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Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:50pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
"Should Catholic tradition have equal or greater authority than the Bible?" Answer: Should church traditions be accepted as equally authoritative as Scripture? Or, should church traditions be followed only if they are in full agreement with Scripture? The answer to these questions plays a large role in determining what you believe and how you live as a Christian. It is our contention that Scripture alone is the only authoritative and infallible source for Christian doctrine and practice. Traditions are only valid if they are built on the firm foundation of Scripture and in full agreement with the entirety of Scripture. The following are seven biblical reasons supporting the teaching that the Bible should be accepted as the authority for faith and practice: 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:43pm On Dec 16, 2014 |
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Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:05pm On Dec 18, 2014 |
Where are the Roman Catholics to answer this question? |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by italo: 11:13pm On Dec 18, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: The Bible is a product of Catholic tradition. It was compiled by the Catholic Church in 382 at the Synod of Rome, under Pope Damasus. That answers your question. 2 Likes |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by btoks: 2:29am On Dec 19, 2014 |
To illustrate, you snatch the bible from it's sacred traditional context and you end up with x thousand opposing doctrines. One example, @olaadegbu believes that drinking alcohol is sinful while his font of knowledge - gotquestions.org states the exact opposite with both using sola scriptura. Who is right in this case? Bigger examples are opposing doctrines on the Trinity,holy eucharist, sabbath,Tithes,infant baptism, female clergy etc. How does one know the correct doctrine/interpretation without recourse to the sacred traditional context. Back to your question,sacred tradition and scriptures (both word of God)are equally valid as the source of authority plus a third source,the teaching authority of the church.None of these are contradictory. 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by italo: 6:56am On Dec 19, 2014 |
Olaadegbu's gotquestions.org says the founder of the Catholic Church is Emperor Constantine inthe fourth century, while he also believes another website that says the founder is Simon Magusin the first century. One has to be an empty head to believe those too concurrently. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by adsonstone: 1:57pm On Dec 19, 2014 |
^^^ Meaning?? |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by babestell(f): 2:37pm On Dec 19, 2014 |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by adsonstone: 2:54pm On Dec 19, 2014 |
babestell: OLAADEGBU did not indicate that he believes both concurrently, he has only posted an article from the site which he (may) believe/s is true. |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 12:39pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
adsonstone: You might need to familiarise yourself with Ola a bit more. |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:52pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
italo: If you had taken the time to read the OP you will not be repeating the same old dogma that has been refuted time and again. The fact that I recognise the excerpt below that refutes your point does not make me to be the writer of the article, does it? The Roman Catholic Church argues that Scripture was given to men by the Church and therefore the Church has equal or greater authority to it. However, even among the Roman Catholic Church’s writings (from the First Vatican Council), you will find the acknowledgment that the Church councils that determined which books were to be considered the Word of God did nothing but recognize what the Holy Spirit had already made evident. That is, the Church did not “give” Scriptures to men, but simply “recognized” what God, through the Holy Spirit, had already given. As A. A. Hodge states, when a peasant recognizes a prince and is able to call him by name, it does not give him the right to rule over the kingdom. In like fashion, a church council recognizing which books were God-breathed and possessed the traits of a God-inspired book, does not give the church council equal authority with those books. 1 Like |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:59pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
btoks: That should tell you that I don't swallow everything the said site posts hook, line and sinker as you do to your church traditions. Whenever any article or tradition departs from the God breathed word of God I do not follow suit but stay with the Scriptures that is able to make one wise unto salvation. btoks: When you allow the author of the Holy Scriptures to awaken your spirit man you will know the truth and the truth will set you free and this can only happen when you accept Jesus and not "Simon" as your personal Lord and Saviour. 1 Like |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:04pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
italo: That show that the site I post just as your church traditons are not infallible. The Scriptures says that we should study to make ourselves approved men of God rightly dividing the word of truth. My investigations, using your so called traditions led me to the overwhelming conclusion that Peter was not your first pope but Simon Magus. The earlier you realise this the better because Christ was not the Saviour of Magus but another "Christ". http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0047/0047_01.asp 1 Like
