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Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 5:43pm On Jul 15, 2014
Since Quran is claimed to be the word of all knowing perfect god, one expects it to be perfect and free of errors. Even one error in Quran is enough to prove it is not from God.

Quran 86:6-7
He was created from a fluid, ejected,Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs, Sahih International )

Yusuf Ali: He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:

Shakir: He is created of water pouring forth, Coming from between the back and the ribs This is an error and totally wrong. Sperm or even semen does not come from between backbone and the ribs. How is it possible that the creator who knows it all does not know where semen comes from. This one error is enough to prove that it was Muhammad making these Quran Ayas and are not revelations from any God.

That is a clear error from Allah. Sperm is not produced from between the backbone and the ribs. Science says it is produced from testicules. Why would Allah not know that simple science if he is the creator?

Quran 51:49 Sahih International
And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember.

Pickthall: And all things We have created by pairs, that haply ye may reflect.

Yusuf Ali: And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.

Shakir: And of everything We have created pairs that you may be mindful. This is another error. Everything is not in pairs.

That is incorrect. Many bacteria, protists, fungi, and plants reproduce asexually. Could that statement come from All-knowing God?

Quran 2:29
It is He Who (prepared the earth for your life before He gave you life, and) created all that is in the world for you (in order to create you - the human species - and make the earth suitable for your life); then He directed (His Knowledge, Will, Power, and Favor) to the heaven and formed it into seven heavens. He has full knowledge of everything.

That is a colossal error. Totally wrong sequence, earth was created way after Heaven was created. It is so well known to everybody in 21st century that no proof is required.

Quran 31:34
Indeed, Allah [alone] has knowledge of the Hour and sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs. And no soul perceives what it will earn tomorrow, and no soul perceives in what land it will die. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

This is wrong. Quran was written for all the times. Allah is not the only one who knows what's inside the womb? In 21st century, medical science can easily determine baby's gender

Quran 6:101
[He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.

Allah putting limits on himself?. We thought he could do anything. All he has to say is: "to be" and it should happen. Strange he could have Marry have a child without any companion, but for himself he needs a spouse. Muhammad while making it up did not realise what he was writing and putting limits to Allah's abilities.

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Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 10:37pm On Jul 15, 2014
truthman2012: Since Quran is claimed to be the word of all knowing perfect god, one expects it to be perfect and free of errors. Even one error in Quran is enough to prove it is not from God.

Quran 86:6-7
He was created from a fluid, ejected,Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs, Sahih International )

Yusuf Ali: He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:

Shakir: He is created of water pouring forth, Coming from between the back and the ribs This is an error and totally wrong. Sperm or even semen does not come from between backbone and the ribs. How is it possible that the creator who knows it all does not know where semen comes from. This one error is enough to prove that it was Muhammad making these Quran Ayas and are not revelations from any God.

That is a clear error from Allah. Sperm is not produced from between the backbone and the ribs. Science says it is produced from testicules. Why would Allah not know that simple science if he is the creator?
The Qur'an mentions in Surah Al-Tariq (chapter no. 86), verses 5-7; (86: 5-7)
"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted proceeding from between the back bone and the ribs".
In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, ie. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney exactly between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads continue their decent before birth to reach the scrotum outside the body through the inguinal canal. Even after the embryonic stage after the decent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply (from the Aorta) and lymphatic drainage which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs

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Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 10:50pm On Jul 15, 2014
truthman2012: Quran 51:49 Sahih International
And of all things We created two mates; perhaps you will remember.

Pickthall: And all things We have created by pairs, that haply ye may reflect.

Yusuf Ali: And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.

Shakir: And of everything We have created pairs that you may be mindful. This is another error. Everything is not in pairs.

