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Re: Is Jesus Really God? by RikoduoSennin(m): 2:26pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: I believe you meant Jesus Possess attributes belonging to a God- A Mighty God, Not The ALMIGHTY GOD---Isaiah 9:6 OLAADEGBU: Yes, but why the reference to the time period called "the Beginning". Is there any scripture that points to christ existence prior to the beginning? Colossians 1:15 " He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, THE FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION" when John and Paul refer to Jesus as the "Firstborn from the dead", what exactly do they mean? Did their explanation not related to the word "dead". So then, what relation does Jesus have with the word "creation" from that verse? OLAADEGBU: Rev 3:14 ".....the beginning of God's creation" How can Jesus be God and the same time "the beginning of his creation" and not "his existence" ? OLAADEGBU: Wow, really, If Jesus can be everywhere at once why did he need to Ascend? Why did Stephen say he saw him standing at the right hand side of God? Why would Jesus need to come back if he is already in everywhere? Come back from where? During Jesus ministry he was only in one geographical place at a time. Even the Father- Jehovah is not everywhere, his throne has never been vacant. The heaven is his throne and the Earth his footstool--- Proverb 15:3 "The eyes of Jehovah are in every place keeping watch on the evil and the good" That is why, Jesus told us "Pray then this way; How Father who art in heaven....." Jehovah is in Heaven not everywhere. OLAADEGBU: Yet he himself said in Matthew 24: 36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, NOR THE SON, but the Father ONLY" You see he doesn't know everything, he isn't All-Knowing. OLAADEGBU: Matthew 20:23 " He said to them, You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left hand IS NOT MINE TO GRANT/GIVE but it has been prepared by my Father" Jesus depended on "His Father- Jehovah" for everything. His anionting, promise of a Kingdom, ressurection, crown/throne as King etc even his Power----Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus said to them, All Authority in heaven and on earth HAS BEEN 'GIVEN' TO ME". By who, you may ask. How can only receive power from someone and still call himself all-powerful. The Son can not do anything on his own. His like the Father's puppet ---John 14:10 OLAADEGBU: Jesus "receives" a Kingdom from his Father how can that make him Sovereign? 1 corinthians 15: 27,28 " For God (Jehovah) has put all things in subjection under his (Jesus) feet. But when it says, 'All things are put in subjection under him' IT IS PLAIN THAT HE (Jehovah) IS 'EXCEPTED/EXEMPTED' who put all things under him (Jesus). When all things are subjected to him (Jesus), then 'THE SON HIMSELF' will also be in Subjection to the one (Jehovah) who put all things under him (Jesus), that God (Jehovah) may be everything to everyone" The Head of christ is God (Jehovah) everyday, all day forever and always! 1 corinthians 11:3 OLAADEGBU: Jesus. Was TEMPTED and he did not SIN ---Hebrews 4:15. That shows he is Very much Capable to sin. He only CHOOSE not to sin. Why would Satan tempt him if "he (Jesus) CANNOT SIN"---- it doesn't make sense, unless Satan knew there is a change that Jesus may Fail/Sin. NB: The dialogue between Jesus and Satan does not portray you claim of Jesus Almighty God whom created everything including the Angel who later became Satan himself. Would Satan "Tempt" the Almighty God, NO!!! ---James 1:13. Would Satan tempt the Almighty God with Food, throw himself down from a high building (Angels can fly, why wouldn't he) or with Powers/Kingdoms/Riches/Government ? Considering this things and calling it a temptation show how Satan views Jesus. Satan treated Jesus with lack of Fear but how did the demons treat Jesus, with fear and trembling but they did not call him "God". 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by CANTICLES: 2:32pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: The Jew worship One God - Jehovah Did Jesus contradict this ?? NO, he told the jews " If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing, It is my Father who glorifies me, the one who you say is Your God" !!! John 8:54 , Christ points it that the Father that glorifies him is the one whom the Jews regard as their God NOT som 4th century triune formular Since they are one as d trinity claim ...... What happen to the Father and the holyspirit when the Son dies for three days ?? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:08pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