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Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by 5solas(m): 10:23pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
@Olaadegbu Great post, as ever. I pray the eyes of those who just can't see the sufficiency of the scriptures (in all matters of faith) will be opened by this post, in Jesus' name, amen. 3 Likes |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:03am On Dec 22, 2014 |
5solas: Amen! |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:46pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
btoks: "Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself" (John 7:16-17). Search the scriptures for they speak of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Like |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by btoks: 5:29pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: Obviously, you search the scriptures as they are profitable for teaching etc. However, you understand scriptures within the tradition of the church that declared them as scriptures. I 'll like to know how the Christians from the 1st 3 centuries knew what writings were scripture and how they practiced their faith, because it's easy for you 2000 years later( after all the hardwork and persecutions) to come up with what you think is correct!!! Ironically the scriptures where declared as such because they fit with the Church's tradition. You'll not even know that the gospel of John is Scripture without the church telling you so. Simple 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:59pm On Oct 28, 2015 |
btoks: If you sincerely wanted to do the will of God you will know whether a doctrine is of God or of man. Jesus castigated the Pharisees because they had "made the commandment of God of none effect by [their] tradition. . . . teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:6, 9). "...Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition...But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:6, 9). This unfortunate practice is what you espouse as a virtue when it is really a vice in the sight of God. This is the question Jesus is asking you guys: "...Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?" (Matthew 15:3). You have ignored the clear teachings and commands of the Scripture in favour of your self preserving interpretations and traditions. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by waldigit: 5:49am On Oct 29, 2015 |
italo: I disagree with that sir. May be the catholic version of it and not the contemporary one that is acceptable by all, persecuted by many, survived and passed the test of time and commercially available to all, |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by waldigit: 6:03am On Oct 29, 2015 |
italo: Despite all these, there are some facts that can. Be denied 1Jesus Christ was not of Romans extraction 2 Origin of the early church is well articulated in book of act of apostles in a simple explanation that shows christianity is not alienated with any nation not even jewish one. 3. The first roman that became christian was converted 4. If all of the above are TRUE, the romans and their catholic, the Britain and their Anglican etc found Christ the way I found Him, so kini big deal. Except someone is hiding behind one finger. 1 Like |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by Anas09: 8:51am On Oct 29, 2015 |
From the mist of the Christian folk, this False teacher who concieved the very idea of fusing paganism into Christianity rose, just as Christ and Apostle Paul warned. As far as am concerned, Catholicism is an independent religion outside christianity. The Catholic Religion. It took a single individual to think and Orchestrate what we now have as Catholicism. Infusion of Paganism with Christianity. All the Greek gods and goddessess, the roman deities, all replaced with biblical names. To make them seem right and christian. The rituals performed for them then, are still being performed by the Catholics today. You won't get any clue if u r just a let's go, let's go Catholic. They blatantly religate the scriptures and replaced them with the traditions of men. Let's agree with them for a moment that they are Christians, as they claim. They do not see the Roman as Christian Converts, they see them as the originators of Christianity. And I ask again, are they categority stating that Christ was a Catholic, and all the apostles, were also Catholics? Those Asian churches Christ talked abt in Reveltion, were they Catholic churches. Maybe, just like Muslims say, Adam, cain, abel, Abraham, moses, elijah all the Patriarchs were all Muslims. So also these men were Catholics. Where did they get all the relics they use in worship in their Church? because those are not in the scriptures. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by Ubenedictus(m): 9:16am On Oct 29, 2015 |
Anas09:for the sake of clarity, WHO IS THIS PERSON THAT FUSED PAGANISM WITH CHRISTIANITY? |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by Ubenedictus(m): 9:22am On Oct 29, 2015 |
Anas09 gud to see u, we didnt complete our previous discussion on d other thread. |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by Ubenedictus(m): 9:38am On Oct 29, 2015 |
Ubenedictus:i mean this thread. You asked for a link u were given a few and you disappeared from the thread. www.nairaland.com/2636337/pope-us-visit-proves-nigerian/12 |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by Anas09: 10:40am On Oct 29, 2015 |
@Ubenedictus. Mehnnnn, really good to see u. My dear, Bills to pay, we can't afford to be here all the time. Just stealing time once in a while to see what my Christian folk are up to. Sup with you man? I don't know which hall that thread is right now, and no time to swim through searching for it. |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by italo3: 10:40am On Oct 29, 2015 |
