Shalom Israel,

In my thread the other day, I disproved a common church teaching. That Ruth mentioned in the bible is a daughter of Moab. I showed she was actually an Israelite of the Tribe of Reuben, dwelling in the Plains of Moab. If in doubt, read the thread in the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/1900491/truth-ruth-moabite..grab-bibles

Today's topic is slightly different. Rahab the Harlot was NOT an Israelite. She was indeed a Canaanite. But that creates a problem that must be cleared up.

The common teaching in churches is that Rahab the Harlot is listed in the genealogy of the Messiah. That is a lie from the pits of hell. And I will prove that beyond ANY doubt.

Secondly, I will prove that Rahab and Rachab are not the same name, even in the Greek. (Sounds obvious, but stay with me).

So here is part of the geology of Yahshua.

Matthew 1:5 "And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;"

Notice it says Salmon begat Booz of Rachab. The common teaching today is that this woman Rachab, is the same as Rahab the Harlot. Your church teaches that Rachab is the greek way of saying Rahab, and since the New Testament was written in Greek (and OT in Hebrew), the translators wrote 'Rachab' instead of 'Rahab'.

My purpose today is to expose this as incorrect.

First, let me give a brief history on the story of Rahab the Harlot. Joshua was leading the Israelites to take over the promised land, the Land of Canaan. The first place they wanted to take over was Jericho. Rahab the Harlot lived in Jericho and was a Canaanite prostitute:

Joshua 2:1 "And Joshua the son of Nun sent out of Shittim two men to spy secretly, saying, Go view the land, even Jericho. And they went, and came into an harlot's house, named Rahab, and lodged there"

Notice the first time Rahab is mentioned in the bible, she is mentioned as a Harlot. Keep this in mind.

So Joshua sends spies to Jericho. The King of Jericho learns there are spies in the land, who were with Rahab. He sends for Rahab so that she can bring the men to him, but she hid them. She told the King:

verse 5: "And it came to pass about the time of shutting of the gate, when it was dark, that the men went out: whither the men went I wot not: pursue after them quickly; for ye shall overtake them."
verse 6: " But she had brought them up to the roof of the house, and hid them with the stalks of flax, which she had laid in order upon the roof.

Because she helped them, they made a deal with her such that they would spare her and her family when Israel came to take over the city.

Joshua 6:21-23
21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her.
23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel.

That's the story basically. She did a good thing for Israel and they let her live. Notice, there is no part of the story where it mentions she married an Israelite man and moved into the camp of Israel to start a family. However, that is exactly what your church teaches.

If anything, the scripture says the exact opposite. Rahab and her family were not even allowed to enter into the camp of Israel.

Joshua 6:23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel.

She dwelled nearby, but not in the camp. But why?

Deut 23:10 "If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp:"

So if an Israelite was unclean or became unclean, he couldn't even enter the camp. He had to go out until he was clean again.

Why?

Deuteronomy 23:14 "For the Lord thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall thy camp be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee, and turn away from thee."

So how would it ever be possible for Rahab the Harlot to enter the camp and marry one of the me of Israel.

What does Holy even mean? It is the Hebrew word qadowsh, and it means:
Sacred, holy,holy one, set apart

i.e. separate. That is why Rahab was put outside the camp.

Now, let's go back and read Matthew 1:5 again.

Matthew 1:5 "And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;"

So again, people say Rachab is Rehab the harlot. But I say to you, this verse actually proves the contrary, that Rachab is not Rahab the Harlot. Let me give you the clue.

Old testament verses mentioning Rahab:

Joshua 2:1 "...And they went, and came into an harlot's house, named Rahab.."

Joshua 6:17 "...only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house..."
Joshua 6:22 "...Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman..."
Joshua 6:25 "...And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household..."

Notice they all refer to her as a Harlot. Rahab the Harlot. The reason it says 'the Harlot' is so you can identify who they are speaking of.

So in the NT, you will be able to identify the same Rahab by the title that was given to her in the old testament. Now let's look at the New Testament verses mentioning Rahab.

Hebrews 11:31 "By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace"
James 2:25 " Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?"

There is no question these refer to Rahab the Harlot.

Matthew is new testament also. But it says:

Matthew 1:5 "And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;"

There is no mention of a Harlot here. And of course, the two NT verses that deal with Rahab the Harlot, call her 'Rahab, not 'Rachab'.

There is no one called 'Rachab the Harlot'. Rachab is an Israelite. Completely different person.

Now, I am going to prove my second point. That the name Rachab is NOT the same as the name Rahab. i.e. that Rachab is not the Greek spelling of the name Rahab.

Joshua 6:25 "And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive..."

