RikoduoSennin:
Oxford Dictionary definition of the word "Faith"- to have complete trust or confidence. Other definitions of faith relates to religion.

Now tell me, do you have complete confidence/trust in Science, Is that no longer "faith" because science is not viewed as a religion?

Open mind, will do a lot of good in this matter. Your mind has already been made up, Faith relates or specific to only religion. ***sigh***

But weren't you the one that said earlier that the dictionary shouldn't, "MUSTN'T" be used in defining religious matters? And I quote:

"Dictionary is not an authority on religious matter..."

And yet, there you were, completely contradicting yourself. A behaviour atypical of an average Christian. This is what your bible calls "hypocrisy." Bravo.

RikoduoSennin: Goodbye!!!

Good riddance.

I only argue with intellectuals, people with vast knowledge that can rival mine, not ones that hide behind excuses and contradictions.

Try Watching Prometheus…
Heard the Sequel is in the making soon!!!

RikoduoSennin:

@bolded section: your words not mine. I don't remember using such words to describe the bible neither do I see any relevance to the thread topic.Do you think the existence of God/a Creator depends solely on if the bible contains error or not?Send me a link to a thread- containing to supposed error scriptures and I will gladly do that. Threads bordering on the bible's credibility best fits. God having or not having a creator, God existing or not existing does not depend "solely" on what the bible says.So let's leave the bible for another thread.

Monin sir,
i NEVER said you used "omniperfect.pls read/understand what i wrote.
you the first and ONLY chriatian have heard saying something of theological relevance doesnt depend "solely" on bible.
"the scripture describes the TOTALITY of God"--Ron kenolly
"the bible is God and God is the bible,WHATSOEVER the bible doesnot say about God is not of God"--pastor EA Adeboye.
Stop insisting thisnt the proper thread,have explaind.

RayMcBlue: "God" is imaginary. He's purely the creation of man.

We know, for example, that the ancient Egyptians believed in their gods so fervently that they built massive structures like the Great Pyramid - still today one of the largest and most enduring human constructions ever created. Despite that fervor, however, we know with complete certainty today that the Egyptian gods were imaginary. There is no evidence of their existence. Thus we do not build pyramids anymore and we do not mummify our leaders.

More recently we know that tens of millions of Romans worshiped Jupiter and his friends, and to them they built magnificent temples. The ruins of these temples are popular tourist attractions even today. Yet we know with complete certainty that these gods were imaginary. There is no evidence for their existence and thus no one worships Zeus any more.

Much more recently, we know that the Aztec civilization believed in their gods so intensely that they constructed huge temples and pyramids. In addition, Aztecs were so zealous that they were sacrificing hundreds of human beings to their gods as recently as the 16th century. Despite the intensity, however, we know today that these gods were completely imaginary. The Aztecs were insane insane to be murdering people for their gods. Killing a person has no effect on rainfall or anything else. We all know that. And there is no evidence whatsoever demonstrating that the Aztec gods exist. If the Aztec gods were real, we would still be offering sacrifices to them and these sacrifices would be effective.

Today's "God" is just as imaginary as were these historical gods. The fact that millions of people worship a god is meaningless.

The "God" and the "Jesus" that Christians worship today are actually amalgams formed out of ancient pagan gods. The idea of a virgin birth, burial in a rock tomb, resurrection after 3 days and eating of body and drinking of blood had nothing to do with Jesus. All of the rituals in Christianity are completely man-made. Christianity is a snow ball that rolled over a dozen pagan religions. As the snowball grew, it freely attached pagan rituals and beliefs in order to be more palatable to converts.

This is inspirational.

GOD is self created! How? we will never know, only 12 people on the planet know how GOD was created and its never to be shared, GOD hid himself away from men since men were stubborn, but today! he has revealed himself, to those who understand will understand, and those who would not won't, their heart has been made strong. GOD is a reality!

Oduduwaboy:
This is inspirational.

Glad to be of service.

gatiano: GOD is self created! How? we will never know, only 12 people on the planet know how GOD was created and its never to be shared, GOD hid himself away from men since men were stubborn, but today! he has revealed himself, to those who understand will understand, and those who would not won't, their heart has been made strong. GOD is a reality!

Let's imagine that I tell you the following story:

-There is a man who lives at the North Pole.
-He lives there with his wife and a bunch of elves.
-During the year, he and the elves build toys.
-Then, on Christmas Eve, he loads up a sack with all the toys.
-He puts the sack in his sleigh.
-He hitches up eight (or possibly nine) flying reindeer.
-He then flies from house to house, landing on the
rooftops of each one.
-He gets out with his sack and climbs down the chimney.
-He leaves toys for the children of the household.
-He climbs back up the chimney, gets back in his sleigh, and flies to the next house.
-He does this all around the world in one night.
-Then he flies back to the North Pole to repeat the cycle next year.

This, of course, is the story of Santa Claus.

But let's say that I am an adult, and I am your friend, and I reveal to you that I believe that this story is true. I believe it with all my heart. And I try to talk about it with you and convert you to believe it as I do. What would you think of me? You would think that I am delusional, and rightly so.

