shymexx:
Civilisation started at the Nile Valley (use your map to locate where it's lol) - tutoring for you again today.

Just stop quoting me, ignorance and being utterly dumb is contagious.

Thanks in advance.

Professor of History, are you scared?

Define the term civilization and then prove that it started in Egypt and NOWHERE else simultaneously.

TV01:


Frau Schleppangel how far ! Craving attention huh? Ok, Imma throw you some.

I'm sure Shymexx will respond to you accordingly, but this discussion centres areound appropriate dressing, lewdness and decency. For anyone to claim that, before white men arrived on this continent, Africans were barbaric butt-nekid savages, is worthy of censure for stupidity and ignorance. In fact it should be bannable offence - especially as when it was repeatedly pointed out a recant was not forthcoming.

Can fish swim backwards !


Go back to posting bogus threads in romance


TV

Were you not the one who called out my name first today?

carefreewannabe:
Were you not the one who called out my name first today?

Yes now. Just to indict you for self loathing, not to command an appearance. Now scram, dialogue is happening, not story by picturebook !


TV

TV01:


Yes now. Just to indict you for self loathing, not to command an appearance. Now scram, dialogue is happening, not story by picturebook !


TV

Did it pain you so much that you had to call out my name?

shymexx:


Lol, so China going to war with Vietnam, in trying to save Cambodia means China is a colonial power, no? I guess the ECOWAS intervention in Sierra Leone and Liberia, with Nigeria playing the lead role, also means Nigeria is a colonial power, yes? That's you logic right there - sentiments beclouds objective judgement, and you need to stop being sentimental.

All is fair in war, and it comes with genocide sometimes. And in this case the Russians were trying to protect themselves and their territorial integrity, not travelling gazillion of miles around the planet killing folks for no reason. Peep the difference.

Were Hungary and Czechoslovakia socialist/communist states at that point in history, and also part of the conquered territories due to the 2nd world war - yes or no?

Also, wasn't Mozambique about the cold war between West and Soviet Union, with the West also playing a big role in the other side of the conflict? The whole Angola/Mozambique/Namibia/Apartheid South Africa thing was about influence, saving Angola who had the Afro-Cubans fighting for its survival - and destroying the shackles of apartheid in South Africa - not anything imperialistic. Nice try, though.

Got more sentimental points?

If China aim was to "save" Cambodia, why not fight the Vietnamese in Cambodia, why occupy Nam Quan Gate among other small Vietnamese territories? before running away with their tails between their legs? When Nigeria intervened in Serria leone , Did they try to steal some piece of land for themselves? or did they get in and get out after the invaders were defeated?

If all is fair in war, you are saying that nations are pragmatic when it comes to waging war to serve national interests. So would you have any problem with this if American foreign policy strategist say the same thing about their doctrine? After all they are protecting their own national interest as well.So everything should be fair then. How does one protect her territorial integrity by invading another piece of land? does that add up?

So if Hungary and Czechoslovakia where socialist states, the Soviet union has the right to impose their will on them? If that is your defense then every great power should do as they like then and no one should complain.


All you did was give excuses to support the same strategy that the other side is using but on a larger scale. When it come to politics and polices of great powers, there is no saint.

shymexx:
Stop quoting me, resident shithead - the dumbest human being that ever walked this planet.

If you don't know Africa is the cradle of civilisation, with Egypt and Ethiopia, as the foundation, I can't help you.

Don't mind her jare.

carefreewannabe:
Did it pain you so much that you had to call out my name?

Self loathing of ones identity - race, ethnic background or cultural heritage is a very sad thing. I'm doing my bit to preventit spreading like ebola .


TV

Missy89:



If China aim was to "save" Cambodia, why not fight the Vietnamese in Cambodia, why occupy Nam Quan Gate among other small Vietnamese territories? before running away with their tails between their legs? When Nigeria intervened in Serria leone , Did they try to steal some piece of land for themselves? or did they get in and get out after the invaders were defeated?

If all is fair in war, you are saying that nations are pragmatic when it comes to waging war to serve national interests. So would you have any problem with this if American foreign policy strategist say the same thing about their doctrine? After all they are protecting their own national interest as well.So everything should be fair then. How does one protect her territorial integrity by invading another piece of land? does that add up?