waldigit: Who compiled the bible that you use...and when was it compiled? *oya start abracadabra |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by Ubenedictus(m): 11:33am On Oct 29, 2015 |
Anas09: am great, true we cant b on nl everytime. I dropped d link in case u may have time to visit it, d thread came to mind because d discussion seems related to this one |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by Anas09: 11:36am On Oct 29, 2015 |
@ Uben. You know as well I do, that every idea is first concieved by one man, who nurtures it, then sells it to his audience. The Idea of Mary (The Queen of Heaven) being venerated beyond what she is or was, started in the mind of someone. Praying to her and the Saints, instead of Christ as the only MEDIATOR between God and Man (1Tim 2:5). I hope you know who the Queen of heaven is, according to Jeremiah 7:16-18 The idolatry in the Catholic religion started in the mind of a man, just like Charles Tass Russel, who sat down in a corner of his room and took justice away from God, thereby concieving the idea that God is too loving to purnish the wicked by letting them go to WHERE they choose to go(hell fire). It made sense to him, he then sold it to his audience, what do we ve today in that regard? JW. What about Joseph Smith? What abt Muharmad of Arabia? It starts with one man. So @ Uben, the name the man who thought it wise to replace the names or Biblical characters with the Greek and Roman deities,and then showcased them as mediators instead of Christ, may not ve been documented for the world to see, but we know it all started with a man concieving that idol ridden Religion, then selling it to the then power drunken men who wanted to rule the whole world. They were not Christians and are still not. For he that is called of God, speaketh the word of God. Not the traditions of the CHURCH. For 'even if an Angel from heaven comes and preaches a different Gospel from the one we have preached to you, let him be Accursed' 2 Likes |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by btoks: 4:41pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
Anas09:Where does your argument end though? How about those who say the story of Jesus is a myth and conceived by one man? Do you know that a lot of people do not believe Jesus is God and should not be worshipped? At what point did this idea of catholic teaching coming from one man arise? Are you aware there have been several documented church councils where teachings have been declared just like in Acts 15? - E.g. that God is a Trinity. The Catholic Church does not teach or practice Idolatry. It's even written that all generations will call Mary blessed. Do you realise she delivered and nutured our saviour? The Church declared a lot of teachings including honouring Mary and other saints; and surprise, surprise what to be considered Inspired scriptures. To understand why Mary is referred to as Queen of heaven, You need to understand that in the Davidic kingdom, the King's Mother was always the Queen(e.g. 1 Kings 14:21; 15:9-10; 22:42 etc). Jesus as King (see Luke 1:32-33)has his mother as the Queen - but you'll probably won't understand this theology as you fail to realise that the OT foreshadows the NT. and the numerous parallels. The logic of your argument is flawed. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:17pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
Anas09:i hope you know who the king of kings is according to daniel? The idolatry in the Catholic religion started in the mind of a man, just like Charles Tass Russel, who sat down in a corner of his room and took justice away from God, thereby concieving the idea that God is too loving to purnish the wicked by letting them go to WHERE they choose to go(hell fire). It made sense to him, he then sold it to his audience, what do we ve today in that regard? JW.there is sometimes a thin difference btw truth and lie, but in my short life life on earth i have learnt that the difference between the truth and a conspiracy theory is just one interesting word, "assumption". When u talked abt jw, u gave a name infact if u look well u'll find dates, dsame with smith. Where are the facts abt d CC? Stop making assumptions, that is d recipe for a conspiracy theory. There is no idolatry in d CC, the use of image in d church is a most ancient practice, i'll gladly call it an apostolic practice. All churches with apostolic origin use images and have used them from ancient time. The church doesn't do anytin "instead of" Christ, there are no 'instead of' christ mediators, there are instead christian who continue to share the office of christ. I believe every christian shares in d ministry of Jesus as a king, a priest and a prophet. A priest is a interecessor, one that stands btw God and mortals, a mediator, d thing ur pastor didnt tell u is dat d day u bcame a christian u became a co-mediator with Christ. The catholic church didnt create any instead of mediators it instead taught d gospel truth that all christian share in d mediatorship of Christ. All Christians whether in heaven or earth. We aren't talking abt church traditions we are talking abt apostolic tradition. Nothing d catholic church teach is against d bible wen intepreted correctly. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 7:37pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: You mean all these people that say they are worshipping the king of kings are actually worshipping the King of Babylon? 1 Like |
Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:46pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
5solas:the real issue is that d bible doesn't claim to be sufficient, infact it says d opposite, it say to hold on to apostolic traditions. It is also interesting dat for d 1st 300yrs of d church there was no agreed bible. The early xtians didnt practice dis teaching. 1 Like 1 Share |
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