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Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Emusan(m): 9:35pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
hifaif: Since you want to separate creation account from the rest of the Bible does it mean other books were inspired? And how did you know that creation story was written by cavemen? Were you there or you read about it online? |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 9:37pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
Emusan: You seem not to be getting me. Pls, read that particular dialogue again. 1 Like |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 9:41pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
Emusan: If everyone had decided to take the easy way out, we wouldn't have landed on the moon or learnt about meteors. 2 Likes |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 9:47pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
greatbygrace: According to your post, the difference between a Christian and an atheist is that a Christian has a reference book (Bible) and you don't. You don't understand circular reasoning. Atheists do not even believe in God so how would they beg the question when you draw them into such an argument? If you believe in something, the burden of proof is on you. 2 Likes |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Emusan(m): 9:59pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
hifaif: You or who landed in the moon? Since people've landed on the moon what impact does it have on human life? Since you've learnt about the meteors what has man done to prevent meteors falling into Earth? In fact earth atmosphere was designed to combat meteors is it the work of any man? People like you quickly attack Christian as if you're the only one who do science. whereas everything you know about science is through internet and the funny part of it is that you've added yourself to those who traveled to the moon. SMH |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by merieam16(f): 10:08pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
Dis @op must be a philosopher of religion.. I can't see anytin meaninful in wat his sayin,anyways because my bible say so 2 Likes |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 10:27pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
hifaif: I frankly didn't understand circular reasoning so I went to check the meaning on wikipedia, and I realized there is no point arguing with an atheist. The only thing that can shut an atheist up is to show him God. Even if you show him God, he will still ask for further proof. I respect your decision. |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by TheBigUrban2: 10:34pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
greatbygrace: You cant prove God. Simple. oh...so did wikipedia show you how the bible is the centre for circular argument? 3 Likes |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 11:05pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
Emusan: How have I attacked Christians? Did u read this post at all? 1 Like |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 12:17am On Aug 20, 2014 |
@Emusan, all your points are invalid. 1 Like |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by AlfaSeltzer(m): 12:19am On Aug 20, 2014 |
texanomaly: Why don't you try Satan and see the truth. 3 Likes |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by texanomaly(f): 12:29am On Aug 20, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: When does Satan tell the truth? |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by AlfaSeltzer(m): 12:32am On Aug 20, 2014 |
Emusan: I think they know that what they read was written by man. You are the one that is claiming otherwise. 4 Likes |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by AlfaSeltzer(m): 12:32am On Aug 20, 2014 |
texanomaly: All the time. 2 Likes |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by texanomaly(f): 12:35am On Aug 20, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: Hmmm |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 12:43am On Aug 20, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: Good one, bro. 1 Like |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 6:43am On Aug 20, 2014 |
hifaif: Circular argument (or straw man argument) in mathematical terms are expressed as: X is the cause of Y and Y is the cause of X or in plain English using the above quote as an example: The premise is: the Bible is the word of God. Conclusion is: the Bible says the Bible is the Word of God. If you look carefully the conclusion is actually a clever reword of the premise. The conclusion ensnares you to accept that the issue or the statement is settled when it is not. The proof of the premise or no evidence is offered to reach the conclusion. It is also called the straw man argument because if you press further, the proponent would shift the burden to someone you cannot easily contact. For example using the same example the proponent of the argument would defer to God to verify the Bible. A lot of people use this logical fallacy every day not just Christians Another example is Ademola was born in Lagos therefore he must be in Lagos. There is also an element of circular argument in 419 letters. It goes like this: I am an African prince, I have $500m to transfer to you but you have to send me $100,000.00 for processing. Duh! Another example: we know you can extract palm oil from Palm fruits. When someone is asked why do you use palm fruit to make oil? He responds: because it contains palm oil. Using this same logical fallacy a notorious American bank robber when asked: why do you rob the banks? Responds by saying: because that's where the money is! Fallacious arguments get over people's heads because they somehow ring true even though they are actually false. The moral of the story is that you can't rescue a false statement by tacking on more complicated assumptions. Here is a classic circular argument made by a politician that appears in a Major U.S. Newspaper: "Senator Kent Conrad of North Dakota offers a perfectly circular argument: we can't have the public option, because if we do, health care reform won't get the votes of senators like him. 'In a 60-vote environment," he says . . ., 'you've got to attract some Republicans as well as holding virtually all the Democrats together, and that, I don't believe, is possible with a pure public option.'" (Paul Krugman, "Health Care Showdown." The New York Times, June 22, 2009) |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by philfearon(m): 7:52am On Aug 20, 2014 |
