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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:59am On Oct 23, 2014 |
It's the Synod making people not to trust the church. People lost trust in the church via the Synod- CNN, Yahoo, BBC, etc all showed to billions of people what Pope Francis, Kasper and cohort were doing. I have never even seen MDM on NTA Gbagada not to mention NTA International. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 11:04am On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: Cardinal kersper is not the church, he is not even the Pope. He has a right to his opinion, for even in seeking to do good, one may be wrong, I cannot judge his intention. But I trust God to raise up those who will speak the truth. Is it strange for you now that the devil is found where the children of God are gathered? I thought I had told you to read scriptures. It happened in Job and in the Gospels too. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 11:08am On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: "Taboos fell at the Synod; long forbidden topics were brought up such as Communion for the divorced and remarried, celibacy and the priest shortage. Frank discussions followed. The pope himself seemed uncertain of his point of view. "None of us has a ready-made solution, because each person’s situation is different,” the pope said. “I would say that a particularly painful situation is that of those who were married in the church, but were not really believers and did so just for tradition, and then finding themselves in a new, invalid marriage, they convert, find the faith and feel excluded from the sacrament,” he said. "In response to concerns from some bishops that a section from the first draft of the message concerning divorced and civilly remarried Catholics was potentially ambiguous on the church’s teaching on marriage, the language has been revised in several places." The Vatican official said that given the ambiguity of the concept of "homosexuality," meaning the difficulty of providing a precise definition of the term, an "absolute policy" is impossible. Do you know that the Pope mentioned here by this reporter John Allen, is the emeritus Pope Benedict XVI ? And that the synod in question is the synod of 2005 on the Eucharist? Not everything started with Pope Francis as MDM wants you to believe. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 11:50am On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: Yesoooo, Only the truth will set one free. The truth as revealed by God via His church, "the pillar and foundation of truth", not any false prophet like the one you follow. 2 Likes |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 11:56am On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: If the Galatians were to behave like you, they will call Peter anti-Christ, for Paul their evangelist, had confronted Peter (Gal 2:11-14). And Paul was right while Peter wasn't right. But they listened to the Church, and the truth set them free, they were not in the bondage that you've put yourself by listening to false prophets and not the church. 1 Like |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 4:12pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Elampiro, do read the Pope's speech at the end of the synod here. http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/10/18/pope_francis_speech_at_the_conclusion_of_the_synod/1108944 Do not castigate any man by hear say and rumors...yeah, and false prophesy. 2 Likes |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:03pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: I have read this before. It is empty. The gospel is clear. It's not about striking compromise between truth and falsity. A true Pope defends the truth. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:07pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: Kapser told us his proposal was instigated buy Pope Francis. Pope Francis also applauded Kapser's speech proposing communion for the divorce. Francis described it as one of best form of Theology. In another interview, Pope Francis admitted being on the side of the liberals calling for reforms (change in doctrines) while stating his opposition with the traditionalists. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:16pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: This was another Synod I followed. Everything went well and Pope Benedict did not equivocate. He didn't at any point left anyone in doubt as to his stance on church teachings. He defended the church teachings. Whenever clarification was sought as to any statement he made, he clarified. Cardinals were at home with him. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:17pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: Pharisee! Tell me the truth outside Jesus statement to zachaeus Lk 19:5, tell me the truth outside His statement at those who wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery Jn 8:7, tell me the truth outside He who "eats with sinners and tax collectors" Mk 2:15, and I will tell you how deep in falsehood you swim. Its about people like you the Pope wrote about those who want "...also to transform the bread into a stone and cast it against the sinners, the weak, and the sick (cf Jn 8:7), that is, to transform it into unbearable burdens (Lk 11:46)". Poor you. 1 Like |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:23pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: You have denied the bible teachings many times. You guys were here defending the controversial mid term report until I arrived here. Even when other posters were correcting you people, you were blindly defending it just because it came from Vatican. When the Cardinals stood by the truth of the scripture, you guys shut your mouths. As for MDM, I leave you to your discernment. Jesus told us not to defend the messages. That His messages should stand on their own. Even your locution have told you that the Church of Pope Francis will not be ready for the next world events and the church will not be formed in accordance to the Woman clothed with the Sun. Many other prophets have said same things and the fulfillment is what we witness today. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:24pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: Any person reading this will see how obsessed you've become with condemning Pope francis, this is the effect of your sedes vacantism and MDM worship. Times without number i have given you example with peter in scriptures, but you seem to need his head on a pallet you herodias. Listen to the church! |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:26pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: Peter always stood on tradition. Bergoglio 'Who am I to judge' is fighting against the church teachings and tradition. He is dismantling the church as was foretold. Peter and Paul rebuked sin, Bergoglio told bishops and priests not to preach about sins- abortion and homosexuality. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:29pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: Did you ever read that Jesus told the adulterous woman to go and sin no more? Jesus converted the sinners. He didn't accept people living in sinful lifestyle to continue living in sinful lifestyle. Jesus did not condone such. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:31pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: I refrain from joining you in analyzing Popes the way you're going, so I'll rather leave you to your ignorance...or outright lie. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:32pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: I can never listen to any Pope (Francis) telling the bishops to stop preaching about homosexuality and abortion. I can't listen to a Pope who clearly wants to change the teachings of the church. I can't listen to a Pope who refused to condemn sin. Pope Francis in his 18 months rule has never condemned homosexuality. Instead he clearly wants to change the church teaching on it. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:34pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: Pope Benedict issued a clear statement defending the church teaching on homosexuality. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:36pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: Lies Lies Lies. "As was foretold" false prophets...I said they'll drive you crazy. The synod has ended, the church still standing by her teachings. Shame on MDM and her followers. There isn't anything else to hold on to except lies. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:37pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: At this point I will ask you to quote the Church teaching on homosexuality. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:39pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: I maintain, I will not join you in your ignominious past time. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:42pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: Are you an illiterate? The Synod has not ended. The midterm Synod ended, there will be a larger Synod (ordinary Synod) next year where the Issue of homosexuality, communion for the divorce and cohabitation will be finalized as instructed by Bergoglio. According to Synod rule, the three controversial issues which did not pass super majority ought to have being deleted and the Pope issued his defence on them, but Pope Francis vetoed them into next year Synod. Now the liberals are already boasting for a revolution. It's a shame to Bergoglio. He is dragging the church in the mud in matters the scripture is clear about. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:44pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: You need to be ashamed of yourself if you did not know that before Jesus said "go and sin no more", he first said "neither will I condemn you". That's what Pope Francis is doing, but no, you a pharisee will say " he eats with sinners and tax collectors". 2 Likes |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:46pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: The church did not say people can join the church and keep practicing their gayism. The Cardinals reiterated this, and even Cardinal Burke the head of Canon Law court, said what those manipulating the Synod (Francis, Kasper and cohort) prop0sed are against the church teachings. Use your brain man. If the church teaching welcomed gay act, why is their a Synod to re welcome it? Mr. Man, the church is against homosexual acts 100%. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:48pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: Hahahaha, now he is shifting to the general synod. He has lost all sense of decency to know that the Holy Spirit that ensured the church is marching on mid way, will see it to the end. Oh man of no faith. Now he is claiming synod rule which he cannot prove. Lies Lies Lies. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:49pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: elampiro: bla bla bla... What is the Church teaching on homosexuality? |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:50pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: You have nothing to say. Pope JP 2 ruled for 25 years, I did not hear any controversial issue on morals. Benedict did not set Cardinals against Cardinals in his 7 years rule, he always clarified any prior ambiguity. Francis has only ruled for 18 months and he is already on record to be the worst Pope in the church's history. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:52pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: The church is against homosexuality. The bible is against homosexuality. I don't know which church you attend. Are you an homo? What is you interest in this? |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:52pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: Your lies are becoming embarrassing. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:54pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: Elampiro. What is the Church teaching on homosexuality? My interest is to expose lies and let the truth be known. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:54pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: This is why I said you are an illiterate. Pope Francis said in an interview just before the Synod that the world should not expect any changes in this Synod. That this was an initial push (for his agenda). |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:55pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan: You should know that was John Paul II. |
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 7:58pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
elampiro: Pope francis said...., somebody said pope francis said...all grapevine news and hear say. I gave Pope francis Speech at the close of the synod, authentic, official. yet you refuse to see anything there...too blinded to see i fear....but you hold on to he said in one interview, and he said in a telephone conversation....you're long gone. |
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