Now I'm going to pull out this verse in the Greek:

"Kai eis ten Raab ten pornen"

I have highlighted the name Rahab. It says Raab. So we know the name Rahab in the Greek is Raab.

Now the old testament is written in Hebrew. So what you have jut read is the greek translation of the Hebrew word for Rahab.

The New testament is written in Greek. So when we look at references to Rahab in the New Testament, we should not observe any differences in that name, if this Rahab is indeed Rachab. So let's see:

Hebrews 11:31
"Dia pisteos e porne Raab den sunapolesthe me tous apeithesantas, dechtheisa tous kataskopous me eirenen."

We established the English here above, it deals with Rahab the harlot. We also see the Greek is exactly the same as we saw in Joshua 6:25. Raab.

Let's see if this is true for James 2:25 also:
"Omoios de kai Raab e porne den edikaiothe ex ergon.."

Again, James is dealing with Rahab the Harlot. We know that from the English. And we see the name is also Raab, same as we saw in Joshua 6:25 dealing with the same Rahab the Harlot.

Now let's see if Matthew 1:5 has the same Rahab in the Greek. If it is, then perhaps one could argue that Rachab is that Rahab the Harlot, the Canaanite woman.

If it is not, then we have conclusively proved that Rachab mentioned in the genealogy of the Messiah, is NOT the Canaanite Harlot, Rahab. Without further adieu:

"Salmon de egennese ton Booz ek tes Rachab, Booz de egennese ton Obed ek tes Routh, Obed de egennese ton Iessai,"

Rachab! Not Raab like in the other verse.

When you even compare the names, written in Greek alphabet, they are completely different:

Rahab = Raab = Ῥαὰβ (i.e. Rahab the Harlot)

Rachab = Rachab = Ῥαχάβ (i.e. Rachab, mentioned in the genealogy of the Messiah)

Completely different.

Therefore, these are two different women. No translation issue here, we are comparing Greek with Greek.

We have proved without a doubt that the common teaching in the church, that Rahab the Harlot is mentioned in the genealogy of the Messiah, is completely false.

The Most High is raising true Israel once more ( You Yoruba, igbo, ashanti, Ewe et al, are the true descendants of Israel).

Christianity will stumble at these passages and many others because they keep not the laws of the Most High. There's is a perversion of the truth. As with Islam and other world religions.

Ecclesiasticus 1:26 “If thou desire wisdom, keep the commandments, and the Lord shall give her unto thee”
Psalms 111:10 “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.”
Ecclesiasticus 21:11 “He that keepeth the Law of the Lord getteth the understanding thereof: and the perfection of the fear of the Lord is wisdom”

Let us turn to the Most High once more and keep his commandments.

Shalom

And how does that affect the second coming of Christ?

Unionised: And how does that affect the second coming of Christ?

Lol. By that line of reasoning, one could say "my church can teach any falsehood, as long as it does not affect the second coming".

JesusisLord85:

Lol. By that line of reasoning, one could say "my church can teach any falsehood, as long as it does not affect the second coming".

My point is that we should follow our own salvation with fear and trembling.

Jesus is the way.

Let's leave Rahab for the HISTORIANS...

Unionised:

My point is that we should follow[b] our own salvation[/b] with fear and trembling.

Jesus is the way.

Let's leave Rahab for the HISTORIANS...

Not sure what you mean.

All I am doing is rightly dividing the word. You ought to be joyful that truth is being upheld.

Amos 5:10 "They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly"

@ OP I understand fully, just the same way tithe doctrine is used by pastors to milk members.

@Op
You may have a point here. However, in Jesus' genealogy in Mathew, only four women are mentioned. Rahab (which you say is actually Rachab),Ruth, Tamar and Bathsheba (the wife of Uriah)

I always thought these women are mentioned because their stories are in the old testament. If however, Rahab is not Rahab the harlot, then who is she and why is she specifically mentioned?

Not seeking an argument here, just curious.

My own bible says 'Rahab', not 'Rachab' in Matthew 1:5. So?

honeychild: @Op
You may have a point here. However, in Jesus' genealogy in Mathew, only four women are mentioned. Rahab (which you say is actually Rachab),Ruth, Tamar and Bathsheba (the wife of Uriah)

I always thought these women are mentioned because their stories are in the old testament. If however, Rahab is not Rahab the harlot, then who is she and why is she specifically mentioned?

Not seeking an argument here, just curious.

You are right, only 4 are mentioned, and the other 3 are notable. But we can only speculate. However, the evidence shows they are not the same.

Once Israel settled in their land, Rahab dwelled with one of the tribe, which one, we don't know. But here, the two key things are:

1. No mention of Harlot
2. When we read in the greek bible, the names are not the same, albeit similar.

Also in Matthew 1:6, it talks about David's wife Bathsheba.

