Elizabeth had always been Protestant. Mary tried so many times to make her accept Catholicism but Elizabeth never did.

So how did she denounce or renounce a faith she never had?

Anas09:
From the mist of the Christian folk, this False teacher who concieved the very idea of fusing paganism into Christianity rose, just as Christ and Apostle Paul warned.
As far as am concerned, Catholicism is an independent religion outside christianity.

The Catholic Religion.

It took a single individual to think and Orchestrate what we now have as Catholicism. Infusion of Paganism with Christianity. All the Greek gods and goddessess, the roman deities, all replaced with biblical names. To make them seem right and christian. The rituals performed for them then, are still being performed by the Catholics today. You won't get any clue if u r just a let's go, let's go Catholic. They blatantly religate the scriptures and replaced them with the traditions of men.

Let's agree with them for a moment that they are Christians, as they claim.
They do not see the Roman as Christian Converts, they see them as the originators of Christianity.

And I ask again, are they categority stating that Christ was a Catholic, and all the apostles, were also Catholics? Those Asian churches Christ talked abt in Reveltion, were they Catholic churches.

Maybe, just like Muslims say, Adam, cain, abel, Abraham, moses, elijah all the Patriarchs were all Muslims. So also these men were Catholics.
Where did they get all the relics they use in worship in their Church? because those are not in the scriptures.

What are the wrong practices Catholics do. if I may ask?

Jolliano:
Elizabeth had always been Protestant. Mary tried so many times to make her accept Catholicism but Elizabeth never did.

So how did she denounce or renounce a faith she never had?

With Olaadegbu, anything is possible.

It's one lie after the other.

Just keep your fingers crossed and wait for the next lie.

The first hand written English language manuscripts, were produce in 1380's AD by John Wycliffe an Oxford professor, scholar, and theologian, was well known throughout Europe for his opposition to the teaching of the organized Church, which he believed to be contrary to the bible. With the help of his followers, called the lollards, and his assisted Purvey, and many other faithful scribes, Wycliffe produced dozens of English language manuscript copies of the scriptures.
They were translated out of the Latin Vulgate which was the only source text available to Wycliffe.
The Pope was so infuriated by his teachings and his translation of the bible into English, that 44 years after Wycliffe had died, the Pope ordered the bones to be dug up, crushed and scatted in the river.

Look what happened to William Tyndale, he was well known to the translation of the bible into English.
The spread of Wycliffe bible resulted in a death sentenced, directed by the Pope.

This is a pretty strange way of thanking any man, after all the work they had done, Wycliffe and other scholars had open a doorway for us all to enjoy the comforts written about Christ. This shows the Pope had other idea's to keep the doors closed, keeping the hidden secrets in Latin, so the world' will have never known the truth about Christ, who's the world's leading Church that we know that stands behind Satan's plan.

In this day and age the Catholic bible isn't used by half of the worlds Christians, Catholic's I can believe, Christians in Christ would rather read the truth, it was the Catholic Church that had written the bible in Latin-so the world couldn't understand-only the priest in those days could.

italo:


1. When you lie to the extent you begin to contradict your own lies. Look at the bold.

2. The Catholic Bible made no additions. It was compiled in 382AD. It was your Protestant Bible that had some books removed. Martin Luther removed books that refuted his heresy. He also wanted to remove James and Revelations.

3. The Catholic Bible is used by half of the world's Christians, who are Catholics. Truth is not determined by Google search results.

Mary the Mother of Christ was never a Catholic in those days.
She believed in Christ, and Christ had nothing to do with that old Roman pagan religion.
Pagan religion had murdered the disciples Peter and Paul, "why" because they believed in the truth about Christ.

This is why the protestants and the Catholic's have so many different viewpoints, I have never met a Catholic-who's just faithful to Christ-but I have met a Catholic-who's more faithful to Mary and their Church.

Jolliano:
Elizabeth had always been Protestant. Mary tried so many times to make her accept Catholicism but Elizabeth never did.

So how did she denounce or renounce a faith she never had?

brocab:
Mary the Mother of Christ was never a Catholic in those days.
She believed in Christ, and Christ had nothing to do with that old Roman pagan religion.
Pagan religion had murdered the disciples Peter and Paul, "why" because they believed in the truth about Christ.