So if Hungary and Czechoslovakia where socialist states, the Soviet union has the right to impose their will on them? If that is your defense then every great power should do as they like then and no one should complain.


All you did was give excuses to support the same strategy that the other side is using but on a larger scale. When it come to politics and polices of great powers, there is no saint.

Did you study history?

Misogynist2014:
Did you study history?

no why?

TV01:

Self loathing of ones identity - race, ethnic background or cultural heritage is a very sad thing. I'm doing my bit to preventit spreading like ebola .


TV

No, you are wrong.

I am very proud of this country.



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The male dominance has made the best out of the country's rich natural resources.

It is a morally superior, heavenly place to be.

That's why you live in the white man's country.

Missy89:


no why?

The reason is obvious. What are you guyz arguing about. Let me contribute the little I know about history.

Missy89:

If China aim was to "save" Cambodia, why not fight the Vietnamese in Cambodia, why occupy Nam Quan Gate among other small Vietnamese territories? before running away with their tails between their legs? When Nigeria intervened in Serria leone , Did they try to steal some piece of land for themselves? or did they get in and get out after the invaders were defeated?

If all is fair in war, you are saying that nations are pragmatic when it comes to waging war to serve national interests. So would you have any problem with this if American foreign policy strategist say the same thing about their doctrine? After all they are protecting their own national interest as well.So everything should be fair then. How does one protect her territorial integrity by invading another piece of land? does that add up?

So if Hungary and Czechoslovakia where socialist states, the Soviet union has the right to impose their will on them? If that is your defense then every great power should do as they like then and no one should complain.

All you did was give excuses to support the same strategy that the other side is using but on a larger scale. When it come to politics and polices of great powers, there is no saint.

That's like saying when Iraq invaded Iran during the Iraq/Iran war, Iran shouldn't have advanced into Iraqi territory when it had the upper hand. And why did the US and the allied forces occupy Iraqi territory during the gulf war? Ditto the Korean war, before they were pushed back by the Chinese? And didn't the Nigerian soldiers impregnate thousands of Sierra Leonean women, and helped themselves to tons of free diamonds, in Sierra Leone? That's war for you, and you should know better. Also, Nigerian army stayed in Sierra Leone for a long time, to help with stability, and protect President Tejan Kabbah. So, that has no colonial colour on it.

Stop going on a tangent here. Your national interest shouldn't go beyond a few miles outside your borders. When you start acting like the world police and fighting wars in all the nooks and crannies of the planet, hiding behind R2P(responsibility to protect and humanitarian intervention) - then you become an imperialist fighting for world domination. And that's what these other two countries have never been.

Yes, both countries were under its sphere of influence, due to the 2nd world war, and it was within its rights to control whatever was going on there. They were conquered territories, with folks of same ideology.

There might be no saint, but no one has a right to tell everyone else what to do. The world is diverse, and the diversity is what makes our existence on this planet unique. Hence we need a multi-polar world and a new world order. Enough of forcing everyone to live under the domination of a single entity. I'm glad about the rise of China, and the resurgence of Russia - the last three decades have to be the worst in the history of humanity - with useless wars everywhere and the deaths of hundreds of millions of innocent people. Yet the planet is still messed up.

Heck, the UN also needs to be scrapped, for a new body.

carefreewannabe:


No, you are wrong.

I am very proud of this country.



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The male dominance has made the best out of the country's rich natural resources.

It is a morally superior, heavenly place to be.

That's why you live in the white man's country.

Every country with its own problems. Like I said, there is no correlation btw male dominance and poor govt. We all know how the west poisoned Abiola, how Murtala was assasinated, we all know great leaders like Awolowo and Zik. You could have been vindicated if the women in power are better. Good leadership is all about luck, even revolution cannot provide one e.g Libya and Egypt.

Missy89

Let's compare the legacies of both the West and Soviet Union in Africa, in terms of leadership.

All the greatest Africans ever, from Sekou Toure, to Patrice Lumumba, to Kwame Nkrumah, to Awolowo, to Thomas Sankara etc. were all socialist leaning.

