Itz sad that the only tin Adekunle is remembered for is the killing of Ibos.
If d civil war had happened d oda way round,I'm sure an Ibo soldier would av marched on yoruba and hausaland with equal pomp and effrontery.

Itz just unfortunate that a purported cleansing by Major Kaduna remotely started d civil war.

The East feel Nigeria owe dem an apology and I make bold to say that it will not happen;U don't expect pple who knw "nothing" abt d war to apologize.
The wound is still fresh.Many of them were killed and maimed.I listened to Ojukwu's speech yesterday also.He mentioned three separate years in which Ibos were literally hunted and killed including 1966;they had no choice but to react.
Nigeria owes dem reparation;itz standard practice.We set dem back a hundred years in term of development.Even German was made to pay for d destruction it caused during WWII.German and Israel av a reparation agreement as regard the Holocaust;itz the proper way to appease victims of this kinda action.

I was watching an interview(from d archives) granted by Ahamdu Bello many year ago.

He said " D average Ibo man wants to dominate...If we av vacancy and we can't find a northerner to fill up,we look for an expatriate..."He also talked abt how they(North) made sure they populated the federal civil service with their kinsmen...an excerpt of d interview.


D above statement from a supposed hero past shows tribalism has been wit us longer dan d entity called Nigeria.

We are not ready to live as a Nation yet;we are just deceiving ourselves.We really need to iron out issues;address the elephant in the room.The national conference afforded us a platform to do dis but unfortunately,it turned out to be a social gathering.

It easier for a queen bee to emerge leader in Nigeria than for an Ibo man to be president.Why? Trust issues.Wen need to get over this and many more before progress can be made.We can go back and forth,paint black white but nothing will change until we sit down,look ourselves in the face and TALK

There is absolutely nothing wrong, for a people, to decide that they want out of a sovereign union. If the Igbos want out of Nigeria, then a simple referendum is all that is needed.

The pursuit of Happiness, Liberty and Peace is desire of all humans, but to take up arms against each other, makes us less than goats and cows.

The Igbos are dominating, Yes, its not a vice, its actually a strong point. Adekunle was called Black Scorpion for a reason, he shot at everything that move in the East, including women and children, aged parents and even lifestock. That is a war crime, and I call him a war criminal, so he died a war criminal, and that was the chief reason he died begging the people he killed in unwary-like tactics.

Quite apt.

Did u hear of the chaos dat ensued in the house of assembly wen a minute silence was requested to honour Adekunle?It shows d wound is still fresh as ever.This is my reason for soliciting dialouge and reparation.
We both know the oil factor won't make. D referendum as easy as u put.
I agree wit u dat the Igbos are very enterprising but my grouse wit Ahmadu Bello was saying it on TV.He implied dat even if an igbo man is d most qualified. Candidate,he won't still be given d job-dat is pure hate.

Billyonaire:
There is absolutely nothing wrong, for a people, to decide that they want out of a sovereign union. If the Igbos want out of Nigeria, then a simple referendum is all that is needed.

The pursuit of Happiness, Liberty and Peace is desire of all humans, but to take up arms against each other, makes us less than goats and cows.

The Igbos are dominating, Yes, its not a vice, its actually a strong point. Adekunle was called Black Scorpion for a reason, he shot at everything that move in the East, including women and children, aged parents and even lifestock. That is a war crime, and I call him a war criminal, so he died a war criminal, and that was the chief reason he died begging the people he killed in unwary-like tactics.

It is becoming really tiresome and annoying when Igbo youths keep whining and complaining about the war, trying to twist history, playing the victims as if they were not the architects of their own undoing.
@ OP:
Have you forgotten that your ppl were the ones who started it all:
The first ever coup and selective killing of northern, western and midwestern leaders, sparing their own, resulting in the retaliatory coup and pogrom was started by Igbos.
Your ppl also started the civil war by attacking first - it will be recalled that the FG had sent the police to quell what it then considered a civilian uprising but Ojukwu responded with the full force of the Biafran Army and also following through with the invasion of the Midwest.

