manipulations. Muhammad was said to have received quranic revelations by recitations (Iqra). Allah himself was later referring to the quran as a "Book". Which Book did Allah send down? Is recitation the same as writing? Was Muhammad, an illiterate man able to read Book? When did the recitation turn to a Book? God have mercy o!!! |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by malvisguy212: 5:27pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
tijjanioyan: look at dis olodo u sure say u dey read ur bible wel so?my country pple if a grown up person dey waka 4 road &no wear any cloth no be mad prsn we go cal am?make una helep me take bible sharp sharp & read d book of 1st Sam 19vs 23-24.una go see am wia d spirit of dem xtian god dey enta prsn body & d prsn fall yakata 4ground,tear all him cloth begin dey prophesy wit him tin dey open.dat one no suprise me oo because d book of 1st Cor 1v 25 talk say sometime dia god go dey do sko sko,even wit him sko sko condition he stil dey wise pass human beingsmuhammad is possessed, how can someone desive you guys that he is a prophet without any prove, what a shame. 2 Likes |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by joezakdeen(m): 6:02pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
dats y the bible clearly sayz ''lack of knowledge, my pple perish. They wil continue to kill demselves til they finish. ''he who pulls a knive dies by it. Muhamed killed, boko haram is continuing. Jesus wil neva pull a knife or cutlass wid the childish idea to fight fr God. We ar proud of him. His is worthy! |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by joezakdeen(m): 6:06pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
dats y the bible clearly sayz ''lack of knowledge, my pple perish. They wil continue to kill demselves til they finish. ''he who pulls a knive dies by it. Muhamed killed, boko haram is continuing. Jesus wil neva pull a knife or cutlass wid the childish idea to fight fr God. We ar proud of him. His is worthy! Muhamed which muslims said was revealed in d bible came to kill? Omg! The holy spirit deliver by way of healin, comfortin, nd spiritual rhelm manipulation. Which of dis features can muhamed depict? Mercy! They shud com nd feel the power of the holy spirit. |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by tijjanioyan: 6:40pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
truthman2012:ur faculty of reasoning is under slippers,go shower &sleep |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by joezakdeen(m): 6:49pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Muhamed which muslims said was revealed in d bible came to kill? Omg! The holy spirit deliver by way of healin, comfortin, nd spiritual rhelm manipulation. Which of dis features can muhamed depict? Mercy! They shud com nd feel the power of the holy. Hw can muhamed perform a miracle? Yet u bliv Him as d holy spirit. Respect the true power of God, comparin Him to a mere muhamed(man like me) mercy! |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 6:57pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
tijjanioyan: ur faculty of reasoning is under slippers,go shower &sleep Heyaa!! O ma se o. You still want to continue in your deception despite all the truth about islamic manipulations exposed? You have no excuse before God but unfortunately, it will be too late. God will have mercy on you. |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 9:52pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
malvisguy212: I don't even know were to start, you a soooo confused, in your sense, all hausa is a muslim? Trash!!!no but more than 80% are Muslim |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 10:44pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
malvisguy212: muhammad is possessed, how can someone desive you guys that he is a prophet without any prove, what a shame.haaaaaaaa there are more than thousand evidences if u are talking about miracle haaa is too plenty but these just a little . Splitting of the Moon *. Food Multiplication *. Water Multiplication *. Supplication for Rain *. Lights to guide Companions *. Crying of the stem of the Date-palm Tree *. Glorification of Allah by the Prophet's meals *. The explusion of a liar's corpse by the Earth *. The Speech of the Wolf *. The Prophet's Night Journey to Jerusalem and Ascent to the Heavens and so on for more click here http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/miracles_of_prophet_muhammad.htm these is miracle at the birth of the prophect Muhammad (SAW) 1. DATE AND TIME OF BIRTH 2. BEFORE BIRTH 3. MIRACLES AT THE TIME OF BIRTH 4. AFTER BIRTH for detail click here https://m.facebook.com/notes/prophet-muhammad-saw-the-last-and-greatest-of-all-prophets/12-miracles-at-the-birth-time-of-prophet-muhammad-peace-be-upon-him/10151622415324918 |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 10:50pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
joezakdeen: dats y the bible clearly sayz ''lack of knowledge, my pple perish. They wil continue to kill demselves til they finish. ''he who pulls a knive dies by it. Muhamed killed, boko haram is continuing. Jesus wil neva pull a knife or cutlass wid the childish idea to fight fr God. We ar proud of him. His is worthy!do u know the bold meaning bible pple are perish tanx God am not a buy bull pple we Muslims know that u xtian are behind bokoharam to reduce Muslim population |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by malvisguy212: 10:55pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Skako: haaaaaaaa there are more than thousand evidencesdeep inside you,you know it a lie. Splitting of the moon sound magical to me, how is that a benefit to mankind? Food multiplication but he died of food poisoning. only God can remove the sphel in you guys. |
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 11:00pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
truthman2012:according to ur bible narrate ur judgement day not according to ur pastor hoo and i will show u some error there |
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