That is incorrect. Many bacteria, protists, fungi, and plants reproduce asexually. Could that statement come from All-knowing God?
Yusuf Ali:
[051:049] And of every thingWe have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.
Sher Ali:[051:049] And of everything haveWE created pairsthat you may reflect.
Shakir:[051:049] And of everythingWe have created pairsthat you may be mindful.
Arabic (from right to left):‏51:49
In this Noble Verse, we see Allah Almighty Declaring that of everything that He created,He Created pairs or two kinds for them. This Noble Verse does not speak about sexual reproduction. It clearly and indisputably Says that of every kind of creation out there, two kinds of this creation/species exist. To us, we might think of them asmales and females, but this is not always correct, for there are asexual (sexless) creations, such as the Angels, that Allah Almighty mentioned in the Glorious Quran:
"Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)?(The Noble Quran, 37:150)"
"And they make into females angelswho themselves serve God. Did they witness their creation? Their evidence will be recorded, and they will be called to account!(The Noble Quran, 43:19)"
"Those who believe not in the Hereafter,name the angels with female names.(The Noble Quran, 53:27)"
So what does"everything" ()then mean inNoble Verse 51:49? If Angels are excluded, then obviously,"everything"here could not be applied to all of the Creations of Allah Almighty. So to me, this Noble Verse is speaking about the things that are created from dust, like us humans,and the things that exist on planet earth and other similar planets.This is further supported in the following Noble Verses:
Noble Verse(s) 21:30
Yusuf Ali:
[021:030] Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?We made from water every living thing.Will they not then believe?
Arabic (from right to left):‏21:30
How can the Angels and the Jinns be made alive with water when they were created from light and fire respectively?
"And the Jinn race, We had created before,from the fire of a scorching wind.(The Noble Quran, 15:27)"
"'A'isha reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:The Angels were born out of light and the Jinns were born out of the spark of fireand Adam was born as he has been defined (in the Qur'an) for you (i. e. he is fashioned out of clay).(Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 42: The Book Pertaining to Piety and Softening of Hearts (Kitab Al-Zuhd wa Al-Raqa'iq), Number 71:34)
and u can click this link for more detail
http://www.answering-christianity.com/of_everything_pairs_are_created.htm
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 11:10pm On Jul 15, 2014
truthman2012:
Quran 2:29
It is He Who (prepared the earth for your life before He gave you life, and) created all that is in the world for you (in order to create you - the human species - and make the earth suitable for your life); then He directed (His Knowledge, Will, Power, and Favor) to the heaven and formed it into seven heavens. He has full knowledge of everything.

That is a colossal error. Totally wrong sequence, earth was created way after Heaven was created. It is so well known to everybody in 21st century that no proof is required.
He it is Who created for youall that is on earth.Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavensand He is the All-Knower of everything.”- The Noble Quran 2:29 (Muhsin Khan)
These are the points to be noted here: -
1.Nowhere does Allah say here that he made Earth first and then he made heaven. He merely says that he made all that is on earth and then he turned to heaven that was already created. If Allah had really created heavenAFTERhe created the earth then why would he say“Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven”?After the creation of earth, how can he“Istawa (rise over) towards the heaven”when he hasn’t created it yet in the first place. The only possible explanation for this is that Heaven and Earth were already created.
Does this verse say Allah created the Earth? No! This verse talks only about the “things on earth” and not earth itself!
2.This verse doesn’t even refer to the creation of the earth. Does Allah say that he created earth in this verse? Read again. This verse only says that Allah created “all that is on earth”. Meaning, Earth wasALREADY CREATEDby Allah and in this verse Allah is talking only about theTHINGS PRESENT ON EARTH AND NOT EARTH ITSELF. So your allegation that the Quran says that God created Earth first and then Heaven is totally false and does not hold any ground because this verse doesn’t talk about Allah creating the Earth at all
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 11:17pm On Jul 15, 2014
truthman2012: Quran 31:34
Indeed, Allah [alone] has knowledge of the Hour and sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs. And no soul perceives what it will earn tomorrow, and no soul perceives in what land it will die. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