RikoduoSennin: If you say that the created Jesus is a God, how then does a creature become a God? Considering the fact that to be God you have to be uncreated, eternal and omniscient. RikoduoSennin: "But unto the Son He says, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of your Kingdom" (Hebrew 1:8.) Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God by nature (John 10:30). In contrast to the eternal Son, angels are sons of God by special creations just as humans. What God begets is God what humans beget are humans and what animals beget are animals. You do not beget what you make/create with your hands. RikoduoSennin: Jesus is the God who created all things in Genesis 1:1. To be the God of all things you have to be the uncreated Creator. RikoduoSennin: What do you mean when you say Christ is a compound Being? RikoduoSennin: Your answer to my question above will give you the answer to these questions. RikoduoSennin: Jesus as God is not capable of sinning. He gave us examples on how to overcome temptation to sin and satan. |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:10pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
CANTICLES: His body was buried in the grave but His Spirit lives on. |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by CANTICLES: 3:26pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: How does this answer my question Course Code:TRN 101 COURSE TITLE: Absurdity of Trinity 1) since they are one as d trinity claim ..... What happen to the "FATHER" and " HOLYSPIRIT" When D Son Dies For three days (matthew 12:40) ?? 2) from ur previous answer .... U create another question : Matthew 12:40 ........ Did Jesus die OR its only his flesh dat dies ?? |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by RikoduoSennin(m): 3:57pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: This place is addressing Jehovah, "The Father" as you like to call him. Two or more persons can have the same title eg (God for instance- Jehovah,Jesus., Angel, Satan and many others bear that title). But only one can be called- All-Mighty, two persons can not bear that title hence they won't be called Almighty. OLAADEGBU: No. Jesus is called "a Mighty God" ONLY, Jehovah is called both "a Mighty God" and "THE ALMIGHTY". While the Holy Spirit is called "NOTHING" of that such. Show me where it is categorically stated in the bible- not inference or deductions. OLAADEGBU: Really? You need more proof. The Apostles and Pauls view: 1) 2 Corinthians 1:3 " Blessed be "the God and Father of (?) OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST...." 2) 2 Corinthians 11:31 " The God and Father of (?) The Lord Jesus......." 3) Ephesians 1:3,17 " Blessed be the God the Father of (?) Our lord Jesus Christ....that the God of (?) Our lord Jesus christ....." 4) Phil 2:7-11 "... OBEDIENT unto death....therefore God has highly exalted him (Jesus)....every tongue confess that Jesus christ is lord to the glory of (?) God the Father" 5) Colossians 1:3 " We always rhank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus christ...." 6) 1 Timothy 1:17 " To the King of Ages, immortal (cannot die), invisible (cannot be seen), THE ONLY (?) GOD......"; 1 Timothy 2:5 " For there is one God, and there is one Mediator between God and Men, the Man Jesus christ". { How can Jesus be God Almighty and still be a mediator between himself and Man? } 7) Hebrew 1:11 " You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore (that is the reason why) God (Jehovah), YOUR GOD, has anionted you with the oil of gladness beyond YOUR COMRADES". Who are Jesus' comrades? Hebrew 5:4-10 " ...and he was heard for his GODLY FEAR ( A God who has godly fear for who ) . Although he was A SON (not THE SON) he learned OBEDIENCE ( To who?) Through what he suffered.... Hebrew 9:24 " For christ entered not into a sanctuary made with hands, a copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to APPEAR IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD ON OUR BEHALF". Did he appear before himself? Read Hebrew 10:5-9 James 1:13 " God cannot be tempted with bad things" 9) 1 Pet 1:3 " Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus christ...." 10) Rev 1:6 ; Rev 3: 2,12 " Jesus has a God" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jesus believe he has a God (The Father/Jehovah) whom he answers to --John 20:17 Do you be Jesus or you don't believe him, so you think he was lying. Jesus' disciples understood him clearly hence the many reference to Jesus having a God who is head over him ( 1cor 11:3) and gives him revelations (Rev 1:1). NB: I still have more proofs from scriptures different from these oh. I have to attend my christian meetings now, later! 