Well some folks say God did... but did He?
the bible recorded that all God created was good, everything He did was good. Who then created the devil?


Lucifer created the devil out of himself. just as God created every human being good, but He cant be responsible for how some folks turn out, eg He is NOT responsible for the Suicide bombers, Killers, thieves etc.

Very correct!

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Gombs: Well some folks say God did... but did He?
the bible recorded that all God created was good, everything He did was good. Who then created the devil?


Lucifer created the devil out of himself. just as God created every human being good, but He cant be responsible for how some folks turn out, eg He is NOT responsible for the Suicide bombers, Killers, thieves etc.

But Angels have no mind of their own, they carry out God's will in heaven according to the bible, so where did the will to rebel and sin that came into the devil (Lucifer) come from?

Reference " The lord's prayer"

Don't you guys get tired of crucifying the innocent devil?

The human mind created the Devil just like it created 'God'.
Enough of the play on words people do in order to justify the existence of an imaginary God. What is the meaning of Lucifer created the devil?

Devil is the father of sin, because all sin began from the devil. For you to discover what happen in heaven you have to pray that God should reveal it to you so that you will know what make satan fell.

Wizemmanuel: Devil is the father of sin, because all sin began from the devil. For you to discover what happen in heaven you have to pray that God should reveal it to you so that you will know what make satan fell.

Where did the will to sin from the devil come from?

honeric01:

But Angels have no mind of their own, they carry out God's will in heaven according to the bible, so where did the will to rebel and sin that came into the devil (Lucifer) come from?

Reference " The lord's prayer"

Says? Oya show me for Bible. Thanks.

Let me sch u on angels' mind and mode of operation a lil bit, while u get busy searching the above in the Bible

Even though spiritual and immortal by nature, the human soul, in this life, depends in a very large measure on the human body for its operations.[size=20pt]All the Angels are endowed with intellect and free will. [/size]No pure spirit is conceivable without these natural faculties. The Angels are commonly called "minds," "intelligences" by theologians and philosophers. Dionysius calls them "celestial intelligences," "intellectual beings," "supercelestial beings," etc. Exalted knowledge and intelligence are the most outstanding qualities of an Angel according to human standards. Thus, in praising David's wisdom, the woman from Thecua could not find a similar intelligence here on earth and compared it to that of an Angelic mind: "Thou, my lord, O King, art wise, according to the wisdom of an Angel of God."

Wizemmanuel: Devil is the father of sin, because all sin began from the devil. For you to discover what happen in heaven you have to pray that God should reveal it to you so that you will know what make satan fell.

According to Judeo-Christian mythology, YHWH, the Jewish god of war made the "devil" and evil. If the concept of the Jewish devil is the epitome of evil, then its existence is to be blamed on YHWH, its supposed Creator.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Isaiah 45 vs 7

Gombs:

Says? Oya show me for Bible. Thanks.

Let me sch u on angels' mind and mode of operation a lil bit, while u get busy searching the above in the Bible

Even though spiritual and immortal by nature, the human soul, in this life, depends in a very large measure on the human body for its operations.[size=20pt]All the Angels are endowed with intellect and free will. [/size]No pure spirit is conceivable without these natural faculties. The Angels are commonly called "minds," "intelligences" by theologians and philosophers. Dionysius calls them "celestial intelligences," "intellectual beings," "supercelestial beings," etc. Exalted knowledge and intelligence are the most outstanding qualities of an Angel according to human standards. Thus, in praising David's wisdom, the woman from Thecua could not find a similar intelligence here on earth and compared it to that of an Angelic mind: "Thou, my lord, O King, art wise, according to the wisdom of an Angel of God."

Provide us biblical references before i even take your comment to heart...

Oduduwaboy: The human mind created the Devil just like it created 'God'.
Enough of the play on words people do in order to justify the existence of an imaginary God. What is the meaning of Lucifer created the devil?

Lucifer is his name, devil is what he became...now, leave me with my imaginations.

honeric01:

Provide us biblical references before i even take your comment to heart...

After you! U first made a claim.... now, oblige me

Gombs:

After you! U first made a claim.... now, oblige me

Matthew 6:9-13

9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,[a]
but deliver us from the evil one.[b]’

God's will is the only will done in heaven!

Now show us yours.

honeric01:

Matthew 6:9-13

9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,[a]
but deliver us from the evil one.[b]’

God's will is the only will done in heaven!

Now show us yours.

Heheheheheh, see scripture backup na. Ok o

Ok, if 1/3 of angels rebelled, how was that possible if they had no free will?

Angels are spiritual beings who have personalities that include emotions (Luke 2:13), intelligence (2 Corinthians 11:3), and wills (2 Timothy 2:26). Satan was an angel who was cast out of heaven along with many other angels who decided to follow him and chose to sin (2 Peter 2:4). In terms of free will, the Bible reveals this was an exercise of their ability to choose (Jude 1:6).

Some scholars believe there was a sort of “probation period” for the angels, similar to the time whenAdam and Evewere in the garden. Those angels who did not choose to sin and follow Satan have become the “elect” angels (1 Timothy 5:21), confirmed in holiness. These angels are also referred to as “holy angels” (Mark 8:38) and “holy ones” (Psalm89:5)

Now, would you humbly take it to heart as you said so that we can move on together?

Gombs:

Lucifer is his name, devil is what he became...now, leave me with my imaginations.