Your example of reparation being paid by Germany is clearly on the wrong side of logic because that country lost the war and was openly the aggressor - just like the Igbos, so how could you turn around and expect reparation?

You singled out the Sardauna, faulting his northernisation policy, myopically forgetting that the country was based on regionalism (a federation of states); where each regional premiere was the champion of his region and worked assiduously towards the singular advancement of his ppl - the Sardauna wasn't different from any of his counterparts who were also doing the same thing.
Note: his constituency (as northern premiere) was Northern Region (with its ppl both Christians and Muslims) and NOT the Nigerian State - therefore faulting him in this regard is not only silly but myopic.

His speech was therefore quite apt at the time.
So would you have expected him to have opened his region to Igbo invasion at the expense of his ppl?

It is also instructive to note that none of his competing contemporaries (in the East, West or Midwest Regions) found his speech unusual or otherwise offensive - as it was quite normal to them; only those brought up ignorant of the past and with the hindsight of the newer nationalistic concept of One Nigeria (developed after the war) will see it differently.

You referred to the request for the one minute silence in honour of Adekunle as if it was some sort of abomination; forgetting that Chukwuma Nzeogwu, though an enemy killed in battle and also self confessed killer of the northern premiere, was nonetheless buried in the north (Kaduna) by northern troops with full military honours; Ojukwu (a real war criminal) was pardoned by a northerner (Shagari), allowed to even run for president, and was also buried by the state with full military honours.
Why then do you supposes Adekunle should be denied a similar honour?
Oh, I get it; because he allegedly killed some Igbos in the war, as if Igbos didn't commit similar atrocities and perhaps you consider Igbo lives are more superior.

As for lack of Igbo leadership opportunities, blame this on your your own ppl: First of all, what is stopping Igbos from fielding a candidate and voting en masse for him? Secondly, how do Igbos expect to play tribal politics while expecting national acceptance - after they must have insulted and abused everybody else who could have voted for them; and also after putting all their eggs in the same basket, in a regional party APGA with no national coverage? Thirdly, why would they want Biafra and rule the country at the same time - isn't that double standard?

When will you guys stop thinking selfishly and start being objective? SMH.

U obviously didn't get some of my points.

I stated that an Igbo man(Kaduna) remotely started the Civil war.


I also talked abt how d house of assembly was thrown into disarray cos of the one-minute silence simply cos two Igbo law makers didn't want it.I said d wound is still fresh.

You talk about regionalism,did dat give Ahmadu bello d right to say what he said?He said he'll prefer an expartriate.Is an expartriate part of any region in Nigeria?Does dat not sound wrong from an elder statesman?

Do we still practice regionalism?Are we not "sufferring" from what the Northern leaders did in the civil service.Which tribe is most represented in the federal civil service today?esp d senior cadre?



So u're saying Igbo shld field a candidate and vote for him.Is it only Ijaw pple dat voted Jonathan?What wuld be your reaction if the igbos bring a credible candidate for d 2015 polls.Would u vote for him?

I'll stop here.



P.S. I'm a full-blooded Yoruba man.#OndoState.

I guess your judgement/reaction came dat way cos u sensed an Igbo guy behind d post.
D average Nigerian is tribal but it will do us a lot of good if we post wit clarity of mind,devoid of sentiments(at least by some degree)

MeAboki:
It is becoming really tiresome and annoying when Igbo youths keep whining and complaining about the war, trying to twist history, playing the victims as if they were not the architects of their own undoing.
@ OP:
Have you forgotten that your ppl were the ones who started it all:
The first ever coup and selective killing of northern, western and midwestern leaders, sparing their own, resulting in the retaliatory coup and pogrom was started by Igbos.
Your ppl also started the civil war by attacking first - it will be recalled that the FG had sent the police to quell what it then considered a civilian uprising but Ojukwu responded with the full force of the Biafran Army and also following through with the invasion of the Midwest.

Your example of reparation being paid by Germany is clearly on the wrong side of logic because that country lost the war and was openly the aggressor - just like the Igbos, so how could you turn around and expect reparation?

