clean2:
In a clearer term it means that the catholic church has accpeted gay people and their way of life but it is yet to grant them right to marry. This is seriously an end time manifestation of how far the devil has taken over the catholic church. It doesnt come as a surprise to me because i have always known the catholic church dont have fear for GOD , most of their doctrines has been anti christ. All should watch out for the rapture is it nearer than we expect right now.

Ubenedictus:


we have accepted gay people, we always accept people wether gay or not, but that report doesn't say we accept their way of life.

Try and read again.

asalimpo:


you accept them but not their ways? Clarify?

italo:


Jesus accepted, even called Judas, but did not accept his ways.

You clarify that and leave Jesus' Church alone.

Oduduwaboy:
I love the Catholic church. It will soon agree with us that there is no god!

rabzy:


Was Judas a known and celebrated thief when he was called, did he come and declare himself as a thief before he was called. Was he even a thief when he was called or became a thief when he had d opportunity of being the treasurer. What value did Jesus say was found in his act of stealing and betrayal. Judas allowed satan to eventually have a complete hold on him and that was why Jesus called him d son of destruction.

Dbryan:
Is the church accepting them in other to change their orientation,to inculcate in them that God made it to be male and female or are they being welcome cux they have some 'qualities'to offer the church thereby polluting the body of Christ...some persons need to be reminded about sodom and gomorah

italo:
^^^

This man is still after Pope Francis.

Did Pope Francis steal your wife?

Are you saying homosexuals are not welcome and they dont have gifts and qualities to offer?

That they're totally useless and should be cast out?

What about liars, fornicators, thieves, corrupt officials...other sinners? Are we all totally useless without gifts and qualities to offer?

Should we all be cast out?

Who then will remain in the Church?

Jesus and Mary alone?

elampiro:
Breaking: Cardinal Burke says statement from Pope Francis defending Catholic teaching is ‘long overdue’

Tue Oct 14, 2014 - 5:37 am EST

In a candid interview Monday, Cardinal Raymond Burke voiced the concerns of many of his brothers in the Synod hall and lay Catholic activists throughout the world that the public presentation of the Synod has been manipulated by the organizers in the General Secretariat.

He strongly criticized yesterday’s Relatio post disceptationem, or “report after the debate,” which the Catholic lay group Voice of the Family had called a “betrayal,” saying[b] it proposes views that "faithful shepherds ... cannot accept[/b]," and betrays an approach that is "not of the Church." He called on Pope Francis to issue a statement defending Catholic teaching.

“In my judgment, such a statement is long overdue,” he told Catholic World Report’s Carl Olsen. “The debate on these questions has been going forward now for almost nine months, especially in the secular media but also through the speeches and interviews of Cardinal Walter Kasper and others who support his position.”

“The faithful and their good shepherds are looking to the Vicar of Christ for the confirmation of the Catholic faith and practice regarding marriage which is the first cell of the life of the Church,” he added.

The relatio, he said, proposes views that many Synod fathers “cannot accept,” and that they “as faithful shepherds of the flock cannot accept.”

The document, among its most controversial propositions, asks whether “accepting and valuing [homosexuals’] sexual orientation” could align with Catholic doctrine; proposes allowing Communion for divorced-and-remarried Catholics on a “case-by-case basis”; and says pastors should emphasize the “positive aspects” of lifestyles the Church considers gravely sinful, including civil remarriage after divorce and premarital cohabitation.

“Clearly, the response to the document in the discussion which immediately followed its presentation manifested that a great number of the Synod Fathers found it objectionable,” Burke told Olsen.

“The document lacks a solid foundation in the Sacred Scriptures and the Magisterium. In a matter on which the Church has a very rich and clear teaching, it gives the impression of inventing a totally new, what one Synod Father called ‘revolutionary’, teaching on marriage and the family. It invokes repeatedly and in a confused manner principles which are not defined, for example, the law of graduality.”

Burke lamented that the bishops’ interventions are not published, while the General Secretariat chose to publish the controversial relatio, which was intended as a merely provisional summary of the first week that is under review by the fathers this week.

“All of the information regarding the Synod is controlled by the General Secretariat of the Synod which clearly has favored from the beginning the positions expressed in the Relatio post disceptationem of yesterday morning,” he said.

“While the individual interventions of the Synod Fathers are not published, yesterday’s Relatio, which is merely a discussion document, was published immediately and, I am told, even broadcast live. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to see the approach at work, which is certainly not of the Church.”

While critics of Burke's public interventions in the Synod debates have portrayed him as representing a fringe, he was elected by his brother bishops to moderate one of the three English-speaking small groups discussing the relatio this week.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-cardinal-burke-says-statement-from-pope-francis-defending-catholic

elampiro:


You cannot declare to the world that you are a fornicator, adulterer, an armed robber, etc and you take pride in it, then expect the church to welcome you as a sworn armed robber or fornicator. Homosexuals aren't asking Jesus or the church to forgive them of their sins or that they are willing to repent. They are asking the world and the church to accept their ways just as you have in a husband and wife. Don't you get it?

You did not follow the build up to the Synod? See, they are going to declare divorce, cohabitation (fornication in boyfriend and girlfiriend relationship), homosexuality etc as things acceptable and the church to give them holy communion. This is where things are headed by the final Synod of October 2015.

The document they published was even not the position of the majority of the Synod. Pope Francis went out of rules to add six of his men to the document drafting committee. No African bishop was there. Africans were some of the most vocal bishops in support of Traditional views.

You needed to follow the build up to this Synod to know what they are driving at. There were lots of interviews given by the Cardinals before the Synod. Pope Francis also gave interviews and he did not hide which side he supported. Cardinal Walter Kasper clearly told journalist that he had the backing of Pope Francis.

italo:


You have said a lot of things about Pope Francis.

Why not wait until he says that fornication is no longer a mortal sin...

or that sex is no longer for married couples...

or that communion can be received by someone in mortal sin...

Then you can kill him...or you want to kill him now?

asalimpo:


you accept them but not their ways? Clarify?

elampiro:


You have spoken well here. But what is happening already isn't good at all.

Ubenedictus:
what is happening is that bishops are inside a chapel praying and discussing about thorny topic. We do not yet have any final word.

italo:


Jesus knew he was a thief, yet Jesus accepted him as a human being with dignity and value. Jesus even sent him to preach and heal. Jesus ate with him from the same bowl.

Same with Matthew. Jesus knew he was a sinner yet he called him. Jesus even went to feast with him and other sinners in his house. Jesus did not accept their sins but accepted and loved them.

Same with you. Jesus knows you are a terrible sinner, yet he accepts and loves you.

Why can you not love and accept your neighbour who is a sinner?

Is it because his sin is different from yours?