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| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by drobadebayo: 9:05am On Aug 25, 2014 |
sainty2k3:That only changes names and titles,not roles because they ll be residents since they are training to be specialists. |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by onyxo76(m): 9:06am On Aug 25, 2014 |
BREAKING NEWS: Comrades, no NARD member should come out to work today (monday 25/8/2014) until further notice. this is a directive from the senate president. why? reliable information got to NARD that minister of health & some CMDS plan to humiliate us 2moro by issuing sack letters, senate president was contacted, he spoke with the minister who told him he wants to fulfil his bosses directive to sack all residents( and we all know the president is out of the country) hence the directive from senate president. THIS IS NOT A JOKE, IT IS SERIOUS, PLS STAY AT HOME UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. May God be with us, ameen. https://www./552042844902090/?fref=nf |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by sainty2k3(m): 9:10am On Aug 25, 2014 |
drobadebayo:Exactly chief. That's to show how dumb they(johessu) are |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by phantom(m): 9:19am On Aug 25, 2014 |
onyxo76: BREAKING NEWS: why are you posting this thing here oga? apply wisdom for crying out loud. |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by onyxo76(m): 10:03am On Aug 25, 2014 |
phantom:sorry boss but it was meant to be shared...no harm intended. 1 Like |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by onyxo76(m): 10:07am On Aug 25, 2014 |
As we suspend d Dr's strike.... A little eye opener to d populace... 1. As a university is to d edu sector, so is hospital to d health sector 2. When u finish in d uni, u become a graduate and u get a degree based on ur discipline... B Sc, B Ed, B Pharm or MBBS! MBBS degree is to d medical Dr's 3. Some graduates work as university lectures as graduate assistants, some others work somewhere else. Most Dr's work with a hospital! 4. Some lectures are employed with Bachelor's degrees, others with higher degrees. Whichever way, u might decide to further ur edu or not. Dr's are employed with MBBS degree and u also decide to further ur edu or not. 5. A Bachelor or Master's degree holder picks up a Master's or Phd form respectively if they desire to further. A Dr picks up a Master's form or go into residency! 6. A lecturer teaches undergraduates and at d same time gets trained by Professors and Phd holders experienced in their chosen field. A resident Dr teaches medical students and at d same time gets trained by Professors and Consultants in d different fields of medicine based on their chosen path. 7. The successful lecturers in training become Master's degree holders or Phd holders as d case may be... Successful residents become consultants! None of the above achieved these lofty heights by years spent in d civil service but by hard work! CONSULTANTS IN HOSPITAL PASS THRU RESIDENCY, they dont become one by counting YEARS OF SERVICE! 8. A lecturer continues to lecture, undergoes his training and he gets paid...cos he's working! A resident continues to work, undergoes his training and he gets paid...cos he's working! 9. ASUU went on strike, lecturers furthering their education were not sacked. NMA went on strike, residents were sacked! 10. During ASUU strike, NASU/SAANU didn't ask d FG to stop salary of lecturers on training on d ground that are under training. During NMA strike, JOHESU cohorts were asking d FG to stop resident's salaries! After all, they are under training!!! 11. Whereas a university lecturer gets a 30k hazard allowance monthly, a Naija medical Dr gets 5k 12. Whereas a lecture is allowed to spend many years training while in service, a resident has a limited time to spend for his training during which he has a maximum of 3 attempts at each step of his training or he gets relocated(a more civil way to describe a resident's sack) 13. Whereas a university lecturer is entitled to retirement benefits (even while still on training) should he retire or die, a resident Dr has no such benefits(what happens to d resident's family should he die in d course of his training?) And now our residents are going to face EBOLA, with 5K monthly hazard allowance having it at d back of their minds that they av no benefits should they die in service! 14. All successful lecturers in training gets promoted following their successful training within d same university except d ones that choose not to stay. And what happens to a successful resident? He gets back to d labour market except d few ones that are retained. ...and yet Nigerian doctors are seen to be wicked and proud! I think the case now is d 'fattest' dog eats d 'patient' bone! But cheer up hippocratic brothers, LIONS MAY SOMETIMES GO HUNGRY, THEY WILL NEVER EAT GRASS! Never!!! Long live NMA Long live Federal republic of Nigeria 6 Likes |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by maestroferddi: 10:19am On Aug 25, 2014 |