Then you have despots and murderers like Mobutu, Jonas Savimbi, and Idi Amin - who were all propelled up by the West.

Also, take a look at how the improvement/growth of Africa in the last two decades has been because of the Chinese influence.

Now tell me which one is imperialistic, and which one isn't.

shymexx:
Missy89

Let's compare the legacies of both the West and Soviet Union in Africa, in terms of leadership.

All the greatest Africans ever, from Sekou Toure, to Patrice Lumumba, to Kwame Nkrumah, to Awolowo, to Thomas Sankara etc. were all socialist leaning.

Then you have despots and murderers like Mobutu, Jonas Savimbi, and Idi Amin - who were all propelled up by the West.

Also, take a look at how the improvement/growth of Africa in the last two decades has been because of the Chinese influence.

Now tell me which one is imperialistic, and which one isn't.

True

GuyFawkes:


True

Lol, that's why I keep telling to stop indoctrinating herself with intellectual junk. And study more African history.

Heck, I also told her to read more books and academic journals from British authors. British academics will never let bias becloud their academic excellence, save for a few. She can also join me on the Guardian UK...folks tell it as it's out here.

shymexx:


That's like saying when Iraq invaded Iran during the Iraq/Iran war, Iran shouldn't have advanced into Iraqi territory when it had the upper hand. And why did the US and the allied forces occupy Iraqi territory during the gulf war? Ditto the Korean war, before they were pushed back by the Chinese? And didn't the Nigerian soldiers impregnate thousands of Sierra Leonean women, and helped themselves to tons of free diamonds, in Sierra Leone? That's war for you, and you should know better. Also, Nigerian army stayed in Sierra Leone for a long time, to help with stability, and protect President Tejan Kabbah. So, that has no colonial colour on it.

Stop going on a tangent here. Your national interest shouldn't go beyond a few miles outside your borders. When you start acting like the world police and fighting wars in all the nooks and crannies of the planet, hiding behind R2P(responsibility to protect and humanitarian intervention) - then you become an imperialist fighting for world domination. And that's what these other two countries have never been.

Yes, both countries were under its sphere of influence, due to the 2nd world war, and it was within its rights to control whatever was going on there. They were conquered territories, with folks of same ideology.

There might be no saint, but no one has a right to tell everyone else what to do. The world is diverse, and the diversity is what makes our existence on this planet unique. Hence we need a multi-polar world and a new world order. Enough of forcing everyone to live under the domination of a single entity. I'm glad about the rise of China, and the resurgence of Russia - the last three decades have to be the worst in the history of humanity - with useless wars everywhere and the deaths of hundreds of millions of innocent people. Yet the planet is still messed up.

Heck, the UN also needs to be scrapped, for a new body.

That Iraq Iran example is not even close now lets see.

Iran invaded Iraq, the got pushed back and Iran launched a counter offensive. That is a pure and simple military strategy. You launch a counter offensive against a retreating enemy in other to destroy their military capability and prevent another attack if you have the means to. It is that simple.

In the case of Sino Vietnamese war, China invaded Vietnam under the pretext of supporting Cambodia and withdrew when disgrace was near. Vietnam kept up with their Cambodia invasion and toppled the Khmer rouge regime and installed a new government there. China attempt was a land grab pure and simple. So you anaology is way off.
Nigeria stayed in Serria leone, China did not stay in Cambodia they tried to stay in Vietnam instead! cant compare both.

Your national Interest shouldn't go beyond your borders? Ridiculous! You cant measure what the national interest of any nation state is. When soviet union was all powerful, was Cuba close to Eurasia? Every nation has its own definition of national interest and since you have agreed that it is vital for every nation to protect it, there should be no excuses.

Yes they have the right to protect and police Hungary and Czechoslovakia just like other powers have the right to protect their own spheres of influences too that is critical to their national interest like the US is doing in the pacific and middle east no?

While i agree with the fact that we need a multi polar world, The point i will keep making is that the advocates of this new order are capable of doing the same thing that they are accusing the other side of doing if they have the capability to do so as history have shown.