texanomaly:So which one are you? Atheist? christian? agnostic? others(specify)? |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 8:03am On Aug 20, 2014 |
omonuan: A lot of people use it to beg the question not as much for what they so much believe in as Christians 1 Like |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Emusan(m): 8:36am On Aug 20, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: So how do you know what you read is true? I know the Bible is true because the writers claimed God's inspiration for it AND THE SAME GOD HAS revealed Himself to me. |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Abrahamweb(m): 8:52am On Aug 20, 2014 |
Emusan:Sir,no offence you said "CLAIMED GOD'S INSPIRATION" 3 Likes |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Emusan(m): 12:41pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
Abrahamweb: Yes I said so! Or what do you want me to say? That I'm there with them when they were written their books or I was the one who inspired them. If I tell you that God told me something about you/anything it's a claim on my own part and what you can do is to verify. I wasn't there when any of the writer wrote his own book but I've verified their claim. If I'm wrong why didn't you believe in Bible? I guess simply because their claim is a myth to you. |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by diarra94(m): 12:48pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
bro... I love what you've done here. sometimes I feel it is a task for me to un-brainwash the African man because I can't believe someone who believes that god created different languages because some primitive people were trying to build a tower to the heavens will achieve any meaningful development which such limited reasoning. 1 Like |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 1:06pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
diarra94: bro... I love what you've done here. sometimes I feel it is a task for me to un-brainwash the African man because I can't believe someone who believes that god created different languages because some primitive people were trying to build a tower to the heavens will achieve any meaningful development which such limited reasoning. Thanks bro. I appreciate you. The creation myth is so silly, yet they believe in it by faith. 2 Likes |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 1:18pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
Emusan: You didn't verify, you simply swallowed it up with 'the stupidity of an animal' (apologies to George Orwell) 1 Like |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:19pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
hifaif: Your argument is absurd. It's like saying you cannot prove that Obama lives in the White House by looking into the White House. Logic should tell you that it is by looking into the White House is what will provide the necessary evidence that Obama lives in the White House. |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 1:28pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: OMG, please explain how your wack example is guilty of circular reasoning. If you don't understand this type of reasoning and what it is used for, then you shouldn't formulate examples. 1 Like |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:30pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
hifaif: If you claim that Christians cannot use 'circular reasoning' by trying to prove the Bible by quoting from the Bible then I say Can you prove that Obama lives in the White House by looking into the White House? It's that simple but I would understand if you don't get it. |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 2:39pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: You do not understand circular reasoning. American presidents live in the white house, Obama is an American president so Obama lives in the white house. That is not circular reasoning because the premises as indeed the conclusion can be proved. Can you say the same for this: Jesus is real, the Bible says so, so Jesus is real 1 Like |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:47pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
hifaif: You are just begging the question here. You are saying Christians can't prove the Bible by quoting from the Bible which is the same as saying Americans can't prove Obama lives in the White House by looking into the White House. It is by looking into the White House that will provide the necessary proof that Obama lives in the White House. The fulfilled prophecies, the amazing consistency and the many scientific statements of the Bible prove it to be the Word of God. They provide evidence that the Bible is supernatural in origin. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Nobody: 3:20pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: The bible is real, I can see it. Its message believed to have come from God is what you should prove. Please, how are the biblical prophesies different from those made by Nostradamus? 2 Likes |
Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by Emusan(m): 3:21pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
hifaif: See your life outside! Now that I told you I've verified their claim you resorted to abuse. How is it easy for you to swallowed up Big bang story & how can you verify the claim of Big bang? God is ready to reveal Himself to you only if you can humble yourself so that you may know that what those writers wrote were true. |
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