onyxo76: BREAKING NEWS:You are on your own. You better report to your duty post if you are a doctor or else na dole queue be that for you o. It is not for your misguided NARD to start deceiving themselves again by acting like paper tigers. At this stage all you guys need is the tact and finesse to navigate the PR aspect so as to get a soft landing. You guys really need a crash programme in crisis management. This whole embarrassment could have been averted had your leaders heeded the advice by those who know. There is something called underground legwork. 1 Like |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by onyxo76(m): 10:53am On Aug 25, 2014 |
maestroferddi: You are on your own.sorry mate am just a senior medical officer so i have nothing to do with NARD, i work with a university health centre so i have been at work since the strike started but seriously the whole thing is a complete mess, little wonder i ditched residency plans i saw all these health issues becoming something else soon 1 Like |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by maestroferddi: 12:09pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
onyxo76: sorry mate am just a senior medical officer so i have nothing to do with NARD, i work with a university health centre so i have been at work since the strike started but seriously the whole thing is a complete mess, little wonder i ditched residency plans i saw all these health issues becoming something else soon  |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by chookudi(m): 12:19pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
The following are the views of someone i used to know back in he days when we were students in LUTH (by the way i am not a medical doctor) and he goes by the name Dr. Luther Faseun OK, so I know I'm gonna get a huge bashing for this, but here goes: Let's face it, asides from the 0.5% of Nigeria-trained residents that attended private medical schools, about 99.5% of these resident doctors basically went through medical school, tuition-free! To the best of my knowledge, no matter how much public universities collect for housing, exams, etc, the truth is that university lecturers and consultants are still paid by the Federal Government. We all must realize that: (1) There are no hidden costs, anywhere. Whatever is 'free' has a price being borne by someone else. (2) If the Federal Government, or earlier regimes of it, have invested heavily in the medical education of Nigerian doctors, whether they be residents or not, is it too much for the same Govt to ask for a little 'consideration' from us doctors? I do not think so. While I stand to be corrected on this point, the information I gather from the Federal Ministry of Health (FMoH) is that, while residents didn't work in July, they got paid full salaries with allowances. Now, before I go too far, on this very controversial issue, I must say this loud and clear: 'Residents are Indispensable!' The Federal Govt, the FMoH and the good people of Nigeria need residents. There's absolutely no doubt about that! So, for some of us, we never needed a genie to tell us the 'strike-sack' will NOT last; of course, it won't. It wasn't meant to! And, yes, I agree that a 'sack of residents' might not be the best decision, but, as a Manager, some rather Machiavellian actions need to be taken, sometimes, in order to prevent an employee feeling too powerful, and holding the organization to ransom. Some top organizations in the world, including big corporations in Lagos and Port-Harcourt have had to let go staff that were seemingly growing too powerful, even though these staff were quickly re-absorbed, after a seemingly 'chill' period. I will also like to state, very clearly, that this is neither a public support of the Govt and the FMoH, nor a social media condemnation of both, but it will be great if all of us can think about this clearly. We all claim that these 'old professors' had it good in their time: medical students were paid stipends; residents had better facilities to work with (including the One Year Abroad), etc. However, we fail to realize that we no longer live in the 1960s, when Nigeria only had a few medical schools; we also do not live in the oil-boom early 1970s, when there was so much wealth, matched with a moderate population. Nigeria has changed!! We need to accept that fact, and live with it. The population has exploded; medical students in Nigeria will prefer to be accommodated in the 'cosy' rooms of Guantanamo Bay, than the over-bedded rooms they currently have. Whether we like it or not, this population issue will always come up: we need to have policies and incentives to dramatically increase Nigeria's contraceptive prevalence rate (CPR), and soon! Like many of us reading this, I have met the Honourable Minister several times, at home and abroad, and while I do not expressly approve of all of his decisions, I know that there's only so much a man can take: he's not just a doctor, he's also a manager, and there's only so much a manager can take from an employee. The problems of Nigeria's healthcare system cut deeper than the failure of infrastructure, poor workers' salaries (and conditions of work), and others. And, yes, a 'sack of residents' may or may not have been the best decision. However, I dare to say that, at that point, and having been pushed to the wall, it was the 'right decision. |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by chookudi(m): 12:19pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