The enemy of my enemy is no necessarily my friend. they are all cut the with same cloth and will do anything to protect what they have.

shymexx:


That's like saying when Iraq invaded Iran during the Iraq/Iran war, Iran shouldn't have advanced into Iraqi territory when it had the upper hand. And why did the US and the allied forces occupy Iraqi territory during the gulf war? Ditto the Korean war, before they were pushed back by the Chinese? And didn't the Nigerian soldiers impregnate thousands of Sierra Leonean women, and helped themselves to tons of free diamonds, in Sierra Leone? That's war for you, and you should know better. Also, Nigerian army stayed in Sierra Leone for a long time, to help with stability, and protect President Tejan Kabbah. So, that has no colonial colour on it.

Stop going on a tangent here. Your national interest shouldn't go beyond a few miles outside your borders. When you start acting like the world police and fighting wars in all the nooks and crannies of the planet, hiding behind R2P(responsibility to protect and humanitarian intervention) - then you become an imperialist fighting for world domination. And that's what these other two countries have never been.

Yes, both countries were under its sphere of influence, due to the 2nd world war, and it was within its rights to control whatever was going on there. They were conquered territories, with folks of same ideology.

There might be no saint, but no one has a right to tell everyone else what to do. The world is diverse, and the diversity is what makes our existence on this planet unique. Hence we need a multi-polar world and a new world order. Enough of forcing everyone to live under the domination of a single entity. I'm glad about the rise of China, and the resurgence of Russia - the last three decades have to be the worst in the history of humanity - with useless wars everywhere and the deaths of hundreds of millions of innocent people. Yet the planet is still messed up.

Heck, the UN also needs to be scrapped, for a new body.

New world order is ingrained at the back of one dollar note. A must read!!! http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/Federal%20Reserve%20Scam/satan_on_our_dollar.htm

shymexx:
Missy89

Let's compare the legacies of both the West and Soviet Union in Africa, in terms of leadership.

All the greatest Africans ever, from Sekou Toure, to Patrice Lumumba, to Kwame Nkrumah, to Awolowo, to Thomas Sankara etc. were all socialist leaning.

Then you have despots and murderers like Mobutu, Jonas Savimbi, and Idi Amin - who were all propelled up by the West.

Also, take a look at how the improvement/growth of Africa in the last two decades has been because of the Chinese influence.

Now tell me which one is imperialistic, and which one isn't.

African leaders played both part to get what they wanted. But yes you have a point there. I am not supporting the west. my point is do not cast you lot with either.

The growth of Africa's economy in the last 2 decades can be attributed to Chinese money not Chinese ideas. China is the world banker, America the world police. I think that's about right

shymexx:


Lol, that's why I keep telling to stop indoctrinating herself with intellectual junk. And study more African history.

Heck, I also told her to read more books and academic journals from British authors. British academics will never let bias becloud their academic excellence, save for a few. She can also join me on the Guardian UK...folks tell it as it's out here.

I guess she's not into the African history thing too bad cos it goes very deep and it shapes early world history. A lot of folks just think its all about glorifying not just Africa but the black race but its broader than we can imagine.

shymexx:


Lol, that's why I keep telling to stop indoctrinating herself with intellectual junk. And study more African history.

Heck, I also told her to read more books and academic journals from British authors. British academics will never let bias becloud their academic excellence, save for a few. She can also join me on the Guardian UK...folks tell it as it's out here.

another attempt to browbeat? Like i said earlier, keep feeling good about what you think is true. Nothing wrong with that.

When you keep making untrue statements like this, no one will take you seriously.

same Guardian UK that has been demonizing Putin? just like every other MSM rubbish?

Missy89:

That Iraq Iran example is not even close now lets see.

Iran invaded Iraq, the got pushed back and Iran launched a counter offensive. That is a pure and simple military strategy. You launch a counter offensive against a retreating enemy in other to destroy their military capability and prevent another attack if you have the means to. It is that simple.

In the case of Sino Vietnamese war, China invaded Vietnam under the pretext of supporting Cambodia and withdrew when disgrace was near. Vietnam kept up with their Cambodia invasion and toppled the Khmer rouge regime and installed a new government there. China attempt was a land grab pure and simple. So you anaology is way off.
Nigeria stayed in Serria leone, China did not stay in Cambodia they tried to stay in Vietnam instead! cant compare both.