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by dolphinheart(m): 5:28pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: The questions has been asked long time ago, the reason I asked the question was because I noticed that people who belief in trinity have different explanations or understanding on what trinity really is , and thus before I discuss what trinity is and if its bliblical or not , I try to understand from trinitarians there personal understanding of trinity. You took quite long in replying and thus we had moved on in the discussion , hence the questions are no longer relevant, talk less of the answer. One thing I noticed from one of ur last post is the statement that " jesus is yaweh " . This statement does not go along with the belief of syncan(who also belief in trinity) which is " jesus is not yaweh" . With this two different belief in trinity, it makes it hard for one to understand trinity. Hence the need for inviting syncan to comment on your thread so that everyone can come to a full understanding of what trinity Is . So far syncan has not commented , hope he is not playing the dissapear/ reappear trick u re employing . But if syncan does not appear, oladeegbu, do u agree or dissagree with syncan beliefs that jesus is not yaweh ? If you answer to this is yes, then you will have to repost ur belief in trinity to comform. To the fact that that jesus is not yahweh. If the answer is no,then I can put syncan beliefs aside and discuss with you on ur own belief |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:51pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
CANTICLES: Let me give you a scenario where the the three distinct Personalities were in action: "And Jesus, when he was baptised, went up straightway out of the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" (Matthew 3:16-17). From the passage above, can you identify the different Personalities? If you can discern well you will discover that the Father testified of the Son while the Holy Spirit testified through the dove and all 3 Persons of the Trinity were present on this occasion. CANTICLES: It depends on what you understand by the word death. Death can be spiritual or physical, which one are you on about? |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:16pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
RikoduoSennin: Really? Are you really saying that two or more persons can share the title Jehovah, even satan? Have you got any biblical reference to buttress your point? Let me ask you again. Who was Mary referring to when she said the following: "For he that is mighty has done to me great things; and holy is his name" (Luke 1:49). RikoduoSennin: So you have changed your tune now to say Jehovah is called "a Mighty God" and "THE ALMIGHTY"? You are surely making it up as we go along. No problem. But remember that you have claimed that satan, angels and many others bear the title "Jehovah" are you not tying yourself up in knots? RikoduoSennin: I am not denying that the Father is God. You are the one denying both the Father and the Son by saying anyone can bear the title "Jehovah" "Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: (but) he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also" (1 John 2:23). |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:25pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
dolphinheart: What are you on about? You asked me to give you a Scripture where Jesus is said to be the Almighty God which I duly supplied, instead of you to acknowledge it you are going on about someone else's post. If you want to know what I believe about Jesus then read my posts on the said subject I believe that will suffice. I reiterate my point again: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Revelation 1:8.) Jesus is the Eternal One and the Omnipotent One. He is the Almighty God as He claimed in the verse above. |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by dolphinheart(m): 8:47pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Sir , pls dnt be angry , I ask questions so that I can have a better understanding of ur belief. I refer to someone else post because what he said about trinity is different from what you are saying about trinity. So if I or anyone is to belief in trinity, we have to know which of the statements on trinity is true, is it your or his?. Hence, the effort in trying to bring him into the topic to state his own side. Now to the issue on the question I asked . I asked : 1)what is a God. (what do u understand by the term God) 2) what do you understand by the term Christ) 3) can you qoute and explain to us proverbs 8: 20 to 31 You answered: Questions, questions and more questions. When will you come to the knowledge of the truth? God is the uncreated infinite Creator of all things. Let me start you off on Isaiah 43:10 "You are my witnesses, says the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour " (Isaiah 43:10-11). How does a creature become a God? Please educate us My comment : Sir, on question (1) above, I asked what a God is , as both secular and biblical sources have made mention of many Gods, so that y I asked the question "what is