shdemidemi:

Please answer my question, do you agree with what Peter said in Acts 10 about the relationship between a Jew and a non-Jew according to the law?

scosco1: ...do you know Peter was speaking from the oral-law ? Most Gentiles had a very poor concept of the Holy One of Israel and yes I agree with him . He can only associate with a non-Jew if he has shown that he has dissociated himself from idolatry .

flourishG: whats da op talking about? da law that the fathers of israel could not keep? u must be a joker[b][/b]

jdilight:

Because they did not know how to keep it. If your willing the Holy Spirit will teach you how to keep it. It is very easy and simple.

shdemidemi: @Drummaboy

well said.

I think Paul differentiated the two ways of obtaining God's righgteousnes perfectly in Romans 10



It must be said that an average religious jew is more zealous about the work of God than an average gentile christian. Paul realises this as well, but they lacked the major requisite to God's kind of righteousness which is the right knowledge.

This also applies to most of Christendom today. They may have a zeal, they may never miss a Church service, they may be there every time the doors are opened, they may pray and fast more than anyone else but if they have no knowledge of the Scriptures. They are totally ignorant of the Scriptures.




Isn't it clear as day light that we have two kinds of righteousness- SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS by keeping the law AND GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS through faith in Christ.

Paul said the Israelites were ignorant, they were working so hard for a righteousness that comes freely by the knowledge of GRACE through Christ. Isn't that exactly where most people are today? They'll do this and that, and do whatever a denomination prescribes, and they do it according to rote, and ritual. And it's going to count for nothing, they might just as well stay home. And Israel was no different, they kept the feast days, they wouldn't miss a feast day for anything, and they followed the sacrifices, they followed the law to the letter but without the understanding that Christ is the anchor of our faith, its all exercise in futility.

Christ was that object of faith that Israel was expected to embrace. He came proving Who He was, and they should have known Who He was. He was the fulfillment of over 360 distinct prophecies out of the Old Testament. If they knew their Bible like they thought they did, they should have recognized Him the moment He began His ministry. But why didn't they? They didn't know their Bible.

SOLA GRACIA

There are two kind of righteousness, your right: self righteousness and God"s righteousness (selfless righteousness). But what you fail to understand is the word righteousness. Remove self or God from righteousness what you have is righteousness which does not exist without work.

Righteousness simply mean living right. Jesus said unless your righteousness exceed that of the pharisees (self) you will not see the kingdom of God. to exceed means you are in the right path but is short of expectation. God's righteousness is selfless righteousness.

What righteousness did the pharisees practices? the righteousness that promoted them and not God.

shdemidemi: No no.. There was no mention of anyone in or out of idolatry. There was only a mention of Peter sent to a place he would never had gone left to the interpretation of the law.

God made Peter eat the forbidden animal/beast (forbidden, according to the law). Peter hesitated at first but succumb to God's command afterwards. Whether cornelius worshipped an Idol or no idol was never the issue. Do you get it?

scosco1:
Honestly , I don't get it ...G-d did not make peter eat anything and that encounter was a dream ... aπϑ why would G-d contradict himself ?

shdemidemi:

Yes, it was a trance that had an interpretation and a clear meaning.
Acts 10
17 Peter was very perplexed. What could the vision mean? Just then the men sent by Cornelius found Simon’s house. Standing outside the gate, 18 they asked if a man named Simon Peter was staying there.

19 Meanwhile, as Peter was puzzling over the vision, the Holy Spirit said to him, “Three men have come looking for you. 20 Get up, go downstairs, and go with them without hesitation. Don’t worry, for I have sent them.”

The same God who gave the law made Peter eat what wasn't kosher in a trance. Immediately after the vision, he was sent to a non-Jew where he was never allowed to go under the law.

