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| The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by helpee(m): 6:28am On Sep 17, 2014 |
Why are Nigerians so quick to criticise every move this government makes to secure their lives. Intelligence world knows that such practice is commonplace the world over with everybody involved from FBI, KGB and everybody. To an average Nigerian, the money is either being laundered or FG is sponsoring book haram. Rubbish! There are two possibilities..... One is that Nigeria security need those military hardware so fast and so urgent that they can't wait to follow normal diplomatic channels. It happens world over. If book haram is about to attack Maiduguri and you know it will happen in a few days and diplomatic means of getting hardware takes weeks you go through the backdoor and use cash! Second scenario is that you want to buy wares that the International community are not willing to sell. In that case you go through private negotiators to get d arms through the backdoor. Nigeria is in war! You defend your territory first before u start talking about due process . Another reason for the transaction maybe to beat d Mole! It is obvious that book haram has infiltrated the military so much they will know what Fg is buying and when it will arrive if you use normal channels. With cash nobody knows what you are buying and when. I can bet my life the deal was done because of one or all d above reasons but FG can never come to say so cos such information require maximum classification. Be informed Nigerians. The international community will not defend Nigeria..... Only FG will and in War all is fair. Nigerians should realise that d FG is not dumb to quickly admit the money is theirs if something unheard of has happened. Only intelligent comments pls 11 Likes 6 Shares |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by 2cato: 6:56am On Sep 17, 2014 |
I have been thinking in that direction for sometime now. Certainly the sponsors of BH are not dumb people as usual and the fg knows that. |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by hushmail: 7:22am On Sep 17, 2014 |
FG failed d first law of criminals : do not get caught i only hope there is reasonable justification 4 d move 1 Like |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by Nobody: 7:27am On Sep 17, 2014 |
OP u have a point; nigeria iss corrupt YES, buh they rre really trying to surb thiis! I reeally am thinking in line wt yu; n dats why, I have never commented about this; Even our police; they re desperate moves to mek it a honourabble organization; the police hass No authority to harrass aany nigerian; buh becos of d naiviety and illiteracy of our ppopulace ppluss d long military anarchical rule; we no longer know our rights, nn tend to fall prey to their oppression!!! Nigerians sit Upp; nigeria is Changing!!! Let's help n change it into d con3 we desire it to be!!! |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by Abagworo(m): 7:41am On Sep 17, 2014 |
Your reasons are too simplistic and the use of Oritsejafor's jet even makes it more suspicious. Going by his past anti-Islamic remarks and fueling of religious crisis in Jos, I feel he has questions to answer with regards to terrorism in Nigeria. Wait a minute and imagine how you will feel if that Jet belonged to Sanusi and the person involved bares Abubakar Mohammed. 4 Likes |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by Rawani: 7:43am On Sep 17, 2014 |
Your two scenarios lack logic and are dead on arrival. 1. Is it faster to make a purchase through wire transfer or cash? If the act was neccessitated by urgency, the arms could have been ordered on phone or electronically and money transferred to the dealers account in a fraction of a minute, instead of chartering a plane, getting unused brand new bills, packing them into suitcases, co-ordinating logistics and flying hours to SA, when it's obvious $10m worth of arms can't fit on a plane, so whats the use? which is faster and more efficient? 2. Nigeria is a signatory to several international groups such as the AU, UN etc. and the only way we can be refused sale of weapons is if we are sanctioned by these organizations from being sold arms, or if we are trying to purchase arms from a country or organization that is apologetic to the cause of Nigeria's enemies. Both of these scenarios are not the case so your assertions hold no water. There are actually two main reasons people engage in these type of transactions with CASH instead of bank transfer: 1. Money Laundering - this is basically a way of transforming proceeds from a crime like looting into legitimate money or assets (in this case). However the government who is the client here has other means of hiding looted funds; if they could hide $20b, whats $10m? This is not the only reason they chose to use cash. 2. Eliminating the Paper Trail - All bank transactions leave a trail of documents which could attract attention or be used in investigations against a criminal. Using cash reduces this paper trail to the barest minimum as the transaction becomes simple 'cash and carry'. While this might look like the most likely scenario in this case, the government is actually more sinister. The FG despite its characteristic failure in almost all sectors, seems to have managed to develop an efficient hybrid of the above two scenarios. A self-sustaining evil system that can go undetected to the untrained eye. The government's actions in this case, while being able to launder stolen money from the defence budget - transforming stolen funds to weapons in the name of the FG, then diverting these weapons to arm BH, who then unleash even more deadly attacks where our military assets are siezed which then triggers the need for an increased defence budget which is then looted and used to buy more arms for BH. This vicious cycle repeats itself again and again, netting billions for FG's criminals and leaving Nigerians none the wiser. All these are done while eliminating the paper trail, which is why i said the FG developed a ruggedly efficient hybrid of the two scenario's. Evil however, always has a way of consuming itself. We are watching. 9 Likes |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by PointB: 8:17am On Sep 17, 2014 |