This is why the protestants and the Catholic's have so many different viewpoints, I have never met a Catholic-who's just faithful to Christ-but I have met a Catholic-who's more faithful to Mary and their Church.

Lol. We are talking of Mary and Elizabeth (Queens of England). You are talking about Mary, Mother of God. Very Funny.

To your issue of Christ and Mary:
There is no Church or faith community that elevates Christ the way he asked us to apart from the Catholic Church. With all the grammar everyone speaks about the Catholic Church, we are the only ones who maintain the Truth about The Eucharist which Jesus said is His Body and Blood.
That is the highest worship possible. Read Revelations.

The twenty four elders bowed and worshiped the Lamb sitting on the Throne. The same Lamb of God (John 1:29) who gave us himself as our food (John 6) and The Last Supper and asked us to do it in memory of him.

But apart from us, everyone says it is merely a symbol. Or that anybody who calls himself Pastor can turn bread to Jesus' body.

When Jesus said "This is my body. This is my blood." And took only the 12 Apostles with him.

And you without understanding the Church at all says we are more loyal to Mary. Lol.

Have you ever seen a Priest say "This is the Body of Mary" or "This is the Blood of Mary"?

You define worship as singing, preaching and praying. Jesus and his apostles defined it as singing,preaching, praying and The Breaking of the Bread (Consecration and Reception of the Eucharist).

Do you not find it interesting that the two disciples on the road to Emmaus could not identify Jesus by what he was teaching them? He taught them for long and yet they didn't know it was him until He took bread and consecrated it.

The Eucharist is The Body And Blood of Christ. That is the Highest form of Worship humans can give.
We don't even give 1% of that to Mary so bros, being loyal to Mary and the Church (Which is the Mystical Body of Christ) always brings us back to Christ.

Christ is the focal point of the Catholic Faith. I'm sure you don't even know why we are called Catholic.

Google Theotokos and read about why that title was given and you will understand better.

Well we know the Catholic's don't bow down to those Royalties, and you say you worship Jesus-how do you worship Jesus?
Bowing down to Mary? Thanking her because She gave birth to Jesus, you should be thanking God-He had placed His blood line seed into Mary.
Mary isn't a God to be worship-she is just like us, flesh and blood. Luke 11:27 "As Jesus was saying these things, and a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.
Luke 11:28 Jesus then said: Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.
So you can see by this statement Mary isn't Blessed because she gave birth to Jesus, she is blessed, because she obeyed the word of God.
Allow me to look deeper into the Pope, as a man, as he is, in public speaking, this man is praised and worshipped like a God, even to the point of prayer, calling Him father Matthew 23:9 "And do not call anyone on earth Father, for you have one Father and He is in Heaven. And His not talking about your daddy.
On public television, I have seen many of you bowing down to the Pope, kissing him, touching him, like he is royalty, you have made him to be a God on Earth.
You say you worship Jesus and yet you use Mary as your go between-mediator, building up an idol and kissing the images feet-before entering the Church-most of you pray the rosemary-starting with a prayer, Mother of God. Holy Mother of God, Queen of heaven and earth. This sounds to close to Diana.
Praying with the saints, as your prayer partners, again you have put Mary above all, calling her the blessed Virgin Mary, Queen of the saints, the head of an army of prayer warriors, using her as the primary saint with whom you pray. etc,,, {Jesus didn't get a mention}
Luke 11:27-28 "And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts which nursed You !"
But He said, "More then that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.
So you can see, Mary wasn't blessed because she gave birth to Jesus, she was blessed because she obeyed the word of God.
What's the meaning of Catholic, hmm lets see? Universal.
\As we all know the Roman Catholic Church has been around for centuries-but for what reason?
At the beginning the Church started with pagan religion, bowing down to idol's such as Diana the goddess Queen of heaven, Mother of God.
I believe It was Constantine that changed the worship from Diana, given Mary heads up, idolizing both.
Before this the Roman Catholic Church had murdered the Christians-Nero murdered Peter and Paul, only because they believed in Christ and not Diana.
Constantine changed Christianity-taken Mary's name away from her true belief's. idolizing her name, making images, using that old pagan religion and praying to her as the Mother of God-Queen of heaven-same as Diana had carried.
She was a Christian-Christ like-firstly it doesn't add up-why would Mary hand herself over to pagan religion? Where Hell is standing at the door. She knew Jesus first hand, she followed Him through the rough rangers.
Your Church may have stood for centuries on-but without Christ, it stood for nothing.