To be honest, it's hard to define that 'sliver-bullet' solution that solves this undoubtedly complex situation. So, yeah, I think we should take multiple views to it, and approach the problem with multiple ideas. No idea should be viewed as stupid, no matter the source. Old medical professors and administrators should be invited to offer ideas as much as recent medical graduates and medical students. We should invite ideas from the Ministry of Finance, as much as we invite ideas from the Ministry of Health. It's a huge problem that might not go away as quickly as we want. But, if we must work from first principles, let's accept a few facts: (1) The medical profession is heavily viewed by non-medicals as 'privileged and over-pampered.' For crying out loud, lawyers still pay school fees in Law School, after graduating, while doctors enjoy a 'good salary' as housemen. (2) A lot of Nigerians are in America today, completing a surgical residency or fellowship, and they probably enjoy a better credit rating (enough to take a huge mortgage or buy a Ferrari, immediately they complete their residency/fellowship) than their American-trained colleagues who are smarting from huge student loans. What if the Federal Govt signed a pact with ECFMG/ERAS barring Nigerians from taking the USMLEs, unless we pay a non-refundable fee to the Govt? Are we gonna prefer this to a sack of residents? (3) Nigeria is much more complicated than just the health sector: the president is thinking of the problems of oil bunkering, Boko Haram insurgency, and now Ebola coming ahead of elections. Haba! We all might have a few (or many) bad things to say about him (and his government), but he's a man...he's got a family...and he's got his followers. He most definitely can't have one sector of the workforce of this nation hold us to ransom! He needs to pay ASUU; he needs to pay ASUP. How do you want the 'less-privileged' professions to view him, if he over-pampers one sector of healthworkers? My dear Uzo, I don't care if this statement comes to haunt me in 10 years, when I try to become Minister of Health, or any other political position, but if I were the President, I would have sacked those residents a long time ago...starting with those in big cities like Lagos (including LUTH. Lol!), sef! At least, there's a lotta private practice in these cities to keep the residents. But, seriously, Uzo: we doctors need to know the pressures of being in government, and know that there are still worse things they (the govt) can do for us, than this 'small sack,' for instance, a major fine before registration to take USMLE, PLAB or AMC. 1 Like |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by NaMe4: 1:04pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
Really, I'm just learning that MOST Nigerian doctors went through the university tuition-free. Maybe it depends on the part of the Country or maybe certain States. I am a practising medical doctor and I recall at least 40% of my class were not sponsored by any government. From the beginning of my education till graduation, government has had nothing to do with sponsoring my education, and that has been samefor a large number of mycolleagues. So the argument about government sponsoring virtually all doctors holds no water as far as I am concerned. Just a clarification though! 2 Likes |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by phantom(m): 1:58pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
NaMe4: Really, I'm just learning that MOST Nigerian doctors went through the university tuition-free. Maybe it depends on the part of the Country or maybe certain States. I am a practising medical doctor and I recall at least 40% of my class were not sponsored by any government. From the beginning of my education till graduation, government has had nothing to do with sponsoring my education, and that has been samefor a large number of mycolleagues. their argument is that the 50,000 fees i paid in UNN is free tuition compared to the 700,000 fees another pays in Madonna university. funny arguement. what of comparing my tuition in medical school to that of a student of library education in the same university? 1 Like |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by phantom(m): 2:32pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
just gotten info that the NARD/NMA has gotten a court injunction stopping the FMOH/MOH/CMDs from implementing the sack. vintage Jonathan!! you goof,get embarrassed and insulted,then reverse yourself through the courts. classic! |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by drobadebayo: 2:35pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
what's this nonsense about doctors trained free.When I still paid higher than majority of the departments througout grueling 6years(don't want to say all but its prolly all).My hostel accomodation was 15k higher,a tiny room 4 people were made to live in.People are still waiting for their scholarship funds years after graduating.Food was more expensive inside the teaching hospital compared to the permanent site where other students were. Be It a private institution or government,yout tuition fee as a med student will always be higher than others. 4 Likes |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by likita27: 3:03pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
