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Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by Ajibam: 11:17am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Xtarxhyne:http://www.churches-of-christ.net/tracts/job083u.htm |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by Ajibam: 11:19am On Oct 21, 2014 |
This link provides proof from the quran itself to support what oga divipen wrote up there!! http://www.churches-of-christ.net/tracts/job083u.htm |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by barnabas91: 1:05pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ajibam:To be candid, don't blame them, most of them know the truth but they are scared to pull out. I know what a woman pass through when she converted to christain, she face hell frm the father but still she nvr give hope, she cudnt further due to ɪ̣̝̇t̶̲̥̅̊. Right now she's happily married with her educated husband and 3kids(two girls one boy). No1 preached to her, it was a divine visitation from God, she so much hated xtian, infact she was on her way to report to her father that she saw her younger ones in a crusade that she hrd a voice frm no where telling her to go back, she stopped 4 a while, when she ignore d voice and insisted to go, somtin struck her frm nowhere, she got up and went straight to d crusade, as she said, in a twinkle of an eye, she started speaking in tongues, praying heavily.... This was somtin she told me just dis month, ℓ nvr knew she was a muslim not until her younger one is now face with a serious delimma not to marry a xtian. Even ♍y dad was a muslim, my mum told us †ђξ children, that is one of d reason av nvr visited ♍y village uptill now. If my father avnt converted, i wud av, trust me. The thing here is knowing d right thing and follow it. Every1 shall account to himself on the last day, so don't let any1 hold you to a religion you ursef don't understand. "Blessed are they which are persecuted for rightoesness sake: for theirs is the kingdom of God. "Matt 5 verse 10. It pays to obey God 4 Likes |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by AfricanApple(f): 1:10pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Divepen:mind u I read it half and all I can deduce is dat d author is just trying to steer up trouble. just give me d verse and chapters where d junks u wrote up there is stated, even if I have read Quran all my life may be my eyes use to blind when it comes to dat part 1 Like |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by Nobody: 1:15pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
AfricanApple:the essential Bible verses had been stated and did you see the link Ajibam posted up there...It has more than enough of what you seek... I told you about Koran 3:45-56..Did you read or talk about that? |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by Nobody: 1:20pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
barnabas91:Oro-Word |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by Jerryolumide(m): 3:38pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
SalC:stories!! Wat do u expect?? More than half of the Muslim population can't read the Quran, dy depend on wat dere imam tell dem 2 Likes |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by Jerryolumide(m): 4:03pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Donfamous:hahahahahahahahaha i dy feel u 1 Like |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by RapLawd(m): 4:27pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
I even think that muslims should tryna find why their allah is never dependant,I alway catch him as "we" instead of "I" AS IN THE CASE OF "I"AM THAT "I"AM IN THE HOLY BIBLE... 1 Like |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by Ajibam: 4:49pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Jerryolumide:That's true oo 4 Likes |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by Rilwayne001: 5:24pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
@OP 2 Likes
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Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by gatiano(m): 5:29pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
what kind of Quran are you reading? that quran sounds like the bible made by the greek philosophers and the mutazilite muslims. Divepen: 2 Likes |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by gatiano(m): 5:49pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
i got a question for you. GOD said he will teach him the wisdom, torah and the gospel. when was the gospel? was it before or after Jesus. and if it after or before, why should anybody teach you what you preached? and as it is clearly written in the quran, it is all with Allah's permission. and the birds refers to a people. the birds are african people. when you hear people say "i'll learn the language of the birds" it means langugaes of the african people. who are the dead people in the world? look around you all over. does it look like the black people are living? if you are smart enough, you will know that the black people of the world not just in africa are dead economically, academically, mentally. those are the death that are refered to. did Jesus of 2000 years ago do all this. NO! Jesus wasn't sent to the whole of the world, he was sent to the white people, and that was their last prophet, they killed him. there is a new Jesus, a Messiah , and Mahdi. for the ressurection of the his children the Black people starting from the americas, the wilderness. Divepen: |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by Nobody: 6:18pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
gatiano:Torahz are the laws before the time of Jesus, that is what we call the old testament in the Bilble. They are the laws and deed before the coming of Jesus. If Jesus was the white, and Mohammad for the arabs, who is for Nigerians. It is until you agree that God can do all things that you will surely come to the light #Selah |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by gatiano(m): 6:59pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