Your national Interest shouldn't go beyond your borders? Ridiculous! You cant measure what the national interest of any nation state is. When soviet union was all powerful, was Cuba close to Eurasia? Every nation has its own definition of national interest and since you have agreed that it is vital for every nation to protect it, there should be no excuses.

Yes they have the right to protect and police Hungary and Czechoslovakia just like other powers have the right to protect their own spheres of influences too that is critical to their national interest like the US is doing in the pacific and middle east no?

While i agree with the fact that we need a multi polar world, The point i will keep making is that the advocates of this new order are capable of doing the same thing that they are accusing the other side of doing if they have the capability to do so as history have shown.

The enemy of my enemy is no necessarily my friend. they are all cut the with same cloth and will do anything to protect what they have.

1). The fact that you said "Iran invaded Iraq" when it was the other round shows you actually don't know anything about that war. This is a BBC link on the war about which country invaded the other: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4260420.stm

2). Again, was the Sino Vietnamese war about anything imperial, or just China trying to send a message to the Soviet Union because of the sour relationship between the two old friends, and Vietnam joining the Soviet sphere of influence? And also trying to keep Cambodia out of it? I think your own analogy is the one that's way off...and China never even planned to stay in Vietnam. It just wanted to teach Hanoi a lesson and keep Khmer rouge regime in Cambodia, but it made a terrible mistake.


3). If the West hadn't been getting too close for comfort, to the Soviet Union, would it have moved its tentacles to Cuba? Heck, the Soviet Union, and both Fidel Castro and Che Guevara never agreed on a lot of things. Even with the Cuban crisis thing, the Soviets were hesitant at first with idea. There's absolutely nothing logical in your retort. National interests should never be about fighting wars everywhere...once the place is far away from your borders, negotiate with non-interference. Respect other people - simple.

4). If you actually know anything about history, you'd know Europe was divided into two after the 2nd world war, based on the winners. So, both Hungary and Czechoslovakia were more or less part of the Soviet Union, up to Eastern Germany. So, whatever happened there had absolutely nothing to do with imperialism.

To argue imperialism - cite examples in neutral theaters like Africa, Asia, South America, Oceania etc.. You just keep going on a tangent.

5). This isn't about "enemy of my enemy" it's about humanity, and peaceful co-existence. People should be allowed to live how they want. If the Arabs prefer despots and totalitarianism (which has been effective on them), how does that affect the West? If Africans prefer a Patrice Lumumba, to Mobutu, how does that affect China? If China prefer Chairman Mao and a one-party state, how does that affect Russia? Making excuses for the biggest problem that has plagued the planet is just idi.otic IMO. And the fact that it has done more harm indirectly to even you as a person (but you won't know because you can't see beyond the smoke) just shows how myopic you sound.

Missy89:

African leaders played both part to get what they wanted. But yes you have a point there. I am not supporting the west. my point is do not cast you lot with either.

The growth of Africa's economy in the last 2 decades can be attributed to Chinese money not Chinese ideas. China is the world banker, America the world police. I think that's about right

And how did they play "both part?" I'm not alluding to the ridiculously dumb modern day African leaders. I'm alluding to the greats who wore that African badge of honour with pride, and the highly educated ones.

Which idea is original? And who owns the ideas?

Missy89:

another attempt to browbeat? Like i said earlier, keep feeling good about what you think is true. Nothing wrong with that.

When you keep making untrue statements like this, no one will take you seriously.

same Guardian UK that has been demonizing Putin? just like every other MSM rubbish?

The Guardian UK is balanced, and they have a lot objective contributors, so you will always get both sides of the news. And also, the comment section is the best. British academics are knowledgeable and well-read, and most educated and middle class Brits travel around the world, unlike the yanks - so you will see a lot of objective and balanced opinions.

We tell it as it's.

GuyFawkes:


I guess she's not into the African history thing too bad cos it goes very deep and it shapes early world history. A lot of folks just think its all about glorifying not just Africa but the black race but its broader than we can imagine.

Yes, that's what's missing in her life.

