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Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by cyrexx: 12:22pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: You have to give the guy some credit. He is logically better, if not the best, than most theists here. I enjoy reading his posts, even if I disagree with most of them and I detest some of his tactics. |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by UyiIredia(m): 12:25pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
cyrexx:These sets of instructions are stored on drives as chemicals. In older computers punch cars and diodes were the softwares. Now pits on CD"s and electric charges in minute transistors (made up of specific chemicals) are the physical format in which softwares are stored. Seun can confirm what I have written. 1 Like |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by cyrexx: 12:33pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
UyiIredia: These sets of instructions are stored on drives as chemicals. In older computers punch cars and diodes were the softwares. Now pits on CD"s and electric charges in minute transistors (made up of specific chemicals) are the physical format in which softwares are stored. Seun can confirm what I have written. Those punch cards, diodes, CDs and other chemicals you refer to are merely the containers of the informations (software), they are not the (informations) softwares. Just like books are nothing more than containers of the informations therein. 1 Like |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by MrAnony1(m): 12:34pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
cyrexx:I didn't go anywhere. I'm just tired of saying the same things over and over again. I'll just watch this one. |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by cyrexx: 12:35pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
Conversely, the physical human brain is the container for the immaterial human mind, so to speak. 1 Like |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by cyrexx: 12:36pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
MrAnony1: Okay dokey. |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by MrAnony1(m): 12:42pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
cyrexx:I totally agree with you here but this is what surprises me; Would you say that it is possible for immaterial information such as is software to begin to exist without a creative mind bringing it to be? Think very carefully about this. |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by Nobody: 12:45pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
UyiIredia: Nah. People like me are simply smart enough to know the limits of technology within natural law. Scientists dreams of time travel, resurrecting dead humans etc are hogwash. However, some (like turning lead into gold) can be achieved.What is natural law? Time travel is possible. How then is alchemy possible? |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by Nobody: 12:46pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
UyiIredia: Yes. Apparently, your IQ's dropped a notch. The analogy is clear. Humans are conscious and computers arent and can never be.Na me be dey drop the one , one like but @ the bolded, I think the future of Cybernetics is still evolving !! The vastness of Human Knowledge will amount to nothing when our Star burn out its fuel and this galaxy got de-orbited !!! Welldone Uyi, keep bashing these ignorants !! 1 Like |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by TheBigUrban2: 12:51pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
timmy2409: You are right....I didnt originally mean it like that....that is why I said "most". I didnt want to go into deep scientific analysis Thanks |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by TheBigUrban2: 12:53pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
MrAnony1: And all creative minds we have come across so far have a physical brain powering it. Please note that before you somehow try to twist this into an argument for an intelligent designer God |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by UyiIredia(m): 12:55pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
MrAnony1:In the mind of its maker the software is immaterial (same as its utility, and satisfaction derivable from it) though mediated for by certain neurons. But just as thoughts are mediated by the brain softwares are ALWAYS mediated by the storage drives on which they are stored. The problem is this.: atheists ALWAYS take advantage of the fact that the human mnd is based on a material brain to say the mind is material. I wassurprised a cyrexsx was stating nonsense of softwares being immaterial. It doesnt help his position. |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by Nobody: 12:55pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
Its simple : most of everything they have actually done with computer is stolen from Human Science ..... I know they are working to steal consciousness too ....... and Humanbeing (The system) and His Algorithm(mind) was never designed by anybody They will never learn !! |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by cyrexx: 12:56pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
MrAnony1: This question of origin is the mystery of the ages. A true scientist is not ashamed to say "I don't know" to what he doesn't know. While a religious person will readily give his answers to what he doesn't really know. To answer your question. I don't know. Maybe further scientific discoveries will shed more light on the true origins of this. Maybe we'll never know. It's possible that the information was initially written by a more complex creative mind and it's copied generation to generation to be what it is today. The creative mind just happen to always be or it was designed by a greater creative mind. Or the information has always been, just like we assume the creative mind has always been. Nobody really knows. 2 Likes |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by TheBigUrban2: 12:57pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
donroxy: Its simple : most of everything they have actually done with computer is stolen from Human Science ..... And if we were designed by aliens as propounded by the prometheus movie, are aliens the same as Yahweh? |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by MrAnony1(m): 12:58pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
UyiIredia: In the mind of its maker the software is immaterial (same as its utility, and satisfaction derivable from it) though mediated for by certain neurons. But just as thoughts are mediated by the brain softwares are ALWAYS mediated by the storage drives on which they are stored. The problem is this.: atheists ALWAYS take advantage of the fact that the human mnd is based on a material brain to say the mind is material. I wassurprised a cyrexsx was stating nonsense of softwares being immaterial. It doesnt help his position.I don't think that Cyrexx was saying nonsense when he said that the mind is immaterial 1 Like |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by Nobody: 12:59pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:Is yahweh not an alien ? |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by UyiIredia(m): 1:06pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