There was a change in programme- salvation was made available to non-Jews because the nation of Israel rejected the gift of Christ.
Romans 11
Did God’s people stumble and fall beyond recovery? Of course not! They were disobedient, so God made salvation available to the Gentiles. But he wanted his own people to become jealous and claim it for themselves. 12 Now if the Gentiles were enriched because the people of Israel turned down God’s offer of salvation, think how much greater a blessing the world will share when they finally accept it.

shdemidemi: Did you read the verses I quoted?

Salvation as used here is the spiritual and eternal deliverance granted by God to those who accept His condition of repentance and faith in Jesus.

Your definition of salvation is a temporal deliverance from danger. That isn't the salvation my quote is speaking about



Do you now agree Peter was instructed to go to a non-Jew who was anathema by the law?

scosco1:

Enlighten me please ...what kind of salvation is the NT offering ?

“Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other." - Isaiah 45:22

scosco1: ישעיהו- Isaiah is composed of ישע which is salvation and the name of God, meaning- Salvation is from God.
Yirmiayahu ירמיהו- from the root רמה, to lift, meaning God will be exalted, or God will lift me up.

I believe ur NT salvation means saved from hell, satan and original sin concept ?

shdemidemi:

Isaiah was speaking of things that is to come, with an eye to the Mediator, who is made of God to us both righteousness and sanctification. Like I said earlier, salvation is the spiritual and eternal deliverance granted by God.

scosco1:

My dear friend they are just too numerous I don't want to keep goin on aπϑ on !

Paul has added a lot to ur christian NT ! Mind you , the scriptures had already been 250yrs before Jsus came aπϑ he also read from the book of isaiah.
You follow paul's hellenized ideas !

G-d's word is simple , no theology needed , no theories aπϑ so sincere .

shdemidemi:

Have you been able to keep all of the laws thus far?

shdemidemi:

Are you also saying Paul's letters aren't scriptures?

I thought Jesus gave him the message to teach directly. now whose message carries more weight Jesus/God's message delivered by Paul to the body of Christ or God's message to Moses for the nation of Israel?

jdilight:

If I answer you will you believe?

scosco1:
The NT is scriptures for you but not me ...! Paul never met jsus in perSon neither did jsus . Paul never quoted jsus, but rather from the hebrew scriputes !

Compare those little verses I showed you pls

scosco1: Paul aπϑ other NT writers delibrately removed a lot of vital clauses from Torah aπϑ tanahk aπϑ still expects to gain a following among the Jewish ppl - I guess that's probably why he is been regarded as an trail blazer in the Christian theology aπϑ among gentiles who have a poor knowledge of the Hebrew scriptures . The masses we're vulnerable aπϑ consumed evrything that he wrote without scrutiny .

scosco1: The scriptures α̲̅я̩̥̊ε̲̣̣̣̥ meant to be reasoned upon ..not just accepted blindly ! Reason not blind faith ! Rabbis debate scriptures aπϑ Torah to prove its authenticity ! Even the writings of the prophets, the talmud, (oral laws ) it takes years of study . There are too many things G-d revealed τ̲̅ȍ the Jews that you cannot comprehend my achi ( brother ) .

shdemidemi:

Paul is the harbinger of a gospel Jesus constantly thought, though in parables. I believe Paul's apostleship is true, he saw Christ, and he preached a message that puts the entire scripture intricately linked.

Pick any parable of Jesus and you will find the message of Paul, the message of grace and most importantly the message of God init.

Paul interpreted the Old Testament from the eye of the new. All the stories that was put together by God's providence in the old were expanded by Paul in the new.

Paul never started his own thing but pointed all back to the significance of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

shdemidemi:

On the contrary, Paul's message was not only scrutinised by the people, it was also approved by Peter and backed by God through countless miracles.

scosco1:

My brother , I see you are a very intelligent fellow aπϑ must have been through the univrsty walls ? ...make an objective comparism, analyze those little verses I gave to you . When you wrote ur project I beliv you quoted ur references proprly ?... Please . We have been on this topic since ‎​Mornin .

shdemidemi:

If you don't accept the entire bible as the word of God, it will be difficult to have a meaningful discussion.

I will check the quotes and revert back.