This is wrong. Quran was written for all the times. Allah is not the only one who knows what's inside the womb? In 21st century, medical science can easily determine baby's gender
Your question is about the last verse of Surah Luqman. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): in this verse:{Verily Allah, with Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-Aware (of things).}[31: 34].
This verse states and identifies the five things of the unseen that are peculiar to Allah only and nobody else can know them. These things are:
First, the knowledge of the Hour of the Last Day, i.e. knowledge of when it will come. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning):{They ask you about the Hour (Day of Resurrection): "When will be its appointed time?" Say: "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord (Alone). None can reveal its time but He. …}[7: 187].
Second, sending down the rain, i.e. Allah is the Only One who can send down rain and who knows when it will be sent. It should be mentioned here the weather reporters might forecast when the rain is going to fall. But their forecast is founded on probabilities not on certainty.
Third, Allah is the One Who "Knows that which is in the wombs!" He Knows the gender of fetus (male or female). He Knows whether this fetus will be a good person or a bad one, whether he will live happily or otherwise. The fact that doctors can now know the sex of the fetus while in the womb is not in contradiction with the verse:{"And (He) Knows that which in the wombs"}: The Knowledge of Allah regarding this fetus is anterior to the fetus' formation in its mother's womb. In fact, doctors can define the sex of the fetus only in the build up stage but not in the emanation one. The semen goes through two stages. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {Allâh knows what every female bears, and by how much the wombs fall short (of their time or number) or exceed. …} [13: 8].
So, Allah kept the knowledge of the semen emanation stage as part of the unseen. The evidence for this is the Hadith reported byal-BukharifromAbdullah Ibn Umarthat the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: Allah's Apostle said,"The keys of unseen are five which none knows but Allah: None knows what will happen tomorrow but Allah; none knows what is in the wombs (a male child or a female) but Allah; none knows when it will rain but Allah; none knows at what place one will die; none knows when the Hour will be established but Allah".
So, what Allah kept in the unseen as far as the semen is concerned is the stage when the womb falls short of its time or number not the build up stage. This is whatIbn Katheermentioned before modern medicine.
Fourth, Allah Says (interpretation of meaning):{… No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. …}[31: 34].
That means no soul can determine what it will get tomorrow from this world.
Fifth,{… and no person knows in what land he will die …}[31: 34].
No soul knows where Allah will cause its death.
As for whether Allah Gives any of the knowledge of the unseen to His Prophets, the answer is given in the following verse:{"(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Ghâ'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Ghâ'ib (unseen)." Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), …}[72: 26-27].
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 11:28pm On Jul 15, 2014
truthman2012: Quran 6:101
[He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.

Allah putting limits on himself?. We thought he could do anything. All he has to say is: "to be" and it should happen. Strange he could have Marry have a child without any companion, but for himself he needs a spouse. Muhammad while making it up did not realise what he was writing and putting limits to Allah's abilities.
Let us look at Noble Verse39:4"Had Allah wished to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those (from His creation) whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible."
Let us look at Noble Verse6:101"To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things."
I see no contradiction from the Noble Verses above.
According to 2:116, it is blasphemy to say that Allah begot a son. If that were true, He shold have had a wife (6:101), and His son would have been of the same kind as Himself; whereas Allah Almighty is One, with no one else like unto Him (112:4). Begetting is an animal act which goes with sex. How can it be consistent with our conception of One who is above all Creatures? If such a blasphemous thought were possible, as that Allah wanted some one else to help Him,He could have chosen the best of His creaturesinstead of lowering Himself to an animal act. But glory to Allah !. He is above such things !. His Unity is the first thing that we have to learn about Him. As He is Omnipotent, He requires no creatures to help Him or bring other creatures to Him.

I hope hav solved ur problem? Tanx
Islam is the way so turn to ur creator (ALLAH)
Alhamdulilha that am a Muslim
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by larrymoore(m): 11:44pm On Jul 15, 2014
Brother skako! U ve tried ur best to clarify the issue but the op will not see any reason in it, he spread anti islam msgs. The end justifies the means.
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 9:25am On Jul 16, 2014
Skako:
The Qur'an mentions in Surah Al-Tariq (chapter no. 86), verses 5-7; (86: 5-7)
Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted proceeding from between the back bone and the ribs.
In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, ie. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney exactly between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads continue their decent before birth to reach the scrotum outside the body through the inguinal canal. Even after the embryonic stage after the decent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply (from the Aorta) and lymphatic drainage which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs

Sorry, your explanation does not answer the question.

The question is:where is the sperm produced? The bolded is irrelevant in this case because it applies to only the development of the testicles before they are fully formed. Once the testicles are fully formed, they take over the duty of producing sperms. Therefore sperm is not produced between the backbone and ribs according to the quran but from testicles. Because a baby develops from embryo, do you call the baby an embryo when he/she is already born? Once an embryo has developed into a baby it is no more an embryo but a baby. Why should Allah say sperm is produced from between the backbone and rips instead of simply saying from testicles? Be honest to yourself, if you are asked the question in an exam: where is sperm produced? What should be your answer? From between the backbone and the rips?