a god" ? Y are they called Gods. By ur answer u can see you have not answered question (1). You have not answered question (2 ) You have not answered question (3) also. Sorry pls, there is a 4th question (4) is jesus the father? What I mean is that the person called the father, is he also the person called the son? When you answer this questions , I will have a better understanding of ur view of trinity. Then I can be able to comment on your posts |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by CANTICLES: 10:25pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: I Know u will twist things again ...... Rev 1:8 Refers to the father, Jehovah , Jesus cannot and never be called Almighty because he "has a God" " I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to MY GOD and YOUR GOD" !!! Jesus has a God whom is also our God - Joh 20:17 !! |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by CANTICLES: 10:49pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Haba ! Calm down ..... Am not askin for a baptism scenario , here is d question 1) Since they are one as trinity claim ........ what happen to the "Father" and the holyspirit when the son DIED for three days ?? C'mon 2) Jesus Death on torture stake ! Wake up...... Did Jesus Die OR its only his flesh that dies ?? |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Nobody: 11:51pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Nobody: 12:34am On Dec 04, 2014 |
RikoduoSennin: i won't say God sent us the Holy Spirit, He was a promise to us Acts 1:4 ok then, blaspheme Them na but let me warn you Jesus might tolerate it since no be now e start but i have not heard anyone blaspheming the Holy Spirit sha note even the devil Jesus! Just look at your post, cant you see its indirectly saying that the Trinity is a farce? Look at it well na? The whole of John 1:1-18 is talking about Jesus take a look at John 1:1 'In the beginning was the Word(Jesus), and the Word(Jesus) was with God, and the Word(Jesus) was God.'!!!!!! You are asking me for biblical references shey, this is one and it clearly and boldly reveals that Jesus has been there from time immemorial, He has been with God and He is God if the mystery is too big for you to understand; dont try to solve it man see let me tell you it is only God that satan respects and obeys to every dot, tittle, comma, e.t.c no other being not even angel Michael or the 24 Elders! So for you to be saying that Jesus is not God but every knee bows at the mention of His name-----(you dont need reference for this or do you?)------are you not trying to put yourself in a terrible and disastrous illusion? |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Nobody: 12:52am On Dec 04, 2014 |
CANTICLES: 1. You know in christianity, we say the person has slept not died that aside lets just say that when Jesus died, the Father was in heaven watching an infinite-dimensional real time thriller of Jesus in hell disgracing satan, breaking protocols and setting the captives free with the Power of the Holy Spirit. Also have in mind that God/Trinity is omnipresent, so you can say at that moment the Trio were on the Throne and at the same time in Hell 2. Lets just say Jesus was freed from the confinement of His physical body so He can enter hell |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Nobody: 1:38am On Dec 04, 2014 |
dolphinheart: maybe i did not explain this issues well so i would like you and anyone who needs clarificatio to go here => www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/library.sr/ct/hwa/k/745/mystery-melchizedek-solved.htm and i know questions may arise but they are welcomed [b]Sir, if jesus was always talking to unbelievers, then I guess he was talking to unbelievers when he said he was going to prepare a place for them in haven right? [/quote] yes na or let me say mainly to unbelievers and it will serve as an encouragement to the believers [b]Sir, on the issue of soul, can I ask you 3 questions 1. What is the soul. 2. When god created Adam, where was it stated that God gave him a soul. 3. Can the soul be touched . Pls answer with bible references. [/quote] 1. When someone dies it means the spirit has left his body, that spirit is the breath of life( life of God). So when someone dies, the spirit goes back to God because it came from thence, the body decays, what will face judgement, go to heaven or hell is the soul. It might be a lil'bit confusing the way i put it 2. I don't know of any biblical reference 3. It cannot be touched |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:50am On Dec 04, 2014 |
dolphinheart: Read up on the link I suggested in the OP for answers to your questions. |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:54am On Dec 04, 2014 |
CANTICLES: Who is, who was and who is to come? Are we expecting the second coming of the Father or the Son? |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:59am On Dec 04, 2014 |