Why do you think that I am delusional? It is because you know that Santa is imaginary. The story is a total fairy tale. No matter how much I talk to you about Santa, you are not going to believe that Santa is real. Flying reindeer, for example, are make-believe. The dictionary defines delusion as, "A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence." That definition fits perfectly.

Since you are my friend, you might try to help me realize that my belief in Santa is a delusion. The way that you would try to do that is by asking me some questions. For example, you might say to me:

-"But how can the sleigh carry enough toys for everyone in the world?" (I say to you that the sleigh is magical. It has the ability to do this intrinsically).

-"How does Santa get into houses and apartments that don't have chimneys?" (I say that Santa can make chimneys appear, as shown to all of us in the movie The Santa Clause).

-"How does Santa get down the chimney if there's a fire in the fireplace?" (I say that Santa has a special flame- resistant suit, and it cleans itself too).

-"Why doesn't the security system detect Santa?" (Santa is invisible to security systems).

-"How can Santa travel fast enough to visit every child in one night?" (Santa is timeless).

"How can Santa know whether every child has been bad or good?" (Santa is omniscient).

"Why are the toys distributed so unevenly? Why does Santa deliver more toys to rich kids, even if they are bad, than he ever gives to poor kids?" (There is no way for us to understand the mysteries of Santa because we are mere mortals, but Santa has his reasons. For example, perhaps poor children would be unable to handle a flood of expensive electronic toys. How would they afford the batteries? So Santa spares them this burden).

These are all quite logical questions that you have asked. I have answered all of them for you. I am wondering why you can't see what I see, and you are wondering how I can be so insane.

Why didn't my answers satisfy you? Why do you still know that I am delusional? It is because my answers have done nothing but confirm your assessment. My answers are ridiculous. In order to answer your questions, I invented, completely out of thin air, a magical sleigh, a magical self-cleaning suit, magical chimneys, "timelessness" and magical invisibility. You don't believe my answers because you know that I am making this stuff up. The invalidating evidence is voluminous.

Try, just for a moment, to look at Christianity with the
same amount of healthy skepticism that you used when approaching the story of Santa, you would realize that the concept of an "All knowing being" is man's fabrication... just like Santa.

RayMcBlue:

Let's imagine that I tell you the following story:

-There is a man who lives at the North Pole.
-He lives there with his wife and a bunch of elves.
-During the year, he and the elves build toys.
-Then, on Christmas Eve, he loads up a sack with all the toys.
-He puts the sack in his sleigh.
-He hitches up eight (or possibly nine) flying reindeer.
-He then flies from house to house, landing on the rooftops of each one.
-He gets out with his sack and climbs down the chimney.
-He leaves toys for the children of the household.
-He climbs back up the chimney, gets back in his sleigh, and flies to the next house.
-He does this all around the world in one night.
-Then he flies back to the North Pole to repeat the cycle
next year.

This, of course, is the story of Santa Claus.

But let's say that I am an adult, and I am your friend, and I reveal to you that I believe that this story is true. I believe it with all my heart. And I try to talk about it with you and convert you to believe it as I do. What would you think of me? You would think that I am delusional, and rightly so.

Why do you think that I am delusional? It is because you know that Santa is imaginary. The story is a total fairy tale. No matter how much I talk to you about Santa, you are not going to believe that Santa is real. Flying reindeer, for example, are make-believe. The dictionary defines delusion as, "A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence." That definition fits perfectly.

Since you are my friend, you might try to help me realize that my belief in Santa is a delusion. The way that you would try to do that is by asking me some questions. For example, you might say to me:

-"But how can the sleigh carry enough toys for everyone in the world?" (I say to you that the sleigh is magical. It has the ability to do this intrinsically).

-"How does Santa get into houses and apartments that don't have chimneys?" (I say that Santa can make chimneys appear, as shown to all of us in the movie The Santa Clause).

-"How does Santa get down the chimney if there's a fire in the fireplace?" (I say that Santa has a special flame-resistant suit, and it cleans itself too).

-"Why doesn't the security system detect Santa?" (Santa is invisible to security systems).

-"How can Santa travel fast enough to visit every child in one night?" (Santa is timeless).

"How can Santa know whether every child has been bad or good?" (Santa is omniscient).

"Why are the toys distributed so unevenly? Why does Santa deliver more toys to rich kids, even if they are bad, than he ever gives to poor kids?" (There is no way for us to understand the mysteries of Santa because we are mere mortals, but Santa has his reasons. For example, perhaps poor children would be unable to handle a flood of expensive electronic toys. How would they afford the batteries? So Santa spares them this burden).

These are all quite logical questions that you have asked. I have answered all of them for you. I am wondering why you can't see what I see, and you are wondering how I can be so insane.