cyrexx:The problem is that a scientists will say I dont know when a good answer has been given by religion. A good one is the universe's beginning. If you follow mainstream science sites, you should be aware scientists are now proposing that the universe must be infinite because the evidence of the universe not being formed by chance is considerable. Now the evidence they are looking for is one that confirms an eternal multiverse of whcich our universe sis a part. Google 'multiverse theory' 1 Like |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by UyiIredia(m): 1:07pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
MrAnony1:I said softwares not mind. I agree that the mind is immaterial. If he believes the human mind is immaterial then there's a gap in his atheism. Because atheism is an inherently materialistic philosophy. 1 Like |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by UyiIredia(m): 1:10pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
donroxy: Na me be dey drop the one , one like but @ the bolded, I think the future of Cybernetics is still evolving !!SO you think computers can become conscious ?! That means computers will be able to love, hate, invent, forget, die etc these are hallmarks of conscious beings. They cant feel that. AT most they can only behave as humans do but they will never have the human ability to feel or even have dreams. |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by cyrexx: 1:12pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
UyiIredia: The problem is that a scientists will say I dont know when a good answer has been given by religion. A good one is the universe's beginning. If you follow mainstream science sites, you should be aware scientists are now proposing that the universe must be infinite because the evidence of the universe not being formed by chance is considerable. Now the evidence they are looking for is one that confirms an eternal multiverse of whcich our universe sis a part. Google 'multiverse theory' Which answer given by which religion among myriads of religion? Isn't it funny that the religion of your parents just happens to be right one. And all others are wrong. I know about Multiverse Theory . Interesting. But I must ask which of your prophets or holy book authors ever conceived this in his wildest imaginations, before the scientists brought it to fore? |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by MrAnony1(m): 1:13pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
cyrexx:That's a fair answer but all I ask is that we must now be consistent. If you are saying that you don't know if information is created by a mind or not, you must then apply that skepticism to everywhere you come across information. i.e. You don't know if books came from the creative minds of authors or not, you don't know if websites such as nairaland.com have mindful creators or not, you don't know if the message you are currently reading came from a mind or not. Maybe further scientific discoveries will shed more light on the origin of information to tell us whether they come from minds or not. Again as always, I would urge you to think very carefully about the position you have chosen. 1 Like |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by cyrexx: 1:14pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
UyiIredia: SO you think computers can become conscious ?! That means computers will be able to love, hate, invent, forget, die etc these are hallmarks of conscious beings. They cant feel that. AT most they can only behave as humans do but they will never have the human ability to feel or even have dreams. Some people thinking like you 200 years ago said man can never fly. Need I say more? 1 Like |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by UyiIredia(m): 1:14pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
cyrexx:God is the creative mind I'm proposing. Start with a deist God. In the meantime I'm off. Bye ! |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by MrAnony1(m): 1:15pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
UyiIredia: I said softwares not mind. I agree that the mind is immaterial. If he believes the human mind is immaterial then there's a gap in his atheism. Because atheism is an inherently materialistic philosophy. He does: cyrexx: Conversely, the physical human brain is the container for the immaterial human mind, so to speak.https://www.nairaland.com/1814905/all-men-equal-under-god/1#24732052 I also don't think that he is wrong to say that software is immaterial. |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by cyrexx: 1:17pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
MrAnony1: Classic Anony, dear. I was talking of the ultimate origins, which no one knows and NOT the origins of websites or books which we know. Lol 2 Likes |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by Nobody: 1:20pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
UyiIredia: SO you think computers can become conscious ?! That means computers will be able to love, hate, invent, forget, die etc these are hallmarks of conscious beings. They cant feel that. AT most they can only behave as humans do but they will never have the human ability to feel or even have dreams.Consciousness simply implies wakefulness to your environment i.e ability to respond to stimuli which is a characteristics of living (as yo've observed) !! I don't wanna believe you people are reducing the definition of computer to laptops, desktops and PDAs .... .... That is why I said ''Cybernetics'' .... I believe Advancement in these knowledge can build consciousness into a system (computer) ........ |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by cyrexx: 1:21pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
UyiIredia: God is the creative mind I'm proposing. Start with a deist God. In the meantime I'm off. Bye ! Don't go until you define the more complex mind that must have created this your Deist God. Or else the logic you used to arrive at this conclusion is fatally faulty. |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by MrAnony1(m): 1:21pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
cyrexx:In that case you didn't answer my question. I didn't ask you about "ultimate origins", this is precisely what I asked you: "Would you say that it is possible for immaterial information such as is software to begin to exist without a creative mind bringing it to be?" Please answer. |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by cyrexx: 1:35pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
MrAnony1: For one, we don't know if it BEGIN to exist or it has ALWAYS BEEN. Even if it began to to exist, it might have begun as a non-complex information at first and increasing get more complex over the generations. My answer. If it began as complex as this.(Please note that I said if it BEGAN ...), then a creative mind (who must have been designed by a more creative and more complex mind) must have brought it to be. 1 Like |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by ifex370(m): 2:51pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: more like a convenant keeping one |
Re: All Men Are Equal Under God? by Nobody: 5:21pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
A belief in God is not needed to hold the view that all men are equal. The fact that we vary in terms of strength, size, abilities etc gives credence to the fact that men aren't actually equal. Matter of factly I do not hold the view that all men are equal though I believe firmly that all men need to be respected and treated fairly irrespective of the glaring inequalities. It matters not whether we look at it with respect to Faith or Logic because no matter how we look at it, we will always arrive at the same conclusion: All men are definitely not equal. Some are gifted more than others. |
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