You singled out the Sardauna, faulting his northernisation policy, myopically forgetting that the country was based on regionalism (a federation of states); where each regional premiere was the champion of his region and worked assiduously towards the singular advancement of his ppl - the Sardauna wasn't different from any of his counterparts who were also doing the same thing.
Note: his constituency (as northern premiere) was Northern Region (with its ppl both Christians and Muslims) and NOT the Nigerian State - therefore faulting him in this regard is not only silly but myopic.

His speech was therefore quite apt at the time.
So would you have expected him to have opened his region to Igbo invasion at the expense of his ppl?

It is also instructive to note that none of his competing contemporaries (in the East, West or Midwest Regions) found his speech unusual or otherwise offensive - as it was quite normal to them; only those brought up ignorant of the past and with the hindsight of the newer nationalistic concept of One Nigeria (developed after the war) will see it differently.

You referred to the request for the one minute silence in honour of Adekunle as if it was some sort of abomination; forgetting that Chukwuma Nzeogwu, though an enemy killed in battle and also self confessed killer of the northern premiere, was nonetheless buried in the north (Kaduna) by northern troops with full military honours; Ojukwu (a real war criminal) was pardoned by a northerner (Shagari), allowed to even run for president, and was also buried by the state with full military honours.
Why then do you supposes Adekunle should be denied a similar honour?
Oh, I get it; because he allegedly killed some Igbos in the war, as if Igbos didn't commit similar atrocities and perhaps you consider Igbo lives are more superior.

As for lack of Igbo leadership opportunities, blame this on your your own ppl: First of all, what is stopping Igbos from fielding a candidate and voting en masse for him? Secondly, how do Igbos expect to play tribal politics while expecting national acceptance - after they must have insulted and abused everybody else who could have voted for them; and also after putting all their eggs in the same basket, in a regional party APGA with no national coverage? Thirdly, why would they want Biafra and rule the country at the same time - isn't that double standard?

When will you guys stop thinking selfishly and start being objective? SMH.

MeAboki:
It is becoming really tiresome and annoying when Igbo youths keep whining and complaining about the war, trying to twist history, playing the victims as if they were not the architects of their own undoing.
@ OP:
Have you forgotten that your ppl were the ones who started it all:
The first ever coup and selective killing of northern, western and midwestern leaders, sparing their own, resulting in the retaliatory coup and pogrom was started by Igbos.
Your ppl also started the civil war by attacking first - it will be recalled that the FG had sent the police to quell what it then considered a civilian uprising but Ojukwu responded with the full force of the Biafran Army and also following through with the invasion of the Midwest.

Your example of reparation being paid by Germany is clearly on the wrong side of logic because that country lost the war and was openly the aggressor - just like the Igbos, so how could you turn around and expect reparation?

You singled out the Sardauna, faulting his northernisation policy, myopically forgetting that the country was based on regionalism (a federation of states); where each regional premiere was the champion of his region and worked assiduously towards the singular advancement of his ppl - the Sardauna wasn't different from any of his counterparts who were also doing the same thing.
Note: his constituency (as northern premiere) was Northern Region (with its ppl both Christians and Muslims) and NOT the Nigerian State - therefore faulting him in this regard is not only silly but myopic.

His speech was therefore quite apt at the time.
So would you have expected him to have opened his region to Igbo invasion at the expense of his ppl?

It is also instructive to note that none of his competing contemporaries (in the East, West or Midwest Regions) found his speech unusual or otherwise offensive - as it was quite normal to them; only those brought up ignorant of the past and with the hindsight of the newer nationalistic concept of One Nigeria (developed after the war) will see it differently.

You referred to the request for the one minute silence in honour of Adekunle as if it was some sort of abomination; forgetting that Chukwuma Nzeogwu, though an enemy killed in battle and also self confessed killer of the northern premiere, was nonetheless buried in the north (Kaduna) by northern troops with full military honours; Ojukwu (a real war criminal) was pardoned by a northerner (Shagari), allowed to even run for president, and was also buried by the state with full military honours.
Why then do you supposes Adekunle should be denied a similar honour?
Oh, I get it; because he allegedly killed some Igbos in the war, as if Igbos didn't commit similar atrocities and perhaps you consider Igbo lives are more superior.