I tell you the truth, Allah is not a good scientist.

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Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 9:39am On Jul 16, 2014
Skako: Yusuf Ali:
[051:049] And of every thingWe have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.
Sher Ali:[051:049] And of everything haveWE created pairsthat you may reflect.
Shakir:[051:049] And of everythingWe have created pairsthat you may be mindful.
Arabic (from right to left):‏51:49
In this Noble Verse, we see Allah Almighty Declaring that of everything that He created,He Created pairs or two kinds for them. This Noble Verse does not speak about sexual reproduction. It clearly and indisputably Says that of every kind of creation out there, two kinds of this creation/species exist. To us, we might think of them asmales and females, but this is not always correct, for there are asexual (sexless) creations, such as the Angels, that Allah Almighty mentioned in the Glorious Quran:
"Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)?(The Noble Quran, 37:150)"
"And they make into females angelswho themselves serve God. Did they witness their creation? Their evidence will be recorded, and they will be called to account!(The Noble Quran, 43:19)"
"Those who believe not in the Hereafter,name the angels with female names.(The Noble Quran, 53:27)"
So what does"everything" ()then mean inNoble Verse 51:49? If Angels are excluded, then obviously,"everything"here could not be applied to all of the Creations of Allah Almighty. So to me, this Noble Verse is speaking about the things that are created from dust, like us humans,and the things that exist on planet earth and other similar planets.This is further supported in the following Noble Verses:
Noble Verse(s) 21:30
Yusuf Ali:
[021:030] Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?We made from water every living thing.Will they not then believe?
Arabic (from right to left):‏21:30
How can the Angels and the Jinns be made alive with water when they were created from light and fire respectively?
"And the Jinn race, We had created before,from the fire of a scorching wind.(The Noble Quran, 15:27)"
"'A'isha reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:The Angels were born out of light and the Jinns were born out of the spark of fireand Adam was born as he has been defined (in the Qur'an) for you (i. e. he is fashioned out of clay).(Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 42: The Book Pertaining to Piety and Softening of Hearts (Kitab Al-Zuhd wa Al-Raqa'iq), Number 71:34)
and u can click this link for more detail
http://www.answering-christianity.com/of_everything_pairs_are_created.htm

This defence is very weak. We are talking about Allah saying things were created in pairs, meaning everything was created in 'two', i.e male and female. What we are saying is that those asexual beings have no pairs, e.g bacteria, protists, fungi, and plants. Therefore it is incorrect for Allah to say he created everything in pairs. It shows he is not the creator as the creator is expected to know what he created.

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Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by onetrack(m): 9:39am On Jul 16, 2014
Skako: He it is Who created for youall that is on earth.Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavensand He is the All-Knower of everything.”- The Noble Quran 2:29 (Muhsin Khan)
These are the points to be noted here: -
1.Nowhere does Allah say here that he made Earth first and then he made heaven. He merely says that he made all that is on earth and then he turned to heaven that was already created. If Allah had really created heavenAFTERhe created the earth then why would he say“Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven”?After the creation of earth, how can he“Istawa (rise over) towards the heaven”when he hasn’t created it yet in the first place. The only possible explanation for this is that Heaven and Earth were already created.
Does this verse say Allah created the Earth? No! This verse talks only about the “things on earth” and not earth itself!
2.This verse doesn’t even refer to the creation of the earth. Does Allah say that he created earth in this verse? Read again. This verse only says that Allah created “all that is on earth”. Meaning, Earth wasALREADY CREATEDby Allah and in this verse Allah is talking only about theTHINGS PRESENT ON EARTH AND NOT EARTH ITSELF. So your allegation that the Quran says that God created Earth first and then Heaven is totally false and does not hold any ground because this verse doesn’t talk about Allah creating the Earth at all

As it is written, things 'on the earth' were created before the heavens, implying that the earth was already there. Anyhow you look at it, the heavens were created after things on the earth.
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Rendezvou: 9:44am On Jul 16, 2014
Skako: Let us look at Noble Verse39:4"Had Allah wished to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those (from His creation) whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible."
Let us look at Noble Verse6:101"To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things."
I see no contradiction from the Noble Verses above.
According to 2:116, it is blasphemy to say that Allah begot a son. If that were true, He shold have had a wife (6:101), and His son would have been of the same kind as Himself; whereas Allah Almighty is One, with no one else like unto Him (112:4). Begetting is an animal act which goes with sex. How can it be consistent with our conception of One who is above all Creatures? If such a blasphemous thought were possible, as that Allah wanted some one else to help Him,He could have chosen the best of His creaturesinstead of lowering Himself to an animal act. But glory to Allah !. He is above such things !. His Unity is the first thing that we have to learn about Him. As He is Omnipotent, He requires no creatures to help Him or bring other creatures to Him.