McStoic: I have observed many of our so called docs here......I hereby give my award. dradebayo is the most cultured among them, though he seems to have a thing against 12 year olds. Phantom aka Phanty bobo seems to be a guy who grew up among market woman, he latter mixed with guys but try as he may, the frequent Freudian slips get the better of him......though I like him for one thing, he seems able to come to reason once in a rare while. Sainty2k3 is simply a tag along. He is that student who sits at the back of the class among bigger boys just to feel important. Say a simple thing and he will start asking derailing questions even when others have moved on to another topic. Dumodust is self explanatory, a mixture of dumbtiness and muscles, he walks around with a knuckle duster.........He will make a good bouncer to Phantom since ass licking is his exclusive preserve nay natural talent. Likita is trying to imitate what others are doing, he needs a sense of belonging just like Dumodust. Armadeo is a learner etc...... Pardon if I wasn't gracious enough to recognize you. Maybe next time.I feel. nothing but pity for you,you ''re so embittered,hurling insults at everybody,know what?let it go, I know you had a. traumatic. experience getting yourself self to where you're now, this world of ours is not fair and it will never be,otherwise the 20 year old army veteran NCO will never take orders from the newbie officer with less than 5 years experience in the army, this bitterness won't get you anywhere,try to live for your kids,otherwise you''ll die before your time.I wish u well, 1 Like |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by DrLuv: 4:13pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
drobadebayo: what's this nonsense about doctors trained free.When I still paid higher than majority of the departments througout grueling 6years(don't want to say all but its prolly all).My hostel accomodation was 15k higher,a tiny room 4 people were made to live in.People are still waiting for their scholarship funds years after graduating.Food was more expensive inside the teaching hospital compared to the permanent site where other students were.chai.u know its an acceptable norm for an average nigerian to keep circulating propaganda,false news and rumours,even after enlightenment about such matters.its funny really cos i wonder who could have generate a lie like tuition frree medical school.its not limited to tuition alone,but so many other beliefs and wrong assumptions of an average nigerian,in this case as it relates to medical doctors 1 Like |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by phantom(m): 5:09pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
it serves us right as doctors,when we have decided not to properly inform the public. we stay in our clinics and wards reading giant sized books,and taking things for granted. we live in a society where 85-90% of our populace are GROSSLY IGNORANT. look on naira land,where one reads only 1sensible post out of a 100. even much of our middle/upper class are ignorant. we have a Herculean task in front of us and we must not relent to go on a massive public relation campaign anyway we can. never underestimate the power of a large number of IGNORANT people. it can do and undo. 3 Likes |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by chookudi(m): 3:55am On Aug 26, 2014 |
When did accomodation and feeding become part of tuition? By the way what I posted are the views of a fellow doc as I hv written earlier [Quote author=drobadebayo]what's this nonsense about doctors trained free.When I still paid higher than majority of the departments througout grueling 6years(don't want to say all but its prolly all).My hostel accomodation was 15k higher,a tiny room 4 people were made to live in.People are still waiting for their scholarship funds years after graduating.Food was more expensive inside the teaching hospital compared to the permanent site where other students were. Be It a private institution or government,yout tuition fee as a med student will always be higher than others.[/quote] |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by drobadebayo: 7:23am On Aug 26, 2014 |
chookudi: When did accomodation and feeding become part of tuition? By the way what I posted are the views of a fellow doc as I hv written earlierHaba u can read now,i started with tuition being higher than others,down to accomodation,feeding.pls read nd understand.no one said accomodation was part of tuition,i said both were considerably higher than other departments. |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by chookudi(m): 8:44am On Aug 26, 2014 |
Fair enough...By the way how come that's the only point from the entire view point of the doctor that is being argued or contested? You guys agree with the rest? |
| Re: NMA suspends strike.....Live Update Of NMA Emergency Delegate Meeting At Abuja. by DrLuv: 7:56pm On Aug 26, 2014 |
onyxo76: As we suspend d Dr's strike....well,if only nigerians see or read these truthful points without sentiment..but then .. |
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