yes i know the torah is the old testament, if GOD taught Jesus the torah, why didn't Jesus know that the jews are the sons of the devil? why would he want to teach the devils? read John chapter 8: 20 - 42. it is wrong to say nigerians, nigerians are black people just like the black people of the entire planet. we are to be ressurected and shown our father. and he sent us Elijah, GOD/ALLAH, taught elijah the torah, the gospel and that wisdom may mean the quran, elijah met GOD in person, and GOD revealed to him many things that after you listen or read with open mind (with common sense) nobody will force you in to accepting. it is only the clear truth. if after that you or i or we can't see the truth, then we must then be chastise. chastisement does not mean the fire, there is different between hell and hell fire, and also between hereafter and heaven. heaven and hell are both conditions. hereafter as it sound is here on earth after the rule of the man of sin (the devil). hellfire/flame is what will consume the devils. chastisemen t are for those who will not submit or hid the truth (black people), the whiteman can never change! he was born/made to oppose GOD. Divepen: |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by bossminded: 7:57pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Good all well said.. the oga that said sum of his imam wuld soon wake I am yet to see them abi dem still dy slEep U see here is the problem many fail to realize, 99% of muslims didn't choose that religion on their own free will, they were born into it... TRUE or FALSE?? And strict measure in form of threat to live and various form of maltreating frm family members to keep them frm deviation. Here is my question, if u knw d light, why force people to see the light I know the history of Islam but for sake of peace on this forum I encourage our muslims brothers to go ahead and read itt up, read about origin of Islam and how it entered Nigeria, then you would realize dt at sum point in time you fore fathers were coward because usman dan fordo threatened them with death or to accept islam... But if any muslim insist to know, try and challenge me the you would get the full gist, Mind you I am frm auchi, so I know all the secrets. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by AfricanApple(f): 9:15pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Divepen:we are not talking bible verses here, are we? what link in quran 3:45-56 I can't see where it is stated dat Jesus is god o or am I not seeing well again? I can't quote all dat verse but let me be specific with some 45: (remember) when the Angels said: O maryam! verily Allah gives u d glad tidings of a word ["Be" and he was. i.e jesus] from Him. his name will be messiah 'Isa the son of maryam held in honour shall be one of those who are near to Allah. 52; then when Isa came to know of their disbelief, he said 'who will be my helpers in Allah's cause?' the disciples said: we are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims i.e submit to Allah. those two verses up there Aline shows he was only a messenger ans prophet of Allah. u have more to tell? why am I even arguing sef, I'm not a religious freak, mcheew 1 Like |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by Rilwayne001: 9:28pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
@Divepen Do you believe in the Quran? |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by Rilwayne001: 9:35pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
AfricanApple: Better not waste your time with these stiffnecked reprobates, else you become like them. They don't believe in the Quran, yet they want to prove there delusion with it. Leave them to swim abegg 2 Likes |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by AfricanApple(f): 10:24pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Rilwayne001:sure thing to do 2 Likes |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by SalC: 10:30pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Rilwayne001:On the contrary, the bold is what muslims do with the bible every other day 2 Likes |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by emmyrabson(m): 11:56pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
In Islam, Jesus is considered one of the five greatest prophets sent by God to mankind. Muslims’ knowledge about Jesus is based on the two main sources of Islamic knowledge: the Quran and Hadeeth (prophetic sayings). In the Quran, Jesus is referred to as Isa ibn Maryam , or Jesus, the son of Mary. The story of Mary and Jesus is best described in the Quran in chapters 3 and 19. Mary: A Precocious Girlhood The story starts with Mary, who was blessed as a child with God’s protection. Mary was born to the pious household of Aal Imran, or the family of Imran. Many people argued for the honor of taking care of the child, but the responsibility was given to Zechariah, an elderly and childless man, who immediately noticed that the young girl was special. One day, Zechariah noticed that the girl had in her possession certain provisions for which he could not account. He asked her how she came by the food and she answered, “It is from God. Indeed, God provides for whom He wills without account.” (Quran 3:37) This simple answer had a deep impact on the elderly man. Having long wished for a son, the devout Zechariah prayed to God for progeny. As the Quran relates in the verses below, his prayers were answered almost immediately, although his wife was barren and beyond childbearing age: “At that, Zechariah called upon his Lord, saying, ‘My Lord, grant me from Yourself a good offspring. Indeed, You are the Hearer of supplication.’ So the angels called him while he was standing in prayer in the chamber, ‘Indeed, God gives you good tidings of John, confirming a word from God and [who will be] honorable, abstaining [from women], and prophet from among the righteous.’” (Quran 3:38-39) The uniqueness of Mary, noticed by Zechariah, was spelled out to her by the angels: “And [mention] when the angels said, “O Mary, indeed God has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds. O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those bow [in prayer].’” (Quran 3:42-43) Here the story of Mary’s upbringing and girlhood, as related in the Quran, ends. The Miracle of Jesus In chapter 19, entitled “Mary,” we hear more of this special woman’s story, best told by the Quran itself. “And mention, [O Muhammad], in the Book [the story of] Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east. And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel [i.e., Gabriel], and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man. She said, ‘Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of God.’ He said, ‘I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy [i.e., son].’ She said, ‘How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?’ He said, “Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.’” So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.” (Quran 19:16–22) From the Quranic description of events, we can deduce that Mary spent most of her pregnancy alone. What happened to her during this period is not mentioned in the Quran. The Quran picks up the story at the moment that Mary goes into labor. “And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of palm tree. She said, ‘Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten.’ But he called her from below her, ‘Do not grieve; your Lord has provided beneath you a stream.’” (Quran 19:23-24) God, knowing the reaction of society, further guided her how to deal with the situation: “And shake toward you the trunk of the palm tree; it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates. (Quran 19:25) When she carried the baby Jesus to her people, they questioned her; and as a baby in her arms, Jesus gave them the answer. The Quran describes this scene in detail: “So eat and drink and be contented. And if you see from among humanity anyone, say, ‘Indeed, I have vowed to the Most Merciful abstention, so I will not speak today to [any] man.’ Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, ‘O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented. O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste.’ So she pointed to him. They said, ‘How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?’ [Jesus] said, ‘Indeed, I am the servant of God. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and he has not made me a wretched tyrant. And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive.’” (Quran 19:26-33) And so the baby Jesus defended his mother from any accusations of adultery, and in a nutshell, explained who he was and why he was sent by God. Here ends the story of Mary and miraculous birth of one of the greatest prophets of God, Jesus. “That is Jesus, the son of Mary – the word of truth about which they are in dispute.” (Quran 19:34) 1 Like |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by enilove(m): 2:32am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Islam is truly a satanic religion. God has nothing to do with Quran and Muhammed . Quran is not from God. It is a satanic book. You may not believe me , but I implore you to pray for God's guidance . Your soul is far important than argument about what d Quran says and what it did not say. Read hadith about d life of Muhammed and you will agree that , in d biblical standard , he was not qualified to be called a prophet. Do not feel offended . Kindly devote time to study d Quran and hadith and sincerely pray that God should reveal every secret about it to you. You can only be saved through d descendant of Isaac not Ishmael . That was why Haggai and Ishmael were sent away by Abraham because God told him that Ishmael was not the promised child through which d world shall be saved. Jesus came and died for our sins so that we can be saved. He did not kill, he did not marry a 'seven year old' girl , he did not marry anyone , but came to save our souls from eternal damnation . He is alive and he is the Lord of Lords and the King of kings ,the Alpha and the Omega . He is coming to judge the world, whether you believe or not , he is coming very soon. Before it is too late , pray to God to lead and guide . May God bless you, in Jesus name. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by olaridwan(m): 5:15am On Oct 22, 2014 |
Xtarxhyne:jesus was not nailed on the cross...quran 4 vs 157.....it was written about him after so many years.... 1 Like |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by tohero(m): 12:37am On Oct 24, 2014 |
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Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by tohero(m): 12:39am On Oct 24, 2014 |
One great gift I believe God gave everyone of us is the ability to reason. I would like to contribute to this on a logical perspective, and I believe you will reason along and decide yourself! Please do not be bias. You said Divepen:Which means to the layman, you vouch for what was from this cleric. From first proof , it said Divepen:Am sorry, this is wrong! wikipedia:Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayah A more explanation here YahooAnswers:Source: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071115164548AANYsOC MY COMMENT: How come you got the 6666 verses? A logical thinking shows that the author of the writeup you vouch for is typically trying to associate the his verses number(6666) to the devlish 666 we were made to know. The second and immediate point you talk about is Divepen: Are you not going to be more confused when you find out that the name of Prophet Ibrahim(Abraham) was mentioned 69times? Or extremely confused, when Prophet Musa was mentioned 136times? If you conclude that Jesus is godly than Muhammad because he was mentioned for more 20 times than Muhammad, then Should we not conclude that Abraham is more godly because he was mentioned for 44times more? Moses was mentioned for 111times more. Are we to give them priority more than Jesus because of this number? Read this shocker, Firaun (Pharaoh) was mentioned 49times than Jesus, what are we to say? You know about the acts of Pharaoh in the bible, I guess. Are you not going to ask yourself "why does the Quran gave more preference to pharaoh than ..." Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Quranic_people_mentioned_by_name MY CONCLUSION: IT IS NOT BY NUMBER!!! Sometimes I think life might not be so simple as it might be to the eyes. A deeper thought could convince us. May God increase our knowledge! Are you convince that the writeup might be false? Divepen, reason with it. The verses you quote, can you please go through them again and verify your alliance? (I will TRY to write something about the other claims, but I hope am not talking to a deaf ear? My apologies! Mind you, I am jst a common man, not a religious scholar ) God bless you bro! God bless us all. If you are wrong, you owe an apology to the minds of those you have poisoned. May God forgive and overlook our sins. Ameen. 4 Likes |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by malvisguy212: 8:35am On Oct 24, 2014 |