I hope hav solved ur problem? Tanx
Islam is the way so turn to ur creator (ALLAH)
Alhamdulilha that am a Muslim
why did Allah not know or understand that the 'son' Christians attribute to him is not one by consort? Why did he not know 'begotten son' used by Christians does not mean he had a wife or sex mate? I thought Allah is all-knowing.

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Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 9:52am On Jul 16, 2014
Skako: He it is Who created for youall that is on earth.Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavensand He is the All-Knower of everything.”- The Noble Quran 2:29 (Muhsin Khan)
These are the points to be noted here: -
1.Nowhere does Allah say here that he made Earth first and then he made heaven. He merely says that he made all that is on earth and then he turned to heaven that was already created. If Allah had really created heavenAFTERhe created the earth then why would he say“Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven”?After the creation of earth, how can he“Istawa (rise over) towards the heaven”when he hasn’t created it yet in the first place. The only possible explanation for this is that Heaven and Earth were already created.
Does this verse say Allah created the Earth? No! This verse talks only about the “things on earth” and not earth itself!
2.This verse doesn’t even refer to the creation of the earth. Does Allah say that he created earth in this verse? Read again. This verse only says that Allah created “all that is on earth”. Meaning, Earth wasALREADY CREATEDby Allah and in this verse Allah is talking only about theTHINGS PRESENT ON EARTH AND NOT EARTH ITSELF. So your allegation that the Quran says that God created Earth first and then Heaven is totally false and does not hold any ground because this verse doesn’t talk about Allah creating the Earth at all

Your explanation here is not a sincere one.

Quran 2:29
It is He Who (prepared the earth for your life before He gave you life, and) created all that is in the world for you (in order to create you - the human species - and make the earth suitable for your life); then He directed (His Knowledge, Will, Power, and Favor) to the heaven [b]and formed it [/b]into seven heavens. He has full knowledge of everything.

According to Allah, after creating the earth, he turned to heaven and FORMED (CREATED) IT into seven. He created the earth first before he turned to heaven to form it into seven. There is no other interpretation you can give to it than that Allah created the earth first before he created OR COMPLETED the creation of heaven. No doubt, this is a wrong order of creation. Would the true God not know the order he created the earth and heaven?

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Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by onetrack(m): 9:54am On Jul 16, 2014
The Quran also mistakenly identifies Mary as part of the Christian Trinity: "And when God said, ‘O Jesus son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, 'Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God'?" Quran 5:116

Christians have never taken Mary as a god alongside Jesus and God. This is a misunderstanding of the trinity by Muhammad.


Also the Quran says that the Jews believe that the prophet Ezra was the son of God. "The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded" Quran 9:30

Jews have never believed that any man has been the son of God. Another clear misunderstanding by Muhammad.

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Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 10:31am On Jul 16, 2014
onetrack:

As it is written, things 'on the earth' were created before the heavens, implying that the earth was already there. Anyhow you look at it, the heavens were created after things on the earth.

Written by who and where?
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 10:46am On Jul 16, 2014
Skako: Let us look at Noble Verse39:4"Had Allah wished to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those (from His creation) whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible."
Let us look at Noble Verse6:101"To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things."
I see no contradiction from the Noble Verses above.
According to 2:116, it is blasphemy to say that Allah begot a son. If that were true, He shold have had a wife (6:101), and His son would have been of the same kind as Himself; whereas Allah Almighty is One, with no one else like unto Him (112:4). Begetting is an animal act which goes with sex. How can it be consistent with our conception of One who is above all Creatures? If such a blasphemous thought were possible, as that Allah wanted some one else to help Him,He could have chosen the best of His creaturesinstead of lowering Himself to an animal act. But glory to Allah !. He is above such things !. His Unity is the first thing that we have to learn about Him. As He is Omnipotent, He requires no creatures to help Him or bring other creatures to Him.

