rationalmind:

Proponents of the heaven and hell sham and those who believe in it.

Elantracey:
I went out with a couple of my friends for reach out today and I was prompted to ask the people I met the reason why they were Christians and amazingly I got the same response from them all -to go to heaven then I asked why but most of them couldn't give a straight answer while the once that gave said to meet God and Jesus.


On my way back I began to wonder what really is Christianity , biblically what's its aim and purpose ? is it just to die one day and go to heaven or its something more than that.


Now am prompted to ask peradventure Jesus came down from heaven today and says there's no heaven or hell that this life is all there is, what will be your reaction and will you still remain a Christian ?

BodyKiss:

Before I headed the gate out of religion, I always tell my friends that I don't really care any bit about heaven, that I will focus on doing and being good to others. If at the end of the day, God doesn't find that good enough, then so be it.

Elantracey:


So you're already out of the gate?

BodyKiss:

Yep, already out.

rationalmind:

The earlier you stop believing in that farce of heaven and hell, the better.

Remember the easiest way to control people is to give them something to fear.

That should explain how heaven and hell came to be.

Elantracey:


so what have been your achievement since then ?

BodyKiss:

My achievement compare to what?

alentyno:
Is the 'control' for your own good or that of the proponents?

Elantracey:


as Christians we have nothing to fear , its religion that instil fear in people .

alentyno:
Rationalmind how far na? How long will it take you to prepare your own robust reply ni?

Elantracey:


as Christians we have nothing to fear , its religion that instil fear in people .

rationalmind:

You really think I have the time to answer such inane questions?

Since I'm sure you can't see the question is inane, an analogy will do.

A con man controls and deceives me, you warn me he's controlling me with fear. Someone comes to ask you if the control is for your own good or that of the conmen.

How does the question sound to you? And you wonder why I never bothered replying?

rationalmind:

Does that imply you're not scared of going to hell? The thoughts of that fire that burns with brimstone doesn't scare you?

You're not scared of eventually going to hell after depriving yourself of life goodies?

rationalmind:

Does that imply you're not scared of going to hell? The thoughts of that fire that burns with brimstone doesn't scare you?

You're not scared of eventually going to hell after depriving yourself of life goodies?

rationalmind:

Ooh and wait, christianity isn't a religion?

asalimpo: If No Hell, what did He die for?
Y did he suffer a cruel death ,
y d marks on his hands and feet?
In essence He lied to us- he'd b judged?
In essence He did the devils work.

If No hell, wat is satan decieving for?
If no Hell where will sons of satan like hitler,stalin,abacha,saddam hussein, osama bin laden
b chillin at?
Even earthly prison is modelled after d hell thing- a place to hold undesirable human elements outta of reach of society.

If there's no heaven ,where is God at? Where ar d angels at? Wattabout them mansions God son was building?

This question is logically incorrect and inadmissible for consideration.

Elantracey:

Is it stated in the bible that Jesus did died so we could make heaven ? if that's the case then what of the saints that died before Jesus came ?
Jesus died to reconcile us back to God and one of the benefits of that is making heaven.

asalimpo:

Jesus is the SUBSTITUTE for Man.
Taking on Man's sins , He went where Man shudve gone - Hell.

John3.16 " ... Should not PERISH but Have Everlasting Life " .
So Jesus came so that no death(Hell) and for Everlasting Life .
If there's no unpleasant consequences y is salvation then necessary? Salvation from what?
Hell mainly then other lesser things.

Jesus also left to prepare a place for all who accept him.
That where He is his people will b also.
And He will b their God and walk in their midst and they will b his people.
Heaven is temporary, ultimately man is meant for earth but in d meanwhile ...
Heaven is the next stop @ death
Or rapture.

asalimpo: If No Hell, what did He die for?
Y did he suffer a cruel death ,
y d marks on his hands and feet?
In essence He lied to us- he'd b judged?
In essence He did the devils work.

If No hell, wat is satan decieving for?
If no Hell where will sons of satan like hitler,stalin,abacha,saddam hussein, osama bin laden
b chillin at?
Even earthly prison is modelled after d hell thing- a place to hold undesirable human elements outta of reach of society.

If there's no heaven ,where is God at? Where ar d angels at? Wattabout them mansions God son was building?

This question is logically incorrect and inadmissible for consideration.

Nobleval: Oh my goodness!...man you need to take it easy!According to some
estimates, there are
roughly 4,200 religions in the world. "If No hell, wat is satan
decieving for?
If no Hell where will sons
of satan like
hitler,stalin,abacha,saddam
hussein, osama bin laden b chillin at?" you say what? Just because you're a christian-a religion that fortunately has a lot of followers- doesn't make the concept of hell or heaven real. The concept of life after death remains a mystery to us. I don't bother myself with them. What happens to the followers of the 4200+ religion? For all we know,they have their own teaching and beliefs concerning life after death. My question for Elantracey is this: if hell or heaven is real,where will muslims and the followers of other religion go?
what happens to the billions that never heard of christ?

Elantracey:


Like the bible said Jesus won't come till all the four corners of the earth has heard the gospel . And as for your other question am not God , am just his child , him alone is the judge and has the answer to that question .

Nobleval: @bolded. The bible again? why don't you answer that from your own perspective? Leave the holy book out of it,dear. Don't get me wrong-we all are children of God.
We have many religous texts and one can pull out references from there http://www.adherents.com/adh_influbooks.html
But we tend to forget that when we make the references-like you just did now-we don't really answer the questions directed to us,but evade them.

Elantracey:


dearie the truth is we can't totally leave the Bible out of it because my perspective is God's perspective and God's perspective is his word .

iammo6: Rubbish

Nobleval: I give up. You sound like a member of Jehovah Witness. What is your thought on the teachings of the Roman Catholic which believes in the existence of Purgatory?