She reads a lot about world history and politics, but left out the most important aspect of it. Africa/black history, with middle east, changed the world. You can't understand world history without being knowledgeable about the two most important parts of the world.

shymexx:


1). The fact that you said "Iran invaded Iraq" when it was the other round shows you actually don't know anything about that war. This is a BBC link on the war about which country invaded the other: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4260420.stm

2). Again, was the Sino Vietnamese war about anything imperial, or just China trying to send a message to the Soviet Union because of the sour relationship between the two old friends, and Vietnam joining the Soviet sphere of influence? And also trying to keep Cambodia out of it? I think your own analogy is the one that's way off...and China never even planned to stay in Vietnam. It just wanted to teach Hanoi a lesson and keep Khmer rouge regime in Cambodia, but it made a terrible mistake.


3). If the West hadn't been getting too close for comfort, to the Soviet Union, would it have moved its tentacles to Cuba? Heck, the Soviet Union, and both Fidel Castro and Che Guevara never agreed on a lot of things. Even with the Cuban crisis thing, the Soviets were hesitant at first with idea. There's absolutely nothing logical in your retort. National interests should never be about fighting wars everywhere...once the place is far away from your borders, negotiate with non-interference. Respect other people - simple.

4). If you actually know anything about history, you'd know Europe was divided into two after the 2nd world war, based on the winners. So, both Hungary and Czechoslovakia were more or less part of the Soviet Union, up to Eastern Germany. So, whatever happened there had absolutely nothing to do with imperialism.

To argue imperialism - cite examples in neutral theaters like Africa, Asia, South America, Oceania etc.. You just keep going on a tangent.

5). This isn't about "enemy of my enemy" it's about humanity, and peaceful co-existence. People should be allowed to live how they want. If the Arabs prefer despots and totalitarianism (which has been effective on them), how does that affect the West? If Africans prefer a Patrice Lumumba, to Mobutu, how does that affect China? If China prefer Chairman Mao and a one-party state, how does that affect Russia? Making excuses for the biggest problem that has plagued the planet is just idi.otic IMO. And the fact that it has done more harm indirectly to even you as a person (but you won't know because you can't see beyond the smoke) just shows how myopic you sound.

That was a typo but does it changed the fact that u were comparing a counter offensive to an invasion? and i am the ignorant person here? nice try

They didnt plan to stay in Vietnam? have u bothered to read the 1999 Viet Nam-China Treaty on Land Borderline? and i am the ignorant person? LOL. And u suddenly developed a rapid amnesia that the reason i brought Vietnam up was because you said " but China hasn't tired to invade her neighbors like Vietnam and Korea" and i sighted an example that China tried but failed using Cambodia as a pretext for a land grab.

If actions by both sides caused Soviet union to move to Cuba, doesn't that contradict your theory that your interest should be close to your borders? because like you just explained, the Soviet interest moved all the way to Cuba because of the political situation then. Cant we use the same argument for other nations moving to other places? or it is only right when the soviet does it?

So if Europe is divided into two and the soviet were liberators, "they can keep what they kill" and control it (the necromonger way). But that isn't imperialism it is just politics eh?

Distance doesn't matter when it comes to imperialism, Interests is and the soviet were imperial just like every other major powers. But since they have no interests in places like Oceania and other that u mention, why go there?. Simple logic

Your last rant was funny. am i getting under your skin already? You might find a peaceful world without a group trying to dominate the other in an alternate universe. Not in the real world. State powers are all the same, and they always act according to their capabilities. That is what happens in the real world. time for you to wake up and smell the coffee.

Missy89:


African leaders played both part to get what they wanted. But yes you have a point there. I am not supporting the west. my point is do not cast you lot with either.

The growth of Africa's economy in the last 2 decades can be attributed to Chinese money not Chinese ideas. China is the world banker, America the world police. I think that's about right

Okay, I think I know what you guys are talking about. As per this post, I think a lot is wrong with it. Washington is the home of of banking and finance and most of the world's trade is done with the American dollar, though China has the fastest growing economy. How can you invest without having ideas? Both must be mutually inclusive.
As per America being the word police, which I find very true, you can read the link I gave to shymexx , even little of it will do. I watch an American woman on TBN predict that the next American election won't hold and Obama's election will not hold cos Obama's stay will be elongated (the woman has good precidents as far as important predicdictions are concerned.) Only God knows what the future holds.

shymexx:


And how did they play "both part?" I'm not alluding to the ridiculously dumb modern day African leaders. I'm alluding to the greats who wore that African badge of honour with pride, and the highly educated ones.