I hope hav solved ur problem? Tanx
Islam is the way so turn to ur creator (ALLAH)
Alhamdulilha that am a Muslim

Firstly, Allah is not the creator because he didn't know the order of creation.

The muslims give the Sonship of God carnal interpretation. They look at it from biological perspectives. To be God's son is not a biological birth but spiritual. God can get anything by anything as it pleases Him. And this casts doubt as to who the sender of Gabriel that spoke to Muhammad was. God's Gabriel that appeared to Mary said the son she would give birth to shall be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35). Another spirit came about 650 years later, who also introduced himself as Gabriel to Muhammad said "God does not beget and neither is he begotten". It takes only a little bit of intelligence to discover that it was not God's Gabriel who spoke to Mary that spoke to Muhammad, otherwise he would not contradict himself.

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Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by onetrack(m): 11:31am On Jul 16, 2014
truthman2012:

Written by who and where?

I'm saying that the way the Quran is written, it says that the things on earth were created before the heavens, therefore the Quran is wrong.
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by tijjanioyan: 2:22pm On Jul 16, 2014
Skako: Your question is about the last verse of Surah Luqman. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): in this verse:{Verily Allah, with Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-Aware (of things).}[31: 34].
This verse states and identifies the five things of the unseen that are peculiar to Allah only and nobody else can know them. These things are:
First, the knowledge of the Hour of the Last Day, i.e. knowledge of when it will come. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning):{They ask you about the Hour (Day of Resurrection): "When will be its appointed time?" Say: "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord (Alone). None can reveal its time but He. …}[7: 187].
Second, sending down the rain, i.e. Allah is the Only One who can send down rain and who knows when it will be sent. It should be mentioned here the weather reporters might forecast when the rain is going to fall. But their forecast is founded on probabilities not on certainty.
Third, Allah is the One Who "Knows that which is in the wombs!" He Knows the gender of fetus (male or female). He Knows whether this fetus will be a good person or a bad one, whether he will live happily or otherwise. The fact that doctors can now know the sex of the fetus while in the womb is not in contradiction with the verse:{"And (He) Knows that which in the wombs"}: The Knowledge of Allah regarding this fetus is anterior to the fetus' formation in its mother's womb. In fact, doctors can define the sex of the fetus only in the build up stage but not in the emanation one. The semen goes through two stages. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {Allâh knows what every female bears, and by how much the wombs fall short (of their time or number) or exceed. …} [13: 8].
So, Allah kept the knowledge of the semen emanation stage as part of the unseen. The evidence for this is the Hadith reported byal-BukharifromAbdullah Ibn Umarthat the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: Allah's Apostle said,"The keys of unseen are five which none knows but Allah: None knows what will happen tomorrow but Allah; none knows what is in the wombs (a male child or a female) but Allah; none knows when it will rain but Allah; none knows at what place one will die; none knows when the Hour will be established but Allah".
So, what Allah kept in the unseen as far as the semen is concerned is the stage when the womb falls short of its time or number not the build up stage. This is whatIbn Katheermentioned before modern medicine.
Fourth, Allah Says (interpretation of meaning):{… No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. …}[31: 34].
That means no soul can determine what it will get tomorrow from this world.
Fifth,{… and no person knows in what land he will die …}[31: 34].
No soul knows where Allah will cause its death.
As for whether Allah Gives any of the knowledge of the unseen to His Prophets, the answer is given in the following verse:{"(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Ghâ'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Ghâ'ib (unseen)." Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), …}[72: 26-27].
tanx bro,pls help ask d ogbeni quran reviewer dat hav scientists invented a device dat can reveal d sex of an egg?lets use a fowl egg as case study:if what is In d egg is...a hen,cock,white or black,red or other mixed colours.some pple think quran is just like other books which they can read tru d translation &start makin senseles comments.besides it takes yrs of hard work 2study d (tafsir)interpretation of d holy quran.
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 3:20pm On Jul 16, 2014
larrymoore: Brother skako! U ve tried ur best to clarify the issue but the op will not see any reason in it, he spread anti islam msgs. The end justifies the means.
tanx bros
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 3:51pm On Jul 16, 2014
truthman2012: .
u are too dull and ur problem is how to express simple English,
u are just arguing blindly because the rebuttal is very clear and match,even if u recite it to the blind he/she will tell u the meaning

Q3vs7
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

Q2vs8
Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 3:58pm On Jul 16, 2014
truthman2012: .
u are too dull and ur problem is how to express simple English,
u are just arguing blindly because the rebuttal is very clear and match,even if u recite it to the blind he/she will tell u the meaning

Q3vs7
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

Q2vs8
Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).
alhamdulilha that am a muslim
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 6:19pm On Jul 16, 2014
onetrack:

I'm saying that the way the Quran is written, it says that the things on earth were created before the heavens, therefore the Quran is wrong.

