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On The Sahaba Again: A Reminder May Benefit The Believers.... by LagosShia: 5:33pm On Nov 16, 2014
Abuamam:
What Rafidhi maraji' say in public is always suspect as their use of taqiyyah is notorious.
I did provide the evidence for their core beliefs regarding the abuse of the Sahaba in their 'ziyarat ashura' and their "authentic" hadith attributed to their infallible imams, but my post was deleted.
If alSistani is not being taqiyyaful and he means what he says this time (highly doubtful), then he should tell us who those curses in ziyarat ashura and dozens of their ahadith refer to?
If I repost them, they will probably be taken down again.

LagosShia:


do not think you will score points by giving yourself too much importance? dont blow your head. you have not reinvented the wheel. what you have done here is to expose your ignorance, prejudice, bias, misinformation and lack of knowledge. and i will show you and explain how so you can learn a few things and open up!!!

the Shia stance on the Sahaba, regardless of your definition of "insult" and "curse", is to treat each sahabi as an individual with distinct characteristics, actions and personality. the sahaba were not a homogeneous group. they are the good, the bad and the ugly. they differed on many issues amongst themselves, and they even killed each other. do you know that? if your position as a Sunni is to turn a blind eye and say God will judge, then we Shia do know God will judge. however, "God will judge" doesnt justify turning a blind eye on our past, and then conveying nice titles on ALL sahabas that their actions belie and aim to rewrite their past.

that aside, you citing Ziyarat Ashura, and telling us about its content regarding a FEW sahabas doesnt justify your generalization that the Shia "curse" or "insult" THE SAHABA. the arabic word SAHABA (companions) is a compound noun. SAHABA is a GROUP of people. you cant judge them all as good and pious regardless of their past. Abu Bakr, Umar, Usthman, and Muawiya who are target in Ziyarat Ashura do not make up ALL the sahaba. they are just four out of the thousands of Sahaba. like i have stated millions of times, when you as a Sunni want to talk down on the Shia view or attitude towards these (four) sahabas and the likes that Sunnis hold in high esteem while the Shia do not, please use the word "SOME". say you do not like the view of the Shia about SOME sahabis. there are many sahabis who the Shia honor.

the question is are there sahabis that the Sunnis hold contempt for,as the Shia also hold contempt for some other? the answer is YES. Sunnis do not like Mukhtar Ibn Ubaydullah al-Thaqafi (RA), Malik Ibn Nuweira (RA) and Hujr Ibn Adi al-Kindi (RA) among a few others who were very loyal to the Ahlul-Bayt (as). Sunnis, as your hadiths and historical writings show, and even present day works show, you have problem with these three companions in particular, and you defame their character unjustifiably just to cover up for other infamous sahabis who victimized these three. on the other hand, the Shia highly honor these three. so does that give me the right as a Shia to accuse Sunnis of generally hating or insulting or cursing the sahabas because of these three men who were also sahabi (companions of the Prophet)? your accusation that the Shia "insult the sahabas" is a generalized lie,and one based on an attempt to mislead the unsuspecting and dishonestly portray others. what we need to do as Shias is to highlight the slander you have in your books against those three honorable sahabis of the Prophet (sa) that we as Shias love, honor, and respect. we need to expose the sahabis that you Sunnis slander and disrespect and hold you responsible as you want to defame us and tarnish our reputation because of mainly four infamous sahabis that you honor.

furthermore, what is the definition of "insult" and "curse"? insult undoubtedly is forbidden in Islam even against unbelievers. that is exactly what our scholars have forbidden, and stopped the Shia from doing against some infamous sahabis. insult is haram. there is no taqiyyah in this; because there are some Shias who want to vent their dislike for the infamous men based on their ill-actions against the Ahlul-Bayt (as). our scholars dont tolerate insults because it is haram regardless who is the target.

when it comes to the concept of "curse", it is a different issue. the arabic word "la'nat" is what is often unduly translated as "curse". "la'nat" is not well understood when you translate it as "curse". in the Holy Quran, there are instances Allah (swt), the angels and the prophets (as) sent "la'nat" on the disbelievers and transgressors who oppressed the believers. therefore sending la'nat on evildoers is a divine and Quranic sunnah. sending la'nat is meant to seek Allah's (swt) pleasure against wrongdoings and to disassociate oneself from evildoers and their evil deeds. it is not insult, but more or less, telling Allah (swt) that by you sending la'nat on someone evil, you disapprove of their actions. you are reaching out to Allah (swt) to state that you do not approve of their evils and you dont want their fate to be your own fate, and therefore Allah's (swt) mercy should be lifted from them because you do not approve of them, and do not sympathize with them, and Allah (swt) should judge them as He pleases and pass justice. it is an act know in the Holy Quran as TABARRA (to disassociate from evil people and show disapproval). (note that Surat at-Tawba, the ninth chapter of the Holy Quran, is also known as Surat al-Bara'ah, or the verse of doing Tabarra/Bara'ah). the opposite is TAWALLA (to love, honor, respect and obey pious people). Tabarra and Tawalla are fundamental beliefs for the Shia, just as salat (the five daily prayers) and sawm (fasting in the month of Ramadan) are. Tabarra and Tawalla are fruits of what the Quran teaches us about "amr bil ma'roof wa nahi anil munkar" (i.e. enjoining good and forbidding evil).

Holy Quran 9:71
"The believing men and believing women are allies of one another. They enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and establish prayer and give zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Those - Allah will have mercy upon them. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise."

Holy Quran 3:110
"Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."

to conclude, please learn how to use the word "SOME" as already explained to you.

https://www.nairaland.com/1903995/religious-authority-sistani-condemns-cursing#28069723
Re: On The Sahaba Again: A Reminder May Benefit The Believers.... by Nobody: 10:09pm On Nov 16, 2014
So in essence, you accept that the shi'a do send la'an to Abu Bakr As-Sadiq (RA), Umar Ibn Khattab (RA), Usthman (RA) , and Muawiya (RA)?
Re: On The Sahaba Again: A Reminder May Benefit The Believers.... by LagosShia: 11:10pm On Nov 16, 2014
TheLight001:
So in essence, you accept that the shi'a do send la'an to Abu Bakr As-Sadiq (RA), Umar Ibn Khattab (RA), Usthman (RA) , and Muawiya (RA)?

yes, we do. in Ziyarat Ashura, the "first zalim (oppressor) who oppressed the rights of Al-Muhammad" refers to Abu Bakr, the "second" refers to Umar, and the "third" to Usthman. then Muawiya, Yazeed, and al-Abi Sufyan (the family of abi sufyan) and banu umayyah are stated explicitly. dua sanamay quraysh (supplication against the two idols of quraysh) refers to the two perpetrators of Saqifah Banu Saeeda, i.e. Abu bakr and Umar. there is no taqiyyah in this as some lunatics want to dramatize. it is our beliefs, and we have been killed and oppressed and persecuted because we hold certain beliefs others cannot tolerate. other than that, we do not insult anyone. la'nat is a divine sunnah as already explained. our position on some sahabis and our opposition to them is way more respectable than the slander in Sunni books against other sahabis like Mukhtar Ibn Ubaydullah al-Thaqafi (RA), Hujr Ibn Adi (RA) and Malik Ibn Nuweira (RA) whom the Shia honor and hold in high esteem for their steadfastness and loyalty in the cause of the Ahlul-Bayt (as)..

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