Matthew 1:6 "And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;"

The genealogy does not forget to explain that Bathsheba had been Uriah's wife. It would be awfully strange the omission of Rachab being a harlot, if indeed she is Rahab.

Shalom

sholay2011: My own bible says 'Rahab', not 'Rachab' in Matthew 1:5. So?

Which version is that?
You should consider modern versions try to enter their own interpretation of things. This is why I stick to KJV.

When people say the word of God is infallible, that is true in a sense. But we cannot ignore the fact that the word was not written in our language. Some things will get lost in translation, and in this case, it seems they simply inserted the name they thought was correct

imas: @ OP I understand fully, just the same way tithe doctrine is used by pastors to milk members.

Interestingly, tithes is the issue I plan to shed light on next. Hope to find time this week or next.

Shalom

JesusisLord85:

Not sure what you mean.

All I am doing is rightly dividing the word. You ought to be joyful that truth is being upheld.

Amos 5:10 "They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly"

Like I said, how does rahab affect your faith?

Rightly divide the New Testament and leave history alone.

You want to win souls in the name of Rahab?

Give it a rest.

Unionised:

Like I said, how does rahab affect your faith?

Rightly divide the New Testament and leave history alone.

You want to win souls in the name of Rahab?

Give it a rest.

lol. Another so-called christian that only reads the epistles.

It is ok, you continue there. I'll stick to understanding the only scripture that prevailed at the time. The law and the prophets. That is what was being taught in the NT jare.

Thank you

JesusisLord85:

lol. Another so-called christian that only reads the epistles.

It is ok, you continue there. I'll stick to understanding the only scripture that prevailed at the time. The law and the prophets. That is what was being taught in the NT jare.

Thank you

Whatever rocks your boat...

You nailed this one, Brother! You nailed it finally.

I marvel at the scale of the deception, gargantuan is an understatement. Imagine turning a whole race of people, nay, the whole world, into zombies? Phew!

Slight but insidious changes; KJV, the authentic Bible says Rachab, NIV says Rahab. SMH.

King James Version (KJV)
Matthew 1:5
5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

New International Version (NIV)
Matthew 1:5
Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse,

The scale of deception is mind boggling.

Esau my brother, why??

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

MrPresident1: You nailed this one, Brother! You nailed it finally.

I marvel at the scale of the deception, gargantuan is an understatement. Imagine turning a whole race of people, nay, the whole world, into zombies? Phew!

Slight but insidious changes; KJV, the authentic Bible says Rachab, NIV says Rahab. SMH.

King James Version (KJV)
Matthew 1:5
5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

New International Version (NIV)
Matthew 1:5
Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse,

The scale of deception is mind boggling.

Esau my brother, why??

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

My brother, the scale of the deception is mind boggling. Each time I go to study a topic, I almost fear for what I will find

But it seems, in africa, the americas, and UK, some brothers are slowly waking up. May the momentum build and not cease.

I think you should re-examine your opinion in Joshua 6:23 " ....and left them without the camp".. What this place imply is that they were taken outside the city to the camp of the isrealites soldiers outside the city( remember it was a battle, and that act was a rescue mission, so they were rescued and taken to the camp of the isrealites for temporal safety pending till when jericho will be defeated)
Now look at..... "Joshua 6:25 "And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho."...
....this was after the victory, the bible said they dwelleth in isreal thereafter...which is simple and plain to interpret!!!!
I just wanted to point out that to you!

do Rehab and Rechab live in the same time frame?

MoyoGENERAL: I think you should re-examine your opinion in Joshua 6:23 " ....and left them without the camp".. What this place imply is that they were taken outside the city to the camp of the isrealites soldiers outside the city( remember it was a battle, and that act was a rescue mission, so they were rescued and taken to the camp of the isrealites for temporal safety pending till when jericho will be defeated)
Now look at..... "Joshua 6:25 "And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho."...
....this was after the victory, the bible said they dwelleth in isreal thereafter...which is simple and plain to interpret!!!!
I just wanted to point out that to you!

First of all, you have speculated. Let me help you on your first point:

Leviticus 13:46 All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be.

Leviticus 24:14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.

Numbers 31:19 "And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.

Any man defiled, must remain outside the camp of Israel. They had to wait 7 days before they could be purified. The reason being, the Most High dwelled among them.
This is not about Saving Private Ryan as you suppose.
Imagine someone standing in church saying that. In the wise words of Jonathan, "that is not correct"

As per your second point. I already mentioned this, so it is not like you have said something we are unaware of. Again, let me break it down:

Joshua 6:25 "And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.

Now, when they saved Rehab, did Israel dwell in the land of Israel? Or were they camping other side of Jordan? They were dwelling in tents. The author writes "to this day" which means the woman was probably alive at the time he wrote it, but note, he is writing in present tense. He did not say "Rehab came into the camp and dwelled with us to this day".