helpee: Why are Nigerians so quick to criticise every move this government makes to secure their lives. Intelligence world knows that such practice is commonplace the world over with everybody involved from FBI, KGB and everybody. To an average Nigerian, the money is either being laundered or FG is sponsoring book haram. Rubbish! There are two possibilities..... One is that Nigeria security need those military hardware so fast and so urgent that they can't wait to follow normal diplomatic channels. It happens world over. If book haram is about to attack Maiduguri and you know it will happen in a few days and diplomatic means of getting hardware takes weeks you go through the backdoor and use cash! Second scenario is that you want to buy wares that the International community are not willing to sell. In that case you go through private negotiators to get d arms through the backdoor. Nigeria is in war! You defend your territory first before u start talking about due process . Another reason for the transaction maybe to beat d Mole! It is obvious that book haram has infiltrated the military so much they will know what Fg is buying and when it will arrive if you use normal channels. With cash nobody knows what you are buying and when. I can bet my life the deal was done because of one or all d above reasons but FG can never come to say so cos such information require maximum classification. Be informed Nigerians. The international community will not defend Nigeria..... Only FG will and in War all is fair. Nigerians should realise that d FG is not dumb to quickly admit the money is theirs if something unheard of has happened. Only intelligent comments pls Make perfect sense! Thanks for the insight! 1 Like |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by Nobody: 8:39am On Sep 17, 2014 |
helpee: Why are Nigerians so quick to criticise every move this government makes to secure their lives. Intelligence world knows that such practice is commonplace the world over with everybody involved from FBI, KGB and everybody. To an average Nigerian, the money is either being laundered or FG is sponsoring book haram. Rubbish! There are two possibilities..... One is that Nigeria security need those military hardware so fast and so urgent that they can't wait to follow normal diplomatic channels. It happens world over. If book haram is about to attack Maiduguri and you know it will happen in a few days and diplomatic means of getting hardware takes weeks you go through the backdoor and use cash! Second scenario is that you want to buy wares that the International community are not willing to sell. In that case you go through private negotiators to get d arms through the backdoor. Nigeria is in war! You defend your territory first before u start talking about due process . Another reason for the transaction maybe to beat d Mole! It is obvious that book haram has infiltrated the military so much they will know what Fg is buying and when it will arrive if you use normal channels. With cash nobody knows what you are buying and when. I can bet my life the deal was done because of one or all d above reasons but FG can never come to say so cos such information require maximum classification. Be informed Nigerians. The international community will not defend Nigeria..... Only FG will and in War all is fair. Nigerians should realise that d FG is not dumb to quickly admit the money is theirs if something unheard of has happened. Only intelligent comments pls So in essence, you are justifying corruption. Just so you know, must of those arm robbers you sentenced to jail and death have even more genuine reason to steal. But does that justify stealing? Be mindful of what you type bro. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by egift(m): 8:44am On Sep 17, 2014 |
TANiods, Jonathanians and Cankerworms defending Incompetence since sliced bread. NEXT! 4 Likes |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by helpee(m): 9:10am On Sep 17, 2014 |
You still don't get it. Making a wire transfer is faster but arms is not always available simply because you have cash. There are procedures and once the transfer is traceable then you must follow procedures. Have u ever heard of black market? You don't use bank for such transaction in security settings. The seller is probably the one that made request for cash so their govt may not know they are selling such. Look the possibilities are endless. The crime the FG committed is that they got caught so they deserve all the bashing they get but suggesting that it was meant to sponsor boko haram is a no no no ! Rawani: Your two scenarios lack logic and are dead on arrival. |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by aderonila18: 9:18am On Sep 17, 2014 |
