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Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Nobody: 4:07pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: Odumchi may be in a better position to answer this. But based on what I know 'Okoli' is not an Arochukwu name. 'Okorie' is. In some Aro history monographs that I've read, Okoli Ijoma's name is even rendered as Okoro Ijoma. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Nobody: 4:23pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: 'Naturalized in Anambra'? He was born there. He was born in Ndikelionwu. It's not like he migrated and settled there. He was a third-generation Northern-Axis Aro man. Trying to give a full answer to this question will involve going into complicated details about Aro Diasporic history. I'll try to give an answer without going into all that kind of detail. I didn't say he mediated between Nri and Aro raiders down south. (The Aro were not raiders, in any case). He himself was hiring raiders directly from Abam/Okafia region and sending them to attack towns in the Nri-Awka area. In fact, at a point, some towns around Isu-Aniocha area were sending him tribute to avoid being raided. Some Nri ritual agents were sent to him (at Ndikelionwu) by the Eze Nri to plead with him to stop the raids, and he declined. In his relations with Nri, he wasn't acting as an intermediary between Nri and the Aro farther south as your question seems to imply. It was purely an Nri-Ndikelionwu, or Nri-Ndieni thing. (Ndi-Eni is the common name for the Aro colonies in the Orumba zone of Anambra). |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Nobody: 4:35pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: Names that are predominantly associated with a particular region do also pop up here and there outside the region they are associated with. I have encountered Oputa in Nnewi, and Ossai in Enugu-Ezike and (in what seems to be one isolated incidence) Awka, even though these names are typical of Ukwuani people more than any other group. In, at least, the case of Awka and Nnewi, this can be explained by contact between the peoples. The Aro were active in Nsukka, and there were Nsukka traders who (in the past) were trading partners with the Aro. Name-borrowing could have formed part of the kind of relationship they had. I'll still say that Oti is a name one would closely associate with the Aro people. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Abagworo(m): 4:41pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
Radoillo: Yes Oti is more or less Crossriver Igbo name found in Abia State or Ebonyi and not specifically Aro. All the names you mentioned as Ukwuani are common Oguta names as well. I think it is borne by Igbos with Benin link just like Oti is borne by Igbos with Crossriver links. 1 Like |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Nobody: 4:52pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
bigfrancis21:Hey.... you getting it wrong with afikpo, don't categorize them with them abakiliki/ wawa people. Afikpo is like a compilation of ohafia, edda and the rest. Most people around that area use 'h' in place of 'f' |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Nobody: 4:53pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
Abagworo: Whenever I say 'Ukwuani' I always also have Ugwuta and Ndoni in mind. As far as I'm concerned, they are more or less Ukwuani communities on the other side of the Niger. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Nobody: 5:00pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
bigfrancis21:Hey..... you're getting it wrong about afikpo. Afikpo is like a compilation of ohafia, edda and the rest. Stop categorizing afikpo with them abakiliki/ wawa. Most people around that area make use of 'h' in place of 'f'. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Abagworo(m): 5:14pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
Danrizzle: Afikpo speaks Ehugbo. The language is closely related to all the Crossriver Igbo languages like Abiriba, Aro, Ohafia, Nkporo etc. and is generally difficult for Northern Igbos from Enugu/Anambra area to comprehend. However it is related to Owerri dialect or even Rivers. Here is an excerpt from slightly diluted Ehugbo dialect and judge where it leans. I sincerely think its more like modified mix of Owerri, Ikwerre and Ika. "o gini mediri umu nwanyi ehugbo aatogu uhu n'emeri umu nwoke ehugbo shakara Taa emeduzuenwe n'waa aja daari nde mba n'ali jugujugu n'egwukozuwori wayo." |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Ihuomadinihu: 5:38pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
Abagworo:Cross riverian igbo language is not similar or related to Owerri dialect. I believe it stands on its' own. 2 Likes |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by odumchi: 6:31pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: Radoillo: Both 'Okoli' and 'Okorie' are foreign to the Aro of Arochukwu. The home-based Aro answer 'Okoro', which is the name of a male born on Orie market day. Mind you, this 'Òkóòrò' (male born on Orie day) is pronounced differently from the 'Òkóró' ('young man') that other Igbo peoples answer. The 'northernization' of this name would be 'Okoli', hence why Okoro Ijoma is known as Okoli Ijoma amongst the 'l'-speaking peoples of the Nri-Awka axis. Danrizzle: You're right. The dialects of the Cross River area are on their own 'branch' of the Igbo language tree, and are not to be grouped with northern dialects. However, if there were to be a comparison, they would lean towards southern Igbo as opposed to northern Igbo, not necessarily on the basis of a preference of 'h' over 'f' (because there are dialects in Abia that use 'f' instead of 'h' [ex: Ohafia; ife (thing), ifere (shame), ifu (to see)], but on the common preference of 'r' over 'l' and many other factors. 1 Like |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Ihuomadinihu: 6:54pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
[quote author=odumchi post=27472964] |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Ihuomadinihu: 6:54pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