Why didn't my answers satisfy you? Why do you still know that I am delusional? It is because my answers have done nothing but confirm your assessment. My answers are ridiculous. In order to answer your questions, I invented, completely out of thin air, a magical sleigh, a magical self-cleaning suit, magical chimneys, "timelessness" and magical invisibility. You don't believe my answers because you know that I am making this stuff up. The invalidating evidence is voluminous.

Try, just for a moment, to look at Christianity with the same amount of healthy skepticism that you used when approaching the story of Santa, you would realize that the concept of an "All knowing being" is man's fabrication... just like Santa.

BEAUTIFUL!!!

If not because u are already self-made(well to do),I would have asked you to send me your bank account numbers...lool #nice

krayzieklay:
BEAUTIFUL!!!

If not because u are already self-made(well to do),I would have asked you to send me your bank account numbers...lool #nice

Such kind words... Gee, thanks.

Thread of weed smokers.

Frostyzone: Thread of weed smokers.

Abi na..U too sha don comment..U dn join niyen#winks

God is NOTHING.
Man is NOTHING.
God is Man.
Man is God.
Op,didnt Jesus tell you and your fake men of 'God' this in John 10:34?
Why are you people rich Religiously yet so Spiritually POOR?
Believers indeed.
I myself,i am a knower.
You WERE NEVER CREATED GODDAMNIT!

Frostyzone:
Thread of weed smokers.

.. Weedsmokers sabi bible sef

Jhosh:
Ever since i was a liitle child,av always ben wonderinq how God was formed.Where is he from?

I mean,is it that he is from somewhere or he just came out of sometin.??U knw d bible says(The earth was void and empty)Which means.He had no tribe,race or ??


So the question now is..How did God made it all alone?What created him?Who?


Note:Am a christian,not an atheist..So its not really dat i wanna provok anyone with d question.Juz curious..Hopinq ma curiosity wunt kil min.(Amen)

Well no one created God. I have toyed with the question. An idea I had was that if God was caused, He was caused out of nothingness. which still means no one and nothing made him. Just like the potential every human has to be rich, smart etc God's existence was simply yet to manifest. It turns out my idea wasn't new. Ancient Egyptianas believed the same of God

The Book of Knowing the Creation of Re and the Overthrow of Chaos (also known as the Bremner-Rhind Papyrus) shows us the ultimate
unnamed God of creation who is later called Atum. Atum’s story is the most ancient creation myth; it arises from Heliopolis, the city of light. The god Atum is the alpha and omega of the Egyptian pantheon. He is the original light vibration emerging from the void. Atum explains how the universe originated from his own body. “In the beginning I became the becoming, being what I created. Atum tells us that at first there was nothing and then he existed. Rising up out of the inertness and the watery abyss, he created an opposite—the primeval mound. How did he do this? I came into being in my heart,” he says. “I saw it all before my eyes. I made every form before sneezing Shu and spitting forth Tefnut." Everything existed as a seed of itself before Atum brought it forth. In his mind and in his desire, life already existed before the physical act of making his creations. In the creation story of Atum. everythinq hinges on the word . . .

[url=https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=GQFZAQAAQBAJ&pg=PT118&lpg=PT118&dq=void+atum&source=bl&ots=DINQsCFCeg&sig=Td7h5Ie5RuKPIIAiRReyhNbObv8&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=void%20atum&f=false]click here to read more[/url]

Note how the bolded is similar to the part in Genesis that states that God saw the light that it was good. It is seeing such similarities Christianity shared with many religions that made me a pantheist. I still am.

kadas01:
Op, please be reminded that it is absolutely "blasphemous"; as well as a complete "heresy" to ever think of such!

I don't think it is blasphemous as you pointed out. Infact, it appears you are using threat and intimidation to make him accept something that he still wonders about.

Be reminided that is not how to teach people; you don't put fear in people so that they just play along. Even if you succeed in intimidating Jhosh with your blasphemy charges, his unresolved questions will still linger in his mind. He can't help it.

When Thomas doubted Resurrection, a very solid bringer of Salvation in Christianity, did the disciples or Jesus Himself charge Thomas with Blasphemy or Heresy?

The truth is that with application of rational mind, we will never accept all religious teachings and/or beliefs. The author of Hebrew is very much aware of this fact, hence he declared in chapter 11 verser 6 NIV, "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him."

Jhosh:

Well thats y i said,ma curiosity wunt kil..(amen

Your curiosity will lead you to the truth.

charlsecy:


I don't think it is blasphemous as you pointed out. Infact, it appears you are using threat and intimidation to make him accept something that he still wonders about.

Be reminided that is not how to teach people; you don't put fear in people so that they just play along. Even if you succeed in intimidating Jhosh with your blasphemy charges, his unresolved questions will still linger in his mind. He can't help it.

When Thomas doubted Resurrection, a very solid bringer of Salvation in Christianity, did the disciples or Jesus Himself charge Thomas with Blasphemy or Heresy?

The truth is that with application of rational mind, we will never accept all religious teachings and/or beliefs. The author of Hebrew is very much aware of this fact, hence he declared in chapter 11 verser 6 NIV, "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him."


Your curiosity will lead you to the truth.

Respect !