Ok. i don hear!
I recognize its not easy not to believe in a 'god' in this sometimes lonely world. I still believe Emperor Constantine to be one of most visionary leaders of all time. He legalised christianity by converting into it and thus began the march of 'Western' civilization .

Oduduwaboy:

Ok. i don hear!
I recognize its not easy not to believe in a 'god' in this sometimes lonely world. I still believe Emperor Constantine to be one of most visionary leaders of all time. He legalised christianity by converting into it and thus began the march of 'Western' civilization .

Yeah, whatever rocks ur boat bro!

Gombs:

Heheheheheh, see scripture backup na. Ok o

Ok, if 1/3 of angels rebelled, how was that possible if they had no free will?

Angels are spiritual beings who have personalities that include emotions (Luke 2:13), intelligence (2 Corinthians 11:3), and wills (2 Timothy 2:26). Satan was an angel who was cast out of heaven along with many other angels who decided to follow him and chose to sin (2 Peter 2:4). In terms of free will, the Bible reveals this was an exercise of their ability to choose (Jude 1:6).

Some scholars believe there was a sort of “probation period” for the angels, similar to the time whenAdam and Evewere in the garden. Those angels who did not choose to sin and follow Satan have become the “elect” angels (1 Timothy 5:21), confirmed in holiness. These angels are also referred to as “holy angels” (Mark 8:38) and “holy ones” (Psalm89:5)

Now, would you humbly take it to heart as you said so that we can move on together?

Yes, how did they rebel if they have no free will? then why did Jesus say "Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven"?

Are you saying Jesus lied about that?
If its God's will that's the only will done in heaven, who then gave Satan the "will" to sin?
All through the bible, has any Angel taken any decision different from that which was given by God to the angel?

Now, if Angels have will, where then did sin come from and who created the "sinful" will?

honeric01:

Yes, how did they rebel if they have no free will? then why did Jesus say "Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven"?

Are you saying Jesus lied about that?
If its God's will that's the only will done in heaven, who then gave Satan the "will" to sin?
All through the bible, has any Angel taken any decision different from that which was given by God to the angel?

Now, if Angels have will, where then did sin come from and who created the "sinful" will?

i gave u verses as u requested, u said angels have no mind of theirs, i refuted the lie, gave you verses, and asked if they had no will like u said they dont, how were they able to rebel? now u still asking me who gave satan will? Sin is simply acting against God's will...now do the math and stop asking where then did sin come from and who created the "sinful" will?

but if u wanna belive they dont have will, fine...now give way for others to read and learn a thing or two, i have no time for redundancy.

Everything in existence has its being in God whether directly or indirectly. Without God there will be nothing like good or bad deeds. If God does not exist, evil cannot exist. This is not saying that God is responsible for evil.

The ability to do wrong is a direct consequence of freewill. Without freewill, no one can do wrong. Freewill is good in itself and as such God did right to have granted us the freedom to choose but that freedom begets evil.

striktlymi: Everything in existence has its being in God whether directly or indirectly. Without God there will be nothing like good or bad deeds. If God does not exist, evil cannot exist. This is not saying that God is responsible for evil.

The ability to do wrong is a direct consequence of freewill. Without freewill, no one can do wrong. Freewill is good in itself and as such God did right to have granted us the freedom to choose but that freedom begets evil.

Blah blah blah.
Trying to exonerate your god.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Isaiah 45 vs 7

Gombs:

i gave u verses as u requested, u said angels have no mind of theirs, i refuted the lie, gave you verses, and asked if they had no will like u said they dont, how were they able to rebel? now u still asking me who gave satan will? Sin is simply acting against God's will...now do the math and stop asking where then did sin come from and who created the "sinful" will?

but if u wanna belive they dont have will, fine...now give way for others to read and learn a thing or two, i have no time for redundancy.

The verses you gave never said anything about angels having will.. maybe i didn't see it, quote the verse that says they do have will to decide on their own.. at least i am here to see biblical evidence of angels being given the power to decide/choose irrespective of it being against that of God or not.

The lord's prayer says only God's will is done in heaven and nothing else, no angel is expected to work against his will.

striktlymi: Everything in existence has its being in God whether directly or indirectly. Without God there will be nothing like good or bad deeds. If God does not exist, evil cannot exist. This is not saying that God is responsible for evil.

The ability to do wrong is a direct consequence of freewill. Without freewill, no one can do wrong. Freewill is good in itself and as such God did right to have granted us the freedom to choose but that freedom begets evil.

Lol ur god isn't responsible for evil ehn?? But he is responsible for good

Gombs: Well some folks say God did... but did He?
the bible recorded that all God created was good, everything He did was good. Who then created the devil?


Lucifer created the devil out of himself. just as God created every human being good, but He cant be responsible for how some folks turn out, eg He is NOT responsible for the Suicide bombers, Killers, thieves etc.

He's not responsible for killers and terrorist but is God responsible for the good citizen, the righteous pastor, the life saver and public hero?

macof:

Lol ur god isn't responsible for evil ehn?? But he is responsible for good

Because He is a good God, all he does is good

[NLT] James 1:17 [size=20pt]Whatever[/size] is good and perfect comes down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.

Gombs:

Because He is a good God, all he does is good

[NLT] James 1:17 [size=20pt]Whatever[/size] is good and perfect comes down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.

Am nt saying he isn't good or good things don't find their source in him...but he is as evil as he is good.
And this is by the Bible and common life experiences

macof:

Am nt saying he isn't good or good things don't find their source in him...but he is as evil as he is good.
And this is by the Bible and common life experiences