Which idea is original? And who owns the ideas?

Idi amin supported the Soviet union and the west at a point during his rule just like most African leaders during the cold war.
It was all about survival. If you are anti communist, you get arms and political support from the west. If you are pro communist. You get your support from the Russians and hope that you don't get toppled. Most of the great minds you mentioned were either toppled, killed or never ruled. You really think the Soviet gave a rat ass about their beautiful minds? they were all proxies ready to give themselves to who ever is willing to support them politically.

During the cold war, African countries that received soviet money are politically tied to the soviet union. Today, there are no political ties with China, it is just business. China has no strong political influence in Africa no matter how much they want to spend. Financial influence yeah definitely.

shymexx:


Yes, that's what's missing in her life.

She reads a lot about world history and politics, but left out the most important aspect of it. Africa/black history, with middle east, changed the world. You can't understand world history without being knowledgeable about the two most important parts of the world.

another feel good post?

Missy89:

That was a typo but does it changed the fact that u were comparing a counter offensive to an invasion? and i am the ignorant person here? nice try

They didnt plan to stay in Vietnam? have u bothered to read the 1999 Viet Nam-China Treaty on Land Borderline? and i am the ignorant person? LOL. And u suddenly developed a rapid amnesia that the reason i brought Vietnam up was because you said " but China hasn't tired to invade her neighbors like Vietnam and Korea" and i sighted an example that China tried but failed using Cambodia as a pretext for a land grab.

If actions by both sides caused Soviet union to move to Cuba, doesn't that contradict your theory that your interest should be close to your borders? because like you just explained, the Soviet interest moved all the way to Cuba because of the political situation then. Cant we use the same argument for other nations moving to other places? or it is only right when the soviet does it?

So if Europe is divided into two and the soviet were liberators, "they can keep what they kill" and control it (the necromonger way). But that isn't imperialism it is just politics eh?

Distance doesn't matter when it comes to imperialism, Interests is and the soviet were imperial just like every other major powers. But since they have no interests in places like Oceania and other that u mention, why go there?. Simple logic

Your last rant was funny. am i getting under your skin already? You might find a peaceful world without a group trying to dominate the other in an alternate universe. Not in the real world. State powers are all the same, and they always act according to their capabilities. That is what happens in the real world. time for you to wake up and smell the coffee.

1). Ok, agreed it was counter-offensive. And how was it different to the Chinese counter-offensive on its borders against Hanoi, due to its invasion of Cambodia, to change a regime that's pro-China? And what's colonial about that when, when China never even planned to stay in Vietnam in the first place? Perhaps, you need to read more about the two countries and how they've been going at it since like forever.

Also, what's colonial about the border line dispute between two countries that have been fighting bitter wars since the early century? Didn't California, Texas, Arizona etc. used to be part of Mexico - what happened? And would you call that colonial land grab, or just conquered territories? Basically the same way the Edos conquered your Ondo folks, to create a buffer with Oyo - and what made you proud of your part-Edo ancestry, no?

2). Would the Soviets have moved into Cuba, if the yanks hadn't surrounded them with missiles in Europe? And did they just go there, or they were invited by Fidel Castro for protection, after the failed American Bay of Pigs Invasion? So, where's the colonialism/imperialism in that?

Also, did the yanks listen to all the political solutions the Soviets offered? The only time they ever listened was when violence was threatened. You can even go as far back as the British and French invasion of Egypt during the Suez Crisis. You just have to show might to an imperialist...and that was how the yanks were soundly defeated in Vietnam - with an ar.se whooping of epic proportions. Muhammed Ali said it best, when he said: "No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over. This is the day when such evils must come to an end."

