greenhulk:


@ the bolded.. let me ask u one quick question

Can u compare the luxury of a Mercedes Benz A160 with that of Toyota Avalon any model? I know what's on ur mind right now, u will be like that is not a fair comparison. Same way comparing a Mercedes Benz E class with a Toyota Camry is not a fair comparison, compare it with Lexus ES then it will be fair.

greenhulk:


@ the bolded.. let me ask u one quick question

Can u compare the luxury of a Mercedes Benz A160 with that of Toyota Avalon any model? I know what's on ur mind right now, u will be like that is not a fair comparison. Same way comparing a Mercedes Benz E class with a Toyota Camry is not a fair comparison, compare it with Lexus ES then it will be fair.

nurey:


So you expect me to compare an S class or maybach to the camry abi. For your info, the C-class should be compared to the likes of the civic and corolla while the E-class competes with camry I don't want to believe the S-class is suppose to compete with Avalon it won't be really fair since the maybach has been scraped. The Germans have been offering state of the Art luxury and refinement reason for it been hard to compare it with jap Rivals, the only jap Brand I still respect till date is the INFINITI, infiniti packing mind blowing gadgets since 1000BC. Abeg make we no derail this thread I am enjoying Mr Ikennas review

lomomike:


Merc E sedan still trumps the ES in every ramification with exception of fuel MRSP, economy and reliability.

greenhulk:


Again u are wrong comparing a c class with a civic or corolla. U are seriously comparing a $40,000 plus car (c class) with a $20,000 corolla? Guy u sef try think am na. Even comparing a Camry with a c class is not very fair because the c class is a luxury car (though compact) while the Camry is not. If I am paying over $50, 000 for an E class then I expect some high degree of luxury, so I don't see why u are surprised that an E class got more gadgets than a $21,000 Toyota Camry. If I buy an iPhone, I expect it to be more premium than a techno phantom. Now the c class will buy 2 corollas, how is that fair comparison?

Now comparing an s class to an avalon? Guy I give up, u really need to know more about cars. I'm not comparing japs with Germans, as a matter of fact u can only compare two products when their price range is close. There is a price to pay for that luxury, it is very absurd comparing a car that is twice the price of the other.


And believe it or not, the Lexus brand still thrumps over the Infiniti.

greenhulk:


Glad u mentioned mrsp, economy and reliability which is where Toyota is focused on and that is where they are winning and that is why they are the biggest auto maker in the world. They don't give a sh*t about other areas. Mercedes are all about luxury. Toyota has a car for everyone from the $17,000 yaris to the $400,000 Lexus LFA. if u are not rich enough then get an alternative which is where Lexus comes in. I mean why are u driving a Lexus Rx 330 when u know a Mercedes Benz ML 320 or ML 350 is better? The answer?

MSRP
fuel economy
Reliability.

lomomike:



MRSP in Lexus ES350 is almost at par with an E350 Sedan,

Fuel economy is slightly better because its a FWD, Lower gear ratios, its lighter and its tuned for mid-speed comfort cruising. Whereas, the E sedan E350 is a tad lower in MPG because its either a RWD or an AWD, its got heavier mass, higher gear ratios, and designed for high speed long distance comforT cruising.

Reliability in ES350 is marred with tons of recalls. Airbags, Unintended acceleration, stuck pedal, stuck carpets etc.

Do I go on?


Well, let's stick to the topic...

greenhulk:


Wrong, the Lexus ES350 starts at $36,000 while the Mercedes Benz E350 starts at $55,000. That is about 52% more expensive that the Lexus. No doubt the Benz is an all round better car, as a matter of fact the Lexus ES has been one of the worst cars made by Lexus. But don't get it twisted, the current generation ES350 has been a very huge improvement from the past generation and at a competitive price, it is a win win (though I agree the Benz is still better but not by much miles as the past models). Please, try check out the current generation ES350 and tell me if it is not a beauty.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqtKF-YBTQs

Lastly, u still haven't answered my question. Why do u drive a Lexus RX330 when u know a Mercedes Benz ML320 is better

lomomike:


I got an RX because I wanted a crossover having sold off a proper SUV infiniti which I still miss and I always go to my picture archives to look at him (I call that infiniti my buddy). I disliked the shape of the ML 1st gen and the 2nd gen ML was pricey then. However, get a current gen ML and a current gen RX, ask me to choose, I'd not even think twice before getting the ML.

Ikenna351:
Quite a number of Nigerians would tell you to run away from Peugeot 607. Because that's all they know about 607 from a distance, " Run away from 607. Its very problematic and expensive to maintain". When you ask them, they would tell you they have seen many abandoned 607 at workshops, mechanics frown at the mention of 607, knew a previous owner the Lion showed pepper, et cetera, et cetera. All these about this Lion are "facts" gathered from a distance. At the beginning, I was here too.

But when I began study on Peugeot's electrical & mechanical systems, with regard to diagnosis and repairs, I realised how wrong I was about the Lion, 607.

Peugeot 607, with the current knowledge I have on that Lions systems, is one of the most Luxurious, reliable and durable Lion Peugeot ever produced. How?

To be continued....


Ikenna

redcliff:


Durable, yes! but luxurious, i strongly doubt that. I was looking for a car to buy to ship to nigeria last month/begining of this month and i almost went for the 607, but the bad thing was that i would not be available most of the time and the car being in the hands of my folks, i am not so sure they can go the extent i can to maintain a car so i totally ignored it. Although i like the exterior which is classy and still modern after 14years, I find the interior very boring. I changed my mind and went for a 2002 Audi a4 for the single fact that I do not like to follow the bandwagon and its nice looking in my eyes.