Thanks and God bless you.
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by malvisguy212: 6:30pm On Jul 16, 2014
God bless you truthman. If only this muslims will understand the quran more.
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 6:33pm On Jul 16, 2014
tijjanioyan: tanx bro,pls help ask d ogbeni quran reviewer dat hav scientists invented a device dat can reveal d sex of an egg?lets use a fowl egg as case study:if what is In d egg is...a hen,cock,white or black,red or other mixed colours.some pple think quran is just like other books which they can read tru d translation &start makin senseles comments.besides it takes yrs of hard work 2study d (tafsir)interpretation of d holy quran.

Why should God make his word so difficult for man to understand to the extent that it takes YEARS OF HARD STUDY to interpret? It only shows Allah does not want muslims to understand him perfectly for manipulative reason.

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Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 7:09pm On Jul 16, 2014
Skako: u are too dull and ur problem is how to express simple English,
u are just arguing blindly because the rebuttal is very clear and match,even if u recite it to the blind he/she will tell u the meaning

Q3vs7
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

Q2vs8
Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

There is no doubt that the quran is full of spiritual manipulations. It is He who sent down to you (O Muhammad the Book. Was the quran sent as a Book? Was Muhammad literate to read BOOK? You muslims say it was sent by recitation (Iqra). When did it become a Book?

I pity your condition, friend. Islam is manipulative.

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Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 7:21pm On Jul 16, 2014
malvisguy212: God bless you truthman. If only this muslims will understand the quran more.

Thank you brother.

The Bible describes the Devil as a strong man. If he binds anyone only God can deliver him.

In China according to CCTV news, there was a time the youths were setting themselves on fire. They were manipulated by the prophet of their religion that anybody who set himself ablaze will be honourable in heaven. It became a serious problem to the Chinese government as many young people were setting themselves on fire. The government had to station fire fighters on streets. They showed some boys who were rescued from fire and taken to the hospital. I tell you the truth, the Devil is a strong man, it is only the born again Christians who know their right in Christ he cannot manipulate.

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Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by malvisguy212: 8:05pm On Jul 16, 2014
truthman2012:

Thank you brother.

The Bible describes the Devil as a strong man. If he binds anyone only God can deliver him.

In China according to CCTV news, there was a time the youths were setting themselves on fire. They were manipulated by the prophet of their religion that anybody who set himself ablaze will be honourable in heaven. It became a serious problem to the Chinese government as many young people were setting themselves on fire. The government had to station fire fighters on streets. They showed some boys who were rescued from fire and taken to the hospital. I tell you the truth, the Devil is a strong man, it is only the born again Christians who know their right in Christ he cannot manipulate.

Early Muslim tradition records the fact
that when Muhammad was about to
receive a revelation from Allah, he would
often fall down on the ground, his body
would jerk, his eyes would roll backward,
and he would perspire profusely. (3) The scriptures define such an experience
with a boy who was demon possessed: (Mark 9:18-20 KJV) And wheresoever he (the demon) taketh
him, he teareth him: and he
foameth, and gnasheth with his
teeth, and pineth away: and I spake
to thy disciples that they should cast
him (the demon) out; and they could not. He answereth him, and saith, O
faithless generation, how long shall
I be with you? how long shall I
suffer you? bring him unto me. And
they brought him unto him: and
when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the
ground, and wallowed foaming.

ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE THEM.
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 8:16pm On Jul 16, 2014
truthman2012:

There is no doubt that the quran is full of spiritual manipulations. It is He who sent down to you (O Muhammad the Book. Was the quran sent as a Book? Was Muhammad literate to read BOOK? You muslims say it was sent by recitation (Iqra). When did it become a Book?