As for lack of Igbo leadership opportunities, blame this on your your own ppl: First of all, what is stopping Igbos from fielding a candidate and voting en masse for him? Secondly, how do Igbos expect to play tribal politics while expecting national acceptance - after they must have insulted and abused everybody else who could have voted for them; and also after putting all their eggs in the same basket, in a regional party APGA with no national coverage? Thirdly, why would they want Biafra and rule the country at the same time - isn't that double standard?

When will you guys stop thinking selfishly and start being objective? SMH.

You are absolutely right all through ditto for Sadauna's statement. The Igbos' tendency to dominate is not just borne out of enterprise but intolerance and hate for other tribes. Put an igbo fellow in a govt office and he/she will fill up the place with igbos. This inherent attitude in them was at play when Ojukwu had the effontery to appoint an igbo officer as president of invaded midwest, a prelude to domination. While people up north were still seething over the selective killings by the coupists, the igbos in kaduna went to town with banners depicting Ironsi placing his boot on a fallen Sardauna. As you rightly said, while Gowon took a pacifist police action, Ojukwu responded with full military force, followed by escapades in the midwest and Ore heading towards Lagos. While they engage in perpetual weeping over spilt milk, they seem not to know that the attrocities and war crimes they commited in the midwest were well documented. According to them, Adekunle's crime was shooting anything moving but when compared to mass slaughtering of men, women and children and burying same in mass graves, the former pales into insignificance. Some of those people were actually buried alive. There are records to prove this. They had better stopped deluding themselves of Nigeria's presidency because it wont happen. Their best shot is Biafra. They cant and should never be trusted with such power because they dream of nothing but revenge followed by Nigeria's partition.

PenSniper:


You are absolutely right all through ditto for Sadauna's statement. The Igbos' tendency to dominate is not just borne out of enterprise but intolerance and hate for other tribes. Put an igbo fellow in a govt office and he/she will fill up the place with igbos. This inherent attitude in them was at play when Ojukwu had the effontery to appoint an igbo officer as president of incaded

^^^Can you cite examples where Igbos have done as you accused......and give examples of ethnicities they should emulate!

What's incaded?

IGBOSON1:


^^^Can you cite examples where Igbos have done as you accused......and give examples of ethnicities they should emulate!

What's incaded?

This wasnt my full post, it resulted from a mis-click.

WoodcrestMayor:
U obviously didn't get some of my points.

I stated that an Igbo man(Kaduna) remotely started the Civil war.


I also talked abt how d house of assembly was thrown into disarray cos of the one-minute silence simply cos two Igbo law makers didn't want it.I said d wound is still fresh.

You talk about regionalism,did dat give Ahmadu bello d right to say what he said?He said he'll prefer an expartriate.Is an expartriate part of any region in Nigeria?Does dat not sound wrong from an elder statesman?

Do we still practice regionalism?Are we not "sufferring" from what the Northern leaders did in the civil service.Which tribe is most represented in the federal civil service today?esp d senior cadre?



So u're saying Igbo shld field a candidate and vote for him.Is it only Ijaw pple dat voted Jonathan?What wuld be your reaction if the igbos bring a credible candidate for d 2015 polls.Would u vote for him?

I'll stop here.



P.S. I'm a full-blooded Yoruba man.#OndoState.

I guess your judgement/reaction came dat way cos u sensed an Igbo guy behind d post.
D average Nigerian is tribal but it will do us a lot of good if we post wit clarity of mind,devoid of sentiments(at least by some degree)

Well, the fact that two Igbo men at the House objected to the one minute silence validates my point about the inherent double standard in the Igbo psyche.

You obviously didn't properly read my post concerning regionalism because, if you did, you would have noticed I inferred that the Sardauna's primary concern was the interest of his ppl in the north; like his counterparts Okpara, Ankintola etc he was a regional head not a statesman; the regions were like small independent countries held together by a weak centre, competing with themselves; they even had their own constitutions, foreign policy etc.