CANTICLES: I do not answer foolish questions. "But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes" (2 Tim 2:23) |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 6:16am On Dec 04, 2014 |
vest: Lol, no wahala Vest, I will. Truth is that some of the words were derived from greek and their meanings are in line with what they mean in greek, using synonyms often alter the meanings sometimes, but it will be my thread, so I will attend to clarifications there. I pray for time. |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by vest(m): 6:36am On Dec 04, 2014 |
Syncan:amen |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 6:41am On Dec 04, 2014 |
dolphinheart: 2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. You need first to learn the true meanings of the words you use. check out the questions of the devil when tempting Jesus and find out if they are scriptural? It is how and why (context) it is used that makes it a problem. You have turned a blind eye to the fact that you are saying that a god and not God created heaven and earth. Well done. |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 6:46am On Dec 04, 2014 |
dolphinheart: Yahweh is the name of God. The father used it, the son also used it. The father is God, the son is God. The son is not the father. They are one in the Godhead. Yet in each is the fullness of the Godhead. |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 6:58am On Dec 04, 2014 |
dolphinheart: Yes Jesus is Yahweh. I am sure I have said that before here. You may ask your other brothers in"God created the world through a god". They could show you my posts, since you've not been reading. |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by RikoduoSennin(m): 7:00am On Dec 04, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Do get carried away to quickly. I did not what you think I say @ bolded. Ps. Jehovah is not a Title, its a personal name belonging to only the Father. I said "God" is a title shared by many persons eg Satan, Angels, Jesus and Jehovah etc The difference is what preceeds the word "God" or qualifies it eg Mighty God or Almighty. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- There really is no helping you, Even with enough scriptural evidence THAT JESUS HAS A GOD you still won't see it, its as if you mind just shut off from seeing how this information changes all you beliefs. Imagine your so called Almighty God Jesus haves both A Father and A Mother, Slapped, beaten, Killed like a bad criminal (Spartacus). Even with all his supposed wisdom could not figure out a way to Save mankind without him experiencing all this things. Who even told you that it was Jesus' will to die a bad death or did you not read how he prayed to My God till his sweat was like a flowing blood just so that he won't experience such, at the end, my God's Will prevail over yours. 1 Like |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Syncan(m): 7:05am On Dec 04, 2014 |
dolphinheart: Please quote the post where I said Jesus is not Yahweh. If you cannot, will it be true to say that falsehood is your greatest undoing? If you had been reading, you would have seen where I said I no longer have much time on my hands for now. If you saw it, why have you been making it look like I ran away, behind me? |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by misreal(m): 7:57am On Dec 04, 2014 |
[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=28294691] Jesus Truly Is God There are numerous evidences for the absolute deity of Jesus Christ in the Bible. The following is a summary of the more important evidences. Jesus Has the Names of God Jesus Christ possesses divine names—names that can only be used of God. For example: Jesus is Yahweh. Yahweh is a very common Hebrew name for God in the Old Testament, occurring over 5,300 times. It is translated Lord (all capitals) in many English translations of the Bible. We first learn of this name in Exodus 3, where Moses asked God by what name He should be called. God replied to him, “I AM WHO I AM. . . .Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you’ ” (verse 14). Yahweh is basically a shortened form of “I AM WHO I AM” (verse 15). The name conveys the idea of eternal self-existence. Yahweh never came into being at a point in time for He has always existed. Jesus implicitly ascribed this divine name to himself during a confrontation He had with a group of hostile Jews. He said, “I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). Jesus deliberately contrasted the created origin of Abraham—whom the Jews venerated—with His own eternal, uncreated nature as God. Jesus is Kurios. The New Testament Greek equivalent of the Old Testament Hebrew name Yahweh is Kurios. Used of God, Kurios carries the idea of a sovereign being who exercises absolute authority. The word is translated Lord in English translations of the Bible. THE AFFIRMATION THAT “JESUS IS LORD” (KURIOS) IN THE NEW TESTAMENT CONSTITUTES A CLEAR AFFIRMATION THAT JESUS IS YAHWEH. To an early Christian accustomed to reading the Old Testament, the word Lord, when used of Jesus, would point to His identification with the God of the Old Testament (Yahweh). Hence, the affirmation that “Jesus is Lord” (Kurios) in the New Testament constitutes a clear affirmation that Jesus is Yahweh, as is the case in passages like Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 12:3, and Philippians 2:5–11. Jesus is Elohim. Elohim is a Hebrew name that is used of God 2,570 times in the Old Testament. The name literally means “strong one,” and its plural ending (im in Hebrew) indicates fullness of power. Elohim is portrayed in the Old Testament as the powerful and sovereign governor of the universe, ruling over the affairs of humankind. Jesus is recognized as both Yahweh and Elohim in the prophecy in Isaiah 40:3: “Prepare the way of the Lord [Yahweh]; make straight in the desert a highway for our God [Elohim].” This verse was written in reference to John the Baptist preparing for the coming of Christ (as confirmed in John 1:23) and represents one of the strongest affirmations of Christ’s deity in the Old Testament. In Isaiah 9:6, we likewise read a prophecy of Christ with a singular variant (El) of Elohim: “And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God [El], Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Jesus is Theos. The New Testament Greek word for God, Theos, is the corresponding parallel to the Old Testament Hebrew term Elohim. A well-known example of Christ being addressed as God (Theos) is found in the story of “doubting Thomas” in John 20. In this passage, Thomas witnesses the resurrected Christ and worshipfully responds: “My Lord and my God [Theos]” (John 20:28). Jesus is called Theos throughout the rest of the New Testament. For example, when a jailer asked Paul and Silas how to be saved, they responded: “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household” (Acts 16:31). After the jailer believed and became saved, he “rejoiced, having believed in God [Theos] with all his household” (verse 34). Believing in Christ and believing in God are seen as identical acts. https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/jesus-is-god/is-jesus-god/[/quote Jesus is "LORD".not GOD.. |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by Nobody: 8:09am On Dec 04, 2014 |
RikoduoSennin: what you're trying to say in the first half of your post is that God/Trinity is not OMNIPRESENT!!! (2chronicles 2:6, 2chronicles6:18,etc) and God is not ALL-SUFFICIENT (thereby denying Him of His name, 'EL SHADDAI' na wa ooooo @2nd half i knew it would come to this, i was just citing a reference of how a human is made up of three 'forms' the same way as the Trinity not implying that man operates the wasy the Trinity does! |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by CANTICLES: 8:37am On Dec 04, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Listen! " command certain ones not to teach different doctrine ..... Which end up in nothing but furnish questions for reasearch" 1tim 1:4 An example of those questions that arise is d one I gave you !!! But you can't answer beacause the whole doctrine is FALSE !! |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by RikoduoSennin(m): 10:35am On Dec 04, 2014 |
TheTerrible: Stop clinging to John 1:1, I have also showed you Hosea 12:3,4 and other scriptures that shows that Angels are God too. Mystery? That's the problem, you don't understand, same with Evolutionist- they don't fully understand what they are saying/believe. I understand what I believe, I follow the evidence. Jesus is a mighty God. Jesus has a God above him. The God who heads over Jesus is Jehovah. Jehovah answers to no one, he is not sent by anyone, he does not pray to anyone, he can not die, he doesn't have Father, Mother, Sisters nor brothers but only a beloved son and other Sons (angels/humans). He also is the source. Counter any of the above with scriptures not making you assertion of some passages in the bible. He who has hear, let them hear. |
Re: Is Jesus Really God? by RikoduoSennin(m): 10:46am On Dec 04, 2014 |
TheTerrible: Jehovah is not Omnipresent. Matthew 6:9 "You must pray this way, Our Father who art in (?) HEAVEN". John 20:17 " I have not yet ASCENDED to My Father...." Jehovah has never left Heaven because Heaven is his throne and earth his footstool. Gen 11:6 "And the Lord said.....go to, LET US GO DOWN and there confound their language...." Why would he come down if he was Everwhere? Why would Jesus need to descend or ascend if he was everywhere? |
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