Ikenna351:


Attached picture is Z8 interior, not even Z9. So this interior designed in 1999 looks boring to you? It doesn't look boring to me. In fact, I love it!

Ikenna

Bossforeva:
Phase 1 2.2L will be O.k just hope to get it after i must have concluded my biz stuff. I think i'll need it's fuel economy, as it will be a regular ride.

Thanks a lot Ikenna.

icemann:
You guys just went for Peugeot to Toyota.
I predict this would turn into Japanese cars vs German cars soon. Till then let me eat my popcorn and watch.

greenhulk:

Glad u mentioned mrsp, economy and reliability which is where Toyota is focused on and that is where they are winning and that is why they are the biggest auto maker in the world. They don't give a sh*t about other areas. Mercedes are all about luxury. Toyota has a car for everyone from the $17,000 yaris to the $400,000 Lexus LFA. if u are not rich enough then get an alternative which is where Lexus comes in. I mean why are u driving a Lexus Rx 330 when u know a Mercedes Benz ML 320 or ML 350 is better? The answer?
MSRP
fuel economy
Reliability.

lomomike:

Merc E sedan still trumps the ES in every ramification with exception of fuel MRSP, economy and reliability.

lomomike:

MRSP in Lexus ES350 is almost at par with an E350 Sedan,
Fuel economy is slightly better because its a FWD, Lower gear ratios, its lighter and its tuned for mid-speed comfort cruising. Whereas, the E sedan E350 is a tad lower in MPG because its either a RWD or an AWD, its got heavier mass, higher gear ratios, and designed for high speed long distance comforT cruising.
Reliability in ES350 is marred with tons of recalls. Airbags, Unintended acceleration, stuck pedal, stuck carpets etc.
Do I go on?
Well, let's stick to the topic...

nurey:

So you expect me to compare an S class or maybach to the camry abi. For your info, the C-class should be compared to the likes of the civic and corolla while the E-class competes with camry I don't want to believe the S-class is suppose to compete with Avalon it won't be really fair since the maybach has been scraped. The Germans have been offering state of the Art luxury and refinement reason for it been hard to compare it with jap Rivals, the only jap Brand I still respect till date is the INFINITI, infiniti packing mind blowing gadgets since 1000BC. Abeg make we no derail this thread I am enjoying Mr Ikennas review

icemann:
Look i just opened my Babalawo services. Please if you need predictions send me a mail.

Lagusta:


The fact that u called Peugeot a German car has made u a fake babalawo.....

peterjero:

Inasmuch I already know this thread is headed for derail, I want to add this Toyota is the largest car maker in the world owing to what? Answer the question without bias

peterjero:

Inasmuch I already know this thread is headed for derail, I want to add this Toyota is the largest car maker in the world owing to what? Answer the question without bias

greenhulk:


@ the bolded.. let me ask u one quick question

Can u compare the luxury of a Mercedes Benz A160 with that of Toyota Avalon any model? I know what's on ur mind right now, u will be like that is not a fair comparison. Same way comparing a Mercedes Benz E class with a Toyota Camry is not a fair comparison, compare it with Lexus ES then it will be fair.

greenhulk:


Again u are wrong comparing a c class with a civic or corolla. U are seriously comparing a $40,000 plus car (c class) with a $20,000 corolla? Guy u sef try think am na. Even comparing a Camry with a c class is not very fair because the c class is a luxury car (though compact) while the Camry is not. If I am paying over $50, 000 for an E class then I expect some high degree of luxury, so I don't see why u are surprised that an E class got more gadgets than a $21,000 Toyota Camry. If I buy an iPhone, I expect it to be more premium than a techno phantom. Now the c class will buy 2 corollas, how is that fair comparison?

Now comparing an s class to an avalon? Guy I give up, u really need to know more about cars. I'm not comparing japs with Germans, as a matter of fact u can only compare two products when their price range is close. There is a price to pay for that luxury, it is very absurd comparing a car that is twice the price of the other.

And believe it or not, the Lexus brand still thrumps over the Infiniti.

FlyboyZee:

Guy, you are dead wrong on arrival. Cars are not compared by price. Please, try and watch Top Gear or Fifth Gear. Pick up a Whatcar mag, then come right back, apologize and then correct your impressions. Cars are usually classified by their target market segment and not price. İf Toyota decides to tone down or strip down their cars doing away with luxury in order to cut price and drive sales, while others keep improving on the luxury of their cars to stand out in their class. Please, whose business is it.

As far as motoring goes...
The C-Class which is a rebadged Benz 190E is in the same class as the BMW 3 series, Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla.

The E-Class is in the same class as the BMW 5 series, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Lexus ES, etc.

FlyboyZee:

But the Camry and E-Class are in the same class na.

FlyboyZee:

That is about to change in a few years time. The Chinese are not sleeping you know?

youngice:
volks wagen

peterjero:

If you go market to shop for a car to use for the next 5 years would you choose a volkswagen? And if yes, would you be able to mange it for 5yrs let's be realistic and not follow performance rather reliability. I would buy a benz no doubt but my performance car would still be my tuned 1996 toyota supra anytime anyday

youngice:
Volkswagen owns Audi, Bugatti, Lamborghini etc so