Jolliano:


Lol. We are talking of Mary and Elizabeth (Queens of England). You are talking about Mary, Mother of God. Very Funny.

To your issue of Christ and Mary:
There is no Church or faith community that elevates Christ the way he asked us to apart from the Catholic Church. With all the grammar everyone speaks about the Catholic Church, we are the only ones who maintain the Truth about The Eucharist which Jesus said is His Body and Blood.
That is the highest worship possible. Read Revelations.

The twenty four elders bowed and worshiped the Lamb sitting on the Throne. The same Lamb of God (John 1:29) who gave us himself as our food (John 6) and The Last Supper and asked us to do it in memory of him.

But apart from us, everyone says it is merely a symbol. Or that anybody who calls himself Pastor can turn bread to Jesus' body.

When Jesus said "This is my body. This is my blood." And took only the 12 Apostles with him.

And you without understanding the Church at all says we are more loyal to Mary. Lol.

Have you ever seen a Priest say "This is the Body of Mary" or "This is the Blood of Mary"?

You define worship as singing, preaching and praying. Jesus and his apostles defined it as singing,preaching, praying and The Breaking of the Bread (Consecration and Reception of the Eucharist).

Do you not find it interesting that the two disciples on the road to Emmaus could not identify Jesus by what he was teaching them? He taught them for long and yet they didn't know it was him until He took bread and consecrated it.

The Eucharist is The Body And Blood of Christ. That is the Highest form of Worship humans can give.
We don't even give 1% of that to Mary so bros, being loyal to Mary and the Church (Which is the Mystical Body of Christ) always brings us back to Christ.

Christ is the focal point of the Catholic Faith. I'm sure you don't even know why we are called Catholic.

Google Theotokos and read about why that title was given and you will understand better.

It seems, many of us are confused when Mary is mentioned-over the centuries the Catholic's have been sending out a message that has reached the nations-calling Mary the Mother of Jesus a Catholic.
What I don't understand is, it was the Pharisees betraying Jesus-allowing the Romans to butcher Him.

Are you Catholic's so blind-you can't see any truth in these so called theories of yours, do you really believe Mary would turn her back on Christ, after she had witnessed the punishment the Pharisees and the Roman soldiers had done to Him.
And later they continua-led to lead an army to add to their killing spree, against any Christian, who followed after Christ.
Do you honestly believe Mary would lead a nation' or a Church-that hated her own flesh and blood {Jesus}

Of course someone has confused this idea, switching Diana's name, or Isis Queen of heaven-Mother of God, both classed as goddesses of the Ancient world-again Isis holding her baby in her arms, these are given to the believers in name' only Antichrist himself is at work with his angels-mocking Jesus once again, this time using His Mother's name as the key source to take you all to Hell.
Luke 4:8 "And Jesus answered and said unto him get behind Me Satan, for it is written, your shall worship the Lord your God' and Him only you shall serve.
Think about it, would you follow after a Church or a nation, if you had seen them butcher your love ones?
Did the Jews follow after Hitler?

"No" Like Mary the Mother of Jesus they all forgave-having the word of God planted in them, they had enough encouragement to stay well away.

PastorAIO:


If reverting back to protestantism is your understanding of publicly declaring to be wrong or evil, then only God can help your understanding of the english language.

denounce - to inform against or accuse publicly; to condemn (esp. an argument or theory); to inveigh against; to proclaim as imminent; to notify formally termination of (treaties, etc); to announce;

So what is wrong in saying Queen Elizabeth denounced the Roman Catholic faith publicly? Not only herself but on behalf of England?

PastorAIO:


Not according to international law under which they were tried.