Once Israel settled in the land, and the tribes were in their respective inheritance, then of course Rehab would have dwelled in one of the cities in the vast land. At the time they met her, she was an unclean prostitute. No way she could dwell among Israel till she had been purified, and became as the other strangers they lived among them, i.e. kept the same laws.

So, again, your point is not valid in terms of supporting the 'Rehab was a descendant of Yahshua' camp.

JesusisLord85:

First of all, you have speculated. Let me help you on your first point:

Leviticus 13:46 All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be.

Leviticus 24:14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.

Numbers 31:19 "And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.

Any man defiled, must remain outside the camp of Israel. They had to wait 7 days before they could be purified. The reason being, the Most High dwelled among them.
This is not about Saving Private Ryan as you suppose.
Imagine someone standing in church saying that. In the wise words of Jonathan, "that is not correct"

As per your second point. I already mentioned this, so it is not like you have said something we are unaware of. Again, let me break it down:

Joshua 6:25 "And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.

Now, when they saved Rehab, did Israel dwell in the land of Israel? Or were they camping other side of Jordan? They were dwelling in tents. The author writes "to this day" which means the woman was probably alive at the time he wrote it, but note, he is writing in present tense. He did not say "Rehab came into the camp and dwelled with us to this day".

Once Israel settled in the land, and the tribes were in their respective inheritance, then of course Rehab would have dwelled in one of the cities in the vast land. At the time they met her, she was an unclean prostitute. No way she could dwell among Israel till she had been purified, and became as the other strangers they lived among them, i.e. kept the same laws.

So, again, your point is not valid in terms of supporting the 'Rehab was a descendant of Yahshua' camp.

....the last time I checked, I did not put up that point to support or go against rahab being a descendant of Jesus.....
I think I now have a better understanding of v23..after the clarification!!!!
...
but Rahab could have married someone else in Israel( aside from salmon)...after her purification?

You first said and I quote:
" So how would it ever be possible for Rahab the Harlot to enter the camp and marry one of the me of Israel."...
....later you said....
" Once Israel settled in the land, and the tribes were in their respective inheritance, then of course Rehab would have
dwelled in one of the cities in the vast land"....
.......the first statement then should have a purification clause if the answer to my question is "yes"

MoyoGENERAL:

....the last time I checked, I did not put up that point to support or go against rahab being a descendant of Jesus.....
I think I now have a better understanding of v23..after the clarification!!!!
...
but Rahab could have married someone else in Israel( aside from salmon)...after her purification?

You first said and I quote:
" So how would it ever be possible for Rahab the Harlot to enter the camp and marry one of the me of Israel."...
....later you said....
" Once Israel settled in the land, and the tribes were in their respective inheritance, then of course Rehab would have
dwelled in one of the cities in the vast land"....
.......the first statement then should have a purification clause if the answer to my question is "yes"

Rehab was a daughter of Canaan.

Deuteronomy 7:
1.When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

Abraham must have known something about this too:

Genesis 28:16 When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away to Padanaram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughers of Canaan;

Shalom

It seems to me that this and the topic of Ruth actually being an Israelite prove one very important point. God follows his own laws, especially in establishing the Messiah. If this were not true, there would be legitimate space to doubt the almighty God. By careful study of every topic, it helps us establish our own faith even more.

JesusisLord85:
Shalom Israel,
In my thread the other day, I disproved a common church teaching. That Ruth mentioned in the bible is a daughter of Moab. I showed she was actually an Israelite of the Tribe of Reuben, dwelling in the Plains of Moab. If in doubt, read the thread in the link below.
https://www.nairaland.com/1900491/truth-ruth-moabite..grab-bibles
Today's topic is slightly different. Rahab the Harlot was NOT an Israelite. She was indeed a Canaanite. But that creates a problem that must be cleared up.
The common teaching in churches is that Rahab the Harlot is listed in the genealogy of the Messiah. That is a lie from the pits of hell. And I will prove that beyond ANY doubt.
Secondly, I will prove that Rahab and Rachab are not the same name, even in the Greek. (Sounds obvious, but stay with me).
So here is part of the geology of Yahshua.
Matthew 1:5 "And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;"
Notice it says Salmon begat Booz of Rachab. The common teaching today is that this woman Rachab, is the same as Rahab the Harlot. Your church teaches that Rachab is the greek way of saying Rahab, and since the New Testament was written in Greek (and OT in Hebrew), the translators wrote 'Rachab' instead of 'Rahab'.

Interesting topic!

Actually, all the doctrines and traditions of your churches are founded on lies meaning none of what you glean from the mouths of your many pastors and mogs — gods of men — are of God.