AfricanApple:when you read the visitation of the angel gabriel to mary in the quran,there is somthing strange there,the angel did not tell mary the reason of here virgin birth,let me quote the verse for you. Surah 3:45-47: Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God…She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: God createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, ‘Be,’ and it is! (Yusuf Ali) now, mary ask a very important qustion"how shall i have a son when no man has touch me?" the angel did not answer this qustion, the angel just say"whatever allah created he say be and it was, allah created what he willeth" this means according to the quran the virgin birth of mary is God manifest his power on us,God will not interupt his creative power for no reason, there must be somthing, and the quran did not tell us what is it. Now compere the bible account of the virgin birth: Luke 1:30-35: And the angel said to her: “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. Behold! You will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” But Mary said to the angel: “How is this to be, since I am a virgin?” In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you and power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy — the Son of God.” this verse gives us the reason of her virgin birth, as the spirit of God overshadow her,a holy seed is implanted in her,it is because of the seed that jesus is sinles and we know is is impossible for a mortal being to be sinless. THE QURAN CALLED JESUS SPIRIT AND WORD OF GOD: Surah 4:171: “Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which he bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him: so believe in God and His apostles.” (Yusuf Ali) In Surah 4:171, Jesus is called, “His Word.” And in Surah 3:45 the Qur’an states that Allah gave Mary a glad tidings “of a Word from Him.” In the original Arabic, the expression used here is “kalimatim- minhu.” It means kalmia (word), min (from), hu (him). It is of vital importance for Muslims to note that Jesus is the only Prophet who ever lived, who is called a Word from God. Centuries before the Qur’an came into existence, this same title was given to Jesus in the Bible: John 1:14: “And the Word became flesh and made is dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son who came from the father, and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth. ” Revelation 19:13: “…the name by which he is called is the Word of God.” now, the quran called jesus the word and spirit of God,and the bible called him the son of God, HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THIS?. |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by experimentist: 9:48am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Xtarxhyne:Jesus was neva nailed to the cross.. He ascended to heaven while they nailed the wrong guy... Allah made them confuse his (isa's) identity wit someone else.. Read! |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by raydmann: 11:05am On Oct 24, 2014 |
muslim bigest mistake is that they believe one person who claim to be prophet with no miracle at all. 1 Like |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by malvisguy212: 3:53pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
experimentist:Surah 19:33: Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! (Pickthall) “There was peace on me the day I was born, and will be the day I die, and on the day I will be raised from the dead.” (A. Ali) the above testimony of Jesus in Surah 19:33 clearly proves that he died before his ascension to heaven,but muslims scholar interpret this verse by saying jesus will die when he come back again,they try to explain away this quranic verse,they say this withh ignorence. John the baptist say this about his death,MUSLIMS SCHOLAR AGREE WITH THE CHRONOLOGICAL SEQUENCE OF EVENT ABOUT THE DEATH OF JOHN THE BAPTIST ,BUT DISAGREE WITH THE DEATH OF JESUS. in Surah 19:15. Note the similarity in the wordings: Surah 19:15: And peace on him on the day he was born, and on the day he dies, and on the day he is raised to life. (Shakir) when muslims try to explain this verses,. They deliberately distort and destroy the chronological sequence of the event, even though the chronological sequence is identical in both cases. Muslim scholars would rather make completely unsupportable arguments than admit that the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is taught in this Qur’anic verse. They try to explain this verse, If the interpretation of these Muslim scholars is correct, then Surah 19:33 should have Jesus saying: “Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I shall be raised alive and the day I shall die” in harmony with their claimed chronological sequence of events. BUT IT DOES NOT. MY QUESTION: We must ask these scholars, since Surah 19:33 and Surah 19:15 are identical in the sequence of events, why don’t they also shift the death of John the Baptist to the future – after his resurrection – as they did in the case of Jesus? Why the discrepancy? In fact, there is not a single passage in the entire Qur’an that shows that Jesus will return to die. Since the parallel statement in the case of John shows that he died, clearly then, Jesus must also have died accordingly. There is an interesting remark by the renowned Qur’an translator, Yusuf Ali, in his footnote of Surah 19:33: |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by experimentist: 6:32pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
malvisguy212:I know about that surah, but Jesus didn't die on the cross.. |
Re: The Koran Reveals That Jesus Is God... by malvisguy212: 6:46pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
experimentist:were did he died? |
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