Yes, Sardauna's statement was apt at the time - I am sure most would agree even today that an expatriate is likely to be a better and more trust worthy alternative to an Igbo man; the Sardauna simply chose what was best for his region at that time and history has certainly vindicated him (a typical example being his own protege, Chukwuma Nzeogwu, ending up betraying and killing him).

We are suffering today not from what northerners did in the civil service but from what Ironsi, an Igbo man, did to the civil service and Nigeria as a whole by dismantling the regional system and replacing it with the unitary system of government (those unhappy with the present arrangement especially resource control should therefore blame Ironsi not the north).

The tribe most represented in the civil service is Igbo; in fact a recent research by an NGO confirmed that Anambra benefitted the most.
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/anambra-is-biggest-beneficiary-of-federal-appointments-research-reveals/153842/
Even if we are to examine this issue of national character more closely, you'll find that most of the northern states are not filling their slots completely but other ethnicities from within or outside are doing so.
Besides, Oga Johnny has even publicly declared that Igbos are the backbone of his cabinet - so whats your point?

Yes, if Igbos want the presidency they should present a candidate and support him; but should not sit back and expect other Nigerians to do their job for them; especially if they go about insulting and abusing everybody else as inferior.
This means jettisoning tribal politics and learning how to form bridges and alliances as well as the art of lobbying and compromise - instead of their usual forceful arrogant do or die tactics, because in the long run politics is not only a game of numbers but also one of persuasion.

As for your ethnic origin, well I don't give a toss (though I suspect you are lying - as your sentiments says it all, because you clearly made it an Igbo issue); what is more important to me is the message - which I believe I have addressed sufficiently.

MeAboki:


Well, the fact that two Igbo men at the House objected to the one minute silence validates my point about the inherent double standard in the Igbo psyche.

You obviously didn't properly read my post concerning regionalism because, if you did, you would have noticed I inferred that the Sardauna's primary concern was the interest of his ppl in the north; like his counterparts Okpara, Ankintola etc he was a regional head not a statesman; the regions were like small independent countries held together by a weak centre, competing with themselves; they even had their own constitutions, foreign policy etc.

Yes, Sardauna's statement was apt at the time - I am sure most would agree even today that an expatriate is likely to be a better more trust worthy alternative than an Igbo man; the Sardauna simply chose what was best for his region at that time and history has certainly vindicated him (a typical example being his own protege, Chukwuma Nzeogwu, ending up betraying and killing him).

We are suffering today not from what northerners did in the civil service but from what Ironsi, an Igbo man, did to the civil service and Nigeria as a whole by dismantling the regional system and replacing it with the unitary system of government (those unhappy with the present arrangement especially resource control should therefore blame Ironsi not the north).

The tribe most represented in the civil service is Igbo; in fact a recent research by an NGO confirmed that Anambra benefitted the most.
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/anambra-is-biggest-beneficiary-of-federal-appointments-research-reveals/153842/
Even if we are to examine this issue of national character more closely, you'll find that most of the northern states are not filling their slots completely but other ethnicities from within or outside are doing so.
Besides, Oga Johnny has even publicly declared that Igbos are the backbone of his cabinet - so whats your point?

Yes, if Igbos want the presidency they should present a candidate and support him; but should not sit back and expect other Nigerians to do their job for them; especially if they go about insulting and abusing everybody else as inferior.
This means jettisoning tribal politics and learning how to form bridges and alliances as well as the art of lobbying and compromise - instead of their usual forceful arrogant do or die tactics, because in the long run politics is not only a game of numbers but also one of persuasion.

As for your ethnic origin, well I don't give a toss (though I suspect you are lying - as your sentiments says it all, because you clearly made it an Igbo issue); what is more important to me is the message - which I believe I have sufficiently addressed.

Explaining all these to those dummies, is like pouring water into the basket.

What I realised is, their uncles and fathers lied to them and they failed to read either. Or maybe they read books written by Ariara market traders.