The Nuremberg trials (German: die Nürnberger Prozesse) were a series of military tribunals, held by the Allied forces after World War II, which were most notable for the prosecution of prominent members of the political, military, and economic leadership of Nazi Germany who allegedly planned, carried out, or otherwise participated in The Holocaust and other war crimes. The trials were held in the city of Nuremberg, Germany. -Wikipedia

You just shot yourself in the foot here. If the aforementioned got prosecuted for committing war crimes shouldn't Blood Mary be prosecuted for murdering the many Protestants? The Roman Catholic Church are responsible for murdering over 50 million Christians and should be brought to justice, if not now it will be on Judgment Day.

PastorAIO:


Your lies are not the living word of God. Your audacity it so deplorable. Lying that Elizabeth denounced Catholicism is not the Living Word of God. It is a lie from your Father of lies.

It has been proven that you are the one guilty of stretching the truth. You should be very afraid that the truth will and has come back to sting you like a boomerang.

PastorAIO:


Lying that Mary murdered her own subjects is not the Living word of God.

It's one thing to be so full of mendacity, but quite another thing to equate it to God's word. You have no fear of God in you.

You have proved yourself wrong by admitting that war crimes are not legal executions in spite of your denials that Mary committed murder.

Jolliano:


Elizabeth had always been Protestant. Mary tried so many times to make her accept Catholicism but Elizabeth never did.

So how did she denounce or renounce a faith she never had?

'Bloody Mary' enforced the Roman Catholic religion in England and not adhering to it will bring adverse consequences so Elizabeth adhered to the Roman Catholic faith during this time. Click on the link and educate yourself.

http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/religion-elizabethan-england.htm

OLAADEGBU:


'Bloody Mary' enforced the Roman Catholic religion in England and not adhering to it will bring adverse consequences so Elizabeth adhered to the Roman Catholic faith during this time. Click on the link and educate yourself.

http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/religion-elizabethan-england.htm

And once again, you bring argunments from people that don't know the subject matter.

"Qoutes from your link"--
Queen Mary I (r.1553-1558), Elizabeth's sister, believed
passionately in the Catholic religion and persecuted
Protestants who were burned alive for their beliefs ( hence
her nickname Bloody Mary )

Queen Elizabeth I (r.1558-1603) succeeded her sister
Queen Mary and adhered to the Protestant religion and
restored Protestantism as the official religion. She did,
however, firmly believe that people should be allowed to
practice the Catholic religion without fear of recrimination
so long as it presented no threat to peace in the realm and
her rule over England.

Funny how I saw the term "Elizabethan Catholics". Who else outside this website has ever mentioned "Elizabethan Catholics". Because I no know which day them start to bear and that title.

The article never mentioned Elizabeth as a catholic o. Only thing I saw was the lie that Elizabeth allowed Catholicism. Elizabeth even went as far as banning The Holy Mass.

OLAADEGBU:


denounce - to inform against or accuse publicly; to condemn (esp. an argument or theory); to inveigh against; to proclaim as imminent; to notify formally termination of (treaties, etc); to announce;

So what is wrong in saying Queen Elizabeth denounced the Roman Catholic faith publicly? Not only herself but on behalf of England?

The fact that it is not true is what is wrong. I understand that you can't quite grasp the heinousness of saying something that isn't true, but remedy that you need to practise true religion. You'll soon see the difference.

OLAADEGBU:

You just shot yourself in the foot here. If the aforementioned got prosecuted for committing war crimes shouldn't Blood Mary be prosecuted for murdering the many Protestants? The Roman Catholic Church are responsible for murdering over 50 million Christians and should be brought to justice, if not now it will be on Judgment Day.

At the Nuremberg trials the Nazis got prosecuted according to the law.

If you can bring the 17th century law that says that a sovereign cannot try and execute her subjects then by all means take it to a court and prosecute. Nobody is holding you.

By the way, what do you think should be done to all your Puritans and their genocidal attack on the Native American population when they went there to freely practise their true religion?

Jolliano:


And once again, you bring argunments from people that don't know the subject matter.