odumchi:Yeah, CR lgbo dialect sounds exotic to the average Owerri man. E.g Afikpo dialect - Nde Nwonmi unu kaa,olu ayi dikwele uto. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Nobody: 7:09pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
odumchi: I always wondered why some of the books 'translated' 'Okoli Ijoma' as 'Okoro Ijoma' instead of 'Okorie Ijoma'. Thanks for clearing that up for me. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by ChinenyeN(m): 7:12pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
So, what we've basically learned today is that none of the Aro (neither in Arochukwu nor in diaspora) recognized Nri at any time in their history. I just hope some people are taking notes here. 3 Likes |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Nobody: 7:14pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
I think we all knew that from the onset. Including Odenigbo himself. I still refuse to think he wasn't kidding all along. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by ChinenyeN(m): 7:22pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
I'd hope so, because otherwise, I'd be tempted to approach this based of my interaction with other Igbo here on NL over the years. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by itstpia1: 7:57pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
interesting thread. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Abagworo(m): 8:36pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
Ihuomadinihu: I wrote a mix of Owerri, Ikwerre and Ika. Example the use of 1)Ali for Ala/Ana is also found in Ikwerre 2) The use of Mini for Miri is also found in Ikwerre 3) The use of "mi" for "mu" is also an Ikwerre thing 4) The use of enya for anya and eka for aka sounds like Ogba dialect of Rivers. This is Ehugbo "Saa enya na mini soro wo" When I hear people speak Ehugbo, it usually sounds like a mix of several down South Igbo dialects because I'm very conversant with them. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Nobody: 9:06pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
Abagworo: You also find ali, enya, eka, etc in the North [Nsukka zone], and the North-East [Ezza-Izi-Ikwo zone]. I'll check again, but I think mini also occurs in the North-East, too. These are 'Peripheral Igbo' usages. Not in any way peculiarities of the Ikwerre, Owerri and the Ika, or of dialects of the south. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Ihuomadinihu: 9:10pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
Abagworo:Alright. It doesn't sound that way to me though. I will just leave it as a Southern igbo dialect(regionally), but strictly a part of the CR dialect cluster. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Abagworo(m): 10:58pm On Oct 26, 2014 |
Radoillo: You're right and that is why it is likely the earliest form of Igbo is preserved in the Afikpo area. I've always wondered why Afikpo at the extreme end will have similarities with Ikwerre at another extreme and Ika at another extreme.. If Nsukka at another extreme has same similarites then I will have to believe that earlier versions of Igbo language is preserved at the periphery contrary to most beliefs that the centre is core. 1 Like |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Nobody: 8:01am On Oct 27, 2014 |
Abagworo: I hold a similar belief about the dialects spoken on the Igbo periphery. I expressed that on one of the threads here recently. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by odumchi: 8:03am On Oct 27, 2014 |
Radoillo: Wa ntakala hwe ta o bu! (No problem!) 1 Like |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Ihuomadinihu: 8:58am On Oct 27, 2014 |
odumchi:Nwa ntakari ihe ka o bu? |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by odumchi: 8:55pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
Ihuomadinihu: O nnaa. (Yup!) |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by pazienza(m): 9:58pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
Ide nnaa, always ruffling these people's feathers, haha! See as nwa ngwa,nwa Awka and nwa aro carry pestles on top of Nri mata! *grins* |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by bigfrancis21: 10:17pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
Radoillo: I'd attribute the complacency of the Nri people and placating of Okoli Ijoma by the same Nri people and axis to being peaceful in nature so as to avoid violence, wars etc. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by bigfrancis21: 10:22pm On Oct 27, 2014 |
Danrizzle: I don't think I ever categorized them with Abakaliki people nor insinuated such in my post. I was reeling off history of the unique movement of Afikpo(NI) into Abia state(SI) initially and back into NI(Ebonyi state). My aim of the recall was to demonstrate the heterogenity of the dialects of Abia state (NI and SI alike) and why it might explain, in part, the reason for Okoli names in Abia state. I'd suggest that you read my post again. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Nobody: 7:31am On Oct 28, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: Well, that can't be argued. The Nri were not a militarized people. The whole point of bringing up the Okoli Ijoma story was to explain to Odenigbo that at no point did the Aro, both Aro Uno and Aro Ezi (as we call them) acknowledge Nri's leadership, whether in a spiritual sense or in a political sense. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by OdenigboAroli(m): 12:29pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Radoillo: So,you actually believe yourself? I dont understand why people need to lie to themselves....Aro,Onitsha and many major town brought gift to greet the Eze Nri during coronation. Eze Nri Obalike revealed this himself. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by OdenigboAroli(m): 12:39pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
In the book,Religion,dreaming and society in Africa by M. M Charles Jedrej and Rosalind Shaw it revealed how these major towns brought gifts to Agukwu. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by OdenigboAroli(m): 12:43pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
pazienza: Alangwa and Awka boy must pay homage to Nri decendants,or Udo will keep haunting them...lol |
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