They rejected secession clause being included in the Nigerian Constitution.
They killed leaders of other regions.
They truncated our working democracy.
They started the stup1d centralised system, in their greed to control everybody.
They massacred Mid westerners.
They were bringing their stup1d war to SW.
They bombed Lagos - Marina and Pen Cinema.
They looted CBN Enugu Port harcourt and Benin. Despite that, we pitied their miserable lives and gave them a lifeline by paying the rebels 20pounds each, equivalent to 500k of today.
They annulled June 12 through Arthur Nzeribe.
Daniel Kanu led 5mm man match for Abacha.


They are beasts and they should be treated as such.

Lying abt my tribe?Dat wuld be cowardly. Igbo guys don't do dat.
Emi Akure Oloyemekun, omo amuda sile fogun enu tunise


Well,I see u're well versed on this issue and I agree wit some of you points particularly on Ironsi-i don't tink he did any tin of note in his short time in office.


D point abt Oga Jona-call it his own way of "compensating" d igbos.

Also d issue of resource control-we can find a way round it if we reach a compromise.There's no law that says it shld remain like this forever.So why can't we re-order this?My guess is as good as yours-he who has tasted honey won't go back to Alomo.

MeAboki:


Well, the fact that two Igbo men at the House objected to the one minute silence validates my point about the inherent double standard in the Igbo psyche.

You obviously didn't properly read my post concerning regionalism because, if you did, you would have noticed I inferred that the Sardauna's primary concern was the interest of his ppl in the north; like his counterparts Okpara, Ankintola etc he was a regional head not a statesman; the regions were like small independent countries held together by a weak centre, competing with themselves; they even had their own constitutions, foreign policy etc.

Yes, Sardauna's statement was apt at the time - I am sure most would agree even today that an expatriate is likely to be a better more trust worthy alternative than an Igbo man; the Sardauna simply chose what was best for his region at that time and history has certainly vindicated him (a typical example being his own protege, Chukwuma Nzeogwu, ending up betraying and killing him).

We are suffering today not from what northerners did in the civil service but from what Ironsi, an Igbo man, did to the civil service and Nigeria as a whole by dismantling the regional system and replacing it with the unitary system of government (those unhappy with the present arrangement especially resource control should therefore blame Ironsi not the north).

The tribe most represented in the civil service is Igbo; in fact a recent research by an NGO confirmed that Anambra benefitted the most.
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/anambra-is-biggest-beneficiary-of-federal-appointments-research-reveals/153842/
Even if we are to examine this issue of national character more closely, you'll find that most of the northern states are not filling their slots completely but other ethnicities from within or outside are doing so.
Besides, Oga Johnny has even publicly declared that Igbos are the backbone of his cabinet - so whats your point?

Yes, if Igbos want the presidency they should present a candidate and support him; but should not sit back and expect other Nigerians to do their job for them; especially if they go about insulting and abusing everybody else as inferior.
This means jettisoning tribal politics and learning how to form bridges and alliances as well as the art of lobbying and compromise - instead of their usual forceful arrogant do or die tactics, because in the long run politics is not only a game of numbers but also one of persuasion.

As for your ethnic origin, well I don't give a toss (though I suspect you are lying - as your sentiments says it all, because you clearly made it an Igbo issue); what is more important to me is the message - which I believe I have sufficiently addressed.

superstar1:


Explaining all these to those dummies, is like pouring water into the basket.

What I realised is, their uncles and fathers lied to them and they failed to read either. Or maybe they read books written by Ariara market traders.

They rejected secession clause being included in the Nigerian Constitution.
They killed leaders of other regions.
They truncated our working democracy.
They started the stup1d centralised system, in their greed to control everybody.
They massacred Mid westerners.
They were bringing their stup1d war to SW.
They bombed Lagos - Marina and Pen Cinema.
They looted CBN Enugu Port harcourt and Benin. Despite that, we pitied their miserable lives and gave them a lifeline by paying the rebels 20pounds each, equivalent to 500k of today.
They annulled June 12 through Arthur Nzeribe.
Daniel Kanu led 5mm man match for Abacha.


They are beasts and they should be treated as such.

LOL, you are too brutal; abeg softly softly, pity dem small