"Qoutes from your link"--
Queen Mary I (r.1553-1558), Elizabeth's sister, believed
passionately in the Catholic religion and persecuted
Protestants who were burned alive for their beliefs ( hence
her nickname Bloody Mary )

Queen Elizabeth I (r.1558-1603) succeeded her sister
Queen Mary and adhered to the Protestant religion and
restored Protestantism as the official religion. She did,
however, firmly believe that people should be allowed to
practice the Catholic religion without fear of recrimination
so long as it presented no threat to peace in the realm and
her rule over England.

Funny how I saw the term "Elizabethan Catholics". Who else outside this website has ever mentioned "Elizabethan Catholics". Because I no know which day them start to bear and that title.

The article never mentioned Elizabeth as a catholic o. Only thing I saw was the lie that Elizabeth allowed Catholicism. Elizabeth even went as far as banning The Holy Mass.

Why did you omit the earlier points from the link?

• Reigning Monarchs dictated the 'favoured' religion.
• Schools taught the official religion decreed by the reigning Queen or King
• Failure to adhere to the 'favoured' religion could often lead to great danger - Imprisonment. Torture. Execution.
• Adhering to the 'wrong' religion brought risks to personal wealth, freedom and life
• Queen Mary I (r.1553-1558), Elizabeth's sister, believed passionately in the Catholic religion and persecuted Protestants who were burned alive for their beliefs ( hence her nickname Bloody Mary )

What don't you understand about the reigning Monarchs who dictated the 'favoured' religion? What happened to those who adhered to the 'wrong' religion according to the excerpts in the bullet points above? Let's see whether you can figure that out.

PastorAIO:


The fact that it is not true is what is wrong. I understand that you can't quite grasp the heinousness of saying something that isn't true, but remedy that you need to practise true religion. You'll soon see the difference.

Let's just agree to disagree on that.

PastorAIO:


At the Nuremberg trials the Nazis got prosecuted according to the law.

If you can bring the 17th century law that says that a sovereign cannot try and execute her subjects then by all means take it to a court and prosecute. Nobody is holding you.

Even if Hitler escaped prosecution during his lifetime he cannot escape the prosecution of the Judge of the whole earth. Same goes for bloody Mary.

PastorAIO:


By the way, what do you think should be done to all your Puritans and their genocidal attack on the Native American population when they went there to freely practise their true religion?

That's a subject for another thread and while you are it make sure you come up with solid evidence showing that the Puritans were involved in the so called genocide you are accusing them of.

OLAADEGBU:


Let's just agree to disagree on that.

It's not a matter of opinion for agreement or disagreement. If you cannot point to facts then your disagreement is disagreeable.

PastorAIO:


It's not a matter of opinion for agreement or disagreement. If you cannot point to facts then your disagreement is disagreeable.

Okay.

OLAADEGBU:


Why did you omit the earlier points from the link?



What don't you understand about the reigning Monarchs who dictated the 'favoured' religion? What happened to those who adhered to the 'wrong' religion according to the excerpts in the bullet points above? Let's see whether you can figure that out.

Give an example of a monarch and give us a proof of that declaration or dictation. I can't accept fact from a site that uses the non-existent term "Elizabethan Catholics".

Secondly, if you say Catholicism and Protestanism are two different religions, then you have shot yourself in the leg because you would have to admit that the Protestant religion started in the 15th/16th century and so it could not have been the religion Jesus founded. And that shuts down all your arguments.

Jolliano:


Give an example of a monarch and give us a proof of that declaration or dictation. I can't accept fact from a site that uses the non-existent term "Elizabethan Catholics".

Here is an excerpt I posted on the previous page from another site stating that Queen Elizabeth had adhered to the Catholic faith under "Bloody" Mary:

Although Elizabeth had adhered to the Catholic faith during her sister's reign, she had been raised a Protestant, and was committed to that faith.

http://www.elizabethi.org/contents/elizabethanchurch/queenandchurch.html

Jolliano:


Secondly, if you say Catholicism and Protestanism are two different religions, then you have shot yourself in the leg because you would have to admit that the Protestant religion started in the 15th/16th century and so it could not have been the religion Jesus founded. And that shuts down all your arguments.