helpee: You still don't get it. Making a wire transfer is faster but arms is not always available simply because you have cash. There are procedures and once the transfer is traceable then you must follow procedures. Have u ever heard of black market? You don't use bank for such transaction in security settings. The seller is probably the one that made request for cash so their govt may not know they are selling such. Look the possibilities are endless. The crime the FG committed is that they got caught so they deserve all the bashing they get but suggesting that it was meant to sponsor boko haram is a no no no !. "The seller is probably the one that made request for cash so their govt may not know they are selling such" Won't that mean the government of Nigeria is conducting business with a criminal? The army is not supposed to buy black market weapons, there are legitimate approved companies that sell weapons and a Country fighting terrorism has no need to go to the black market. If the government knows that this seller is trying to evade his Country knowing he's selling arms which means it's an illegal deal why would a Country and it's government get involved in that. Basically what you're saying is that the Nigerian government was caught buying weapons on the black market and aiding a criminal to break the laws of another country? 3 Likes |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by helpee(m): 9:32am On Sep 17, 2014 |
Weapon market is more complex than that. Nigeria is in deep shit. Think about it.....why do you think Nigerian army is obviously overpowered by book haram in terms of weaponry? They get it from d backdoor so its faster. Nigeria abandoned its army for long. Rearming the army through legal means alone takes years and a lot of bilateral agreement with other armies willing to share technology and weapon with them. If book haram is going to take over Maiduguri other stuffs become secondary. We will buy ist and use diplomacy to sort out the remaining. U mean once its illegal to buy arms in a faster way Nigeria shouldn't buy until book haram overrun us simply because one south African country thinks its illegal. How do you think Iran acquire weapons despite serious sanctions against it? Through the backdoor. So Iran should not arm itself just because America thinks its illegal? There is more to govt than what you read on paper. aderonila18: . 1 Like |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by infohenry(m): 9:41am On Sep 17, 2014 |
aderonila18: .. My friend don't waste time and energy educating this guy please. Just imagine what he wrote up there as the reason a responsible government will indulge in illegal arm deal. I weep for the future of this country because with this kind of youths there is no redemption. 5 Likes |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by aderonila18: 9:53am On Sep 17, 2014 |
infohenry: . My friend don't waste time and energy educating this guy please. Just imagine what he wrote up there as the reason a responsible government will indulge in illegal arm deal. I weep for the future of this country because with this kind youths there is no redemption. The dude is saying things he doesn't understand the repercussions of. As a Country fighting home grown terrorism, the UN and other such organizations obviously recognize Nigeria's need to buy weapons quickly an Nigeria can easily approach them to facilitate the process. Instead he is saying our government decided to become like Iran who is known for breaking international laws and that is why they've received various sanctions all along. Do you know that a government breaking the law of another Country and engaging in illegal arms purchase on it's soil can be taken as an act of war? Then please explain to me why it's only the Private Jet of CAN that the government saw it fit to involve in their illegal operation? 2 Likes |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by helpee(m): 10:04am On Sep 17, 2014 |
my friend I understand what I am saying more than you care to know. secret arm deal is not always illegal. have u heard that SA govt already released the plane? so if its illegal you think they will do so?. so you think because UN knows we need weapons they will just instruct countries to sell for us sharp sharp and they will obey. one day God will help you to move close to people that actually make things to happen internationally rather than your guesswork on nairaland then you will truly understand that in international politics your interest first. UN is only interested in setting up refugee camp than ensuring you get weapons. it is your responbility and countries are not obliged to share their technology with you aderonila18: 1 Like |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by helpee(m): 10:14am On Sep 17, 2014 |
infohenry: . My friend don't waste time and energy educating this guy please. Just imagine what he wrote up there as the reason a responsible government will indulge in illegal arm deal. I weep for the future of this country because with this kind youths there is no redemption.and now that you have decided to waste your time by educating me can you kindly excuse us for more intelligent contributions cos you will be needed to continue your weeping as Nigeria deals heavy blow on book haram. for your information, security and weapon is very very secretive. we don't have to always allow SA or other countries to know the kind of weapon you have in your weaponry. it is always a secret deal so you can continue weeping 1 Like |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by Ymodulus: 10:21am On Sep 17, 2014 |