4). How's controlling your own pseudo-country imperialism? According to your logic, all the civil rights movement leaders and protesters that were gunned down when MLK was killed, were killed because of imperialism, no? Those black panther members were also killed because of imperialism? I honestly don't understand your logic here, to be honest.

Europe was divided into two after world war 2 separated by the Berlin Wall - the west on one side - and the east on the other. So, basically, imperialism has absolutely nothing to do with whatever happened in the east. Call it fascism or whatever, but it wasn't imperialism. Do you get it now?

5). You can't get under my skin cos I don't show emotions. I'm just calling your opinions as I see them. Be objective, and open-minded.

Personally, I'm just scared for the west because I'm western with my outlook to life. And all the other great empires who tried the pseudo-domination always end up committing self-inflicted suicides. And the face of the west, America, is already in rapid decline due to the same stupidity in the last two decades - and it's almost game over. But what might come after won't be pretty for the west, if the Chinese for example decide to avenge what they did to them during colonial times, with the opium holocaust. It'll be brutal for everyone.

Missy89:


Idi amin supported the Soviet union and the west at a point during his rule just like most African leaders during the cold war.
It was all about survival. If you are anti communist, you get arms and political support from the west. If you are pro communist. You get your support from the Russians and hope that you don't get toppled. Most of the great minds you mentioned were either toppled, killed or never ruled. You really think the Soviet gave a rat ass about their beautiful minds? they were all proxies ready to give themselves to who ever is willing to support them politically.

During the cold war, African countries that received soviet money are politically tied to the soviet union. Today, there are no political ties with China, it is just business. China has no strong political influence in Africa no matter how much they want to spend. Financial influence yeah definitely.

Stop conflating two issues here. I simply alluded to the types of people they propped up. While Soviets supported the likes of Kwame Nkrumah, Sekou Toure, Patrice Lumumba, Thomas Sankara et al - the West on the other hand propped up Mobutu, Jonas Savimbi, Idi Amin et al. Can you see the difference now?

Now, argue based on that perspective.

Heck, the Soviet and Cuba (Fidel Castro) don't even get their just due for the big role they played in the collapse of Apartheid South Africa. The collapse started with the defeat it suffered against the Angolans. While the West supported Apartheid South Africa - the Soviet Union supported the Africans, via Cuba and Fidel Castro.

China has no strong political influence in Africa because it's not into interference. Its foreign policy is about "Non Interference." It's not an imperial power with guns to everyone's head...just a normal decent business man.

Self-proclaimed expert of History.


Under Czar Peter I (the Great), shown in the painting at the right, the "Russian Empire" was proclaimed in 1721, and it soon became recognized as a world power. Ruling from 1672 to 1725, Peter defeated Sweden, forcing it to cede West Karelia and Ingria, as well as Estland and Livland, and he succeeded in securing Russia's access to the Baltic Sea and to sea trade. On the Baltic Sea, Peter I founded a new capital called Saint Petersburg His many reforms brought considerable Western European cultural influences to the new Russian Empire.

Catherine II (the Great), who ruled from 1762-1796, presided over the Age of Russian Enlightenment. She extended Russian political control over the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and eventually incorporated most of its territories into Russia, pushing the Russian frontier Westward into Central Europe. In the South, Russia's borders were extended to the Black Sea, after the defeat of the Crimean Khanate.

In the early 19th Century, under the rule of Czar Alexander I (1801-1825), Russia took Finland from the weakened Kingdom of Sweden and took Bessarabia from the Ottomans. At the same time, the Russians colonized Alaskaand even established settlements on the West Coast of North America, as far south as California.

The Russian Empire was instrumental in the defeat of Napoleon Bonaparte, at the end of his quest to conquer all of Europe. Almost 95% of Napoleon's "Grande Armée" perished during the cold Russian winter of 1812. The Russian army drove Napoleon from Russia and pushed him back across Europe, finally entering Paris. Czar Alexander I headed Russia's delegation to the Congress of Vienna that defined the map of post-Napoleonic Europe.

In another major feat, it was a Russian sea expedition in 1820 that discovered the previously unknown continent of Antarctica.

http://www.stamp-collecting-world.com/russianempire_history.html

Russia was not imperialistic and only fought its neighbors.