I pity your condition, friend. Islam is manipulative.
do u think u can understand quran as ur incomplete story book that u call buy bull
in Islam u cann't do anything without proof but in xtian no proof
u can quote me wrong with these

(1) tell me step to follow if i want to marry

(2)how to do naming ceremony

(3)funeral

(4)how female can become bishop

(5)and where and when did Jesus say worship or i brought Christian religion for u

pls support it with biblical verses


guy u are arguing on what u don't know but if u want know more about it i will make a thread on it
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 8:36pm On Jul 16, 2014
truthman2012:

Thank you brother.

The Bible describes the Devil as a strong man. If he binds anyone only God can deliver him.

In China according to CCTV news, there was a time the youths were setting themselves on fire. They were manipulated by the prophet of their religion that anybody who set himself ablaze will be honourable in heaven. It became a serious problem to the Chinese government as many young people were setting themselves on fire. The government had to station fire fighters on streets. They showed some boys who were rescued from fire and taken to the hospital. I tell you the truth, the Devil is a strong man, it is only the born again Christians who know their right in Christ he cannot manipulate.

guy u are just displaying ur ignorance what u are saying is bigot
ALLAH says in Glorious quran
4:29
O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful.
Do u want to tell me that this verse is not meant for them
guy don't make any thread again bcs u know nothing about Islam
and u are just disgracing ur self
moreover am convert Muslim from xtian i swear to Almighty ALLAH

from ur what so call buy bull u can use a single verse to deceive if u want my past in xtianity and present in Islam i will tell u even my address to talk if my ALLAH will save u also
that is y behind my post u will see
this sentence there

Alhamdulilha that am a Muslim

by ALLAH grace i will live as Muslim and die as Muslim
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 9:29pm On Jul 16, 2014
malvisguy212: Early Muslim tradition records the fact
that when Muhammad was about to
receive a revelation from Allah, he would
often fall down on the ground, his body
would jerk, his eyes would roll backward,
and he would perspire profusely. (3) The scriptures define such an experience
with a boy who was demon possessed: (Mark 9:18-20 KJV) And wheresoever he (the demon) taketh
him, he teareth him: and he
foameth, and gnasheth with his
teeth, and pineth away: and I spake
to thy disciples that they should cast
him (the demon) out; and they could not. He answereth him, and saith, O
faithless generation, how long shall
I be with you? how long shall I
suffer you? bring him unto me. And
they brought him unto him: and
when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the
ground, and wallowed foaming.

ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE THEM.

God bless you my brother.

You have painted the true picture. None of God's true prophets was fallen down to receive messages. Such is demonic.
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 9:32pm On Jul 16, 2014
Skako: guy u are just displaying ur ignorance what u are saying is bigot
ALLAH says in Glorious quran
4:29
O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful.
Do u want to tell me that this verse is not meant for them
guy don't make any thread again bcs u know nothing about Islam
and u are just disgracing ur self
moreover am convert Muslim from xtian i swear to Almighty ALLAH

from ur what so call buy bull u can use a single verse to deceive if u want my past in xtianity and present in Islam i will tell u even my address to talk if my ALLAH will save u also
that is y behind my post u will see
this sentence there

Alhamdulilha that am a Muslim

by ALLAH grace i will live as Muslim and die as Muslim

The prophecy of Jesus is fulfilled in you: many shall fall from faith.
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by truthman2012(m): 9:35pm On Jul 16, 2014
Skako: do u think u can understand quran as ur incomplete story book that u call buy bull
in Islam u cann't do anything without proof but in xtian no proof
u can quote me wrong with these

(1) tell me step to follow if i want to marry

(2)how to do naming ceremony

(3)funeral

(4)how female can become bishop

(5)and where and when did Jesus say worship or i brought Christian religion for u

pls support it with biblical verses


guy u are arguing on what u don't know but if u want know more about it i will make a thread on it

Trash!!!
Re: Quranic Statements Under Review by Skako(m): 9:50pm On Jul 16, 2014
truthman2012:

The prophecy of Jesus is fulfilled in you: many shall fall from faith.
u hav not answer my questions

hav u seen any Muslim that married dog?
NO
but in xtianity they are lot

pls who brought xtianity?
is he Jesus?if he's Jesus pls the name of the church he built
support it with biblical verses


and did Jesus sing or dance or collect tithe or plane and so on

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