Why are Nigerians so quick to criticise every move this government makes to secure their lives.Because they have no trust for the government. Intelligence world knows that such practice is commonplace the world over with everybody involved from FBI, KGB and everybody.Its only a conventional practice in place like USA , Russia and other civilized nations where the budget on Security and Defence systems outweighs the other sectoral finances. Its only a Norm in places where they government announce the use of $30Billion to acquire Weapons and actually show prove of expenditure not in countries where the government are pure breed liars that tells the whole world she gave scholarahips to some kidnap chibok girls in the U.S not a country where her Government budgets $30Billion and uses $100 thousand only and of all goes to Togo to get one 17980 Grenade, or Baletre 347 Isreali To an average Nigerian, the money is either being launderedBecause that's the norm. 98% of money of this kind are laundered. There are two possibilities..... One is that Nigeria security need those military hardware so fast and so urgent that they can't wait to follow normal diplomatic channels. It happens world over. If book haram is about to attack Maiduguri and you know it will happen in a few days and diplomatic means of getting hardware takes weeks you go through the backdoor and use cash!You statement is a subjective one and right only in countries where truth can be accounted for. In all previous attack tell me one that the Government had prevented before hand  Was it the Nyanya bombing? Was it Mubi Adamwa State? Was it Bauchi? Was it Yobe?? Was it Borno?? Name oneSecond scenario is that you want to buy wares that the International community are not willing to sell. In that case you go through private negotiators to get d arms through the backdoor.Common last I check we don't buy such kind of wares. Nigeria military have nothing. I have you seen what Kenyan military uses? Have you seen Rocket launchers of the best, SARS 457 Have you seen where a country military recruite uses an Israeli Semi Automatic Have you seen where police uses British Baretta 10mm the kind James bond uses??Those are hardwares not the big rounded pistol that have two rounds u see with the Nigeria police force or the dead old weapon can't recall the name that the Nigerian Army uses Nigeria is in war! Nigwria is in no war. We are war ourselves You defend your territory first before u start talking about due process . Another reason for the transaction maybe to beat d Mole! Are you serious ?? Mole?? Are you quick to forget the case of large fund laundering sanctioned by the Central bank and exposed during. Sanusi lamido sanusi tenure What was done?? Nothing same old way of setting up a committee of crooks and fraudstars which recommendation or findings are dumped
This still boils down to trust even when the deal does not require secrecy the money are stolen . is it now it requires secrecy they won't be
Nigeria is not at war. Nigeria is war. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by Rawani: 10:26am On Sep 17, 2014 |
helpee: You still don't get it. Making a wire transfer is faster but arms is not always available simply because you have cash. There are procedures and once the transfer is traceable then you must follow procedures. Have u ever heard of black market? You don't use bank for such transaction in security settings. The seller is probably the one that made request for cash so their govt may not know they are selling such. Look the possibilities are endless. The crime the FG committed is that they got caught so they deserve all the bashing they get but suggesting that it was meant to sponsor boko haram is a no no no ! You have not made any sense, all i see is you shooting in different directions hoping to hit any target. What is your point and the logic behind it? 2 Likes |
| Re: The Arm's Deal In South Africa Is Legitimate In Times Of War. by joseph1832(m): 12:13am On Sep 18, 2014 |
helpee: Why are Nigerians so quick to criticise every move this government makes to secure their lives. Intelligence world knows that such practice is commonplace the world over with everybody involved from FBI, KGB and everybody. To an average Nigerian, the money is either being laundered or FG is sponsoring book haram. Rubbish! There are two possibilities..... One is that Nigeria security need those military hardware so fast and so urgent that they can't wait to follow normal diplomatic channels. It happens world over. If book haram is about to attack Maiduguri and you know it will happen in a few days and diplomatic means of getting hardware takes weeks you go through the backdoor and use cash! Second scenario is that you want to buy wares that the International community are not willing to sell. In that case you go through private negotiators to get d arms through the backdoor. Nigeria is in war! You defend your territory first before u start talking about due process . Another reason for the transaction maybe to beat d Mole! It is obvious that book haram has infiltrated the military so much they will know what Fg is buying and when it will arrive if you use normal channels. With cash nobody knows what you are buying and when. I can bet my life the deal was done because of one or all d above reasons but FG can never come to say so cos such information require maximum classification. Be informed Nigerians. The international community will not defend Nigeria..... Only FG will and in War all is fair. Nigerians should realise that d FG is not dumb to quickly admit the money is theirs if something unheard of has happened. Only intelligent comments plsImagine the U.S.A, Russia, China even South Africa and Egypt buying arms in times like this. Mr man please stop saying what you really can't comprehend. According to your reasons: A country only needs to stop purchasing arms when its at war?. What happened to the motor of the boy scout "Be Prepared". Any country that knows it onus will arm its military to the teeth whether there's war or not. If the government really know what they are doing they would have equipped the military from day one not wait for Boko Haram or Niger Delta Militants of whatever blood thirsty group to unleash mayhem on it's citizens before they try and use fire brigade approach to purchase arms and ammunitions. 1 Like |
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