Christianity started with Christ and His followers spread the gospel to the then known world, it not did start with the Roman Catholics as you have been made to believe.

OLAADEGBU:


Here is an excerpt I posted on the previous page from another site stating that Queen Elizabeth had adhered to the Catholic faith under "Bloody" Mary:



http://www.elizabethi.org/contents/elizabethanchurch/queenandchurch.html



Christianity started with Christ and His followers spread the gospel to the then known world, it not did start with the Roman Catholics as you have been made to believe.

WHEN DID PROTESTANTISM BEGIN?

Ubenedictus:


WHEN DID PROTESTANTISM BEGIN?

Go to this thread for answers:

https://www.nairaland.com/2767149/lamp-dark-full-documentary-untold

After the Catholic's had corrupted them-it was the Catholic Church who had changed history against 2 of Gods 10 commandments.
And besides theirs no proven evidence-that the Catholic Church is the head of all Churches, it's only he's say, your say.
It's an insult, the Catholic's are claiming it was Peter one of Jesus's disciples who led your Church.
It seems no-one had read between the lines, Peter was murdered because he refused to mix Christianity with pagan religion..
Peter didn't have enough room in his heart to store away such rubbish. Mixing the two religions together-hoping no-one would notice-and those who stood their grounds were murdered.
None what the Catholic Church has claimed it to be' does not make sense, you say Peter's your head-and yet Jesus is Peter's head-and Peter never wanted to disappoint Jesus, he obeyed the word of God, even God's 10 commandments-but yet you have denied Peter and Christ-you have changed 2 of God's 10 commandments.
Exodus 20:4 "You shall have on other God's before Me, you shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness for what is in Heaven, above or what is on the Earth beneath, or in the water under the Earth, you shall not worship them or serve them.
Exodus 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it Holy. Six days you shall labour and do all your work.
Which isn't the Sunday.
Deuteronomy 17:3 "And hath gone and served other Gods, and worshipped them, either the Sun or Moon or any of the host in heaven, which I have not commanded.
Its the Sunday worship that gives the protestants away-it's unfortunate the protestants had even followed after your crazy idea, to worship the Sun on Sunday.

Ubenedictus:
WHEN DID PROTESTANTISM BEGIN?

Brocab, you sent thw first two messages and I refused to answer you because you don't have an argument but you just want to talk all the rubbish about the Church that you can.

But it seems I will have to respond to you, not because I expect you to take correction but for the others who are reading this thread.

There's a lot of questions to ask about your religion, this is not rubbish-but I never asked you to respond with an insult. Since you have replied to my post, can you give me the answers to my question, why did the Church change the two commandments, when they knew, its against God?
I really can't expect you to answer this, but of course it seems you Catholic's think you have all the answers.
Also can you explain why the Church believe Peter is the head, the Rock, the foundation of your Church-and yet none of you seem to recognize the truth about Christ.
After you murdered Peter, {and Paul of course} you have claimed he is buried under the Vatican-If this is true-then I suppose you can claim the Vatican is built on Peter's resting place.
Matthew 16:18 "And I tell you' that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church.
This scripture must be very confusing for you to understand, it has nothing to do with Peter, matter of fact-Jesus was preferring to building His Church on solid foundation, which means, the Rock is the word of God.
1 Corinthians 3:11 "For no-one can lay any foundation, other then the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

What happen to Peter's wife-where was she buried, and where did you bury Paul?

Jolliano:
Brocab, you sent thw first two messages and I refused to answer you because you don't have an argument but you just want to talk all the rubbish about the Church that you can.

But it seems I will have to respond to you, not because I expect you to take correction but for the others who are reading this thread.

WHEN DID PROTESTANTISM BEGIN?

OLAADEGBU:


Go to this thread for answers:

https://www.nairaland.com/2767149/lamp-dark-full-documentary-untold

U CAN SAY IT HERE

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Ubenedictus:
WHEN DID PROTESTANTISM BEGIN?

Ubenedictus:


U CAN SAY IT HERE

Saying it here will divert us from the OP.

Should We Believe Scripture Above Tradition And Church Councils?

https://carm.org/should-we-believe-scripture-above-tradition-and-church-councils